Comments on: Holden set for massive boost to China engine exports

By: Golfschwein

Golfschwein — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:15:25 +0000

All of you conspiracy theorists and armchair doomsayers, just take a look at yourselves.

Did you read the story? It says Holden has secured an engine export deal to China! YES, AN EXPORT DEAL TO CHINA!!!

YAYYYYYYYY! Well done, Holden.

By: jon

jon — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:58:58 +0000

Well I believe its only a matter of time that the Chinese will be building these motors, the joint ventures with Holden and Mitsubishi are just a stop gap measure to getting their cars out in the motoring world. It makes a great deal of sense to do this for the short term but if its like anything the Chinese do, they will be reproducing these motors shortly.Like others have stated it will happen, as their labour is cheaper and it won`t take long for the new GM to see that. The worrying thing I guess for Holden is, when will they be building the Cruz and the Commodore.

By: DesignEng©™

DesignEng©™ — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:40:54 +0000

Frugal,
it’s all about the words and quotes in the right context, it’s not your fault. But we can’t point those things out.

By: FrugalOne

FrugalOne — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:32:21 +0000

DesignEng©™^^^^
***Senator Carr told journalists; “If we take for instance the case of General Motors’ plant in Fishermans Bend, which has drawn some attention in recent times, we are looking at an expansion from 5000 engines a year up to 20,000 engines a year, and staying at about 20,000 a year.***

I based my comment on what Carr stated above, based on that my comment is 100% correct, he needed to comment and state the correct annual production.

Like i said the figures he quoted did not make sense, they cannot run that plant making 20 engines a day for export, already picked that, besides i have seen the huge amount of 40′ containers they have ready for stuffing, not going to have that quantity for 20 engines a day are they?

Cheers

F-0

By: DesignEng©™

DesignEng©™ — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:18:38 +0000

Some people have made some incorrect assumptions regarding the engine production numbers.
The numbers mentioned relate to China exports only, jumping from 5000 to 20,000 pa.

The Port Melbourne engine plant supplies engines to many other export destinations. Production is in the order of 130,000 – 150,000 pa.

Frugal do the maths again using some real numbers. You know what they say b/s in, b/s out.

By: Will

Will — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 02:59:11 +0000

Rule 101: Never trust a politician.
Rule 102: Don’t count you chookens…

By: JEKYL & HYDE

JEKYL & HYDE — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:18:40 +0000

salesman,

if holden end up “made in china”,maybe they will start throwing in some free wardrobe,or maybe a set of callaway/taylor-made’s in the boot?(after all,everything else is made there)…

direct injection,

owned by the u.s.govt,or broke,done,gone…i know what everyone else thinks.

By: FrugalOne

FrugalOne — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:32:17 +0000

The Salesman^^^

lol, nice work!

Have you got that corner-stores pretty girls phone number?, she sounds cute as a button! :-)

Cheers

F-0

By: The Salesman.

The Salesman. — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:55:10 +0000

Think of Australian car manufactures as the old corner deli we all used to have at the end of the street. The girl behind the counter always had a smile for you and you never questioned the prices of their products. Enter the overseas imports or the Super Market if you will. With sharp pricing, easy parking and wider choices even the girl behind the counter of the now shut down deli shops there. China is the worlds next big super market. Holden is a deli with just a few loyal customers. And now the Deli is starting to turn to the supermarket for help. How much time do you think our little Deli has left?
Anti Spam word “Mitsubishi” Ironic, eh

By: Frontman

Frontman — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:51:49 +0000

Shak, don’t forget that they have the Shanghai version of the Insignia and the Astra Sedans that they sell as Buicks. THere are a whole range of products being pumped out of Asian factories that thye have at their disposals and those factories are more modern and more flexible than Elizabeth.
Whilst I know wheelnut will strenuously deny the possibility (I’d probably do the same for Ford), but it piurely a case of business economy and if GM are to avoid repeating their past mistakes all factories will be under the pump to make money or move on.

By: Shak

Shak — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:36:13 +0000

Frontman you have a very good point and you worry me, because if Holden production of their small car is to costly then they will be shut down and just use the Daewoo manufactured version.

By: Shak

Shak — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:31:49 +0000

DI have you heard any of the recent news reports. GM Holden is owned by GM but is independently operated and it alone manages the Asia-Pacific GM region. Really go and read other news sites and maybe the newspaper!

By: Frontman

Frontman — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:35:17 +0000

Roddy, whilst on the Australian scale of thing 20,000 sounds great, when you are looking at Factories turning out 300,000 cars/annum then you can see why there is every chance of them being sorced from elswhere.
My fear is that once GM global has repayed the Loan from the Aust government (predominately form overseas production) they WILL close the Australian opperation. Sure they are giving Aust the small car line but I have the fear that, because this vehicle is being made in several plants, the Aust one is a side line for the short term.
The difference I see is that, unlike Focus production (which becomes for the whole Asia Pacific rim replacing SA) the Small car line isn’t replacing another factory, simply adding to an already cracked supply & demand chain.

By: The Salesman.

The Salesman. — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:24:40 +0000

F – O

My concern exactly. Next step might involve sending the engines back to Australia, under the hood of a Commodore.

By: Roddy

Roddy — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:00:11 +0000

Holden will be increasing production to 20000 per year, not 5000…

By: FrugalOne

FrugalOne — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:38:41 +0000

They NEED exports badly, the question is China hates imports, what do we have to do for them in return?They are going to want us to take GreatWall’s/Geely’s etc of some type powered by said engine.

China is going to be the real winner out of this [as always]

Cheers

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By: Direct Injection

Direct Injection — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:35:34 +0000

DesignEng…..how the hell could they pay off about $100 billion in 5 years? Imagine having that hangin over your head!! I cant see how they can make new models and pay that much money back at the same time…….somethings gotta give…….

Charles….I agree, the block and heads are made in Mexico so if they can assemble the thing elsewhere cheaper thay will do it, and soon.

By: charles

charles — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:12:19 +0000

I wouldn`t be getting to carried away, it won`t be long and the engines will be built in China, the parts will come from their and the labour is cheaper. It won`t take long for them to do what Holden is doing.

By: Falcodore

Falcodore — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:19:11 +0000

@ Andrew M,
I was reading on GoAuto a while back that whoever’s buying it, they’re not using it for automotive applications.

By: Andrew M

Andrew M — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:09:21 +0000

Falcadore,
I was wandering the same thing.
So far they havent even disclosed who is actually chasing the aussie I6’s.

My bet is it will come about at the same time Holdens program swings into action, because they always seem to mirror each other.
First both announce to put diesels into their large cars in 2010
Then both annunce small cars made in OZ in 2010

Now its they will both start exporting respectable volumes of engines