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Bob Lutz: Pontiac G8 “too good to waste”

By George Skentzos |

The tug of war ensuing over the fate of the Australian-developed Pontiac G8 sedan following the demise of the Pontiac brand continues with a new report suggesting it will live on under the Chevrolet brand.

Having postponed his retirement to oversee the new GM’s brands, marketing, advertising and communications, Bob Lutz has supported the idea of a brand swap during an interview with Automobile Magazine.

Current GM CEO, Fritz Henderson, has been rather blunt in regards to the fate of the flagship Pontiac G8 GXP sedan with the idea of rebadging met with a resounding “no” during a recent webchat.

This may still be the case, with GM cautious about cannibalising sales from its high-performance Chevrolet line-up by introducing an even lower price point into the LS3 V8 range.

Although the standard G8 sedan’s future is now looking more promising with Bob Lutz having only positive comments for the Australian car.

“The last time we looked at [the G8], we decided that we would continue to import it as a Chevrolet,” Mr Lutz said. “It is kind of too good to waste.”

Citing export agreements with Australia and the fact that the local Holden Commodore is already sold in other parts of the world as a Chevrolet, Mr Lutz has assured fans that GM would not let the car perish in the US.

The Pontiac G8 is scheduled to end production later this year regardless, a move that could coincide with the introduction of the next generation Holden Commodore here in Australia, meaning US buyers could see a very different G8 if it arrives in the US as the Chevrolet Caprice.

Source: Automobile Magazine


 
  • Wheelnut®™

    It also leads to the possibility of the VE Commodore – Chevy Lumina replacing the tired old Ford Crown Victoria as patrol Cars for a number of Police Departments across the USA.

  • jason the american

    Well a lot of departments have already switched to the Dodge Charger. GM and Ford has had a bigger grip on the fleet market so I figure GM could start to gain a lot of sales with a car like this. While I am a Ford guy i hope this car can sell well, that seems to be the only way Ford will bring a Falcon over.

  • Alex

    Too good to waste? Well I don’t know about that. But then I suppose that for a large GM sedan, the Commodore is the pinnacle of quality and driving dynamics. I don’t think the Commodore is a very good car but I have lived in America and I used an assortment of rented cars while there and this was only a few years ago. They were massive GM sedans most of the time and they were horrible, especially to drive around New York in. The Commodore would feel like a 3 Series next to them so I suppose that for America, this car might make sense.

  • http://caradvice.com.au OSU811

    Alex I agree, the commodore is a very unrefined car to drive, and the build quality very average, when compared to japanese/euro built cars, But compared to some of the crap cars America builds they would feel quite good!!

  • Shak

    Jason the reson Ford dont want to bring the Falcon is because it will make the old Crown Victoria/Mercury redundant. It will also many Ford fans in the US who belived that the cars they were getting were top notch. If Ford do manage to some how get the Falcon to the US then i guarantee they will be raking in the bucks much like Holden did from the Middle East.

  • Shak

    haHA spam word Holden.

    I thought that the old guy really wanted these as police cars so he could test the way police in LA used them. The results said that they really liked the way it drove without body roll and the fuel consumption was miles better than the Crown Vic. The only thing they didnt like was the limited boot space when they had a rifle rack in the boot.

  • Jake02

    I hope they do work it out and it is sold as a Chevy because its too good a car (for the States) for them not to have. The Commodore is the average here (that is, the car that all others are benchmarked against) but in the US they loved it because it is a decidedly great car (for them at least). Its the pinnacle of Australian engineering (or less; thats how good we are) and it should be in the US for alot longer to let them appreciate our fine talents. The levels of goodness in cars is alot lower in the US (an example of this is the G8; its average here but great there) and its great to see Holden capitalising on that.

    If they send the Caprice (Holden) over there as well they’ll have a hit on their hands!

  • Shak

    Jake they’ve already sent the Caprice to the middle east and the Arabs bought it in droves, so they introduced the R8 and that also sold like crazy. Holden/HSV are capitalising all over the world, and rightfully so.

  • Andrew

    Everybody pay out the commodore . . . they only reason why the FG is more refined then the VE is because IT IS NOT AN ENTIRELY NEW PLATFORM.

  • Andrew

    Everybody pay out the commodore . . . they only reason why the FG is more refined then the VE is because IT IS NOT AN ENTIRELY NEW PLATFORM. It is a heavily modified BF platform …

  • Captain Mainwaring

    Guys, get a grip. Commodore is on a great (but internationally-expensive) platform, so it is of no interest to the American bean-counters. Just get over it.

  • Jake02

    Shak,
    Thanks for that, but I did mean send the Caprice to the US. My fault for not clarifying further!

  • Shak

    I know, i was just using Middle East as another example of their success.

  • Jake02

    lol ok then

  • Big End

    If the U.S. think the Commodore is a great car then how bad are the GM cars over there? Must be shockers! At least the tow-truck drivers will get a boost in business!

  • jason the american

    Actually Shak the Panther platform (which includes the Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, and Town Car) goes out of production in 2011. Right now a lot of police departments have switched to the Dodge Charger since they don’t care for front wheel drive. I don’t know what the plans are for Ford in this market, I guess offer a Taurus police package. If you guys ever seen robo cop they all drive the first gen Taurus SHO.

  • Frontman

    The most amazing thing about this report, and the genereal news surrounding “THE NEW GM” is that Bob Lutz has once again resurfaced! When will the Americans see him for who he really is? He is pig headed and Bullish in his dealings, not willing to listen to people advise against his Ideals. Chrysler & Zeta platforms are prime examples. Sure he is a self confesed car nut, but that doesn’t make him good for the industry. Same as teh best footy players don’t nessecarily make the best coaches.
    Chrysler built great looking cars, with no future plans (Viper and Prowler) and the Zeta platform needed to be lighter (and could have been) to make it truly world competitive. Also how many bad decissions have been made whilst he has been in the hot seat? Mekur, Exide and these GM beauty’s the Cadillac Sixteen Concept; Saturn Sky and Pontiac Solstice; Pontiac G8; Chevrolet Malibu; Cadillac CTS; Buick Enclave; Cadillac Converj. Sorry this guy does not instill confidence in me for teh NEW GM

  • The Realist

    If Holden can capture the American Fleet market, that’s one huge step for them.

    If these export deals happen do we still have to keep them afloat with our taxes?

  • realcars

    All the Commodore knockers at it again.Minimum 5speed auto standard and as good as anything in its price range.

    Better to drive than any jap skid steerer btw.

  • Tomas79

    Realcars Says:
    “Better to drive than any jap skid steerer btw.”

    So which current Japanese cars have actually driven Realcars?

  • Wheelnut®™

    I would say that its impossible for a Japanese car to drive Realcars… However; I’d say Realcars has probably driven a number of Japanese cars..

  • Tomas79

    Didn’t they cancel the G8, since they didn’t sell too well??!! So why the hell would they start importing them again?!

    By the way, this car makes much more sence as the next police car…
    http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/12/carbon-motors-reports-10-000-pre-orders-for-diesel-powered-e7-po/

  • charles

    I totally agree Frontman, I watched this fool on 60 minutes and if GM are relying on this clown they are in massive trouble. I think he played a massive part in why they went bankrupt.

  • Wheelnut®™

    The decision to “cancel” the G8 wasn’t because “it wasn’t selling” but because GM made the decision to get rid of Pontiac.

    If you care to read some of the comments on autoblog and inside line you will see that a considerable number of American car enthusiasts love the VE Commodore [G8] but due to the GFC are unable to afford one.
    When the decision was made to Axr Pontiac a number of them said that they hope to see it make a return to the USA as a Chev.. which thanks to Bob Lutz it is

    Not only that but on inside line the G8 is one of their long term test cars and they are impressed with how well it performs against its more fancied rivals which they have tested it against.

    Now if the yanks didn’t like the VE Commodore they wouldn’t make comments like that would they?

  • Wheelnut®™

    Another thing which will give you some idea as to what the Yanks think of Holden…

    When the first shipment of G8s [which sold out in a couple of weeks] reached the USA; there was an article which said that a number of them had Holden SS badges on them instead of Pontac badges.
    When GM realised the mistake they wrote to the new G8 owners asking them to return to their local Pontiac dealer to have Pontiac G8 badges fitted…. according to the article very few owners did so.

  • http://carz.com/ Carz

    Good for US to gain such a great car…though i still hope it would stay as Pontiac G8.

  • Shak

    haha spam word Holden

    Jason thanks for clarifying, i was thinking Ford were gonna be stuck in the leaf sprung age for eternity. Anyway, Wheelnut i watched the review on Youtube by inside line and they were amazed by the car and they said that the steering was better than the 3 series they had tested the day before. Lets just hope that Lutz can convince his superiors to bring this here as a chevvy.

  • jason the american

    BTW, my Grandpa used to have a 1988 Chevy Caprice with a 305 V8. It had a nice soft ride but man thinking about it reminds you how bad American 80s cars were. Now he drives a 1998 Buick Reagl GS, which has teh 3.8 supercharged V6. Not a bad car for an old man even if the wheels turn the wrong way.

  • Tomas79

    GM definitely won’t be bring back the VE in any form… Since Bob Lutz on his blog said that the “G8 will not be a Caprice after all.”

    Since “upon further review and careful study, we simply cannot make a business case for such a program”.

    Hence a few village idiots praising the VE isn’t a strong business case…. After all Trabant and P76 had it’s fans too!

    No wheelnut, the G8 didn’t sell while pontiac was around, thats why they canned the idea of brining in the G8 ute.
    Maybe when they brought in the clearance deals, then the sales increased a little… But that is the usual progression of things!!