Comments on: Nissan GT-R and V8 Supercars part ways

By: Wheelnut®™

Wheelnut®™ — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:07:52 +0000

There have been further developments in V8 Supercars “Cars of the Future” program.
According to a report on the V8 Supercars website the “Cars of The Future” could include small cars such as a Ford Focus vs a Holden Cruze vs a VW Golf etc.

It says that Mark Skaife who heads the “Cars Of The Future” committee has been given the brief that basically the cars must be a V8 and cost no more than $250K to build.

Which means we could end up with a category similar to the Super Sports Sedans “Silouhette” Series from the 80s-90s.
However; it hasn’t been decided whether or not the Cars of the Future will replace the Current V8s or race with them but be in a different category – similar to the Production car series

By: DesignEng

DesignEng — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:08:25 +0000

Max,
Top speeds down conrod are limited by rev limiters, not aerodynamics.
And don’t forget that conrod straight is shorter since the chase was added.

By: Richo

Richo — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:36:14 +0000

now your just being stupid (or should that be more stupid)

By: The Realist

The Realist — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:38:52 +0000

Richo Says:
June 25th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
“The Realist – you fool, we are talking about the success of V8 Supercars, NOT the financial sustainability of Ford and Holden. Get with the bloody program mate, this article isn’t even about Ford or Holden! Seriously WHAT the hell are you on about? Your just a broken bloody record, taking any chance to have a carry on about ford and holden even when no one else is talking about it, hence why I didn’t bother commenting on your stupid post.”

Perhaps V8 Supercars could provide assistance to Holden and Ford, rather than the Aussie tax payer?

By: Allergic to Nuts etc

Allergic to Nuts etc — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:57:50 +0000

So er, what about Nissan and V8 supercars parting ways ?

By: Mad Max

Mad Max — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:04:05 +0000

I think part of the problem with the V8 series right now is channel 7’s poor coverage. How many times to we have to cut from a good dice just to see a car (any car!) chugging up pitlane? All pit stops look the same. If only 7 would just use a 1/4 screen (they do some times) and show the racing on the other 3/4. So many times we have a good dice or a pass lost just so we can watch cars chugging along! Makes you screem some times. The ONLY good thing on seven is Skaife and Crompton. The rest are crap and the coverage is worse.
It would also be nice to see some of the front and rear aero taken off the cars so the move around a bit more and maybe it would make overtaking a bit easier. The cars might also be a bit quicker and we might see the magic 300 on Con=rod broken. Read so history and you will find Brocks VK group C Commodore in 184 was as quick on Con-Rod as the current cars. I guess that is do to the larger frontal area and aero kits on the current cars. Imagine 297k’s in a VK minimal aero, smaller brakes and old tech tyres! Big gonads back then!

By: Richo

Richo — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:07:51 +0000

The Realist – you fool, we are talking about the success of V8 Supercars, NOT the financial sustainability of Ford and Holden. Get with the bloody program mate, this article isn’t even about Ford or Holden! Seriously WHAT the hell are you on about? Your just a broken bloody record, taking any chance to have a carry on about ford and holden even when no one else is talking about it, hence why I didn’t bother commenting on your stupid post.

By: The Realist

The Realist — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:17:04 +0000

Richo Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
“The Realist – not even worth responding to that buddy, seems to be though that I have more thumbs up then thumbs down for my comments so maybe, just maybe, i’m not actually in the minority, you are, just minorities are noisy aren’t they…”

I received plenty of thumbs up on another thread where I wrote about Ford and Holden making significant losses throughout the past decade and there being a significant issue with Australian manufacturing… obviously I’m in the majority, using your spell binding logic.

Andrew M Says:
June 25th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Realist,
“I pay Taxes too, but why is it only the auto industry that is put in negative light when it comes to financial support from the government???”

Because even with handouts and luxury car taxes and tariffs the locals can hardly make any money. Even at the peak of the economic boom in Oz in 07 and 08 Holden and Ford couldn’t make a profit.

Minerals and Oil & Gas, including where appropriate upstream and down stream processing – that’s where we will make billions in the coming decades. Not by building Falcons and Commodores.

By: Andrew M

Andrew M — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:40:46 +0000

Realist,
I pay Taxes too, but why is it only the auto industry that is put in negative light when it comes to financial support from the government???

Also, Richo has said that this article is a load of crap because it is totally incorrect. He is not saying it is a load of BS because its not what he wants to hear, the facts of the matter displayed here are indeed very incorrect.
You are only agreeing with it because you wish it were true.

By: Richo

Richo — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:03:18 +0000

Tommo – the racing your talking about is indeed still happening, its called the Australian Productino Car Championships, its been running for years, hardly anyone comes out to watch it, so your argument is pretty much 100% defeated right there because you say that that is the kind of racing you want to see, but in actual fact you care so little about it that you didn’t even know that it existed!

The Realist – not even worth responding to that buddy, seems to be though that I have more thumbs up then thumbs down for my comments so maybe, just maybe, i’m not actually in the minority, you are, just minorities are noisy aren’t they…

By: The Realist

The Realist — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:22:19 +0000

Richo Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:53 pm
“I don’t care how many negatives I get, I just cannot get over how much of a load of crap this article, as to be expected from Car Advice.”

Perhaps you need to join your friends over at Wheels and leave this site. CA probably posts these articles to get termites like you out of the woodwork.

I don’t doubt the VB and big mac brigade are making this ‘motorsport’ a success, but perhaps respect needs to be paid to the Aussie tax payer keeping Holden and Ford alive.

Let me open a VB and toast the Aussie tax payer!

By: Andrew M

Andrew M — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:40:27 +0000

If they ran stock engines, they would limit the revs on each vehicle so neither one had a big power advantage.

Thats what they already do in some classes that run factory spec motors.
And if they are going to do that, they may aswell just keep running the same controlled specs that they currently do

At the end of the day, if you dont like it, flick the channel.
Im not a real big fan of AFL (I prefer NRL), but you dont see me sitting here saying they need introduce scrums rather than boundry throws. If AFL doesnt appeal to me, I flick to the version that does. I dont keep harping on about wanting to change it.

Same should be said for those who arent sold on the V8SC formula.
If you arent happy watching the V8SC formula, go and watch one of the many other categories that do play the game in a different manner. Dont sit here and whinge about it.

By: Toxic_Horse

Toxic_Horse — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:42:17 +0000

” I must confess that I used to think the v8’s were more like the road cars they emulate, DUH ! ”

they were in the early days.

By: Allergic To Nuts and Missiles {} {}

Allergic To Nuts and Missiles {} {} — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:39:40 +0000

These arguments are great, and without the constant interjections of those that I became sneezy at seem far more enjoyable.

V8SC arrived about the same time I came here from UK, and I have enjoyed it heaps. I dont care one way or another about the red or blue, just enjoyable racing.
After reading the recent comments it has made me realise that I dont care about V8SC anymore.
Maybe its part to do with new faces coming along,so that you dont barrak for the same drivers anymore.
Maybe its because the drivers swap from team to team, therefore you dont keep any loyalty to “your man “.
Maybe its the technology that seems to overshadow great driving.
Maybe its the realisation that its just business at the end of the day.
It is not as exciting for me any more, and I agree with lots of comments regarding better representation of various manufacturers.
Also, keeping them relevant to road-going cars makes the fans feel more in touch with the racing.
( I must confess that I used to think the v8’s were more like the road cars they emulate, DUH ! )

Anyhoo, this has been my 2 bobsworth.
Cheers, ATNAM

By: Toxic_Horse

Toxic_Horse — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:57:47 +0000

Slim
I totally agree with you, V8 supercars have become really boring now. I would rather bring the cars back to when they were modified road cars. I don’t care if one team wins every race, I think the cars should at least run the factory engine.
There should be no control aero package, there should be freedom with some aero mods, exhaust setup etc.
MAke the cars fun and relavent again.

my 2 cents worth

By: Troppa

Troppa — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:53:13 +0000

Elitist – So you think your Schmacher now!this elitist thing has gone too your head bro,I think you should give it up.

By: ABC

ABC — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:08:55 +0000

Tommo,
Point taken, however regardless what they may argue, an F1 car has no more relevance to a Road Car than a V8SC.

By: tommo617

tommo617 — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:52:05 +0000

ABC – Honda (and for that matter Toyota) would argue that racing in a championship that (until recently) encouraged high technology solutions meant that eventually these new engineering solutions would trickle down to the average joe’s car. It also indicated that they were “the high tech car company”, which was part of their brand identity.

Pushrod V8s with live rear axles (unless I’m very much mistaken) are unlikely to trickle “upwards” into production vehicles any time soon – even Ford and Holden’s road cars have moved on where the race cars haven’t.

By: ABC

ABC — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:55:39 +0000

Tommoommo617,
Think about the first 3 lines of your comment particularly

“But that doesn’t stop Ford and Holden pretending that they are relevant to the cars they sell in the shop”

and then based on your thinking ask yourself this..
what does that mean for Honda who used to end every TV add with an F1 car!

By: Slim Shady

Slim Shady — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:34:37 +0000

I think it a crying shame Nissan has had to pull out, but I tip my hat to them for sticking by their morals.

As for the V8SC?? one word for them, Boring!!

Before you flame me, I used to be a huge V8 supporter, and prior to that the ATCC and Group A.

It’s a hame to see a sport where NO ONE with less than a couple of million spare can get into the sport…..long gone are the days of race on Sunday, buy on Monday….V8’s are heading towards the style of NASCAR (redneck racing), tin bodies that all look the same and have nearly the same running gear….thats not tin top racing in my book!

Open the sport up, bring back the different racing classes and make it fun again!!!