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A deafening whine made the ears of our spy photographer prick up, that deafening whine was the sound of a supercharged V8 Falcon.

Before the car scurried off into the distance, our photographer was able to snap some shots of what could possibly be Ford’s latest attempt at slaying Holden’s HSV offerings.

With over 60 per cent of FPV sales leaning toward the V8 engine, FPV has been desperately in need of an engine capable of taking on the ever expanding offerings from HSV.

Up until now, Ford haven’t attempted to do anything too serious to the current 5.4-litre ‘BOSS’ V8. The reason behind the delay is the impending Euro4 emissions cut-over, due on July 1 next year. The current BOSS V8 will not meet the Euro4 standards, meaning there is little point doing any further work on it.

Instead, insiders have told CarAdvice that Ford Australia will use a US-sourced 5.0-litre V8. Featuring 32-valves and an aluminium block, the engine will be significantly lighter than the current offering.

The best news of all though is that we believe FPV is strapping a supercharger to the engine to give it the extra kick in the pants needed.

Although Ford are being very cagey about the work on the new engine, our spy photographer says that this thing was fast, very fast. It accelerated from a standing start not far from where he was and he said that not only was the supercharger whine loud, the acceleration was phenomenal.

2010 Supercharged FPV GT Coyote V8 - Project Miami

As you can see from the photographs, a small section of the car-bra has a large intake for the supercharger.

FPV General Manager, Rod Barrett indicated in a previous press conference that FPV would assemble the engine locally – much like the current ‘BOSS’ arrangement. This would give FPV, which has codenamed its project Miami, the perfect chance to attach a supercharger to really get things moving.

We can expect the upcoming GT to give the HSV Clubsport and GTS a decent run for its money. The engine, code named Coyote, should produce at least 300kW. From there, the supercharger should help it bring power and torque up to HSV beating levels.

CarAdvice will keep you posted as news comes to hand. Miami, here we come!




  • Shak

    this thing is going to fail just as the GT failed. The supercharger is going to overload the rear wheels and as the article says it too loud. It stills looks to Falconish

    • KingBogan

      Well when you add a supercharger to a HSV E2 from WP you get 480KW and 802NM.
      And thats with the standard drivetrain.
      Factory warranty is unaffected. 0-100 in 4.2 secs.
      Coyote will simply have to be de-tuned. They cant afford to make the drivetrain
      as strong as a HSV.

      • rob

        Your clueless dude. rdp motorsport got a stock gt badged at 335kw and it delivered around 420kw. With a quick play with the computer it punch out 480kw. The drivetrain has handled it no worries. The 6 speed auto is good for more then 700kw.

        Do your reseach.

        • thomo

          stock my ass

          • Zsan

            Do you really want me too?

    • My Cars Called T-Rex

      Wow the Aussie car haters have gone out of there way to thumbsdown almost every post on here,The sad part is they probobly live in Oz.Not you Shak.

  • Splatcat

    Can’t wait, it will beat the pants off the over rated over priced European cars and will destroy the cheap crappy asian cars.

    • Lazza

      Beat the ‘pants’? Exactly how? a drag race to the next set of ligths, or to the bus in front with it\’s stop lights on? Tool…

      • Lee Enfield

        Wow, so public roads are the only place you can drive acar, you can’t take it to a track and use it a track days. Tool

  • SteveH

    If the standard engine puts out 300kw, I am guessing adding a supercharger would take it well beyond what HSV is offering, probably past the W427. A possible GTHO?

    • KingBogan

      Obviously with those power figures their only option is a supercharger.
      HSV offer a very strong drivetrain. I mean add a supercharger from WP and
      the drivetrain stays. In fact so does factory warranty. Even if you fit a WP
      supercharger up to 100,000klms. I never thought i’d say it but now HSV gearboxes dont seem so bad eh ?

      • My Cars Called T-Rex

        I thought The Falcons and Commodores both used the same manual box,Trimec 6 speed the ford has bearing in the shifter(smoother shifts0 while the commodore has bushes and ford has a better auto.

      • lowindsor

        what are you doing here bogan! praise your holden trash talk to a hsv website man.the power figures that have been quoted from ford are from a brand new engine. its only in its infancy days so give it time, much like chevy has been doing for years now and you got yourself a factory contender with or without boltons.

        • gabe tomasini

          Well said brother… Go the Ford power

  • http://navelcontemplation.blogspot.com Supercujo

    Shak, the reason why the GT looks Falconish, is because it is a Falcon.

  • Danman2

    Code names?? Coyote and Miami. You have to be kidding right. Some journalisitc liscence? Thats really poor. American and bland names for an American and bland car. What do those names conjure up for you, dear readers? A silly cartoon and the drug capital of America.. haha

    This car will hit it’s initial sales targets due to pent up demand they rapidly tail off as everyone who wants one, buys one.

    Ford knows this which is why they probably spent $10.42 on the budget.

    If they call this the GTHO I’m gonna punch somebody. Right in their Blue oval!

    • Jack

      I think the 5.0L V8 project was called ‘hurricane’, until Katrina struck New Orleans, then it was changed to ‘Coyote’. Can anyone confirm?

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Arrr ask and you will recieve,now wheres that sound clip I wanted ?

    Its sounds like a V8SC when its full noise Im told ,sounds awesome.

    Steve the next HO,yeah thats what AndrewM and I were discussing on email last night…….

    The blown Coyote……..yeah ya……..

  • smokin’R32

    Danman the coyote name was coined in the US as its the engine being developed for the mustang, get over it.
    Good to see some spy shots of local product, what got me onto this site in the first place

  • Eric

    More trash. Cheap and goes well in a straight line, good value for that.

    Sucks at everything else and looks hideous

  • Philthy

    “The supercharger is going to overload the rear wheels and as the article says it too loud…”

    Sounds like the perfect fit for the target market! Should be a hoot. Good stuff FPV.

  • SteveH

    Gee, the haters are in early on this one.

    Should handle better than the current Ford V8 due to the aluminium block and less weight over the front wheels. If this was to be the HO, hopefully they go all out on it and make is stop, steer and handle like it should.

  • aussiepics

    Hmm.. I believe ‘Chad’ is an american word for a second-rate salmon. Go home or buy Aussie, instead of whining about not being able to prop up the korean economy.

  • QwkEddie

    WOW!
    Can’t wait to see it’s performance figures!

  • Phill

    Yes

  • Captain Mainwaring

    An image car for Ford, nothing more. Its real-world performance will always be limited by how much power can be fed through the real wheels. But it will hit the target market and that’s the main thing.

  • Spetty

    Well said Aussiepics.Not many Australians on this site judging by some of the comments.

  • Top Gear

    Shak..just how has the GT failed? It is a great car. How much credibility do you have with comments like that and the real howler” looks Falconish” !!!!! LMFAO it is a Falcon you tool……….lol lol lol lol

  • Top Gear

    Oh Shak..if you were trying to say looks too much like a Falcon……..the word is too, not to…..learn English so then at least your stupid unfounded unqualified and totally crap comments will at least be spelt right!!!!

    to Falconish……..still cant believe you said that………..

  • Sonu

    Ford Falcon is a great car, much better then the Holden Commodore. I think they need to make the cars lighter. Their are German performance cars out there which do 0-100Km/h in around 5 seconds but dirnk only 9L per 100 km/s.

    But its a car built by aussies for aussies.

    And boy do they sound good.

    My wife will never let me buy one.

  • ford freak

    about time ford got serious with the v8′s….

    I think chad and shak are on smack……

    supercharged factory v8′s? a bright future!!!!

  • David Miller

    Shak

    Check your bible; it say’s – if thou is to fit forced induction via supercharging to a performance car, then it is right and good that this supercharger be heard.

    Amen.

  • jeremey

    I CANT WAIT TILL THE GT IS ON THE ROAD IT WILL BEAT HOLDEN AND IT WILL BE BETER THEN THE ONE THAT IS OUT KNOW AND IT WILL BE BETTER THEN ANY HSV

    • KingBogan

      Gee, cause with the CAPITALS you are making your point.
      You must have an EL or something…

  • STIG

    Sonu, german performance cars like m3′s c63 rs4 and the soon to come rs5 cost about 3 times what a Falcon GT’s gonna cost… spend the same amount of money on the falcon, i’ll bet u anything it’ll match their performance or do even better. But then again ppl don’t buy luxury performance european cars to drive around like they stole the car. They pay for the brand. And if ur wife won’t let u buy a Falcon GT then seriously, go get urself a new one… that’s just ridiculous not buying one cos ur wife says so!

    @ Danman – totally agree with u on the GTHO designation. If they call this the GTHO… it’s the end of ford… unless they drastically change the looks of that thing

  • E@T

    Geeze guys. Now why would you put a bodykit and new looks on a car for the next update. Duh lets have it snapped before it goes on sale.

    So many ididots on the internet and one eyed holden bogans. Good on them if they can sell a 300kw+ car for 70/80,000 Australian dollars.

    America still sells performance cars with leaf springs and solid beam axels.

    Corvette and mustang. !!!

  • Chris

    Looks great might have to sell the SS of this turns out to be a ripper

    Long Live Aussie Muscle cars

  • Westy

    This will align perfectly for my wish list GT and the timeline for my GT purchase…..this is more like it FORD!! Good stuff, and I, like the intelligent ones here can’t wait. For those that hate Ford good for you and waste some more of your hot air bleating on about whatever it is you do. For those of us that love the Blue Oval this is enough to get the blood seriously pumping. Can’t wait to see the numbers.

  • davie

    To be honest, I wouldn’t really buy a falcon.

    But If I had to, then this would be it!

    An Alloy supercharged v8!

    Kick ‘er in the guts barry!!!!

  • BOSSCR

    I dont see how this could be the end of Ford if they call it the GTHO???? Why should the GTHO be anything other than a Falcon GT with balls the size of Tasmania? All previous forms of GTHO’s looked near on identical to their sibling GT’s.

    Conversely, I believe this is just what Ford Australia needs – a cult car. Give it Superoo decals on the side, black out the bootlid between the tail lights and get some 20″ globes on it – no shaker though – all the BA/BF’s sporting them look sh1t.

  • Wheelnut

    Chad: Yes tarrifs are likely to be reduced to 0% However; to think that cars form overseas will somehow be cheaper [if Ford Holden adn Toyota leave Australia] means that you are obviously angle parked in a parallel universe.

    Because if Ford Holden and Toyota leave Australiaits more likely that the overseas car manufacturers will realise that without a Local car industry; if Australians want to buy a new car tehy will have no other option but to pay the price they want.. So its more likely that despite Tarrifs being 0% most car companies will increase their prices [as well as increase their profits].

    It’s a simple case of supply and demand – you want em and we are the only ones that have got them/ that are selling them therefore; we [the car companies] have the upper hand

    Not that many Australians will be able to afford to buy run or maintain a new imported car given that so many of us will be out of work if Ford Holden adn Toyota leave Australia… we will most likely be left driving 10-20+ year odl Falcons and commodores as they generally last longer and are easier/cheaper to repiar and maintain

  • Wheelnut

    SteveH: According to a rather brief article on the new DOHC V8 in Motor.. the “Coyote” engine is expected to produce approx 325-350kw with the aid of a supercharger

    • http://bbs.bricklaying@ovi.com T.SURRIDGE

      At the tyres.Pretty much,depending on motor and dyno.Check out BPT MOTORSPORT’S COYOTE. 80lb injectors big pump and cooler 10.48 quarters and thats the work bus. Bigger blower,more fuel, surge tank. Wind er up. They’re great with XR6 TURBO’S too, my mrs’s runs 16lb constant,60lb inj, pump. 362kws. 12.2 qtrs. Twin turboed 5ltr svo next, while building 383 twin turboed injected chev for me FJ 40 CRUISER. Cheers Terry and Jean and the rest crew at BPT MOTORSPORT-FORD WA. From BBS BRICKLAYING. T&T&mrs Mac.

  • Acfsambo

    If they do give the GT say a 350KW supercharged V8, imagine how much more freedom they will have with the turbo 6? They will be able to run the 6 closer to its potential instead of having to hold it back for the V8. Say a 300kw v8 for the XR8, 280kw for the XR6T, 350kw for the GT and say 320/330kw for the 6. Though this is just my opinion.

  • Shak

    top gear i mean that compared to the GTS and the R8 it has not rated a proper mention in any review from car websites and magazines. And this is over a year or so since the release of the VE.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    BOSSCR ,here’s some interesting news for you,Ford were going to be releasing a HO at the end of the year but have canned the idea due to the economy and get this…….cause of how bad the sales went for the W427. Two different cars altogether I think.Im trying to find out kw numbers for this and the GT. I did think that this would be the HO engine they’re testing but maybe its for the GT and they will crank up the boost for the HO !

    I know in the past Barrett has said hes not bringing the HO out unless it can be the what the phase 3 was back in 71,so for that its going to have to be the worlds fasted 4 door once again,thats a big ask!

    Oh and sorry hun ,you wont see any Superoo decals, Barrett has said that :(

  • Wheelnut

    For all of those going on about how a HSV Clubbie or GTS wouldn’t stand a chance against a Supercharged Falcon..

    7.0 Litre LS-7 [W427] in the ZO6 Corvette produces 505Bhp = 380Kw
    Blown 6.2 Litre LS-9 in the ZR-1 Corvette produces 638Bhp = 475Kw

    Not only that but the Cadillac CTS-V has a 6.2 Litre V8 engine [just like the VE Commodore] and wih the aid of a supercharger it produces 556Bhp…. That’s 410Kw

    Therefore; if/when the GT-HO is released don’t be surprised if HSV do something similar to the LS-3 or even import the LS9

    Note : I am not trying to downgrade the Coyote V8 or the GT-HO in anyway. I am just to try and bring some balance and perspective to the arguement That is all. because if I coul afford one I would definitely buy one.
    I maybe a Holden fan but the GT-HO is a iconic Australian a Muscle Car which I believe all real Australian Car enthusiasts love /admire regardless of which side of the fence they are on.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Now from what I just read on the engine thats in the new
    GT500 Stang thats the 5.4 DOHC thats also blown and puts out 540 needies {the same as what the old GT500KR did} that will be replaced with this same engine and also blown.

    I cant imagine them going backwards in grunt when they have been moving forward so imagine what that’s going to have. Thats the engine they need to put in the next GT .

    Then we have the Supersnake Version of the GT500KR ,with 725 needies and although they wont warrant that version you can buy it in the US , so will we see that type of grunt from the next HO ? Lets hope !

    http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/06/shelby-unleashes-750-horsepower-gt500-super-snake-prudhomme-edit/

  • Shak

    BM your absolutely correct, i read the same on autoblog.

  • Tim

    I’m sorry, I’ll be another one of these haters on Aussie performance cars.

    I just dont get what is so special about these tanks. Yes they are powerful and can leave nice tire marks on the ground…..so what! It will be quick in a straight line (if you can launch properly with that much power under the bonnet, completely dry) and thats it. It looks like a taxi, it handles like a boat – so no fun around the bends, low rent exterior and paying upto $80K with less technology, prestige and desirability than a $70K BMW, Merc, Audi.

    It blows my mind how anyone can buy something like a HSV or an FPV. Logic can not explain this lol.

    • Jack

      If you look at European population size compared to our own, far more Mercedes are taxis on this planet than Australian Ford Falcons. So your point is?

      Spam word AMG, lol

    • Lazza

      Tim, you obviously dont drive a $70K BMW. I do, it is a $75K 3 series with a M sport fit out. The ride quality is less than a standard Falcon XR6 which is half the price (which my daughter has), its power and acceleration is less as well. 3 Series standard features (might be higher quality, but same functions)are almost the same as an XR6 (not the turbo either). I’d imagine the new GT ‘Coyote’ will crap all over BMW or Merc price equivalent vehicles. (I have owned 2 Merc’s as well). As for quality – the Mercs front-end were stuffed after 70,000klms – can’t handle Aussie roads beyond city driving, whilst the Ford’s and Holden’s just motor on.

      As for the concern with the GT-HO designation, what is that all about – apart from the GT stripes, air-intake and spoilers, the original GTHO bodies were no different to the base car.

  • Acfsambo

    Tim. Yes people buy these for their wheel spinning abilities, but whats better to toe with than a V8? Also for the feeling of rolling acceleration (say 80-120). I also ask you a question, can you get as much power for 80k from BMW or Mercedes or Audi? The answer is no. Yes i know they aren’t the best handling cars, but for cost to performance, there isn’t really much better. They are also cheaper to insure and fix and quicker to fix as there are more parts that are readily available. Another point Tim is that people buying these don’t are all that much about the latest technology. All they want is a car that is quick and can carry all their stuff.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Tim ,your not sorry.

    I guess if your not into performance cars you wont understand! So your forgiven for your uneducated opinion ;)

  • thenameless

    LOL at Tim… Handles like a boat?? Never been in a Falcon for over 20 years I see. I was in Italy in May and now back in Oz all E-Class Benz sedans look like Taxis too me.. Plenty of technology, handling and power. Something you have to pay over $100k for in any Euro sedan. But that is your choice to prefer overpriced European Taxi’s.

  • Wheelnut

    Thanks to an ACME Supercharger the Coyote makes more Power than the [Plymouth] Road Runner!

  • Wheelnut

    Yet another insightful and rather inciteful comment there by CA’s resident socio-demographer.

  • Top Gear

    Easy to see there is alot of Ford haters here……..probably the paid ones from Holden and Toyota again. What a great car this will be……..alloy 5 litre DOHC supercharged ……..very nice. Should only enhance an already great car. Not all of us like to drive white goods Toyotas like Chad does……..lol

  • Top Gear

    Tim………what do you mean it looks like a taxi? Sure there are Falcon Taxis just as there are Holden, Toyota, Mercedes……………and many other makes of car that are used as Taxis………..I was in a Merc taxi in europe so does that mean that they “look like a taxi” ? that is such a stupid staement its not funny………..as for handling like a boat , you really have no idea do you??

  • Top Gear

    Chad you are as bad as Tim………..the Taxi thing is so not relevent just it a rest, go drive a GT or an F6 before you comment on them……..

  • http://carz.com/ Carz

    I’m sure Ford can produce better than this. I think this is a first for Ford, what could have happened.

    Guys, give Ford a chance, maybe they can make up for this whine :)

  • Car Advice Reader

    Looks like the Falcadores can’t even keep up in a straight line with the best of Euro/Japan!

    So it’s more like a fart, then a bang for you buck!!

  • Car Advice Reader

    The above statement refers to the following video link!

    C63 vs IS-F vs M3 vs VXR8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUQb6SiJUh0

  • Phil C.

    This thing will go like the proverbial! Ouperforming the W427 and using about 20% less fuel in the process.

    Falcons have been good handlers since the EL Falcon XR6 and have only improved since then.

    As for bang for your buck. No, it still won’t keep up with a 911 GT2 which is Europe’s best. But that is over $400k.

    Maybe compare the RS6 Audi, but that is a quarter million dollars if you want to talk sedans.

    Stop being badge snobs and actually sample the product.

    • KingBogan

      And to quote the little guy on Top Gear, ” This car (HSV) will worry 911′s”.

  • Luke

    The SC should more than certainly give the engine a power edge especially the low to mid end torque, even with its slightly smaller displacement.

    Where is that sound clip, possibly could be the best soundtrack on the south side of $100k.

    Although HSV could outperform again by simply adding a SC to the LS3, but that would make the W427 redundant!!

  • Danman2

    No top gear.. Not FoMoCo hater. Just hat misdirected energy and cynical marketing.. No one who reads this thread will ever buy one.. we are all adults and no that.

    Should have used the money they spent here on a turbo diesel 2.7 for the territory. Huh. Much better business sense for this is the band playing on while the Titanic sinks..

  • Dean

    OMG, is that what Ford have to do to beat HSV ?

    pity it will still be a second rate car it’s fitted to….

    • KingBogan

      Yep thats what they have to do…..always play catchup

  • gcg2503

    The comments on this article are nothing short of astounding. Much like a group of pimply faced teenagers basically giving cars merit based on published 0-100km/h and quarter mile times. Chad = Oxygen bandit without any idea.

  • BK

    Looks like Ford is goin back to the GTHO days. Thats what v8s are really all about. What holden have been making in the last 30 odd years with there V8s are just average V8s. Ford had the worlds fastest production car and off course this will be up there again. They did an awsome job with the F6 well this will be even better. Holden watch and learn how its done. Who cares about the latest 6 litre and 7 litre engines cause theres nothin special about em.

    • KingBogan

      BK, sales figures would disagree. And HSV exports their cars, so please back up your worthless comments with some facts.

      • Happy

        Bogan, sales figures show me how many fools there are out there.. Put a dunny box on wheels and put a holden badge on it and you’ll buy it.. I had three holdens before i bought a Falcon and had endless troubles with them.. Never again.. There the facts for me..

  • Acfsambo

    If you compare a Falcon or a Commodore to a 5 Series of course the 5 Series will come up trumps, but look at the money you spend. Everyone keeps comparing FPV and HSV to Merc/BMW/Audi where they shouldn’t as the base cars there performance cars are based off (3 series/5series/c-class/A4/A6)have a larger market and sell more worldwide therefore more money can be spent on them to start with. For what the Falcon and Commodore are, and their sales they are very competent. How much are you paying for the Supercharged Jag XF-R? And explain how they are a second rate car and show me a first rate car in that price range with the Falcon/Commodore’s ability.

  • Top Gear

    Danman2 shows how little you know……this is an FPV not a Ford.

    Ford are bringing out a Deisel Territory in the near future……..

    Dean…..FPV already beat HSV……..its called an F6……..and the GT is better in alot of areas too……this will just put them well ahead.

    • KingBogan

      FPV beat HSV LMAO !

  • Elitist

    Haven’t these guys learned nothing?

    Spend money on the design and interior instead of bolt on parts bin power.

  • michael

    personally i think both holdens commodore and fords falcon are great australian cars , both big all purpose family sedans far from bland, and if the falcon v8 is half a second slower than the commodore v8 over the qaurter ….who cares , its still a 14 second car with a full tank and 2 people in it and the air conditioning running, and let me say this if you want to cut tariffs further to give over seas car companies a bigger advantage at the expense of our local manufacturing so you can have an import a few thousand cheaper….SHAME ON YOU.

  • Grease Monkey

    FPV…..yawn

    ZZZZZzzzzzzz…….

    • KingBogan

      And thats a double…..yawn
      ZZZZZZzzzzzzz

  • Daniel

    I think the amount of negative feedback given to this topic in such little time is a good thing. Finally FPV are doing something to worthy of sending ripples through the fan/hater base.
    Good on them. Ausie cars for ausie workers in ausie jobs!
    The day the Australian auto industry dies is the day where our individuality as a nation dies.
    If all you haters think telling us “european/japcrap cars are better quality, better this and better that” (usually the people who have never touched a spanner in their wussy life) is going to change the way us fans feel about our Holdens and Fords you thought wrong. go waste your key presses in on “australian caviar eaters advice”.
    Dan.

    • Jack

      Agree. Much of what the ‘elitists’ post on these forums goes a long way toward the end-goal of destroying the manufacturing base of the free market, Western, Anglo economies.

      Don’t listen to them. We make great things here.

  • Sonu

    Around a track you can bet your bottom dollar a stock standard 135i would cream any fpv or hsv. Both would cost about the same. Dont get me wrong i think FPV are great. My mate just bought the new g6et and its utterly supreme. But the germans have the performance and handling areas nailed. Aussies cars are good, but dont compare to germans.

    I think most people would agree.

  • GTENVY

    I find it quite funny that alot of people who have commented on here and in general who bag the performance versions of the Falcon and Commodore – GT, F6, GTS, Clubbie have never driven one. Ha – sorry to say, you have got ‘no idea’. For one thing you are not comparing apples with apples. The equivalent Euro ‘barges’ don’t handle any better, and while we’re on the subject, seem the prices for spares parts in germany for a 318 compared to here – now how’s being ripped off!!

  • FPV Cobra

    HAHA Tim probably drove a base model Falcon and is ignorant enough to think an FPV is the same just has a rear spoiler. Top of the range Performance offerings from Ford or Holden havn’t handled like a boat in 30 years. I wonder does a C180 handle the came as a C63? A 318i the same as an M3? An A4 the same as an RS4? Wake up pea brain!

  • http://bent Millatime

    Chad

    Save your pathetic cowardly abuse and get off this site.

  • Tom

    Nothing in that picture indicates it will be supercharged to me.

  • Another Rubbish Ford Recall

    Just another taxi car….

  • Wheelnut

    I agree Millatime – he refers to everyone else as Bogans yet he is the first/only one who resorted to Personal insults not to mention swearing – like most poorly educated people from low socio-economic backgrounds tend to do as they are unable to think of any intelligent replies or hold a normal civilised discussion or they realise that they have lost an arguement…. So Chad – who is the Bogan?

  • Mr Bloke

    The fact that there are so many comments from euro fans means that ford and holden ARE doing something to threaten the status quo – That being the perception that european cars are superior just because they are european. For those that say its just a taxi – I urge you to go and drive one. you might actually learn something. Having driven nearly every model and make currently available as part of my job i can tell you that you’ll be surprised at what you get for your money. Take a G6ET for a drive for the whole weekend. HIGHLY RECOMENDED

  • Wheelnut

    Tom – Nothing in that picture indicates it will be supercharged to me.

    what were you expecting to see a B&M Blower sticking out of the bonnet liike you do on most Street Machines?

  • Mr Bloke

    Oh and leave the personal insults in the playground

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Tom the whine of the Supercharger indicates its blown !

    • KingBogan

      Gee, from the PICTURES how can you tell ther’s a whine ?

  • Wheelnut

    Mr Bloke several of us Ford and Holden fans have suggested to the Euro & Jap Lovers that they actually go test drive a new XR8 / GT or; SS / Clubbie.

    Because its pretty obvious that they are basing their comments on experiences they had when they drove Falcon or Commodore some 20-30 years ago.. refusing to realisethat things have changed alot since then

    Yet most of them would rather cut of their left one before ever stepping foot in a Ford or Holden dealership

  • BK

    HSV just dont have the goods when it comes up against FPV. They only got to offer is debts

    • KingBogan

      Yeah HSV have debts sure.
      But they also have way better sales figures HERE than FPV and they EXPORT.
      Do FPV export ? LOL

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    What about you people educating yourselves on what this thing is capable of before your start on the bagging .

    The current blown 5.4 DOHC in the GT500 that this will be replacing does a 0-100 in 4.1 sec this is going to be faster again !

    Someone tell me currently where I can buy something family size from Japan or Europe new that will match the current HSV or FPV line up. Unsophisticated they maybe but that half their appeal!

  • Elitist

    If Ford wanted to impress me, they should come up with a small block V8, a shorter coupe Falcon and make it well trimmed and balanced.

    If they could produce 380kw from a 4 ltr V8 like the Europeans could, that would be a good muscle car.

    Instead Ford/Holden rely on bolting on parts to their standard cheap model cars then raising the price over $80 for idiots who spend their inheritance in one go.

    • Jack

      That would be an interesting car. I always thought there is a great market here for a 1400kg sedan/coupe/wagon that was local, RWD, had cheap parts and was sprung for our road condtions, and had derivatives of our current powerplants.

      Won’t mention the word ‘Torana’, either. Oops, just did that…

  • not childish

    bm/cracknut…stop your craps .no one interested in your old pushrod rubbish and oldest tech on earth.you are nothing but childish. ……….

  • Acfsambo

    Another reason people like these cars is because you have to drive them, they don’t drive themselves. There is more driver involvement in controlling the car.

  • thenameless

    All the Euro snobs (or whatever) are funny… Stick to your EuroSnob Taxi’s and get on with it! Go to Europe seriously.. You will see all your favourite cars from MB E and C Class to BMW’s and Volkswagons as cabs. Asia? Same sort of thing. Plenty of Toyota cabs as well as the odd Mercedes Benz.
    Now to you Hsv wankers… You may not have a car to toss about in the next 12mths considering how your bankrupt GM is going.

  • Acfsambo

    Not Childish, I may be wrong here but the Coyote V8 isn’t a pushrod.

  • BK

    Elitist you dont have to worry about ford and holden if you got a problem with them or do you mean HSV and FpV

  • Wheelnut

    Elitist: The standard 5.0 litre “Coyote” Engine produces 300Kw [that's with out a supercharger] whereas the AMG C63 uses a 6.3 Litre V8 to produce 336Kw.. which is just 36kw more than what the Falcon will produce – so given all that technology and wizardry how is that impressive?

    • KingBogan

      HSV produces 325KW (without a supercharger.
      But hey sh*t add one and look out.
      HSV doesnt have drivetrain issues (200 WP cars prove that).
      And with factory warranty even if you fit the thing up to 100,000 klms.
      Ouch FPV.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Acfsambo ,the interesting thing is several years ago they were speculating we would be getting the AJ-V8 Gen 111 in Supercharged form which puts out 375 kws,that of course changed when Tata stepped in.

    This engine is very similar in spec to the Jag engine and has a shorter stroke than the previous Boss and can rev out to the 7000 rpm mark.

    So we have a lighter free revving engine from Ford………seems its getting a few people concerned ;)

  • Shane

    Good work FORD. Ford have proven they can mass produce a force inducted engine i.e the XR6 Turbo, which has proven it self over and over again. I see no reason why they can’t run with a supercharged V8, perfect for the V8 boys who naturally love superchargers over turbos. While HSV keep going bigger Ford is taking the opposite direction and going smaller which will perform just as good if not better than HSV’s mills. I doubt it will be in the XR8 which will probably just have a 300kw NA 5ltr V8.

  • Wheelnut

    Can any of the Euro Lovers on here please tell me when Porsche Audi Merc-Benz or BMW are going release a Ute? Perhaps even the worlds fastest Ute – as they have already made the worlds fastest saedan & the worlds fastest wagon

  • SteveH

    The 6.2 ltre in the C63 is that engines ‘base’ tune. In the CLS63 the engine puts out 378kw.

    Let me guess Wheelnut, you would rather cut off your right one before stepping into a Toyota / Lexus dealership?

  • SteveH

    Wheelnut, go have a look at Stuart Appleby’s M5 ute that he made. That would have to be one of the quickest utes in the world, but I doubt BMW would ever make it.

  • Splatcat

    I saw somewhere that the next GT using the 5.0L alloy motor could have power figures as high as 375KW. The louder the whine of the supercharger the better, the whine of the supercharger as it approaches and the thunder of a good exhaust as it pulls away, aaah, heaven.

  • Phil C.

    Elitist is a typical Euro-Snob fool as his name indicates. 380kW from 4L like the Europeans can, then you’ll be impressed. Which ones precisely?

    Porsche 911 GT2 390kW – 3.6L TT – $447k
    MB S63 AMG 386kW – 6.2L V8 – $386k
    Lambo Gallardo 412kW – 5.0L V10 – $475k
    Ferrari 430 – 360kW – 4.3L V8 – $434k
    Ferrari 430 Scud – 375kW – 4.3L V8 – $573k
    BMW M3 – 309kW – 4.0L V8 – $170k

    So, none of those cars fit your description either. Guess they too are all sub par.

    The closest in spec, the 4L V8 BMW, was 20% short of your standard Euro V8. The next closest was the F430, but was bigger than your specified size, still fell short on power and costs nearly as much as my house.

    Stop being a badge snob and actually sample the current product.

  • Phil C.

    Splatcat, the hard part might be the marketing. Do they tell the truth and say it has x power and y torque? Or do they say it has 350kW/600Nm, when the numbers could be higher.

    FPV, now, about those wider rear tyres! The F6 overwhelms them with 565Nm and this will have more…

  • Elitist

    Fords/Holdens are like their drivers, a mixture of every crap under the sun and no true thoroughbred bloodline.

    • Swagger

      And your like the car you drive,a fiat pinto,gutless,not much on the inside and couldn’t handle the conditions outside of a major australian city.

  • Ben Richards

    Elitist….Agree 100%

  • High Horser

    I’m sure Lexus V8′s should be mentioned as well.

    It’s the sum of their parts, a V8 Ferrari, BMW, Mercedes, Alfa Romeo, Maserati, Lexus engine will always be superior to a Ford V8 engine…

    Some people like eating Chiko rolls for dinner and some people love home made lasagna…

  • The Realist

    Phil C. Says:
    June 13th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
    “Stop being a badge snob and actually sample the current product.”

    What if you don’t want performance, but want quality, features, service and style – the current falcons fall well short in that regard.

    Does the average Aussie want to be affiliated with the big mac eating hippos in Sydney’s west who aspire to own these cars?

    • Michael

      Are you suggesting people from sydneys west are substandard to yourself… you expose a real bigotry which is offensive and not required when commenting on a car… which it must say has wider user base than you purposed sub standard non desrviving lepers who live in the west… grow up

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    The last 4 comments made shows how shallow and ignorant you really are.Your commenting on people and your perception of their cars ,its “Nothing” to do with this engine at all…..

    Sad sad men! Your ignorance is astounding!

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    If your not knowledgeable about the engine and its dynamics then go discuss something you are capable of!

  • BK

    i will make sure that i am the first person to drive this supercharged falcon. What it costs i will do it.

  • Wheelnut

    Mmmmm… you may be interested to know that when the Koenigsegg was released and broke the record for the wolrd’s fastest production car – it used a Ford V8 engine not a Ferrari or a Merc-Benz or even a Lexus but a trusty reliable Ford {Pushrod] V8

  • Wheelnut

    Then theres the 2006 Spec SSC Ultimate Aero which was also a Ford – [From wikipedia]

    The engine in the base Aero model was a Supercharged V8 Ford Small Block series engine rated at 1,062 hp (792 kW) at 6600 rpm and 1,001 ft·lbf (1,357 N·m) at 5800 rpm, with the supercharger at 8 psi and running on 91 octane gasoline.
    The Ultimate Aero has increased engine displacement of 387 cu in (6.34 L) and increased boost of 14 psi, resulting in 1,146 hp (855 kW) at 6950 rpm and 821 ft·lb (1,113 N·m) at 6200 rpm, running on 91 octane gasoline.

  • Wheelnut

    The current SSC Ultimate Aero which is now the worlds fastest production car uses Twin Turbo 6.2 litre V8

    However; the car SSC are currently working is the the
    SSC-EV an “environmentally friendly: electric high performance sports car.
    The released specifications include using a 500 horsepower (373 kW) electric motor, with SSC also exploring the potential of using 2 engines in 2 or 4 wheel drive configuration.
    The SSC, once in production, will be the fastest electric car on the market.
    Not only does the Ultimate Aero EV have a range of 150-200 miles on a single charge, but SSC’s “Charge on the RunTM” onboard charging system allows for full battery recharges in as little as 10 minutes.

  • Wheelnut

    Realist – Money doesn’t always equal class… and it certainly can’t buy you any.

    However; it may interest you to know that [on average] there is more disposable imcome in Sydneys west than in the leafier more effluent suburbs on sydney’s North Shore as shown in a number of surveys done by the ABS and the ATO

  • Will

    Good grief, what an irrelevant pile of crap. I can’t believe Ford Australian division allowed the total waste of resources that created this wet dream for zeros. This is purely a club car with an old V8 and belt driven compressor bolted to the top. It would be more in place in the ’60′s.

    Why, when the brand has so many sorted performance variants available to it from Europe that are far better sorted and offer a degree of engineering the old taxi never can.

    How many kids are going to die in these things. Oh, and the insurance.

    Who is running the Ford Australia show, son of Klutz…

  • Tim

    Bogans.

  • High Horser

    The Koenigsegg argument doesn’t stand up.
    They put the internals in, only the block was ford.
    Blocks just house parts thats all, make no similarities

    Why do Aussie american cars feel flimsy after 3 years of ownership?
    Someone who loves falcon and Holdens please explain this too me.

    • Michael

      they don’t get over it – why do people feel the need to use insults and slurs and socioeconomic stereotypes when talking about a car which in this country sells more than any of the euro imports – but that is because they are better than the rest of the country how good it must be to look down from ivory towers upon the plebs… get over yurself…

  • Acfsambo

    Will, you call this an old V8. It is still being developed in the US. It has also been developed from scratch, so if you call this and old engine, what do you call a new engine?

  • Elitist

    Wheelbut was it you who told us you used to own an Audi then swapped it for a Holden SS and was happy?

  • Mr Brooksy

    This is interesting. A 5L (down from 5.4L) V8. Anyone with a reputation says the 4L I6 is a great engine especially in Turbo form, but what will this new V8 engine be like? Will the supercharger be left for a HO? Or will the standard GT be given one as well?

    Is this going to be a crate engine or will FPV get to play with it? Is there more info on this V8 (eg Torque figures, KW etc?

    It will be interesting to see if the FPV can compete with the HSV that is a full 1.2L larger! Will it finally lift the FPV from a great performance sports sedan into the realm of exceptional? I think the team in Broadmeadows has what it takes, but the budget unfortunately will be the deciding factor.

  • Ant-Multi

    Will – what European Ford are you talking about??Oh thats right,none because there no Fords like this in Europe,fool buzz off and take tim the tool man as well.Elitist – NO ONE GIVES A STUFF ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS,and Ford dont want to impress a moron like you,you are another FIRST CLASS TOOL,mind telling us what you drive and were you live???The Realist – Real about what??Blue ribbon bullshit,that what you real about,go back to Oxford street.Sorry but It had too be said,GOOD WORK FORD.

  • Will

    Ant-Multi, I am not sure what angle to come at you first {nothing Gay implied). Well, to state the obvious there are no Falcons in Europe because they would not tolerate this piece of overweight stodge in the Ford line up.

    Now, about the Oxford Street slur, yes I am Gay.

    Ford American division is deemed a Gay friendly employer; Ford offers same partnership rights to both Gay/straight employees, and so do many other automotive companies. Wow, Ford have even successfully targeted their products a Gay demographic (the Focus readily comes to mind). Go figure…

  • Acfsambo

    Chad, first of all, you are just lowering other people’s thoughts about you by swearing. Second, yes you are allowed to have an opinion, but you are ignorant of the other side. Notice that all those who are saying the supercharged Falcon will be good or want to see how it goes havn’t said anything bad about the way European cars drive. We know how well they drive, but we also know how much money went into them to start off with and how much you pay for them.

    Also what is your definition of a bogan?

  • Bearing Cap

    It is amazing how alot of people here dont know anything about cars, so why are they here? Good on Ford for this car, I hope it gets to production, because there will always be a market for normal blokes who like great cars such as this is\will be. We dont all like little Jap crap european econo boxes and boring bland granny Toyotas, some of us like a great Aussie car like the FG Falcon amd its derivatives such as F6 and GT. Blokes who want something not so good go for Holden abd HSV, that is their choice. Someone here even had a go at the interior of the FG for being cheap……the same interior that has won praise for its quality and ergonomics from everyone else….yeah, lets believe that guy…..lol And the taxi reference pops up all the time from these same know-nothings. Well the way i see it is if the Falcon can be used for a wide range of uses such as taxi, family car, performance car, work car then that shows what a versatile vehicle it is. Many brands of car are used as taxis all over the world so your stupid point is meaningless.

    • KingBogan

      Blokes who want something not so good go for Holden abd HSV.

      What an outstanding observation !.
      Although sales figures of FPV vs HSV would disagree. Oh, and so would export figures. But then you must be an authority on the subject.

  • Ant-Multi

    Will – Firstly I did not call you gay,I called The Reailist Gay,He stated “Does the average Aussie want to be affiliated with the big mac eating hippos in Sydney’s west who aspire to own these cars?”(Implying Bogons)so I replied with the Opposite social demograffic,(Implying Gays)Its not a pay ouy on gays,it a pay out on him.Typical for your fear to show so fast when I didn;t even refer to you and you want to link yourself to it,so again BUZZ OFF,I dont like people who Insinuate BS on me because of there own fear.

  • http://bent Millatime

    Chad

    Feel free to post your opinions, but like you they are completely worthless.

    Infact each and every one of your abusive posts only demonstrates how completely out of your depth you are here, and worse, also perfectly illustrates to the world the depth of your ignorance.

    You are a fool and your monumental stupidity is breathtaking.

  • Will
  • Acfsambo

    Chad, if this were a post about an M3 (which it isn’t), people would not say its crap, just that its out most peoples price range. Chad, when and what was the last Falcon/Commodore you drove so we can clarify what you are calling crap?

    All I can say is can BMW or Merc or any other euro car company build a car for as little money as Ford did with the Falcon and get the same performance and versatility (Family Sedan, Performance Car, Work Car, Tradies Car, ect.)?

  • D

    Chad wrote: Well the bogan thing is abit of a sh@t stir to be quite honest, I am actually very accepting of people i have many friends some wealthy, some not so, some gay, some str8, and some from a diverse range of cultures But you know what when someone gets personal I lose total respect for them so I have no problem with swearing at them and to be honest I generally don`t swear alot but I don`t have big problem with it when appropriately used and in the right context and as far as bagging out Fords and Holdens I seriously think they are rubbish and if this was a post about lets say a BMW M3 and you thought they were crap, I`d just say oh well in my opinion I think they are a great car and I guess most people commenting about them wouldn`t know, now where did i mention you in that comment

    That is one LONG sentence- learn to use the fullstop key.

  • D

    It just makes your posts very hard to understand,they seem to go all over the place.

  • boss315

    anyone notice the drivers seat is on the left

  • Andrew M

    Ive always thought the GT should be N/A, and the GTP S/C.

    The GTP buyers need more grunt to go with their extra kit.

    Those saying Falcons dont handle have no idea.
    We are not still in 1990.
    These things handle very well in general, and exceptionally well when you consider their size.

  • Andrew M

    I believe you are mistaken Boss

  • boss315

    mayb my eyes are playing up

  • boss315

    wait a minute he leaning forward

  • Andrew M

    Boss,
    Yep
    you can see the seat belt also being pulled forward.

    If you want to spring a LHD, have a look at the latest T6 spy shots.
    Me thinks that black bugger is LHD though

  • boss275

    there were rumours of a gtho ,but i heard they scrapped it due to the money,but heres what we were all waiting for /awesome!!

  • Spetty

    Realist and Elitest.Lucky the internet allows you to be whoever or whatever you want to be.Because in the real world i doubt you two would amount to much.

  • Wheelnut

    Elitist Says:
    June 13th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
    Wheelbut was it you who told us you used to own an Audi then swapped it for a Holden SS and was happy?

    Elitist – making a comment like that shows how much attention you pay to what other people are saying or what has been said on this site.. you just come on here and make off topic and usually insulting comments your narrow minded ignorant arrogant holier than thou attitude

    Because although I have driven a number of Audis; I have never actually owned one – and apart from the S5 or R8 wouldn’t want to because apart from their Quattro AWD system they are essentially noting more than over rated and overpriced VWs.

  • Jason

    People are making very unrealistic comparisons on here. The two major things to take into account when looking at cars is the cost & volumes involved.

    The falcon is a relatively cheap car. It is very big for the money. People make all sorts of ridiculous comparisons to cars with completely different quality/equipment setups. Whilst an M5 is comparable in size to a Falcon, it is a much dearer car ($80k with $100k+ of go fast gear). And whilst a Evo/STi are fast 4WD cars, they are $20k cars with $45k of go fast.

    Plus don’t forget the number one factor in automotive. Volumes. How many cars do Ford/FPV/Holden/HSV produce compared with BMW/Audi/Subaru/Mitsubishi etc? The economies of scale are very very different. FPV and HSV are hand built cars. The volumes are extremely low. Compare the volumes to STI/EVO volumes, or even American performance divisions. They have a very small number of vehicles to spread their tooling & development costs over. Making the changes they do fairly limited.

    This is all typical of the Australian automotive industry trying to do a lot with a relatively small amount of money compared with the heavy weight global competitors. People give this industry a hard time. And forget the fact that it really is David vs Goliath. We are very lucky to have the vibrant sports divisions we do. Life would be very dull if all we had was imported whitegoods vehicles from Toyota!

    • KingBogan

      Here Here …

  • Wheelnut

    Elitist Says:
    June 13th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
    Wheelbut was it you who told us you used to own an Audi then swapped it for a Holden SS and was happy?

    Elitist – making a comment like that shows how much attention you pay to what other people are saying or what has been said on this site.. you just come on here and make off topic and usually insulting comments your narrow minded ignorant arrogant holier than thou attitude

    Because although I have driven a number of Audis; I have never actually owned one – and apart from the S5 or R8 wouldn’t want to because apart from their Quattro AWD system they are essentially noting more than over rated and overpriced VWs.. not to mention the cost of repairs

  • Wheelnut

    Chad says: But you know what when someone gets personal I lose total respect for them so I have no problem with swearing at them and to be honest I generally don`t swear alot but I don`t have big problem with it when appropriately used and in the right context

    Aaahhh…. when where and how can you use any form of swearing or offensive language in the right context?

    BTW need I remind you we only got “personal” after you resorted to the personal insults etc.. If you were able to think and hold a civilised discussion none of this would have happened.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Quote ” Will Says:
    June 13th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Good grief, what an irrelevant pile of crap. I can’t believe Ford Australian division allowed the total waste of resources that created this wet dream for zeros. This is purely a club car with an old V8 and belt driven compressor bolted to the top. It would be more in place in the ’60’s.”

    What are you on ? Loads of manufacturers are using Superchargers for performance these days including the Germans !

    Quote ” Why, when the brand has so many sorted performance variants available to it from Europe that are far better sorted and offer a degree of engineering the old taxi never can.””

    In what RWD? and puts out 375kws ?

    Quote “How many kids are going to die in these things. Oh, and the insurance.””

    No more than they are in ricers already!

    There is an old saying “better to remain quiet and let them think your a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

    Quote ” Bearing Cap Says:
    June 13th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    It is amazing how alot of people here dont know anything about cars, so why are they here?”

    Yep I wonder that myself,perhaps they enjoy embarrassing themselves :)

  • BK

    im goin on monday to book an appointment to have a drive in one of these supercharged vehicles. Mate of mine who works at the Ford Proving ground in Lara says theres a few of these cars goin around the track. So it looks like i will be the first to have a spin in this car and all you guys on here wont. Hahahah. Only if you people had freinds that work at the test track..

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    BK Says:
    June 13th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    im goin on monday to book an appointment to have a drive in one of these supercharged vehicles. Mate of mine who works at the Ford Proving ground in Lara says theres a few of these cars goin around the track. So it looks like i will be the first to have a spin in this car and all you guys on here wont. Hahahah. Only if you people had freinds that work at the test track.

    mmmmmmmmmm I have a friends………..and you have buckley\’s babe. My (.)(.) are bigger than yours remember hahaha

    Guy from Ford I know is mates with the bloke who lives next to the track and hears this thing all the time !

  • BK

    BM you wouldnt even know where Lara is.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Ive known about this car before this came up on the site BK,now how would I know that unless I knew where my dear !

    Its not the only one they’re testing either :P

  • Ant-Multi

    Chad – You say You would defend the country,but you won’t defend our munufacturing industry or our jobs and you also hope the our unique aussie car culture dies,Goose,so what do you stand for???,you claytons aussie,seems your the type who would be hiding, sucking your thumb crying for your mummy.

  • BK

    You didnt know anything about this car BM. You still dont know where Lara is.

  • http://bent Millatime

    Chad,

    This is far from an appropriate place for a bit of language, do you need to be told that?

    I would’ve loved to have served with you, I would guarantee you would’ve become pink mist during the 1st contact, and it wouldn’t be from the enemy, it’d be from the boys in your own platoon.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    BK your being silly…………I did know about this car before and about previous models coming form Ford before it was on this site or released to the media,sorry if you dont have the right connections :P

    Read ” Bavarian Missile (.)(.) Says:
    June 12th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Adam Im not interested in looking at mules,I want to hear if they have heard the Coyote testing at the track…….””

    That was on this blog before this thread existed!

    http://www.caradvice.com.au/32617/2012-ford-ranger-t6-advanced-prototype-spied/

    Now tell me how you think your getting a drive of this Monday cause Im eager to hear ??????????

  • Acfsambo

    I have no problem with people swearing, but there are people who can read this that are easily influenced (children), so think about you are writing before you click submit comment.

  • Wheelnut

    Nice one Millatime

  • http://bent Millatime

    Jason sums it all up perfectly, both HSV and especially FPV produce fantastic cars for their price point, no-one can deny that and retain any credibility.

    There cettainly are cars that out perform them, but look at the sticker price for those machines, the asking is two, three and even four times as much or more.

    It simply comes down to this; bang for your buck, and in those terms the locally built cars are almost untouchable.

    The fact that so many Euro badge snobs on here seek to denigrate the locals clearly shows how threated they must feel as the locals get closer and closer all the time.

    Keep doing a brilliant job Ford and FPV – superb!

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Millatime Ive sent the crew from CA an email on him ,let him self combust before hes banned!

  • Miniskip

    So the fact that – in the case of the VE Commodore;
    a number of international motoring journalists from all over the world who write articles for some or the most reputable and respected car magazines and have driven more cars from all over the world than you or I would in our lifetime have commented on how well the Holden Commodore [PontiacG8 / Vauxhall VXR8] performs handles etc and how fun it is to drive means nothing to you…. not to mention the awards the Holden has won both here and overseas

  • Acfsambo

    Though technically Ford Aus and GM-H are not Australian, they only employ in Australia and all profits and money stays in the country (at least with the profits). Also what major parts of the Falcon are made outside this country besides the transmission (which is one of the best) and diff? They make the chassis, engine, body panels and source as much materials as possible from Australia.

  • SamR

    Ford need to phase out the Falcon ASAP and gear up for the Focus and maybe Fiesta FASTER then they are doing.

    I have the Focus but an Australianised one with lots of local content and design could be very good.

    I would buy one and I used to be a Holden guy (back in the day)

  • SamR

    That should be

    “I HATE the Focus but an Australianised one with lots of local content and design could be very good.”

    PS why can’t we edit our own posts?

  • BK

    Its simple BM ONLY past people who have worked at Fords Product engineering are allowed to go to Fords proving grounds. Now BM I was an employer at Product engineering from 1990 to 1996 working in Maintenance as a Fitter. My job was to also work with all the engineers who where involved in development and testing of vehicles. It makes it even better if you still have mates who still work there and can give you more details about whats goin on in the place. One of my mates who lives up the road from me is a electrician and he tells me a lot of whats goin on there and I always see him comin home in a GT Falcon or a Typhoon. And i bet you are still wandering where is Lara.

  • Miniskip

    Having said that I believe that the Ford Falcon is of equal build quality to that of the VE and should be exported if not at least built and sold elsewhere in the world – as that’s what will most likely happen with the VE Commodore when GM-H has completed their restructuring process.

    Because Ford Oz has a lot of potential to offer Ford US etc just like Holden does

    As for the end of Holden – that looks less likely because if you care to read the article about the new CEO at GM it states that as part of the bankruptcy deal

    the “Old GM” will be able to sell its assets to the “New GM” leaving the “Old GM” with all the debts and other liabilities.. which it will pay off overtime. They will be two seperate legal entities

  • Wheelnut

    Lara; isn’t she with Michael Clarke at the moment and therefore most likely in the UK whilst Pup is playing in the 20-Twenty Championship?

  • Elitist

    Chad don’t bother multi and wheelbut , wheelbutt has been my form of entertainment ever since he spelled Alpha Romeo instead of Alfa Romeo.

    And Multi? This guy makes me laugh….tell him … tell him I said ….”hi”….!

  • Jazza @ Ford

    haha your dreaming BK

    Only ford employees are aloud to drive there because you need to hold a defensive driving course. You wont be driving NO new falcon thats for sure

  • BK

    Shes had to many bingles lately. They might use her as a speed bump or crash test dummy in the new falcons

  • Chad

    Well it wouldn`t be real hard to offer America something now would it, but considering they tend to look after themselves first, I doubt Holden will be in the picture, more likely bought buy China and for Ford importing the Taurus.

  • Wheelnut

    I’d honestly hate to see any of the Local manufafturers leave Australia… yes even Toyota.
    Because as soon as one leaves the pries the Local parts suppliers charge the remaining 2 will increase and that could force one of them to leave.

    However; if any of them WERE likely to go I think it would be Toyota because they build [2] cars which are cidentical to cars that Toyota builds elsewhere in the world.. and if times get tougher its more likely that Toyota could consider ceasing production in Australia and importing the cars from overseas for that reason..
    Not only that but having numerous plants; working at les than 70% building identical cars is one of the reasons GM are in trouble

    People like to think that Toyo-Oz is more important to Toyo-kyo than Holden is to GM or Ford is to Ford-US.
    However; if that’s the case why didn’t they do a similar thing to what Holden did with the VE?
    That is put forward a case to Tokyo to show them that they could build a completely new car which would be an additon to their international line up instead of having to modify a car/platform from overseas
    They could have made it RWD [which is what Tom Phillips wanted to do with the Mitsubishi 380] which would have helped imprve Toyotas image and their sales etc.

    But as I said I wouldn’t want any of them to leave because once we lose our Automotive industry we will never get it back.

  • High Horser

    Whats interesting is how Lexus was using a quad cam V8 in the early 90′s when Ford was getting pumped by Nissan using an Armour Guard truck engine.

    Ford should bring back a small retro cute car based on the Cortina rather than wasting it’s time building sedans for slobs.

    • Jack

      The same ‘armour-guard’ V8 truck engine (it was never designed for trucks, but rather to power Falcon/Fairlane, so totally passenger use) is a nice piece of work, it’s revolutionary thin wall casting allowed it to be lighter than contemporary sixes on release, and only 2kg heavier than the GM alloy V8!

      It was stroked, it was given deep breathing heads, it was made to rev past 7000, it was mated with alloy, made in alloy, restricted in 2v form for torque and economy, was proved to be absolutely unbustable, survived trillions of miles of abuse; it won national championships, Bathurst, Le Mans, countless motor races.

      Holden have also proved that pushrod V8′s are a product that still have a great demand.

      I have no doubt that the Lexus V8 is great, but to own two of the Windsor V8s, is bliss.

  • omgwot

    mmm sounds like a fun drive

    :)) Chad to you own a Tiida?

  • BK

    Hey jazza read properly what i said. Did i ever mention that i drive all the cars at the test track. Who says I cant go around the speed bowl with 3 other engineers. Even Marin Burela who was Stamping Plant manager at Ford in Geelong in my time at Ford will allow me to go there. The guy used to live in Bell Post Hill back in the 90s and I was only a few streets away from him. We are all still good mates and we chat once in a while when hes in town.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Thankyou Jazza……..just been chatting to a mate that works at Ford and he said the same thing.

    Get over the Lara thing already , its no secret !

    So BK what have you been able to find out about this new engine and the HO cancellation ? You heard any more than me? Im trying to find out what kws this will have !

    Perhaps your ties are better than mine though!

  • Ben Richards

    Wow, how did this huge fight break out over a car??? Let me put things into perspective, if you are aspiring to own this supercharged V8 falcon you are quite simple a Bogan, simple. Maybe if you studied harder at school and had a job that paid a little better than the salaries bunnings offers you could afford a quality car from our European friends. And elitist…..behind you 100%, Australia would be a great place if Holden and ford just died and we only could choose from BMW and FIAT/Alfa (and I also welcome an offering of japans automobiles)……good day to you all……

  • Wheelnut

    This isn’t “The new Falcon” its a test mule a Prototype as Ford are testing the new V8 engine to see how it goes with the current Falcons gearbox diff suspension and brakes etc.. They will then add/replace various parts with other more robust components until they get the balance and everything else right..

    The engine is expected to be featured in the new Falcon in 2010 However; I doubt that “Joe Average” will be allowed to drive it as the engineers etc will be too busy crunching numbers and making adjustments/improvements etc

  • Elitist

    Does anyone remember the Ford Predator?
    Now this class just oozed ‘class’.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    ‘Hey jazza read properly what i said. Did i ever mention that i drive all the cars at the test track’

    mmmmmmmmmmm seems you did BK………….

    Quote ” BK Says:
    June 13th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    im goin on monday to book an appointment to have a drive in one of these supercharged vehicles.”

  • High Horser

    I think Wheelnut is right, Joe Averages will love this car alot and its new refinements.

  • http://www.v8supergeek.com Luke

    351kw GT maybe? This will kill HSV’s current limited and lacklustre offering. More power, more economical, better handling… but you can bet HSV already have something in the works that will match it. I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t crack and release a twin turbo or similar V6 soon as well.

  • Wheelnut

    Ben Richards – Just because someone didn’t go to uni doesn’t mean that they don’t earn as much as someone in an Armani Suit – in some cases they actually earn more.

    Not only that but given that there is a skills shortage in Australia [which is expected to get worse] particularly in relation to trades such as brickies chippies sparkies etc its most likely that they are going to be able to charge/earn even more because there are those who wouldn’t even dream of doing any form of manual labour

    So like the others on here who constantly make derogatory comments on about Ford and Holden as well as the people who own/drive them you are full of assumptions not facts

  • Elitist

    Ford was good in the 50′s because it gave European migrants jobs when Holden refused too… Fords best sellers are their European small cars, not their sedans. that says somthing.

    • Jack

      Ford were even better in the 1960′s when the Windsor-built 5 litre motor won two Le Mans races in a row, privateers and not the factory teams either, :) rubbing the floor with Europe’s best. They won the two years prior with a 7.0L Ford big block… They can achieve magnificence when they put their minds to it.

      So, we now have another Ford 5.0L, built in Windsor again (?) I think. Bring it on.

      I think if you look at current sales figures (where? Here, USA, Asia, Europe? You don’t specify…) in Australia, Ford sells more of the Australian sedan based product.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    hahaha the ignorant are keeping me smiling on this thread.

    quote ” Australia would be a great place if Holden and ford just died and we only could choose from BMW and FIAT/Alfa (and I also welcome an offering of japans automobiles)”

    Soooooooooooo what you cant buy them now? Fiat and Alfa ,a shudder just went up my spine!

    Let me put things into perspective, if you are aspiring to own this supercharged V8 falcon you are quite simple a Bogan, simple. ”

    If you aspire to a Blown merc your a CUB,A Cashed Up Bogan then?

    Quote ” Maybe if you studied harder at school and had a job that paid a little better than the salaries bunnings offers you could afford a quality car from our European friends.”

    aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrr an infernal student that drives a 1962 Combie I bet! Who the hell do you think you are ? Some of us do drive European and still enjoy the rawness that Ozzie cars bring……….Everyone that works at Bunnings and can afford a 70k GT say aye…………If you studied harder you would have known where to put Capital letters!

  • Ant-Multi

    Chad – Falcon and Commodore are world class and made here,Der.On multiculture(A subject I have researched) every world empire in history has colapased when they becoame too diverse,diverse also means division which is opposite to Unity,Mutliculture is Anti-unity.Why do you think were the highest taxed country in the western world NO UNITY,Australia should be Multi-Racial county,not Multi-Cultural different people united under one Culture,Thats reaily how Australia was until stupid politicians gave us muticulture and now every multiculural group is polite too everyones elses face but when the doors close the true feeling come out.ITs human nature too fear somthing different,this is the reason Multiculture will has never and will never work for the people only for the tax man.Before you call people closed minded you should learn to read between the lines,son and find out more about the world than what you were taught in our joke of an education system.Do you agree that the people of Nepal deserve there own country and culture.So you dont reaily stand for division do you.Support your countrys auto industry cudd,then you might live down the clayton aussie tag.

  • High Horser

    Luke I’m reporting you.

    Unless you admit the Leyland P76 deserves to be part of your V8 website.

  • BK

    Yo BM its a test track and they just test test and test there. They work on various parts of the car to make it better than previous model. Last time i was there for an hour a couple of the motor mechanics where drivin some of the new FGs and doin a few laps of the speed bowl to see how it handles and make adjustments to the engineers specs. Theres so many things goin on in that place that everybody follows there own instructions and management are the only ones who push all the buttons in that place. If any of you guys want to get a good close up of the new falcon come down to geelong and you might find a few models out on the streets and highways. I know a lot of em travel up and down the Great Ocean road. Geelong the home of the Ford Falcon

  • Ant-Multi

    Is that all you can say cudd,STUMMPED Its plane too see your way out of your depth son.You would be the first one on a plane outa here if you had to serve to joke around is ok but one day you may be forced too look at yourself in the mirror,son,you poor mixed up puppy.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    yeah yeah yeah I know that BK…………..My mate at the factory takes home new stuff,I want to know if you have heard whats the expected kws out of this ?

  • Wheelnut

    Luke says: 351kw GT maybe? This will kill HSV’s current limited and lacklustre offering.”

    What makes you say that? because as i said previously Holden-HSV have access to the following V8 options

    7.0 Litre LS-7 in the ZO6 Corvette produces 505Bhp = 380Kw
    Supercharged 6.2 Litre LS-9 in the ZR1 Corvette produces 638Bhp = 475Kw
    Supercharged 6.2 Litre LS-3 in the Caddie CTS-V produces 556Bhp = 410Kw

  • BK

    whos yu mate at the factory BM and what plant does he work at. Power in the cars nobody knows.

  • Minnow

    A lot of baggers on this blog, mostly people who pretend to have european cars.. This falcon will be astonishing to drive and i would rather this over a euro barge of equal performance any day because the depreciation of one of them in 3 years would be the same value as this FPV! Take this, a $241000 M5 is worth around 100000 3 years later, you could buy 2 FPVs for that. Some people are really clueless on here. a $50k G6ETurbo accelerates between 80 and 120 as fast as a 911 Turbo. These taxis are punching in a class well above their weight with safety that is equal to the best from europe. For the people who want ford/holden to stop building these cars and replace them with little 4cyl buzz boxes, i wouldnt buy a little 4cyl because theyre sluggish, struggle to carry their own weight and sound rubbish. People that have to have a euro branded car to feel more important are obviously low in self esteem and require belongings that because of marketing, conned them into believing they’re more important by owning one or because they want people to envy them… Get a grip of yourselves. There’s nothing that is as satisfying as driving a big turbo six (v8 in this matter) with so much power in reserve that its effortless to overtake, to merge with traffic or to simply entertain yourself. Drive one and feel the proper shove in the back that makes you say, HOLY SHIT as you whip past 100, that never gets boring. I could never justify paying quadruple the price of my G6ET to get a eurocar that is no better in anyway.

    • Herpes Simples Virus (HSV)

      someone that finally talks a bit of sense, makes a refreshing change

  • http://www.v8supergeek.com Luke

    High Horser: haha yeah no worries, I’ll make the Leyland an “Image of the Day” some time for laughs.

    Wheelnut: please read my full comment to answer your own, although the sentence you highlight does say “current offering” – not what they supposedly have access to.

  • Ant-Multi

    Chad – We get along just fine as we love and respect each other as fellow human beings,good to see,tis poeple that make the world go round,pulling together is easer than pulling aginst oneanother.You dont have to like Aussie cars,but being an Aussie,you dont have to continually put shit on them either,Please.

  • the fact

    peanut
    stop talking rubbish.Toyota Camry is world car.so Toyota Australia can export any country on earth.your crap dinosaurs are not.they cannot export.they selling around 3000 units a month(80% to fleets) and one dinosaur losing money for 4 years.
    don’t hard to see these dinosaurs are the first to go and sooner than you bogans think.

  • Chad

    OK Ant-Multi I won`t say anything more about them I probably am scarred by my bad experiences with FORD compared to others but I do agree I have said enough about them and some of the clowns on here and if the clowns on here think its me giving in its not, this has consumed way too much of my time, this sh@t is addictive.

  • Wheelnut

    I know that Luke but this engine isn’t being offered in any of FPVs “current offerings” now is it?
    They are developing it for the upcoming range of FPVs that is to produce more power to beat the current HSVs.. which it will until the next updated range of HSVs are released.

    Therefore; it will become a “new offering”.

    A as a result HSV will most likely develop the LS-3 a bit more [as its still got potential] or use one of the other engines that I mentioned from the USA to use in one of their “new offerings” in an attempt to beat the FPV with the Coyote engine – which as you can see is quite possible

  • 05XR8

    Wheelnut:

    Correct, HSV may have access to these motors

    7.0 Litre LS-7 in the ZO6 Corvette produces 505Bhp = 380Kw
    Supercharged 6.2 Litre LS-9 in the ZR1 Corvette produces 638Bhp = 475Kw
    Supercharged 6.2 Litre LS-3 in the Caddie CTS-V produces 556Bhp = 410Kw

    But have you noticed Holden/HSV juct keep increasing the engine capacity from the original 5.7 litre rather than fine tuning like Ford do, Ford is still based on the 330ci Boss 260

    One last thing, Ford is looking to beat HSV with a 5 litre engine not a 6.2 or 7 litre boat anchor

  • thenameless

    The Fact, as a matter of fact Camry is produced in multiple locations around the world. Focus is a world car (except US) So what’s your point?
    Commodore’s platform is used for the Camaro, and could be used for other was it not for GM’s woes.
    Same for Falcon. Had it not been for some thick headed stupidity in Ford US, Falcon/ Territory platform would have been the basis for Mustang and all Ford RWD models.

    So cut the rubbish.

  • andronicus

    I always thought that was the biggest problem with the Falcon – too falconish.

    I think the new Commodore looks too much like a Holden also. When will designers learn!

    So so many idiots.

  • Will

    Lets in these tight economic times look at evolving a formula that Ford Australia already does well, polish the machine and expand a potential demographic, and if a little lucky even open new doors.

    A 375 Kw. petrol RWD is just not relevant. Forget Bavarian Missile, his mind set is of black and white, a low bar variety that harps back to the early ’60′s. In effect he is not relevant.

    View a fine machine; the FPV F6. It is a machine that our engineers have put together very well. It has already collected accolades amongst those who know. Those whom were involved with the development of this machine can feel proud.

    Now, how can this machine be further refined, not only to become a performance car, but to become a marque of note. Look at composites, alloys, ceramics. If you want to view a significant leap dynamics perhaps view the adoption, interpretation and engineering of a durable AWD system. The current spec power plant already offers enough to progress the machine at a rate of knots. If properly executed our engineers/project men could lift the Falcon to another level, that where it can be seriously taken as a world performance car with pedigree. After a period of evolution a world class CDI might be adopted/ developed giving access to a world market.

    The alternative, just another hot rod that Bavarian Missile predictably advocates. Not very smart.

    The world is an amazing place.

  • Acfsambo

    Why do people keep saying the Falcon should go AWD? Would you ever want the M3/M5 or C63 to go AWD? Didn’t think so. RWD is the best layout for this type of car. FWD for small car/engine setup, AWD for small/medium cars with a lot of power, and RWD for the larger cars.

  • High Horser

    Will,
    What I was saying before was that Ford should be aiming for a smaller, more efficient V8 base instead of bolting on inefficient power parts. Over time this new V8 could evolve just like the Lexus V8 did.

    Alot of ppl here are unaware of the worlds issues and harp back to their bathurst, wasteful days.

  • Roddy

    05XR8
    Increasing engine capacity, like supercharging and turbocharging is a means to an end result…that end result being more power and speed.
    There is a lot to be said for naturally aspirated engines, not everybody is interested in forced induction.

  • BK

    Sounds like all you guys in here think you know what Ford will do with there new V8. Im off to the Ford Proving ground on monday. I got Justin pickin me up in the morning in a GT falcon and gonna catch up with 2 other mates up there. No cameras allowed inside premises.

  • Frenchie

    Supercharge Commodore already done!
    Look up G8 Firehawk on you tube.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMRe2cO3D8s

  • Acfsambo

    People are worrying about its fuel economy, but to truthful, how many of these cars in retrospect will have the supercharger compared to how many wont? Also maybe they have made the engine as efficient as possible for now and instead of increasing capacity and totally redesigning the engine they are using forced induction.

  • Pat E

    BK said:
    “Sounds like all you guys in here think you know what Ford will do with there new V8. Im off to the Ford Proving ground on monday. I got Justin pickin me up in the morning in a GT falcon and gonna catch up with 2 other mates up there. No cameras allowed inside premises.”

    Gawwwwd, i might aswell tell everyone that i’m going to Area 51 to see the alien that landed in Roswell, but sorry, i can’t take a photo and prove ti to you all. LOL

    This car is definately relevant these days. Ford Australia have to show they are still a brand for the Enthusiasts – Particularly FPV. The development of this car would not be a huge expense considering the technology isn’t exactly ground breaking.

    Ford Europe and Ford Australia are already working on low emission fuel economic vehicles. Ford Performance Vehicles aren’t there to do that. People have to realise that they are two different companies. FPV simply use the falcon as a donor car.

    Its simple really, if you aren’t after this sort of thing, son’t buy it. Just don’t criticise it because you have a different point of view.

    If everyone wanted small economical cars or simply pure luxury cars there would be no Ferrari, Ascari, Lambo, Zonda etc etc – what sort of world would that be!!!!

  • BK

    Pat E
    I used to work in the place years ago. Product engineeing
    employers from past are all allowed to go to the proving grounds with an appointment only. Just letting you know this. Sorry mate to disapoint you

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Heads up BK,only an idiot would relay their sources,after all the whoha that went on with the Cobras unveiling.

    Ford have become tighter with their security since shots were taken at the Factory of the Cobras before their release.

    You get found out working for Ford and telling tales your job is gone! Bad move telling people whos picking you up and the rest of the info for tomorrow,wont take Ford long to work out who you are……….They read this site !

    “BK Says:
    June 14th, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    Sounds like all you guys in here think you know what Ford will do with there new V8. Im off to the Ford Proving ground on monday. I got Justin pickin me up in the morning in a GT falcon and gonna catch up with 2 other mates up there. No cameras allowed inside premises. ”

    Ill be interested to see what you can tell us tomorrow after your visit and “DRIVE” .

    So no, Ill not divulge the people I know at Ford to protect them .

    Will, go read up on this engine and what its capable of {without the so called Hot Rod treatment you call it} or at least read the story you may learn something!

    This is a step up from the previous 5.4 and if Im not wrong forced induction seems to be quite prevalent with current manufactures world wide,this engine is more sophisticated than you give it credit for.

    AWD…………..hahaha WHY ? BMW dont need it ? Too much cost and weight,part of the idea of going for this is too ditch weight from the previous 5.4 ! I hope they now will be able to provide a 50/50 weight distribution with the next model now.

    Then again if you cant see Im female why should I expect you to understand anything else ?

  • Wheelnut

    BK – Wheels and Motor magazine never name their contacts within Holden or Ford – they merely refer to them as insiders.. because if they named who their connections were its very likely that that person will get the sack for leaking confidential information etc.

    The only time a person from Holden or Ford is named in the press is because its an official event media release or interview which has been sanctioned by management

    Given that you have named your “mates” at Ford and what they do etc. if you comes back with any info that only those inside Ford should/would know then Ford can trace it back and his “mates” will lose their jobs

    When it comes to development of a new car etc; The industry works on a “need to know” basis.. and as far as Ford are concerned with this car / this engine; BK you don’t need to know the details of the car / engine

    Sure we won’t really know whether whatever you come back with is true or not [that is if you do go to the track and they allow you access]

    However; Ford will as they monitor all forms of media including blog sites like this to gauge public reaction [as does Holden] and if you mention anything that is regarded as being Top Secret.. your “mates” could be in alot trouble.

    If they get caught and they don’t lose their jobs I doubt they will tell you anything else as to whats going on at Ford in the future

    Sure you might know/findout something special as to what Ford is doing if so you should keep it a secret until the time is right now on this website isn’t/wasn’t the time

    You and your “mates” are taking a big risk BK; in an attempt for you to try and get one up on BM – because you don\’t like being shown up by a woman [as evident by your most recent childish comments]

  • Variable Cam Timing

    Cotote 5litre V8 with dual overhead cams 32 v around 300kw in std form. GM\Holden 6.2 litre V8 with antiquated pushrods and 16 v around 300kw in std form. Says it all really…….this new Ford V8 is miles ahead of the GM one, just as Ford cars are miles ahead of GM cars in quality refinement handling interiors ergonomics reliability and credibility, no Daewoo crap from Ford………..

  • BK

    You got that absolutely right Variable . I do really enjoy my pick of car at any time of the day even tomorrow and the week after

  • Andrew M

    Well, what a lot of speak about nothing.

    Anyone who likes their motorsport might find the 60 minutes interview with Marcus Ambrose entertaining.

    7:30 tonight. (well in Qld anyway)

  • Old CarAdvice Reader

    Ahhhhhhhh

    Spy photos of Falcons with car bras on Car Advice.com.au. It brings back memories from 2007 when I was waiting for the “Orion” to come out, now it’s “Coyote” I’m waiting for.

  • Andrew M

    Old CarAdvice Reader,
    ha ha ha ha
    Thats what brought me to this site in the first place too.

    I waited for the “Orion”, now I own an “Orion”, Now whats next……

  • Ben

    Holden/hsv are gonnas lol, love it. So good to see that ford n fpv can finally get serious in the v8 department. Hope it works out, n cant wait til july next year

  • thiswilleathsv

    THIS CAR IS THE DUCKS GUTTS.
    EVERY FALCON OUT THERE IS THE DUCKS GUTTS.
    FALCONS ARE JUST PLAIN F A N T A S T I C !

    THERE SIMPLY ” THE BEST ”

    WELL SAID TINA!

  • http://www.v8supergeek.com Luke

    Wheelnut said:
    I know that Luke but this engine isn’t being offered in any of FPVs “current offerings” now is it?
    They are developing it for the upcoming range of FPVs that is to produce more power to beat the current HSVs.. which it will until the next updated range of HSVs are released.

    Very good Wheelnut, it took you two of your own counter-posts to say exactly what I was originally saying. Please learn to read other people’s posts PROPERLY, its basic reading and comprehension ffs.

  • http://www.v8supergeek.com Luke

    Wheelnut, to save you scrolling… please read and understand it this time:

    351kw GT maybe? This will kill HSV’s current limited and lacklustre offering. More power, more economical, better handling… but you can bet HSV already have something in the works that will match it. I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t crack and release a twin turbo or similar V6 soon as well.

    Now, what was that last part about HSV I was saying again???

  • BK

    Smoke em up luke

  • t

    to all the morons asking why youd buy one…. bmw blah blah audi blah blah

    1. if something goes wrong with these ( as it does with euro trash ) they are cheap to fix.

    2. they are relitavely cheap to buy

    3. EUROPEANS LOVE THEM… watch top gear… they say the build quality of the VE hsv is fisher price… they are ugly as sin… BUT!!! they are cheap AND SHITLOADS of fun. half the price of the eurotrash.

    good on hsv if they respond with 500kw!!! so what… it makes OUR descisions better for when we buy new cars… keeps our brothers and sisters in jobs.

    I HATE commodores and their arrogrant macho teenage backwards hat drivers ( and the utes,black singlet, tattoo’d arms out the window ) who cannot stay behind anyone on the road and will risk lives to get in front by one car. Constantly having something to prove ( you all know im right! )

    but having said that… if there wasnt as much competition between the 2 brands we would still have EA falcons and VN commodores to buy new.

    FOR THE MONEY we have a great choice. immagine if there were no aussie taxis…. and we all had to buy base model beemers for 60 grand to carry our families in?

    i reckon we would all STILL be in those EAs and VNs!!!!

  • AUSSIE CAR FAN

    Its all about value for money.. Sure Ford and Holden could build cars to the same quality as any other car maker but the average Aussie isnt prepared to pay for it. At the moment (after traveling through Asia and Europe) i can honestly say hands down that we build the best cars for the money. I was telling our Euro brothers and sisters about the F6, and had to prove to them on the internet that these cars do exist and all for under 25,000 Euros. Hell i needed a turbo I6 just to remove their jaws from the floor

  • DesignEngr

    Fantastic news story to arrive to work to on a monday morning.

    Keep us up to date CA!

    (Couldn’t be bothered with any of the comments after the first few tossers though.)

  • FrugalOne

    My cousin inlaw use to work in the engineering dept. @ Tickford Engineering [now called FPV], i got all the “good-oil” on what was coming down the line and future production.

    The BEST thing/job they ever engineered was the dual-fuel LPG system!All for nothing, as Ford only supply mono-fuel [and a VERY poor system at that]

    This engine was signed off and approved more than 5 years ago, why the wait?

    Its alleged going to be installed in a rebirth of a limited edition SuperRoo aka GTHO $100k+ Falcon.

    Well that was the plan 5 years ago, not sure if this plan is still current.

    FPV have a whole bunch of interesting LPG systems in test, but we will be getting a upgraded injected system soon.

    Cheers

    F-0

  • Buck

    I’m extremly happy with my BF11 Typhoon and was getting all set to tee off on the latest FG F6 early in 2010.

    As a result of this blog I’ll keep my powder dry as although I’ve had a good drive of the latest F6 and its an incredible car, I’ve never met a kilowatt extra I didn’t like, so if there’s a 375KW or thereabouts supercharged GTHO in the offering next year, count me in.

    Ford / FPV For goodness sake bring back the extremly popular “blueprint” colour and equip the FG2 GTHO with the new eight speed ZF Automatic and the new Carbon / ceramic brakes currently under develolment by Brembo, (don’t skimp on ther running gear) but give us enthusiasts something to really enjoy, that will stand the test of time.

  • Sam-R

    I cant believe people are comparing Holden and Ford peformance cars to European peformance cars! I read a post earlier stating the prices of some of these. Yes if I could afford to spend $200-$300K on a car I’d buy the European one but the reality is Aussie HSV’s and FPV’s are great value for money. Out of the guys complaining here about how rubbish Aussie cars are how many can actually afford an M5 or AMG? If HSV’s and FPV’s were the same price as the European peformance cars then complain all you like, but since they’re not dont go on about it please, you just sound like bitchy little girls in the school yard.

  • HAL

    A question for the Ford-ophiles out there: why don’t they offer their Falcon range with the option of a sunroof? I’m not sure about the FPV models, but you can’t option a facotry fitted sunroof on an XR6T, for example. I know it’s not a critical piece of kit for a performance car, but it is a desirable option for a lot of people. Just seems weird and I can’t understand why they wouldn’t offer it? Any thoughts?

  • Shane

    Has anyone noticed the driver is on the left hand side????

    I couldn’t be stuffed going through all the comments.

  • DesignEngr

    Shane it is a RHD car. The driver has been “blotted” out.

  • Wheelnut

    Well maybe that’s an indication that Ford-US could be looking at or considering exporting the Falcon if not use the Falcons platform [complete with IRS] for the next gen Mustang

    I mena when they were developing the VE [G8] there were a number of LHD Commodores driving around the place

  • Shane

    DesignEngr,

    Maybe your right but when I looked back at the FG Orion spyshots all the drivers are in the RHS of the car with their faces blurred out. Why would someone go to the troubl of photo chopping the driver to the LHS of the car??? Just blur his face out like the other spy shots.

    Wheelnut,

    You could right also, we can only hope!! that would be fantastic for Ford Aus!!

  • The Realist

    The comments on here show why so many of you will always be relegated to driving a falcodore…

    Wheelnut Says:
    June 13th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
    “Realist – Money doesn’t always equal class… and it certainly can’t buy you any.”

    Hilarious, considering you think children and women should accept the use of words like “c##t” and “p###y” at Bathurst. You’re a vile uneducated creature mate, just like your friends at Bathurst.

    “However; it may interest you to know that [on average] there is more disposable imcome in Sydneys west than in the leafier more effluent suburbs on sydney’s North Shore as shown in a number of surveys done by the ABS and the ATO”.

    I’m not surprised. If someone was to check my personal finances they’d be shocked to see how little I actually earn. But I live in a seven figure home and drive a six figure car, as does my wife. Strange isn’t it?

    Spetty Says:
    June 13th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
    Realist and Elitest.Lucky the internet allows you to be whoever or whatever you want to be.Because in the real world i doubt you two would amount to much.

    That was harsh man, I mean really, I should report you.

    Millatime Says:
    June 13th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
    “Jason sums it all up perfectly, both HSV and especially FPV produce fantastic cars for their price point, no-one can deny that and retain any credibility.”

    Not if I want luxury. How come a Mazda 3 has sat nav and you can’t get it on any FPV? What about xenons? Even a humble fridge like a Corolla has those. Power adjustment for passenger’s seats? Premium audio and video? Voice activation? Do you want me to continue?

    “It simply comes down to this; bang for your buck, and in those terms the locally built cars are almost untouchable.”

    They are. And in terms of providing a bogan image, a cheap and nasty cabin experience, lack of any modern luxury features, and abysmal service they’re untouchable too.

    “The fact that so many Euro badge snobs on here seek to denigrate the locals clearly shows how threated they must feel as the locals get closer and closer all the time.”

    Not really – I just love seeing the heat on these forums, especially the devotion by plebs like you to our unproductive car manufacturing industry.

    Minnow Says:
    June 13th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
    “This falcon will be astonishing to drive and i would rather this over a euro barge of equal performance any day because the depreciation of one of them in 3 years would be the same value as this FPV! Take this, a $241000 M5 is worth around 100000 3 years later, you could buy 2 FPVs for that. Some people are really clueless on here.”

    But what plebs like you who have little minds fail to understand is that a person purchasing an M5 or RS6 would earn through various channels at least $35K to $40K per month – $5K in repayments, part of which is a tax deduction, is insignificant. And I bet they all received $900 from Krudd, just like me. Thanks for your taxes mate! And why would you not get a $100K M5 over a POS G6ET FPV ABC?

    BTW this comment of yours shows just where you stand in society:

    “People that have to have a euro branded car to feel more important are obviously low in self esteem and require belongings that because of marketing, conned them into believing they’re more important by owning one or because they want people to envy them… Get a grip of yourselves.”

    So all the high flyers out there who are earning $400K+ have low self esteem, and are obviously being conned by the automotive companies. They should be more like you and drive around a 100% American owned Aussie tax payer funded falcodore because they’re obviously better than any Euro?

    “I could never justify paying quadruple the price of my G6ET to get a eurocar that is no better in anyway.”

    That’s because you’ll always only be able to afford a big mac mobile.

  • Henry Fraud

    I have a 6 y.o. low km XR6T in factory trim that hasn’t run properly for the past 3 – 4 years despite visits to the dealers.

    Ford, can we trust u to at least get this right?

  • Wheelnut

    I never said that anyone should have to accept the use of swearing.
    I was merely responding to a comment someone made that they would never go to Bathurst because of the swearing etc

    What I said was that Bathurst isn’t the only place in Australia where people swear – they swear at the football in shopping centres even in schools [at teachers].

    Unfortunately though swearing has become a part of everydaay life. However; that doesn’t mean we have to accept it.. There are a number of things people can do such as walk away or report the offenders

    Swearing at someone is a form of personal attack as its intended to make the victim feel inferior and the offender feel somewhat superior. When all it really shows is that the offender is unable to express themselves in a polite civilised manner

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au/ alborz

    Stay on topic guys

  • Andrew M

    Shane,
    driver is on right.
    You can see he is merely leaning forward, and you can clearly see his seatbelt being pulled forward from the drivers side pillar

  • BK

    Awsome day had at the track. Now I know why geelong is the home of the supercharged Falcons.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    What that it ?

    No information ?

    How was the drive ?

    What did it look like under the bonnet?

    What type of blower is it?

    How many are there ?

    What else did you see ?

  • Wheelnut

    BK Ford don’t make super-charged Falcons at the moment do they? not only that but Geelong is a fair distance away from Lara

    BTW: Ford’s Sponsorship of the Geelong Cats is the longest running corporate sponsorship of a sports team in any competition in the world

  • BK

    lara is only 20km from CBD of geelong. Ford plant is about 15km

  • redmussie

    Guys to those who have not had the pleasure to own and drive a GT dont comment. The FG GT is a great car to drive and the new engine can only make a good car better. To those again who dont drive one keep your comments, this is one nice car from the superb transmission to the smooth power delivery. The poor old 5.4 has just about run its race but a good race. Please dont take the Aussie car away we just dont appreciate how good they are. Looking forward to new engine.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Im not interested in a tour of the country side,Tom Tom can do that!

    I want my questions answered!

  • Sam-R

    Redmussie – Great point! Its actually good to hear an opinion of an ACTUAL GT owner rather than the rants of individuals that could only dream of owning such a car. Not that I’m a Ford fan though but I appreciate the quality for price in this car as well as the GTS. I’d like to see the torque and other specs on this. I checked out the youtube link to the Pontiac supercharged G8 further up the posts and that thing does 22mpg. Cars are improving and this GT is no exception.

  • Wheelnut

    Geelong is where Ford build their engines and they also had a Ford Museum there.. but aren’t the Falcons built at Broademadows / Campbellfield [Ford OZ Headquarters]?

    Therefore; isn’t it actually Broadmeadows / Campbellfield that is home of the Falcons and not Geelong?

    Just as Elizabeth [SA] is the home of the Holden Commodore

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Come BK………Im waiting! What sort of boost are they using ?

  • BK

    Im wondering if they ever will bring out the supercharged falcon.

  • BK

    Ford (Geelong) have engine plant, Press shop, sub assembly, CTX head cast ,casting plant ,product enginnering, proving grounds. Anything else i havent missed Wheelnut

  • Alexis

    No – But the Falcon cars are assembled at the Factory in Broadmeadows/Campbellfield aren’t they?

    Therefore; Broadmeadows is the home of the [supercharged] Falcons NOT Geelong or Lara or Korne or Mildura.. at least it will be when they go into production

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    BK you tell us if they ever will ? Werent you there today ?

    FPV had the supercharged Jag engine {375kws} ear marked for the next GT but that was lost to Tata…………..this is its replacement! I thought you would know all this,dont you have ties in FPV like me??????????

    When we bought the BF Cobra almost 2 years ago discussions on the Supercharged GT including the HO were being made then.

    What do you know ?

  • BK

    Somebody has to make all the body parts. Geelong has to. Geelong is the home of the falcon. Engines are produced and assembled in geelong. I remember them runnin the engines on the hot test stand and you can hear em from CTX. The guy at personnell office must get annoyed hearin those engines redlining all day while he makes this phone calls. Arvo shift was thew best shift to work

  • Wheelnut

    That’s exactly what I was getting at Alexis – for a guy who was spruiking off about how he worked at Ford and he has connections at Ford not to mention that he was going to the track it appears that he isn’t saying much or doesn’t that know much about Ford and what they are doing etc

    Yes Ford-Oz was established in Geelong but the Falcons aren’t made there

  • Wheelnut

    Yeah but a what about the components for the Falcon that are made in Adelaide [not to mention the parts that are made overseas] does that mean that Adelaide is the Home of the Falcon too?

    The parts are made in different places however they are assembled into a Falcon Sedan/Ute in Broadmeadows…. The final product rolls off the line ready for sale/delviery at Broadmeadows.

  • BK

    So far we have geelong, broadmeadows and adelaide. Anywhere else

  • http://bent Millatime

    @ The Realist

    You should write comedy, or anything really, rather than expose your bias.

    Last time I checked FPV was firmly aimed at the performance market. We’re talking performance here, this is a story about performance, not luxury.

    Your point on the interiors is misjudged and you take me out of context, at their price point they stand supreme.

    These cars offer a driving experience that few can offer for the money. Certainly there are better cars around – but not for that money.

    But don’t get me wrong, I love European cars with a passion, it’s just their near vertical depreciation that’s always left me feeling a little short changed. It’s such a hassle to learn that your payout figure is 40, 50 or even 60K or more than your car is worth. If you’ve owned them you’ll know exactly what I’m talking about.

    BTW, all our farmers are tax payer subsidised, should we close them all down?

    What line of work are you in?

  • The Realist

    Millatime Says:
    June 15th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
    “Last time I checked FPV was firmly aimed at the performance market. We’re talking performance here, this is a story about performance, not luxury.”

    Well you need to tell your friends at Ford and FPV who market their upper end cars as ‘luxury expresses’.

    “These cars offer a driving experience that few can offer for the money. Certainly there are better cars around – but not for that money.”

    Depends on what you want out of a car. If you don’t want performance for $70K don’t purchase a falcon.

    “But don’t get me wrong, I love European cars with a passion, it’s just their near vertical depreciation that’s always left me feeling a little short changed. It’s such a hassle to learn that your payout figure is 40, 50 or even 60K or more than your car is worth. If you’ve owned them you’ll know exactly what I’m talking about.”

    I know exactly what you’re talking about, and I only ever made that mistake once. If you’re income stream can handle it, purchase new, otherwise a three year old German car is amonst the best car purchases around.

    “BTW, all our farmers are tax payer subsidised, should we close them all down?”

    Certain industries – yes.

    “What line of work are you in?”

    Consulting.

  • Buck

    Does anyone care to speculate or have any inside knowledge on what sort of numbers this new supercharged engine might be making ?

  • charles

    Just buy the Euro`s second hand, they are still light years ahead of any current model Australian car. Like why would you pay top dollar for an Australian built car when for the same money you can get into something decent.

  • Ben

    id like to see ford/fpv put one of these things in a territory, thatd be pretty sweet

  • Simple

    I find the replies amusing – with people comparing an FPV GT (or HSV R8) to European cars – both local cars (FPV and HSV) are sub 100K – both offer incredible performance plus little luxeries, both are a joy to drive and in my experience have offered good quality.

    How can you compare a car that costs less than 100K with an M3 or RS4 why not compare it to a MotoGP bike?

    As for the suggestions of buying a three year old Euro – good luck with that, but I want something that I enjoy driving, that handles well, but offers the convience of being able to comfortably seat 4 adules plus luggage. Just for the record 3 year old Euros still have problems and are out of warranty and cost more than the local cars for servicing/parts. If you didnt know that than obviously you have never owned one.

  • charles

    There is alot more to a great drive than str8 line performance, there is no use having all the power and not be capable of getting it to the ground. But I know for me its the standard features on my 2nd hand euro that make it more pleasurable to drive and be in like AWD, heated seats,rain sensored wipers, automatic dipping rear vision mirror, automatic climate control, a decent stereo and sat nav, airbags everywhere, decent leather and sound insulation. Now the comparable Australian car just doesn`t cut in the key areas for me. The thing I love the most though is when it rains and the the guy in the FPV and HSV sit there in wheel spin wondering where the hell I have gone or try and keep up in the twisty stuff wet or dry.

  • Troppa

    I Agree With Simple.

  • Andrew M

    Charles,
    Who in their right mind in OZ desires Heated seats????

    I still shake my head in disbelief everytime I hear Ford or Holden dogged for not putting it on the standard kit list.

    Heated seats in OZ are laughable

    Rain sensing wipers are overrated in their function

    I havent dipped a mirror in ages, Im able to ignore such distractions, and if you do dip it, you will still get just as much glare from the side mirrors.

    Auto Climate control, my Falcon has that

    Decent Stereo, the Falcons is adequate and if you like you can option a premuim version (I didnt)

    Sat Nav, Also an option, user pays I suppose (I didnt option it)

    Airbags, I have the full compliment.

    Leather, once again an option (standard on the higher end)
    Fords leather is pretty decent too. Better than the leather in my Mazda

    Its all pretty much a case of user pays. Its there if you want it

    Come on, what have you got, and what did you pay.

  • YONI

    I have read lots on this web-site.
    Could I make a suggestion please.
    You guys that keep typing to one-another should just phone each other up.This way the real car enthusiasts could have decent debates regarding the actual topic without having to tolerate the irrelevant childish ramblings of a certain few that feel the need to hijack every discussion.
    Or at least have a night/day off now and again.
    This way the more intelligent types might contribute some worthwhile arguments.Thanks,Wheelnut,Bavarian Missile ETC.

  • SteveH

    Andrew M, I have heated seats in my car and I think they are great. I live in Melbourne so I get plenty of opportunity to use them, but couldn’t see the point of them if I was up north. It regularly gets down towards zero first thing in the morning, so why wouldn’t I want them?

  • charles

    I kind of agree Steve H, I live in NSW but I have driven to Adelaide and Melbourne a few times and they were brilliant. The one thing I love about them is they are actually good for my lower back, I get out of this car without any soreness not like previous cars

  • JackyBear

    I have read this entire blog. I personally am not in a position to buy a Euro car that I would like new, probably never will be. Realist you are coming off as a tosser. 7 figure house, with you and your wife in 6 figure cars, waste of money to me. I didn’t finish school, year 9 pass at best. No TAFE, trade or Uni qualificatons for me either… I am 31 and owe less than 100k on my (400k) house and OWN and drive a GE6T Falcon and it is a great car. I’m not a manager in the company I work for either. What I have tried to do is be the best I can be with the money I have at my disposal. I have investments, I, like many in my same position salary sacrifce in to super off a a 9% base. I am taking the hit now so I don’t have to take it later. I don’t have the luxury to do whatever I want when I want. I also manage to decrease my taxable income by 50%+ (if not more) each year through doing this. Cost base is everything… even in the argument that is being had here. BMW/MB has a bigger cost base than FORD/FPV or GM-H/HSV so therefore can provide themselves with synergies to allow for that cost base.

    What I am getting to is… you have to make the most of what you have got. You are obviously doing very well for yourself. You can afford the RS6 and have your missus in an C63… I can’t. But please don’t be a tosser about what I can and can’t do, what I can drive and what I can’t, what I can be proud of and what I can’t.

    And then please don’t be a tosser about what Ford or Holden can do. Have a drive you might be suprised… and if I had heated seats I may as well have heated socks. Seriously. We are in Australia and I live in Melbourne too…

  • Ben

    Jackybear, u hit the nail right on the head mate, top job, thats gold!!! But havent we gone off topic here? This falcon that is being “talked”about is the biggest new for ford/fpv since….idk the phase 3 gt-ho when it became the fastest four dorr in the world. Yeh that might be a big call, n there most likely will be people go on about it but this might be the big one, the night mares of all gm lovers in australia. N the new 5 ltr will be a force to be reckoned with im sure, it all alloy therfore lighter, dohc n small ci there fore will rev real hard. I love it that fpv n ford are gettin serious with the V8, good that they have a great engine to work with. Theyve done wonders with the inline 6 turbo, nw its time to see what they can do with this new V8. Oh n just a lil comment to the fpv/ford company people that are reading, we know u are =), leave the XR8 as the 5.0ltr, n fpv stroke the V8s to 5.8 Ltrs, thatd be awesome aye lol. Bring back the good old days baby!!!!

  • The Realist

    Andrew M Says:
    June 16th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
    “Who in their right mind in OZ desires Heated seats????
    I still shake my head in disbelief everytime I hear Ford or Holden dogged for not putting it on the standard kit list.
    Heated seats in OZ are laughable”

    They were a dream yesterday morning at 5:30AM when I drove into work – the temperature was five degrees C.

    “Rain sensing wipers are overrated in their function”

    Not the ones in my car.

    “I havent dipped a mirror in ages, Im able to ignore such distractions, and if you do dip it, you will still get just as much glare from the side mirrors.”

    No you don’t.

    “Auto Climate control, my Falcon has that”

    Tri zone? Quad zone? Or dual zone, like has been available from imports for 25 years?

    “Decent Stereo, the Falcons is adequate and if you like you can option a premuim version (I didnt)”

    Please don’t compare a falcodore’s sound system to a Bang & Olufsen or Mark Levinson designed system.

    “Sat Nav, Also an option, user pays I suppose (I didnt option it)”

    Is this the cheap ‘sat nav’ that comes with a remote control connected by cord to the dash?

    “Airbags, I have the full compliment.”

    I don’t disagree with the falcon’s safety credentials.

    “Leather, once again an option (standard on the higher end)
    Fords leather is pretty decent too. Better than the leather in my Mazda”

    Isn’t it the same type used on the BF falcon? I won’t go into how below par that leather was…

    JackyBear Says:
    June 16th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
    “Realist you are coming off as a tosser. 7 figure house, with you and your wife in 6 figure cars, waste of money to me.”

    The typical comment from a regular Australian. Is it any wonder the 2003 report conducted on the Australian Diapora noted “tall poppy syndrome” as the reason so many high flyers never return home from expatriate positions? I was going to respond to the rest of your comments but can’t be bothered.

    BTW I don’t knock anyone for not having qualifications – my old mentor started up his own consulting business, and he only finished his HSC.

    And my wife drives a 335i.

  • Henry Fraud

    Gee there are some hot heads here.

    Falcons and Commodores are a dying breed and to keep the local industry afloat I believe they both need to be healthy for it to survive as long as possible..

    Both have great products i.e. R8 and F6 and both kicking each other pants depending on the driving conditions. e.g. 100 sprint, twisty backroad etc.

    So lets all respect each other, support the industry and keep it afloat, cos there is something special about big engines (n/a or forced)being revved silly!!

    My 2 cents worth.

    PS How do we know this car is a Ford test mule and that it does have a Coyote under the bonnet? A car bra and some wires could mean its an aftermarket player out with a s/c BOSS!!

  • charles

    Andrew M, Just to clarify what I meant in regards to the automatic dipping rear vision mirror, I didn`t mean using my hand to do it. So I have written an explanation on how it works in my car. The automatic dipping rear view mirror is an Electrochrome type using two probes, a microcomputer and two mirror plates enclosing a solid gel – integrated in the body of the mirror. The cell facing the rear of the vehicle detects the presence of a car with its lights on while the cell facing the front measures the intensity of the extemal light. Using this information the computer makes a calculation (approx one second reaction time) and activates an electrolyte to make the gel rise between the two plates of the mirror gradually darkening the surface.

  • Old CarAdvice Reader

    This may be off-topic, but I’ve noticed there’s a comment rating system on this site now. How long has it been here for?

    Oh and to say something relevant to this discussion. I hope when this updated supercharged GT comes out, it has new rubber. The current FPV range is under-tyred so maybe they should come with wider rear tyres and also it might help to to use a different brand too because I heard that the Dunlop SP Sport Maxx tyres are inferior to the brand that HSV use.

    …Oh and I just discovered that I can now edit my posts too.

  • Simple

    To The Realist I suggest you re-read some of your posts (June 15th 2009 @ 3.58pm) This has nothing to do with tall poppy syndrome and more to do with the lack of quality of your posts.

    You have an opinion and thats fine, but to put down others who have a different opinion shows a lower level of intelligence.

  • My dog’s name is Henry…

    …and he’s named after the father of the mass produced motor car. Falcon is the best Australian built car ever. End of story. F6 is best locally made performance car ever. End of story. When the coyote engine is released it will be an M5 & AMG slayer. End of story.

  • Buck

    I see the re-engined and “dramaticaaly repriced” XFR Jaguar @ $208,000 “claims” a 0-100 time at 4.9 seconds.

    So in the real world it’ll probably get 5.0-5.1 seconds just like the world class $65,000 F6 gets, which BTW uses the same gearbox.

    Is this smaller, heavier, XFR really worth three times the price of the local performance hero or is this a case of the Jaguar distributor ripping us off blind and behaving like a bunch of spoilt fat cats.

    Thankfully it looks like we won’t have to wait long to have our own locally made and fairly priced 5.0 litre supercharged car and then the fat cat Jag distributors, can go sharpen their claws somewhere else.

  • The Realist

    Simple Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 8:29 am
    “To The Realist I suggest you re-read some of your posts (June 15th 2009 @ 3.58pm) This has nothing to do with tall poppy syndrome and more to do with the lack of quality of your posts.”

    Not really – I was called names purely due to greater financial success. Do I need to quote these individuals?

    When I state facts people get upset… I still remember the howls of abuse when I mentioned Holden hadn’t made a profit in five years.

    “You have an opinion and thats fine, but to put down others who have a different opinion shows a lower level of intelligence.”

    Put down? Where?

  • Simple

    To the Realist – How do you measure your financial success against others expressing their views relating to this topic? Since when does driving a particular make or model of car, equate to beign successful (you might want to read what car Bill Gates and Warren Buffet drive – do you consider them to be financially successful?)

    What makes you an expert on our “unproductive automotive industry” I take it you have substational knowledge and experience of this industry?

    As for your comments about put downs as I said re read what you wrote June 15th 2009 @ 3.58pm – I dont think I need to explain it in any more detail.

  • Andrew M

    Charles,
    I realise how auto dimming mirrors work.

    They can easily be identified as they are a little more bulky than the conventional sort.
    Not trying to be smart, but did you pull that explanation out of your vehicles manual????

    They work in much the same way as an auto darkening welding helmet, except a welding helmet will switch in something like “point many zeros of a second”.

    The panel used to detect light is pretty much a solar panel like you get on your typical calculator.

    Hey, you didnt answer my question, what are you driving, and what did you pay???

  • Variable Cam Timing

    my dogs name is Henry………well said. Totally true in every respect……..the FG is by far the best Aussie built car ever and kills some so called premium brands that cost triple the money. F6 is a legend and anyone who hasnt driven one is missing out ………….it really is hard to believe just how good this car is. The Coyote V8 will re-ignite the V8 scene and GM wont have anything to combat it with because they probably wont spend any more money on V8′s because they have to spend up big on small cars. Cant wait to drive the Coyote V8 and the all alloy direct injection F6 …………WOW !!!!

  • My dog’s name is Henry…

    …and he’s named after the father of the mass produced motor car.

    @ Variable Cam Timing

    Amen to that brother! Hallelujah!!

    It’s game over HSV. End of story.

  • My dog’s name is Henry…

    …and he’s named after the father of the mass produced motor car.

    @ Ford and FPV.

    Years ago when XW and XY GT Falcons roamed the earth in abundance you released the GT-HO, and time stood still and men gave up their wives and families just to watch and listen as one drove past. You created history.

    Based on this story with the S/C Coyote engine the GT-HO seems to be on the way back, which would cause spontaneous ticker tape parades and dancing in the streets to erupt around the world. Whales would stop beaching themselves and the Taliban would lay down their arms. The world would be a great place again.

    Now here’s the point of this post. Don’t leave the F6 out in the cold. It is a brilliant car, yet you could really drive home your advantage and dominate this market rightfully embarrassing your competitors. Take the F6 off it’s leash. Build a HO version oall it the F6-R, or F6-RR or some such nomenclature. Give it big horsepower, maybe twin turbo, purposeful styling, a lighter body, big rubber, and a sensible price tag (take note of the failed W427).

    The benefits are many, including the rest of the I6 range would revel in the reflected glory, and highlight again how good this engine is, and how poor the GM engine is.

    You can create history again.

  • charles

    Andrew No I didn`t pull it out of the manual, I got it off the net and copied and pasted it, LOL. Oh the answer to your other question, R32 and it was 2nd hand because I don`t see the value of buying brand new cars of any sort, its a total waste of money, plus I like to drive the car before I purchase it.

  • The Realist

    Simple Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
    “To the Realist – How do you measure your financial success against others expressing their views relating to this topic? Since when does driving a particular make or model of car, equate to beign successful (you might want to read what car Bill Gates and Warren Buffet drive – do you consider them to be financially successful?)”

    I don’t equate driving a nice car to financial success.

    “What makes you an expert on our “unproductive automotive industry” I take it you have substational knowledge and experience of this industry?”

    Just articles I have read from Harvard Business Review, AFR, and selected other sources. Plus we studied the subject during several subjects of my Executive MBA.

    “As for your comments about put downs as I said re read what you wrote June 15th 2009 @ 3.58pm – I dont think I need to explain it in any more detail.”

    Do you mean the use of the word “pleb”?

    Variable Cam Timing Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
    “the FG is by far the best Aussie built car ever and kills some so called premium brands that cost triple the money.”

    How exactly does it kill an M3 or C63 AMG? Apart from overtaking performance, it’s behind in every area as a luxury performance car.

  • Andrew M

    Charles,
    ha ha ha ha I knew it sounded too scripted ha ha ha

    I totally agree with you on buying 2nd hand to save a heap of dosh.
    Last month I shopped the market for a replacement for the 2nd car.
    After looking at just about everything, it was eventually narrowed down to the Mazda.
    Then I felt I didnt want to really spend too much.
    I then shopped the 2nd hand market and came out buying a SP23 with all the extras like parking sensors, leather, premium sound etc, and it cost about the same as what a base model pov pac would have cost.
    And with only 19,000k’s on it, and still under warranty, couldnt go wrong IMO.

    But in saying that, last year I purchased a new Falcon.
    I felt it was justified because the FG is a great leap in the right direction above the BF. I just could not go past it once I tried it.
    I was able to negotiate a great deal, and its also tax deductable for me.

    Sorry thats a bit off topic, but I suppose that brings you up to date with where I stand vehicle wise.

    Back onto the features……
    Im sure I could name some features the Falcon has that your R32 doesnt……
    All my part of the argument is doing is saying the aussie makes offer pretty good value, and you will get what you pay for.
    The only thing you mentioned that the Falcon doesnt have is the auto dimming mirror, and heated seats.

    The upper spec Falcons used to have heated seats, but I think they may have stopped offering them now…..
    I jump in my car many mornings when the guage reads around the zero mark, and heat in the seats never comes to mind.

    I normally have a warm tush to take to my vehicle, I dont run out there nude chanting heat up, heat up.

  • Missile/Nut Hater

    Gosh I am so enjoying this site this week.C A could you please keep the bans forever.
    Lots of varied people are contributing now,in a friendly,healthy way.
    It’s so nice that the usual suspects are missing and not ruining good debates with their egos.
    For a while there one would have thought that certain people were either paid commentaters ( spoilers )for the site,or indeed in BM’s case the owner.
    PLEASE keep this post up for a little while C A so that many can give it the thumbs up over the next few days.
    Long live C A xxxxxxxxxxx

  • charles

    Yeah I think the Falcon is a leap forward and its definitely a better car than a Commodore but after owning a small car and especially one with AWD I just couldn`t see myself getting a big car ever again. Having said that if I had children and was on a budget a Falcon especially a 2nd hand FPV would be on my radar

  • charles

    Andrew, just on the seats honestly they are a really good thing, I always thought they were a w@nk but after owning a car with them I will have to have them again.

  • Simple

    The Realist, so your so called expereince has been gained from reading magazines (in other words you have never set foot in, or consulted with any automotive manufacturers? Have you ever balanced the advantages/disadvantages of keeping the Australian Automotive industry? Or have you simply read someone elses opinion (who may have no knowledge of the automotive industry) and blindy agreed with everything they have to say?

    Just out of interest, what impact do you think (or the magazines suggest) the loss of the Australian automotive manufacturing industry will have on the Australian economy and even the Australian society?

    No I dont mean the use of the world “pleb”. I was going to suggest you re read your post, but you have already done that – correct?

  • Simple

    The Realist, I suggest you just post either facts or your opinion – there is no need to try and justify everything ie “But I live in a seven figure home and drive a six figure car, as does my wife.” If your arguement is strong enough it will stand on its own.

    You have no idea as to what house other people live in, or what car(s) they have or haven’t had, so that information is irrelevant.

  • Ben(read this, bit of an insite on teh new 5ltr V8)

    This is abit of an insite for what ford US has planned for this new 5.0ltr V8. Bring it on baby

    A radical twin-fuel engine from Ford, code-named “Bobcat,” that variably blends gasoline and ethanol on demand to realize diesel-like performance continues to make steady progress in its development, according to presentations made by the automaker to the Department of Energy and Society of Automotive Engineers in April. The presentations also provide a first look at the engine’s architecture and make some remarkable claims about “E85-optimized” engine efficiency versus size.

    The Bobcat engine starts with a small turbocharged engine with separate gasoline and ethanol (E85) fuel injectors for each cylinder. The gasoline system mixes fuel and air in the motor’s intake manifold using port injection. The second system uses direct injection to introduce small amounts of ethanol directly into the combustion chamber to control premature detonation, or knock, which results from the high temperature and pressure of a turbocharged engine. The ethanol prevents knock by cooling the air/fuel mixture until the engine is ready for combustion. With knock suppressed, the compression ratio can be increased.

    Ford’s engineering partner, Ethanol Boosting Systems, LLC of Cambridge, Mass., has trademarked the term “DI Octane Boost” to describe the process; the direct injection of ethanol effectively increases the octane of regular gasoline from 88-91 octane to more than 150 octane.

    The percentage mix of gasoline and ethanol varies according to load. In low- to medium-load conditions, only port-injected gasoline may be required. Direct-injected ethanol is added and increased as a function of load but only in the amount necessary to prevent knock. Using such technology, a 5.0-liter V-8 Bobcat engine could potentially produce 500 horsepower and 750 pounds-feet or more of torque.

    Two 3-D computer-rendered diagrams included in Ford’s DOE presentation show the front and rear views of such an engine using a 90-degree V-block design. Two massive air/water heat exchangers sit atop the engine to cool turbocharged air before it enters the throttle body and intake manifold. Twin turbos sit on the lower right and left sides.

    A separate engine cutaway diagram of a Bobcat motor shows the positioning of a gasoline port injector and ethanol direct injector. The gasoline and ethanol would be stored in two separate fuel tanks.

    EBS claims that relative to today’s common port fuel injected gasoline engines in cars and light-duty trucks, direct-injection ethanol boosting would provide a fuel efficiency gain for typical combined city/highway driving of 25 to 30 percent, at an incremental cost of $1,100 to $1,500, depending on the size of the vehicle. The efficiency gain and torque are comparable to current turbodiesel engines, like Ford’s 350-hp/650 lbs.-ft. 6.4-liter Power Stroke, but at about a third of the cost and with the advantage of cleaner emissions without expensive exhaust aftertreatment hardware.

    Ethanol boosting also promises 5 to 10 percent greater fuel economy than Ford’s new line of gasoline-turbocharged direct-injection EcoBoost engines, which it’s based on. Ford’s DOE presentation says, “The E85 optimized engine and the dual fuel concept are logical extensions of Ford’s ‘EcoBoost’ strategy.”

    Another way to measure efficiency, regardless of engine architecture, is through a metric called Brake Mean Effective Pressure. BMEP quantifies the amount of work an engine can do versus its displacement by measuring the average pressure exerted on an engine’s pistons. The more efficient an engine is, the higher its BMEP score.

    According to Ford’s SAE presentation, an experimental 3.5-liter GTDI EcoBoost engine modified with E85 direct injection and gasoline port fuel injection run on a dynamometer achieved a BMEP score of 305 psi (27 bar), which translates to approximately 553 pounds-feet of torque and 316-hp at 3,000 rpm (flat torque curve from 1,500 to 3,000 rpm). The experimental engine was limited by the engine block’s ability to handle higher compression ratios. In comparison, a standard GTDI EcoBoost engine on a dyno was rated at 17 bar, which translates to approximately 350 pounds-feet of torque and 300-hp at 4,500 rpm (flat torque curve from 1,500 to 4,500 rpm).

    As we mentioned earlier, ethanol use increases with engine load. A potential drawback to the Bobcat engine would be access to an ethanol refueling infrastructure, especially when a truck is working hard pulling a trailer or climbing hills.

    Ford’s SAE presentation provides several range estimates for refueling a 5.0-liter Bobcat V-8 with a 10 gallon E85 tank and 26 gallon gas tank compared to a current Ford F-150 with a 5.4-liter V-8 and 26 gallon gas tank. Under mild driving conditions, the 5.0-liter E85 tank might have to be refilled only once every 20,000 miles and the gas tank refilled every 528 miles. Today’s 5.4-liter V-8 is said to have a 486 mile range under these conditions. However, an extreme towing scenario with the 5.0-liter V-8 pulling a fully-loaded trailer up a constant 6 percent grade could mean refilling the E85 tank as often as every 100 miles. That would be more often than the gas tank, which has an expected range of 243 miles under those conditions. Today’s 5.4-liter V-8 is said to have a 99 mile range under these conditions.

    If the ethanol tank did run dry, the Bobcat engine could operate indefinitely with lower performance using only gasoline until a source of E85 could be found.

    Under most operating conditions, however, Ford’s Bobcat engine could be the right powertrain at the right time to meet newly mandated corporate average fuel economy requirements that require fuel efficiency standard for all light trucks (crossovers, pickup trucks, SUVs and vans) to rise to 30 mpg by 2016, from 23.1 mpg today.

    Will it work in the real world? Ford will try out its theories outside of computer simulations and the laboratory before the end of the year when a Bobcat engine is tested in an F-Series pickup for the first time.

  • Ben(read this, bit of an insite on teh new 5ltr V8)

    Ive only got one thing to say……………………………………QQQQUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNSSSSSSSLLLLLLLAAAAAANNNNNDDDDDDDAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Phill

    Wheels stated an NA 351 might be on the cards insted of this blown 5 liter,what about a blown 351,this new engine is said to be over 100kgs lighter in weight,that should fix the nose heavy handling,but will that make it 100kgs lighter than Commodore??Thats a big weight advantage,looks like the Commodore could be off to weight watchers.Also does HO stand for High Output or Handling option???GO FORD and GO NSW,oh I’ll have too wait till next year,but isn’t QLDs best player a NSW Boy.

  • http://thesupercargang.weebly.com Matt_Supercar

    I’m a Ford & FPV supporter, so I love them and I’m excited for them to produce something that could potentially defeat HSV’s best! The Supercharger on the V8 will be awesome , the loud whine is cool & I like loud noises! I was wondering if Ford Australia could get Mustang, GT or other performance engines from Ford North America. Imagine a Falcon can perform like a Mustang GT500KR Super Snake & SALEEN Mustang Extreme. Anyway the new FPV GT should be fantastic. Can’t wait to see it in production & I hope the new 2010 Falcon GT will feature in a video game. Go FPV & good luck to them!

  • Redblower

    About time Ford did something to improve the performance of their V8′s.

    Am sick of blowing them away with my petite supercharged V6.

    Anything has to be better than that XR6Turbo pile of junk.

    • Ben

      I guess ur old 186 holden blows off the new F6 aswell hey? Supercharged V6….hahahahahahahahahahahahaha….hang on let me catch my breath……..ok….hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. The base model falcon 6 owned that s&*t box supercharged V6. Ur a very funny perspon

  • Mmm

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  • M I K E Y !

    i think this car will be great, i wonder if it could end up reaching the 90-100 k mark, i suppose it would be alright though, cause if it has the same power as the 2010 mustang gt500 (540hp/ 400kw) it would be more powerful than the HSV w427 for cheaper (the hsv is around 150,000k and has 500hp/ 370kw)

  • jack

    now if Ford or GM really wanted to take control of the large car market in Australia they would take a leaf out of the design books of the Europeans Japs and Koreans.
    The leaders in engine technology are producing 4lt V8s that are simply awesome in performance and economy, if Ford and Holden can spruik about how they have been able to produce smaller, more powerful V6 engines for falcon and commodore why can they not reproduce these advances and give us a 4.0 or dare i say it a 4.2lt V8 that would pull my boat or van.
    for heavens sake if toyota and hyundai can put 4lt v8′s in their american versions it makes the big 2 look plain stupid.
    If 4 litres of V8 is good enough for Maserati then by golly its good enough for me.

    • whatefa

      There’s no substitute for cubic inches.
      If it were otherwise the Veyron would have a turbo 1.6…your argument has more holes than Mel Gibson’s apology

  • ben

    you all say that it will bet any hsv but fpv isnt the only australia car marker thats testing new cars. in september hsv is set to unleash it new range. it will be faster and better in everyway. ford australias fpv range cant kept up with any hsv now…. they just break traction and sit there,they cant go around tracks very well there to ‘soft’ they might not even have the turbo six in couple of years so there goes fords greatest engine. plus u wont even be able to buy a v8 ‘ford falcon’……

    • john

      lol yes they did upgrade the hsv lol its now ugly and the GTS makes 8kws more

  • Loftie

    Oh everyone is so deluded….

    FPV won’t be bringing out a ‘charged V8…. its not financially viable for them to do it…

    Not sure if anyone here understands how business works, but generally car makers go out there to build and design cars that MAKE THEM MONEY….
    not to provide a safer vehichle, or a more economical vehicle, its all about MAKING money….

    How many people that would love a GT falcon (old or new) actually will ever own one? 1 in 10, 1 in 100?? Probably more like 1 in 1000… (or more?? REALIST?)

    So why would they go and develop a car that has mind-blowing power and stats when nobody will actually buy the thing…

    Look at the W427…. weren’t we all super excited when that came out at the motor show… ooohh yeah wicked fast 7litre commodore… i’d buy that for $150k… they were gonna make 427 of them… ($64million if all sold)… instead they only made 130 odd ($19.5million)… bah, only missed the mark by $45million…

    its all in the figures….

    I’d love to see a supercharged GT… or the re-birth of the GT-HO (40th anniversary of the phase 3 next year)… but it just won’t happen…

    God you can go and by an XW/XY GT now for less than $100 grand…. if ya gonna go buy a new falcon for $100k at least check out the old ones…. they’ve got character and charm…

    I’ve said my piece….

    • Mike

      Whilst I agree with you about the old cars, ( i love em’ as well, especially the phase 3, BTW I saw someone asking what the HO stood for, it’s handling option)

      BUT, I beg to differ over the W427, simply put, it’s a piece of shit. Why would anyone want to buy a car like that ? It has no purpose, it doesn’t have a niche in the market that it appeals too. Lets face it, if I had to spend 150 K on a car I’d be heading for something European, maybe something that rhymes with Aston Martin DB9, or perhaps I’d go get myself a Mustang, I WOULD NOT spend it on a rubbish car that’s only boast is that it has a cargo ship motor in it’s engine bay.
      If i want the sort of power it’s going to deliver, I’d get a small motor and turbocharge it, at least I know when I back off the noise pedal it isn’t drinking 57 liters of fuel per second.

      Not to mention that’s it’s the ugliest thing to come around since Brittany Spears.

      • Brandon

        the W427 is not ugly but it’s not worth 150K especially they haven’t really done much to justify the price other than the engine, intake, brakes, front facial and MRC tune. The let down is the interior which is a 50k Commodore. For that price I’d get a GTS, then Walkinshaw supercharged it and spend the rest for servicing and insurance.

        • Wheelnut

          Brndon there are a lot more differences between the W-427 and the Clubsport than what you might think.. I read an article when the W-427 was released which said there are approx 120 differences.. some more obvious than others.

          Whilst The W-427 is an impressive Aussie RWD Sports sedan I too would get a Clubbie and a $10K WPS performance pack [including supercharger] which would make it as powerful and as fast as the W427.. with enough money left over to buy a Maloo

      • AUSTRALIAN CARS ARE UGLY!!!

        BRITNEY Spears Isn’t Ugly mate, if the car looks like her, maybe it is worth 150 grand, even if it is Australian Made!

        Oh, and you probly should learn to spell before you sledge a pop singer.

      • KingBogan

        Is Brittany Spears really that ugly ?
        Dude, give me a car with and as you quote “cargo ship motor” any day.
        I’ll have one. It’s about balls baby.
        If you think the W427 is “a piece of shit” youve already killed any credibility with your comments. Most people wont read past that.

  • Brandon

    Ford’s V8s are useless man. The new 2010 5.0L V8 is only 307kws.

    • Benjamin

      You obviously dont read things very well

      The engine provides “307kW of power and 528Nm of torque in its BASE form”

    • Ben

      Ford V8′s arent useless lol. This new V8 produces 307kws in base form, thats the same amount as what the 6.0liter Produced from HSV, then they had to upgrade it to a 6.2 liter to get an extra 10kws!!! What a joke. N rumor has it that the new GT V8 will be supercharged with a GTS equilling 325kws but will have 600Nm of torque!!! And just another ob, all fpvs will soon be forced induction. How cool is that!!!

  • Jesh

    I have long been awaiting Ford to put a supercharger on their V8. Purely because it gives Holden an excuse to do it.

    Clearly Ford are loosing the arm wrestle of FPV vs HSV so now they r bringing out a Supercharged 8 which will easily flog any HSV.

    Wait till Holden do the same. We know a HSV Clubby with Walky supercharger can produce 470kw no worries of course itd have to be tuned to street legal form. But good on FPV. Just gave the arm wrestle back to HSV.

    In saying all that i dont think its true :P. “Financial crisis” + Expensive supercharged V8… doubt it. Maybe in a couple of years… But now… nah…

    P.s (cant wait for ford fans to rip my comment to pieces :P)

    • KingBogan

      You are 100% correct.
      I mean right now the HSV drivetrain can handle a super charger.
      200 WP cars prove that. Also up to 100,000klms a WP super charger retains
      factory warranty. Now that’s confidence !
      Bring on the battle asap !

  • http://filjsfjsp rowl

    the supercharged gt and the gtho will flog the holden gts and hsv w427 !!!!!!!!!!

  • sandy

    on “jesh”, holden has just spent heaps on updating the VE and HSV range, just because ford is bringing their new S/C V8, they’re not going to be very quick on developing a new engine to beat the ford for at least 2-3 years because of the costs involved. By that time ford will be ready to update again anyway. so for at least the next decade the V8 battle is on. unless GM decide to update their dinosaur of a pushrod V8 thats got roots in the 60′s.

  • Coyote

    5.0 Coyote is a beauty.

    1)It will trash HSV’s current performance offering , engine capable of base 320kw upto 402kw
    2)The whine of the super charger alone will boost sales
    3)More FPV personalisation is in store
    4)best in technology to cope with the new Coyote engine
    5)A GTHO next Phase is certainly possible , unsure if FPV will go tuning to that extent right now.

  • Swank!!!

    I’ve been waiting a long time for ford to replace their current v8. Hope this new engine works-out, because I’m really bored of buying V8 Holdens.

  • Dan the man

    You beauty, is-ford=is-good.
    nuff said

  • dave

    Lets hope all these predictions come true. I doubt very much that There will the anything to match the W427 for a long time. I think that FPV are changing the V8 because they have to, not because they want to.

    Either way its great to hear people tsalking about a new Ford V8, not everyone gets exxcited by a turbo 6.

    • NoClevrTagsLeft

      You are right.
      They are changing the engine because they have to.
      Due to Euro Emission standards.

  • ABMPSV

    I love supercars and sports cars. This Ford is not bad for the average guy, but…
    what the hell you need so much power!! Where I will use it??? If I live in Germany I go on the autobahn and I can sit on 200 or 25okm/h because I can. Here max is 110km/h and most of the time you traveling below that. Your max power for petrol engined car is around 6000rpm. When I will use 6000rpm?? Not many times and for how long. This power business is good only for car companies and big oil companies. I hope you earn at least $80,000 pa to run this car.

  • righto

    funny how theres so much interest from hsv heads.whats the H stand for they havnt built a holden since 1979.only a mungrul bread commodore,thats never been full aussie built.not many good gm s around without a chev & 9″.ive got a supercharged BA gt..hammers

  • Tony

    I Love how everyone is all of the sudden an Expert :-)

  • http://v8cars.org/ Paul Guy

    Hi Folks, I have previously owned a gen3 SS Commodore a VX series 1. My current vehicle is a Bf Ford Falcon XR8 with the quad cam boss motor and I must say it is an excellent grand tourer. I often travel in the rural areas and typical fuel consumption is 11l/kms, that is driving with no thought for fuel economy! Even driving to work up the Kwinana Freeway (slow way!) in peak hour I get 13l/100kms. Considering the comfort, primary and secondary safety it provides I think it is a great aussie V8, V8 Cars forever!! Cheers to all and a Happy and safe Easter. Paul

  • sandy

    just to back up Paul Guy, my brother just bought a 2005 BA MkII XR8 ute,
    1. It FLIES!
    2. Its got F6 brembos, so it STOPS!
    3. He usually gets 500+ ks on a tank.

    good stuff, and if the new one is anything to go by, it’ll be a bloody ripper!

  • Byron

    What annoys me so much about FPV Supercharged V8 is that it is SUPERCHARGED. Of course it’s going to topple HSV because it’s supercharged. It may be the most powerful supercharged to arrive but it’s still a supercharged V8 so what do you expect when you have a increase over HSV NON-SUPERCHARGED V8. If HSV made a SUPERCHARGED V8, it would be a different story. Anyway as much as Ford thinks this will work I highly doubt it. You’ve got HSV E3 right around the corner. Go HSV!

    • Ben

      Typical one eyed holden boy lol. This new 5litre V8 in complete base form has 307kws or 412bhp and 530Nm of torque or 310ft.lb. Now, Carrol Shelby has just released a GT 350 Mustang over in the states and it produces well over 500bhp or over 375kws and the mustang only weighs in at around 1500kgs(but leaf spring rear end). This engine is completly different to the 4.6 and 5.4. It all alluminium, has cast iron sleeves in the block, the block itself is perfectly square so it can rev, have seen it been pushed to 7000rpm on an engine dyno on youtube in NON SUPERCHARGED FORM. And then theres the sound of it, omg, whipe its arse with the GM range of V8s alone. Times are changing, get use to it

  • F1MotoGP

    and you still call this an Australian car “Ford Australia will use a US-sourced 5.0-litre V8. Featuring 32-valves and an aluminium block..” Steel comes from Japan, electronics Korea….etc

    • Betty Blue

      But the Iron ore used to make the steel and the bauxite used to make the aluminium probably came from the ground in Australia.

  • BK

    hey byron you used the word supercharged six times in your comment. You must be very supercharged this morning. pMSL

  • sandy

    F1MotoGp, You call any HSV an Australian car? The engine is 100% Chev.

    Byron, The new V8 that Ford is going to apply is a 5 litre. Compare that with holdens 6.2. Of course they are going to supercharge it. But in base form it still has 307 Kw. Thats N/A going in the XR8. Blow the pants off any SS.

  • Dreama

    Good to hear – i hope it is a complete package of excellence.
    i think Ford and Holden really need to build high quality cars now to match the euro stuff.
    a fair few people i know are ‘going back’ to the fords and holdens again

  • Ben

    Ive read on goauto.com.au that when the new falcons are released by ford, they are goin to hold off on the XR8 until about october time due to what they have planned for it :-) From what the news is it will be released when the FPV range is and the XR8, not GT, the XR8 will have 315kws@7000rpm and 560Nm of torque :-) Theres alot of talk about 3 different versions of this V8 for Australia, obviously the 315kw version for the XR8, the 335kw version for the GT(the most likely power figure for the GT) and theres one more version of this engine, hmmm……what car would they put that in? Hmmmm let me think………Ummm……Oh, I know, the GT-HO :-D Mr Barret has said if they do build this car it would be released next year at bathurst to celebrate 40 years since allan moffat concured the montain in a phase 3. There is a great deal of talk about the GT-HO coming back, fpv AUS has been working on this engine for over a year now, its lookin good for us blue oval boys. Now from what I have been told from extremely reliable people, if :-) the GT-HO is released, it will have over 400Kws. It will NOT be like HSV’s W427, will be quiet different to any falcon that we have seen in decades. Keep loyal my ford friends :-)

  • NoClevrTagsLeft

    Cant beleive this has been here since June 09!! Seems I have had my head in the sand somewhat.
    I read about it in Wheels (or maybe Motot) last night and have since decided to hold off on buying a replacement for my current BF II Turbo Ute. I was looking into the BMW market for a 4 door sports but now… can’t freakin wait!!
    This will most definately send HSV packing.
    Only problem now is we can no longer hold the Chev engine over Holdens head as being unAustralian!
    Oh well, this is progress. Onwards and upwards!

    • KingBogan

      Only problem now is we can no longer hold the Chev engine over Holdens head as being unAustralian!
      Oh well, this is progress. Onwards and upwards!

      Yep and HSV was making progress way before FPV…..OUCH !
      Oh and dont forget those beautiful DRL’s, your getting them too :)

  • NoClevrTagsLeft

    edit on the last post… Motot being Motor . .. hah.. noob.
    i refuse to use spell check… i also see believe there too… too early in the morning

  • xxxt68

    get over the HO thing people its not gona happen , i know a guy at fpv, and although it has been talked about it wont be happening, as for the engine i say right on fpv, just a shame its only a 5ltr we all know u crnt beat cubes n with no room to stroke how long will the coyote last against hsv n there capacity n dont forget they can still use forced induction as well,

  • TheElf

    A 5litre V8 Quad cam all alloy pumping out 309Kw and 520Nm.That is special even without the blower. Fords have always been prolific engine builders.& the falcons always steer and ride better than that junk from Holden.As for KingBogan-your a wanker like every hard core Holden fanatic. Fancy comparing 6.2 L V8 to a 5litre.Or yeh I guess you should cause you get blown away anyway.As for drive trains- the six speed box in the falcon is as good as any on the planet and anyone can tell you that.You also forget for years Holdens used ford top loaders and 9 inch diffs in racing as they were the only things that can handle real grunt! Ford guys are different on the road also & their attitudes are better. Every twit with an SS or better wants to take you on. Even though I’m driving only a 3.5Litre GT Skyline. Ford guys wave or just carry on as usual Holden boys snub you and light em up at the lights.
    Holdens are without a doubt the worst rubbish on the road. !

    • Ben

      TheElf, I couldnt have put it better myself. We have far supurior cars, 100 times better attitude and we dont have to prove our cars are better everytime at the lights cause we have a thing called common sense, altho, from time to time we have to remind them where there place is in our world…behind our cars looking at the tail lights >:-) This new 5 litre V8 is going to blow any offering from holden or hsv in N/A form and come supercharged form in the GT and completly blown GT-HO(yes I have a very very forthy insiders info) comes to town, they’ll truley know what power is.

  • http://facebook paul

    got nothing on a turboed falcon

  • pandora

    i agree with TheElf, Ford is generally and usually the best auto solution in every way. I must add, one of the best commodores was a VZII, but only the SS and Calais fitted with a 6.0L L76 box. Anything other than that even the HSV L2 were a heap of crap along side the LS3. And for the fact, a 3.5L GT skyline in V6 configuration stock for stock is equal in performance as a 4.0L Falcon from BA-BF-FG in stock XT guise, but the Falcon does have more torque and once that torque is dialed in a 4.0L Falcon BA-BF-FG whether in 4, 5 or 6 speed auto guise indeed shoots over the GT 3.5L Skyline on the open road speeds 100-200km/h. Therefore the Falcon BA MkII XR6 in 6 speed manual form or a BF/FG N/A models are quicker more brisk and more agile cars than any V6 engine in N/A form so far on the planet including the new Duratec 3.7 overrated high reving poorly engineered Ford USA V6 used in Mustangs. The I6 4.0 still beats it.

    • Ben

      Ok, Im a massive fan but how do you get that the stock XT falcon 6 out guns a $150,000 twin turbo skyline?? Or are you saying if both had no turbos what so ever?

  • ben ronson

    if both were N/A BA XT would win, if BA XT 4.0 N/A was to receive a bolt on single or twin turbocharger kit that could push it to 800Hp with stock engine, the BA XT would have enough reliability to beat the stock twin turboed $150,000 skyline 0-100 and in every other way, but thicker rear end rubber would have to be used on BA XT 4.0L, but I’d recommend to use a stock BFII XR6 Turbo with 10psi extra boost, that would destroy any car up to $1,000,000 easy and this is a real world fact, stock 245kW/480Nm BFII Turbo regardless whether it was made in 2005 or late 2007 will match a vehicle that costs 10 to 20 fold more.

  • ben ronson

    i also think what “pandora” meant to say was the non 3.8L GTS , but the 3.5L N/A model which is a heap of crap by the way, and even a 3.8L V6 with no turbos would lose against 4.0L I6 Falcon XT in stock guise.

  • Betty Blue

    I am not sure why everyone is getting excited about the prospect of a GT-HO. Barrett gave an interview a few years back to Wheels I think it was, where he said he would only build a HO if they could do the name justice. He went on to say that if they did build a HO it would not use a supercharged or Turbo charged engine.

  • http://google fords&me

    I cant Belive there are so many ford haters here ive read so many derogitory comments of people who not only all drive old datsuns and cant afford the new GT but have proberly never even sat in one.why window shop just buy one I am & LOL dont need wife,s permission cause she wants 1 to.

  • Vic

    This is good NEWS for all aussie muscle-car loveRs..maybe not as much for the Holdens fans kekekeke

    As long were keeping all upcoming chinese shit off our roads its all go
    Go tHe FoRdsssssss

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