2010 FPV GT supercharged V8 ‘Coyote’ spied!
June 12, 2009 by Paul Maric
A deafening whine made the ears of our spy photographer prick up, that deafening whine was the sound of a supercharged V8 Falcon.
Before the car scurried off into the distance, our photographer was able to snap some shots of what could possibly be Ford’s latest attempt at slaying Holden’s HSV offerings.
With over 60 per cent of FPV sales leaning toward the V8 engine, FPV has been desperately in need of an engine capable of taking on the ever expanding offerings from HSV.
Up until now, Ford haven’t attempted to do anything too serious to the current 5.4-litre ‘BOSS’ V8. The reason behind the delay is the impending Euro4 emissions cut-over, due on July 1 next year. The current BOSS V8 will not meet the Euro4 standards, meaning there is little point doing any further work on it.
Instead, insiders have told CarAdvice that Ford Australia will use a US-sourced 5.0-litre V8. Featuring 32-valves and an aluminium block, the engine will be significantly lighter than the current offering.
The best news of all though is that we believe FPV is strapping a supercharger to the engine to give it the extra kick in the pants needed.
Although Ford are being very cagey about the work on the new engine, our spy photographer says that this thing was fast, very fast. It accelerated from a standing start not far from where he was and he said that not only was the supercharger whine loud, the acceleration was phenomenal.
As you can see from the photographs, a small section of the car-bra has a large intake for the supercharger.
FPV General Manager, Rod Barrett indicated in a previous press conference that FPV would assemble the engine locally – much like the current ‘BOSS’ arrangement. This would give FPV, which has codenamed its project Miami, the perfect chance to attach a supercharger to really get things moving.
We can expect the upcoming GT to give the HSV Clubsport and GTS a decent run for its money. The engine, code named Coyote, should produce at least 300kW. From there, the supercharger should help it bring power and torque up to HSV beating levels.
CarAdvice will keep you posted as news comes to hand. Miami, here we come!
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Gee there are some hot heads here.
Falcons and Commodores are a dying breed and to keep the local industry afloat I believe they both need to be healthy for it to survive as long as possible..
Both have great products i.e. R8 and F6 and both kicking each other pants depending on the driving conditions. e.g. 100 sprint, twisty backroad etc.
So lets all respect each other, support the industry and keep it afloat, cos there is something special about big engines (n/a or forced)being revved silly!!
My 2 cents worth.
PS How do we know this car is a Ford test mule and that it does have a Coyote under the bonnet? A car bra and some wires could mean its an aftermarket player out with a s/c BOSS!!
Andrew M, Just to clarify what I meant in regards to the automatic dipping rear vision mirror, I didn`t mean using my hand to do it. So I have written an explanation on how it works in my car. The automatic dipping rear view mirror is an Electrochrome type using two probes, a microcomputer and two mirror plates enclosing a solid gel – integrated in the body of the mirror. The cell facing the rear of the vehicle detects the presence of a car with its lights on while the cell facing the front measures the intensity of the extemal light. Using this information the computer makes a calculation (approx one second reaction time) and activates an electrolyte to make the gel rise between the two plates of the mirror gradually darkening the surface.
This may be off-topic, but I’ve noticed there’s a comment rating system on this site now. How long has it been here for?
Oh and to say something relevant to this discussion. I hope when this updated supercharged GT comes out, it has new rubber. The current FPV range is under-tyred so maybe they should come with wider rear tyres and also it might help to to use a different brand too because I heard that the Dunlop SP Sport Maxx tyres are inferior to the brand that HSV use.
…Oh and I just discovered that I can now edit my posts too.
To The Realist I suggest you re-read some of your posts (June 15th 2009 @ 3.58pm) This has nothing to do with tall poppy syndrome and more to do with the lack of quality of your posts.
You have an opinion and thats fine, but to put down others who have a different opinion shows a lower level of intelligence.
…and he’s named after the father of the mass produced motor car. Falcon is the best Australian built car ever. End of story. F6 is best locally made performance car ever. End of story. When the coyote engine is released it will be an M5 & AMG slayer. End of story.
I see the re-engined and “dramaticaaly repriced” XFR Jaguar @ $208,000 “claims” a 0-100 time at 4.9 seconds.
So in the real world it’ll probably get 5.0-5.1 seconds just like the world class $65,000 F6 gets, which BTW uses the same gearbox.
Is this smaller, heavier, XFR really worth three times the price of the local performance hero or is this a case of the Jaguar distributor ripping us off blind and behaving like a bunch of spoilt fat cats.
Thankfully it looks like we won’t have to wait long to have our own locally made and fairly priced 5.0 litre supercharged car and then the fat cat Jag distributors, can go sharpen their claws somewhere else.
Simple Says:
June 18th, 2009 at 8:29 am
“To The Realist I suggest you re-read some of your posts (June 15th 2009 @ 3.58pm) This has nothing to do with tall poppy syndrome and more to do with the lack of quality of your posts.”
Not really – I was called names purely due to greater financial success. Do I need to quote these individuals?
When I state facts people get upset… I still remember the howls of abuse when I mentioned Holden hadn’t made a profit in five years.
“You have an opinion and thats fine, but to put down others who have a different opinion shows a lower level of intelligence.”
Put down? Where?
To the Realist – How do you measure your financial success against others expressing their views relating to this topic? Since when does driving a particular make or model of car, equate to beign successful (you might want to read what car Bill Gates and Warren Buffet drive – do you consider them to be financially successful?)
What makes you an expert on our “unproductive automotive industry” I take it you have substational knowledge and experience of this industry?
As for your comments about put downs as I said re read what you wrote June 15th 2009 @ 3.58pm – I dont think I need to explain it in any more detail.
Charles,
I realise how auto dimming mirrors work.
They can easily be identified as they are a little more bulky than the conventional sort.
Not trying to be smart, but did you pull that explanation out of your vehicles manual????
They work in much the same way as an auto darkening welding helmet, except a welding helmet will switch in something like “point many zeros of a second”.
The panel used to detect light is pretty much a solar panel like you get on your typical calculator.
Hey, you didnt answer my question, what are you driving, and what did you pay???
my dogs name is Henry………well said. Totally true in every respect……..the FG is by far the best Aussie built car ever and kills some so called premium brands that cost triple the money. F6 is a legend and anyone who hasnt driven one is missing out ………….it really is hard to believe just how good this car is. The Coyote V8 will re-ignite the V8 scene and GM wont have anything to combat it with because they probably wont spend any more money on V8’s because they have to spend up big on small cars. Cant wait to drive the Coyote V8 and the all alloy direct injection F6 …………WOW !!!!
…and he’s named after the father of the mass produced motor car.
@ Variable Cam Timing
Amen to that brother! Hallelujah!!
It’s game over HSV. End of story.
…and he’s named after the father of the mass produced motor car.
@ Ford and FPV.
Years ago when XW and XY GT Falcons roamed the earth in abundance you released the GT-HO, and time stood still and men gave up their wives and families just to watch and listen as one drove past. You created history.
Based on this story with the S/C Coyote engine the GT-HO seems to be on the way back, which would cause spontaneous ticker tape parades and dancing in the streets to erupt around the world. Whales would stop beaching themselves and the Taliban would lay down their arms. The world would be a great place again.
Now here’s the point of this post. Don’t leave the F6 out in the cold. It is a brilliant car, yet you could really drive home your advantage and dominate this market rightfully embarrassing your competitors. Take the F6 off it’s leash. Build a HO version oall it the F6-R, or F6-RR or some such nomenclature. Give it big horsepower, maybe twin turbo, purposeful styling, a lighter body, big rubber, and a sensible price tag (take note of the failed W427).
The benefits are many, including the rest of the I6 range would revel in the reflected glory, and highlight again how good this engine is, and how poor the GM engine is.
You can create history again.
Andrew No I didn`t pull it out of the manual, I got it off the net and copied and pasted it, LOL. Oh the answer to your other question, R32 and it was 2nd hand because I don`t see the value of buying brand new cars of any sort, its a total waste of money, plus I like to drive the car before I purchase it.
Simple Says:
June 18th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
“To the Realist – How do you measure your financial success against others expressing their views relating to this topic? Since when does driving a particular make or model of car, equate to beign successful (you might want to read what car Bill Gates and Warren Buffet drive – do you consider them to be financially successful?)”
I don’t equate driving a nice car to financial success.
“What makes you an expert on our “unproductive automotive industry” I take it you have substational knowledge and experience of this industry?”
Just articles I have read from Harvard Business Review, AFR, and selected other sources. Plus we studied the subject during several subjects of my Executive MBA.
“As for your comments about put downs as I said re read what you wrote June 15th 2009 @ 3.58pm – I dont think I need to explain it in any more detail.”
Do you mean the use of the word “pleb”?
Variable Cam Timing Says:
June 18th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
“the FG is by far the best Aussie built car ever and kills some so called premium brands that cost triple the money.”
How exactly does it kill an M3 or C63 AMG? Apart from overtaking performance, it’s behind in every area as a luxury performance car.
Charles,
ha ha ha ha I knew it sounded too scripted ha ha ha
I totally agree with you on buying 2nd hand to save a heap of dosh.
Last month I shopped the market for a replacement for the 2nd car.
After looking at just about everything, it was eventually narrowed down to the Mazda.
Then I felt I didnt want to really spend too much.
I then shopped the 2nd hand market and came out buying a SP23 with all the extras like parking sensors, leather, premium sound etc, and it cost about the same as what a base model pov pac would have cost.
And with only 19,000k’s on it, and still under warranty, couldnt go wrong IMO.
But in saying that, last year I purchased a new Falcon.
I felt it was justified because the FG is a great leap in the right direction above the BF. I just could not go past it once I tried it.
I was able to negotiate a great deal, and its also tax deductable for me.
Sorry thats a bit off topic, but I suppose that brings you up to date with where I stand vehicle wise.
Back onto the features……
Im sure I could name some features the Falcon has that your R32 doesnt……
All my part of the argument is doing is saying the aussie makes offer pretty good value, and you will get what you pay for.
The only thing you mentioned that the Falcon doesnt have is the auto dimming mirror, and heated seats.
The upper spec Falcons used to have heated seats, but I think they may have stopped offering them now…..
I jump in my car many mornings when the guage reads around the zero mark, and heat in the seats never comes to mind.
I normally have a warm tush to take to my vehicle, I dont run out there nude chanting heat up, heat up.
Gosh I am so enjoying this site this week.C A could you please keep the bans forever.
Lots of varied people are contributing now,in a friendly,healthy way.
It’s so nice that the usual suspects are missing and not ruining good debates with their egos.
For a while there one would have thought that certain people were either paid commentaters ( spoilers )for the site,or indeed in BM’s case the owner.
PLEASE keep this post up for a little while C A so that many can give it the thumbs up over the next few days.
Long live C A xxxxxxxxxxx
Yeah I think the Falcon is a leap forward and its definitely a better car than a Commodore but after owning a small car and especially one with AWD I just couldn`t see myself getting a big car ever again. Having said that if I had children and was on a budget a Falcon especially a 2nd hand FPV would be on my radar
Andrew, just on the seats honestly they are a really good thing, I always thought they were a w@nk but after owning a car with them I will have to have them again.
The Realist, so your so called expereince has been gained from reading magazines (in other words you have never set foot in, or consulted with any automotive manufacturers? Have you ever balanced the advantages/disadvantages of keeping the Australian Automotive industry? Or have you simply read someone elses opinion (who may have no knowledge of the automotive industry) and blindy agreed with everything they have to say?
Just out of interest, what impact do you think (or the magazines suggest) the loss of the Australian automotive manufacturing industry will have on the Australian economy and even the Australian society?
No I dont mean the use of the world “pleb”. I was going to suggest you re read your post, but you have already done that – correct?
The Realist, I suggest you just post either facts or your opinion – there is no need to try and justify everything ie “But I live in a seven figure home and drive a six figure car, as does my wife.” If your arguement is strong enough it will stand on its own.
You have no idea as to what house other people live in, or what car(s) they have or haven’t had, so that information is irrelevant.
This is abit of an insite for what ford US has planned for this new 5.0ltr V8. Bring it on baby
A radical twin-fuel engine from Ford, code-named “Bobcat,” that variably blends gasoline and ethanol on demand to realize diesel-like performance continues to make steady progress in its development, according to presentations made by the automaker to the Department of Energy and Society of Automotive Engineers in April. The presentations also provide a first look at the engine’s architecture and make some remarkable claims about “E85-optimized” engine efficiency versus size.
The Bobcat engine starts with a small turbocharged engine with separate gasoline and ethanol (E85) fuel injectors for each cylinder. The gasoline system mixes fuel and air in the motor’s intake manifold using port injection. The second system uses direct injection to introduce small amounts of ethanol directly into the combustion chamber to control premature detonation, or knock, which results from the high temperature and pressure of a turbocharged engine. The ethanol prevents knock by cooling the air/fuel mixture until the engine is ready for combustion. With knock suppressed, the compression ratio can be increased.
Ford’s engineering partner, Ethanol Boosting Systems, LLC of Cambridge, Mass., has trademarked the term “DI Octane Boost” to describe the process; the direct injection of ethanol effectively increases the octane of regular gasoline from 88-91 octane to more than 150 octane.
The percentage mix of gasoline and ethanol varies according to load. In low- to medium-load conditions, only port-injected gasoline may be required. Direct-injected ethanol is added and increased as a function of load but only in the amount necessary to prevent knock. Using such technology, a 5.0-liter V-8 Bobcat engine could potentially produce 500 horsepower and 750 pounds-feet or more of torque.
Two 3-D computer-rendered diagrams included in Ford’s DOE presentation show the front and rear views of such an engine using a 90-degree V-block design. Two massive air/water heat exchangers sit atop the engine to cool turbocharged air before it enters the throttle body and intake manifold. Twin turbos sit on the lower right and left sides.
A separate engine cutaway diagram of a Bobcat motor shows the positioning of a gasoline port injector and ethanol direct injector. The gasoline and ethanol would be stored in two separate fuel tanks.
EBS claims that relative to today’s common port fuel injected gasoline engines in cars and light-duty trucks, direct-injection ethanol boosting would provide a fuel efficiency gain for typical combined city/highway driving of 25 to 30 percent, at an incremental cost of $1,100 to $1,500, depending on the size of the vehicle. The efficiency gain and torque are comparable to current turbodiesel engines, like Ford’s 350-hp/650 lbs.-ft. 6.4-liter Power Stroke, but at about a third of the cost and with the advantage of cleaner emissions without expensive exhaust aftertreatment hardware.
Ethanol boosting also promises 5 to 10 percent greater fuel economy than Ford’s new line of gasoline-turbocharged direct-injection EcoBoost engines, which it’s based on. Ford’s DOE presentation says, “The E85 optimized engine and the dual fuel concept are logical extensions of Ford’s ‘EcoBoost’ strategy.”
Another way to measure efficiency, regardless of engine architecture, is through a metric called Brake Mean Effective Pressure. BMEP quantifies the amount of work an engine can do versus its displacement by measuring the average pressure exerted on an engine’s pistons. The more efficient an engine is, the higher its BMEP score.
According to Ford’s SAE presentation, an experimental 3.5-liter GTDI EcoBoost engine modified with E85 direct injection and gasoline port fuel injection run on a dynamometer achieved a BMEP score of 305 psi (27 bar), which translates to approximately 553 pounds-feet of torque and 316-hp at 3,000 rpm (flat torque curve from 1,500 to 3,000 rpm). The experimental engine was limited by the engine block’s ability to handle higher compression ratios. In comparison, a standard GTDI EcoBoost engine on a dyno was rated at 17 bar, which translates to approximately 350 pounds-feet of torque and 300-hp at 4,500 rpm (flat torque curve from 1,500 to 4,500 rpm).
As we mentioned earlier, ethanol use increases with engine load. A potential drawback to the Bobcat engine would be access to an ethanol refueling infrastructure, especially when a truck is working hard pulling a trailer or climbing hills.
Ford’s SAE presentation provides several range estimates for refueling a 5.0-liter Bobcat V-8 with a 10 gallon E85 tank and 26 gallon gas tank compared to a current Ford F-150 with a 5.4-liter V-8 and 26 gallon gas tank. Under mild driving conditions, the 5.0-liter E85 tank might have to be refilled only once every 20,000 miles and the gas tank refilled every 528 miles. Today’s 5.4-liter V-8 is said to have a 486 mile range under these conditions. However, an extreme towing scenario with the 5.0-liter V-8 pulling a fully-loaded trailer up a constant 6 percent grade could mean refilling the E85 tank as often as every 100 miles. That would be more often than the gas tank, which has an expected range of 243 miles under those conditions. Today’s 5.4-liter V-8 is said to have a 99 mile range under these conditions.
If the ethanol tank did run dry, the Bobcat engine could operate indefinitely with lower performance using only gasoline until a source of E85 could be found.
Under most operating conditions, however, Ford’s Bobcat engine could be the right powertrain at the right time to meet newly mandated corporate average fuel economy requirements that require fuel efficiency standard for all light trucks (crossovers, pickup trucks, SUVs and vans) to rise to 30 mpg by 2016, from 23.1 mpg today.
Will it work in the real world? Ford will try out its theories outside of computer simulations and the laboratory before the end of the year when a Bobcat engine is tested in an F-Series pickup for the first time.
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Wheels stated an NA 351 might be on the cards insted of this blown 5 liter,what about a blown 351,this new engine is said to be over 100kgs lighter in weight,that should fix the nose heavy handling,but will that make it 100kgs lighter than Commodore??Thats a big weight advantage,looks like the Commodore could be off to weight watchers.Also does HO stand for High Output or Handling option???GO FORD and GO NSW,oh I’ll have too wait till next year,but isn’t QLDs best player a NSW Boy.
I’m a Ford & FPV supporter, so I love them and I’m excited for them to produce something that could potentially defeat HSV’s best! The Supercharger on the V8 will be awesome , the loud whine is cool & I like loud noises! I was wondering if Ford Australia could get Mustang, GT or other performance engines from Ford North America. Imagine a Falcon can perform like a Mustang GT500KR Super Snake & SALEEN Mustang Extreme. Anyway the new FPV GT should be fantastic. Can’t wait to see it in production & I hope the new 2010 Falcon GT will feature in a video game. Go FPV & good luck to them!
About time Ford did something to improve the performance of their V8’s.
Am sick of blowing them away with my petite supercharged V6.
Anything has to be better than that XR6Turbo pile of junk.
I guess ur old 186 holden blows off the new F6 aswell hey? Supercharged V6….hahahahahahahahahahahahaha….hang on let me catch my breath……..ok….hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. The base model falcon 6 owned that s&*t box supercharged V6. Ur a very funny perspon
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i think this car will be great, i wonder if it could end up reaching the 90-100 k mark, i suppose it would be alright though, cause if it has the same power as the 2010 mustang gt500 (540hp/ 400kw) it would be more powerful than the HSV w427 for cheaper (the hsv is around 150,000k and has 500hp/ 370kw)
now if Ford or GM really wanted to take control of the large car market in Australia they would take a leaf out of the design books of the Europeans Japs and Koreans.
The leaders in engine technology are producing 4lt V8s that are simply awesome in performance and economy, if Ford and Holden can spruik about how they have been able to produce smaller, more powerful V6 engines for falcon and commodore why can they not reproduce these advances and give us a 4.0 or dare i say it a 4.2lt V8 that would pull my boat or van.
for heavens sake if toyota and hyundai can put 4lt v8’s in their american versions it makes the big 2 look plain stupid.
If 4 litres of V8 is good enough for Maserati then by golly its good enough for me.
There’s no substitute for cubic inches.
If it were otherwise the Veyron would have a turbo 1.6…your argument has more holes than Mel Gibson’s apology
you all say that it will bet any hsv but fpv isnt the only australia car marker thats testing new cars. in september hsv is set to unleash it new range. it will be faster and better in everyway. ford australias fpv range cant kept up with any hsv now…. they just break traction and sit there,they cant go around tracks very well there to ’soft’ they might not even have the turbo six in couple of years so there goes fords greatest engine. plus u wont even be able to buy a v8 ‘ford falcon’……
lol yes they did upgrade the hsv lol its now ugly and the GTS makes 8kws more
Oh everyone is so deluded….
FPV won’t be bringing out a ‘charged V8…. its not financially viable for them to do it…
Not sure if anyone here understands how business works, but generally car makers go out there to build and design cars that MAKE THEM MONEY….
not to provide a safer vehichle, or a more economical vehicle, its all about MAKING money….
How many people that would love a GT falcon (old or new) actually will ever own one? 1 in 10, 1 in 100?? Probably more like 1 in 1000… (or more?? REALIST?)
So why would they go and develop a car that has mind-blowing power and stats when nobody will actually buy the thing…
Look at the W427…. weren’t we all super excited when that came out at the motor show… ooohh yeah wicked fast 7litre commodore… i’d buy that for $150k… they were gonna make 427 of them… ($64million if all sold)… instead they only made 130 odd ($19.5million)… bah, only missed the mark by $45million…
its all in the figures….
I’d love to see a supercharged GT… or the re-birth of the GT-HO (40th anniversary of the phase 3 next year)… but it just won’t happen…
God you can go and by an XW/XY GT now for less than $100 grand…. if ya gonna go buy a new falcon for $100k at least check out the old ones…. they’ve got character and charm…
I’ve said my piece….