Got to laugh at this quote!!!! Ha Ha Ha.

Toyota get spin from where ever they can find it.Ha Ha Ha.

If it blows up u will have to fix it Mr Castles!!!!

…and the cv joints!!!ha ha ha.

Mr Castle must be really mesmerised by the quality of the FG turbo!!!!

I’m supposedly a Toyota fan but sadly, they’re still missing the point. They make TRD versions of a simple family car and a pick-up which you will never see in a racetrack anyway. I know they’re coming up with a new flagship coupe in the future, but if they really want to reflect their motorsports participation on the road based on their claim that they join more races than any other manufacturer, they have to come up with something, maybe fill in the gap between the Corolla and Camry. Yes, I’m thinking of a Mazda 6/Accord Euro fighter. A Corona revival perhaps?

and one of the reasons you wont get me into an aurion is they dont have the grunt i need. have you seen the towing capacity on them? that is one of their big downsides at the moment. its like 2/3 the capacity that their competitors offer

Although I must admit I wouldnt get a HSV becuase they are overpriced and their reliability is something to be desired… nevertheless imo they look very nice. Saw an R8 today and its certainly a great looking car… cant say the same about the rest of the VE range though.

TRD Aurion will be more affordable and Im thinking they will give it a very competitive list of features to not only match those seen in cars $10k more (FPV, HSV etc) but overtake… well Im hoping at least, given that they are targetting the Liberty GT which is a luxury range and they have to make up for only being FWD.

HSV’s may have alot of grunt but their quality, reliability and overall performance is very ordinary. The 5.7 V8 was an obsolute dog of a donk that drank oil, slapped pistons and siezed engines. HSV’s are also widely renouned for premature brake failure (what good is that), overheating fluids and punishing tyres.

Allow me to refer back to the January edition of ‘Motor’ and it’s performance car shootout. From 20 competitors HSV fellout at a very dismal 18th with what was described as brake fade after just one lap…. 1 lap, is that it – absolutely pathetic !!

The TRD Aurion may not have the outright grunt but i’m sure it will be far better sorted/refined package with a high standard of quality, packaging and fit-n-finish. This combined with Lexus’s new supercar offerings (IS-F & and hopefully the LF-A) will goe a longway of enhancing Toyota’s already very powerful reputation. The TRD Aurion may not compare directly to HSV’s and FPV’s but the Lexus offerings will kill ‘em.

QUOTE = i think you are getting a bit carried away here. for one you dream of a 270kw with 440nm????
ford already has 270kw with 550nm. so yeah 440 would kick ass (not) and AWD would put weight above the ford.

I dream of 270kw etc what mate? I said 240kw and 400Nm is what the TRD Aurion is supposedly… Ford does 270kw and 550Nm in a 1800kg barge for more $$$… the Aurion isnt just about power figures n e way, its about the overall package, Im just stating facts, its going to do the 100 in 6s which is more then respectable for a ‘fridge’!

QUOTE = i know how turbo works too. you wont get an aftermarket turbo fitted PROPORLY for under $4k. you cant just bolt em on and go you know? the engine has to be tuned for it exhaust changed and a heap of other things just to make it run efficiently, and they will do up the brakes a bit too. also try to make a warranty claim after you take it in
with a bolt on “supercheap” part.

Yes I do… very well, $4k is a reasonable estimate.

QUOTE = Also “LP” started my next point, what boost would it run? Answer… a hell of a lot more than the falcon has to. once you start boosting engines, the bigger the capacity the less boost you need. the XR6T can easily do 400kw. so once the aurion gets to 240kw how much further could it go?? Answer… not too much more. take a look at the WRX, EVO etc

Come’on mate get your hand off it… how can you tell me the Aurion is running more boost and cant handle anymore boost? For starters the Aurion in power terms is only going up by 40kw compared to the Falcon by 55kw from XR6… so initial comparison wouldnt make you think its running more. Furthermore in relation to be able to run more, the Aurions engine also comes with a direct injection variant with 230kw, so its being supercharged at 240kw is only going 10kw beyond what it was designed to do… while the Falcon is going 55kw over what it was originally intended for! Im not saying any of this is set in stone (as supercharging for example places different strains on the engine then direct injection), but on paper I think your comments are baseless.

QUOTE = whats the good of Aurion peaking at 4700rpm? what the hell are you doing up there?? its too late by then. as stated earlier falcon delivers it all from 2000rpm so you would want to hope toyota can bring it down a bit. 2000rpm is cruising revs so with the ford you dont have to go looking for it. yet again another characteristic of the larger capacity motor

Notice how I put that word ‘peak’ in capitals… peak torque is not everything. It has 80% torque from as low down as the Falcon… and given its lighter this all has the net effect of giving it more then enough torque to pull along effortless at low RPMS. The supercharger is just going to raise this figure so that you get a higher peak torque, over a wider band.

i know how turbo works too. you wont get an aftermarket turbo fitted PROPORLY for under $4k. you cant just bolt em on and go you know? the engine has to be tuned for it exhaust changed and a heap of other things just to make it run efficiently, and they will do up the brakes a bit too. also try to make a warranty claim after you take it in
with a bolt on “supercheap” part.

Also “LP” started my next point, what boost would it run? Answer… a hell of a lot more than the falcon has to. once you start boosting engines, the bigger the capacity the less boost you need. the XR6T can easily do 400kw. so once the aurion gets to 240kw how much further could it go?? Answer… not too much more. take a look at the WRX, EVO etc. it costs you an arm and a leg if you even want to go searching for more, because they are near maxed out.

whats the good of Aurion peaking at 4700rpm? what the hell are you doing up there?? its too late by then. as stated earlier falcon delivers it all from 2000rpm so you would want to hope toyota can bring it down a bit. 2000rpm is cruising revs so with the ford you dont have to go looking for it. yet again another characteristic of the larger capacity motor

As for your ‘more expensive comment’… not sure what your talking about exactly. All I know is the Aurion has been Toyota/TRDs effort at getting into the family car market, they are offering great value for money when you compare their price to what they give in terms of features. The TRD Aurion will be no different, they already said its going up against the Liberty GT etc so instantly you can assume its going to have many of the luxury features seen in the Aurion Presara (top model Aurion) along with reasonable performance from its engine (0-100km/h in 6secs isnt to shabby)

So because it is more expensive it’s better??? The base model Commodore is $36490 and the Aurion is $34990. Does this mean you think the Commodore is better??

And the TRD isnt the top model… its called Lexus! Admittably the TRD Aurion is in another league the XR6T, offering higher levels of luxury with decent performance. Im just comparing engine performance with the XR6T, overall package you cannot deny that the Aurion is better… its more expensive afterall. I think it will not really steal sales from but provide an option to FPVs and HSVs… cheaper, more luxury, slightly worse performance.

QUOTE = Power without Torque isn’t impressive. What the XR6T DOES provide is effortless power from the get go as with the 245kw it gives you 480Nm from 2000-4500rpm (or so, you can correct me if I’m wrong). You can talk up the v6 supercharger till the cows come home, but the rear wheel drive XR6T is more likely to deliver.

Yes but the torque is decent… set to be 400Nm+. Remember the Aurion is also marginally lighter then the XR6T as well… and the Falcon which has roughly the same difference in torque is in fact slightly slower then the Aurion to 100km/h which produces PEAK torque at 4700RPM (Supercharger is going to bring that right down). Expect very low 6s for the TRD Aurion to 100km/h coupled with a features list that will put cars $20k more expensive (ie HSV) to shame. Cant wait to see some TRD Aurions on the road smoking XR6Ts in STYLE… the look on their faces will be priceless.