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		<title>By: Left Lane Lover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Left Lane Lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew M/
Thanks for the information regarding LPG.I didn&#039;t know by how much or over how long it would increase.I desire an LPG car next,for the economic reasons of course.
And just to correct you there,I didn&#039;t say nor infer that anyone should steer clear of it !
Cheers,LLL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew M/<br />
Thanks for the information regarding LPG.I didn&#8217;t know by how much or over how long it would increase.I desire an LPG car next,for the economic reasons of course.<br />
And just to correct you there,I didn&#8217;t say nor infer that anyone should steer clear of it !<br />
Cheers,LLL.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/32367/holden-wont-be-sold-at-least-not-now-md/#comment-136355</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Left Lane Lover,
Yes Im sure most realise that LPG will start to be taxed shortly. The Proposal was put in place quite a while ago and going by the first issue, it was meant to already in in place, but it has been delayed.
The proposal is to increase it 2.5cpl per year for 5 years which will see 12.5cpl imposed on the fuel.

It will still be an economical fuel alternative.
LPG would have to put on 50cpl before you saw it as break even.

And on top of that in QLD they are about to cut the fuel subsidy that is currently in place which would only be level with any LPG price increase aswell.

Also with the upcoming development on LPG vehicles, the economy will improve meaning that they will consume less and in turn cost less to fuel.

Do you think we should also steer clear of electric vehicles because the electricity costs are going up like a rocket???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Left Lane Lover,<br />
Yes Im sure most realise that LPG will start to be taxed shortly. The Proposal was put in place quite a while ago and going by the first issue, it was meant to already in in place, but it has been delayed.<br />
The proposal is to increase it 2.5cpl per year for 5 years which will see 12.5cpl imposed on the fuel.</p>
<p>It will still be an economical fuel alternative.<br />
LPG would have to put on 50cpl before you saw it as break even.</p>
<p>And on top of that in QLD they are about to cut the fuel subsidy that is currently in place which would only be level with any LPG price increase aswell.</p>
<p>Also with the upcoming development on LPG vehicles, the economy will improve meaning that they will consume less and in turn cost less to fuel.</p>
<p>Do you think we should also steer clear of electric vehicles because the electricity costs are going up like a rocket???</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T/S,
lets wind back the record.......
QUOTE............

&quot;big sixes will become as relevant as a steam engine train.&quot;

You said big 6&#039;s were going to become irrelevant.
Of course 6&#039;s will be higher rego (they have always been), but what ever became of buying a vehicle for purpose???

Not everyone that buys a vehicle is a penny pincher.

Also to say small 4cyl diesels are equivalent to big 6&#039;s is a definate sign that you have never towed with anything.

For a fact the I6 tows rings around the Hilux 3.0L diesel.
4cyls arent really that much more economical. Take the closest in size to a large car with a 4cyl in it Camry as a prime example.
Your typical small cars that that offer similar performance to a base Falcon can actually drink more.

I may have gone a bit of the tangent there so to re-cap

You said big 6&#039;s will become irrelevant.
I and many others here feel strongly that if they do become irrelevant, its a long way off because there are a lot of traits in large cars that arent even close to be being replaced by a small car</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T/S,<br />
lets wind back the record&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
QUOTE&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;big sixes will become as relevant as a steam engine train.&#8221;</p>
<p>You said big 6&#8242;s were going to become irrelevant.<br />
Of course 6&#8242;s will be higher rego (they have always been), but what ever became of buying a vehicle for purpose???</p>
<p>Not everyone that buys a vehicle is a penny pincher.</p>
<p>Also to say small 4cyl diesels are equivalent to big 6&#8242;s is a definate sign that you have never towed with anything.</p>
<p>For a fact the I6 tows rings around the Hilux 3.0L diesel.<br />
4cyls arent really that much more economical. Take the closest in size to a large car with a 4cyl in it Camry as a prime example.<br />
Your typical small cars that that offer similar performance to a base Falcon can actually drink more.</p>
<p>I may have gone a bit of the tangent there so to re-cap</p>
<p>You said big 6&#8242;s will become irrelevant.<br />
I and many others here feel strongly that if they do become irrelevant, its a long way off because there are a lot of traits in large cars that arent even close to be being replaced by a small car</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile (.)(.)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile (.)(.)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah hun but people in general arent that smart.They dont think that far ahead just what they have used or done in the past with their cars and what will accommodate that same need in the future.

We bought the Cruzer not just for towing but for where we lived, Goldfields is full of Roos and Emus and are damn dangerous if you hit them . So using the Cruzer for towing was just one advantage . 

Happy moving ,something Im not looking forward too once my house is sold. Cost for someone else to move me up the road would be thousands from the stuff Ive got,Ill be getting my brother with his B class license to drive a renter 8 ton truck [several trips yes} and save myself some big dollars ;)

Hate Moving! grrrrrrrrrrrr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah hun but people in general arent that smart.They dont think that far ahead just what they have used or done in the past with their cars and what will accommodate that same need in the future.</p>
<p>We bought the Cruzer not just for towing but for where we lived, Goldfields is full of Roos and Emus and are damn dangerous if you hit them . So using the Cruzer for towing was just one advantage . </p>
<p>Happy moving ,something Im not looking forward too once my house is sold. Cost for someone else to move me up the road would be thousands from the stuff Ive got,Ill be getting my brother with his B class license to drive a renter 8 ton truck [several trips yes} and save myself some big dollars <img src='http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hate Moving! grrrrrrrrrrrr</p>
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		<title>By: The Salesman</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Salesman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am saying our own government is making a strong argument that we shouldn’t buy a 6 anything. Increased stamp duty (2% for a 4 and 3.5% for a 6), registration and then the global emissions trading scheme will make more financial sense for private and business buyers alike. I am saying in order for local manufactures to survive they need to get in front of the current market and take hold of the lead. Four cylinder sales have increased by 27% in the last 12 months. The market is dominated by imported fours from Japan, Korea and Germany. No wonder the Australian manufactures are suffering, were are the aussie fours?  

Frontman.
How often would you have five passengers in your car on a trip to the Goldie? And how often are you just by yourself in peak hour traffic or running around town? Yes a 6 running at constant temperature and speed will use less than 8 liters/100km on the highway but, that’s not all the driving the average mum and dad do. You would be just as cozy in a diesel Sorento or Soul on your Goldie trip and they get 5.18 liters/100km.

BM
Yes, we will always need the right tool for towing. But what % of towing would the average mum and dad do and what % of around town would they do? 
I am about to move house (true story) it will cost me $110.00 an hour for the removals company to do everything in about three hours. Even if I did all the towing/moving myself I would have to own a trailer (or hire, borrow one) according to the discussion I would need a 6 cyl Falcon/Commodore. After you add up the cost of owning a 6, buying a trailer Vs paying someone $330.00 what is more cost effective?. I am not moving once a year. Not to mention I won’t have to break my back shifting furniture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am saying our own government is making a strong argument that we shouldn’t buy a 6 anything. Increased stamp duty (2% for a 4 and 3.5% for a 6), registration and then the global emissions trading scheme will make more financial sense for private and business buyers alike. I am saying in order for local manufactures to survive they need to get in front of the current market and take hold of the lead. Four cylinder sales have increased by 27% in the last 12 months. The market is dominated by imported fours from Japan, Korea and Germany. No wonder the Australian manufactures are suffering, were are the aussie fours?  </p>
<p>Frontman.<br />
How often would you have five passengers in your car on a trip to the Goldie? And how often are you just by yourself in peak hour traffic or running around town? Yes a 6 running at constant temperature and speed will use less than 8 liters/100km on the highway but, that’s not all the driving the average mum and dad do. You would be just as cozy in a diesel Sorento or Soul on your Goldie trip and they get 5.18 liters/100km.</p>
<p>BM<br />
Yes, we will always need the right tool for towing. But what % of towing would the average mum and dad do and what % of around town would they do?<br />
I am about to move house (true story) it will cost me $110.00 an hour for the removals company to do everything in about three hours. Even if I did all the towing/moving myself I would have to own a trailer (or hire, borrow one) according to the discussion I would need a 6 cyl Falcon/Commodore. After you add up the cost of owning a 6, buying a trailer Vs paying someone $330.00 what is more cost effective?. I am not moving once a year. Not to mention I won’t have to break my back shifting furniture.</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile (.)(.)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile (.)(.)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Salesy........shhhhhhhhhhhhhh lets not speak of it again.

Seriously wont we always need the right tool for towing ? We still live in a big Country and do leave its City outskirts a few times a year .

Perhaps in the near future the 6 &amp; 8 will be culled but we will need a powerful 4 to take its place {still in a family size car I think} and for it to be more economical than the 6 &amp; 8 to be viable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Salesy&#8230;&#8230;..shhhhhhhhhhhhhh lets not speak of it again.</p>
<p>Seriously wont we always need the right tool for towing ? We still live in a big Country and do leave its City outskirts a few times a year .</p>
<p>Perhaps in the near future the 6 &amp; 8 will be culled but we will need a powerful 4 to take its place {still in a family size car I think} and for it to be more economical than the 6 &amp; 8 to be viable.</p>
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		<title>By: Frontman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frontman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T/S, Morning...
AS for the 6 v 4 debate, sitting at normal Highway cruising speed of limit plus 5%, on cruise control with 4 adults on board going for a long weekend on the Goldie how much better than the 7.3l/100km attained by the BF2 XT ESP (ZF + ESP &amp; Alloys) would your Kias give? Add to that how much more comfortable were my passengers? 
Now sure, as for people buying a second car to be driven to and from the office and such, the Soul and Rio and tath are good, but then so is a $21,990 ranger for Dad (a large market for those is the second car market). But every Family still has the larger car for family outings, even if it is the company car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T/S, Morning&#8230;<br />
AS for the 6 v 4 debate, sitting at normal Highway cruising speed of limit plus 5%, on cruise control with 4 adults on board going for a long weekend on the Goldie how much better than the 7.3l/100km attained by the BF2 XT ESP (ZF + ESP &amp; Alloys) would your Kias give? Add to that how much more comfortable were my passengers?<br />
Now sure, as for people buying a second car to be driven to and from the office and such, the Soul and Rio and tath are good, but then so is a $21,990 ranger for Dad (a large market for those is the second car market). But every Family still has the larger car for family outings, even if it is the company car.</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LHL ,Running a car economically [be it a 6cyl or a V8] doesn&#039;t depend so much on the priced of fuel but more on the drivers attitude and how heavy s/he is with their right foot. It also depends on how well your car is maintained etc
 
Sure petrol or LPG may be $1.20 a liter and it may cost you $60-80 to fill up [from running on empty] however what determines a cars economy [as always] is how much distance you can cover out of one tank of petrol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LHL ,Running a car economically [be it a 6cyl or a V8] doesn&#8217;t depend so much on the priced of fuel but more on the drivers attitude and how heavy s/he is with their right foot. It also depends on how well your car is maintained etc</p>
<p>Sure petrol or LPG may be $1.20 a liter and it may cost you $60-80 to fill up [from running on empty] however what determines a cars economy [as always] is how much distance you can cover out of one tank of petrol</p>
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		<title>By: The Salesman</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Salesman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi BM. The right tool for the right job. I agree. A diesel four cyl RWD would be adequate for the average aussie’s towing requirements. I don’t see any road trains in metro areas. You towed a Falcon with a Landcruiser? That would cause a debate on its own if certain readers were able to blog here still.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi BM. The right tool for the right job. I agree. A diesel four cyl RWD would be adequate for the average aussie’s towing requirements. I don’t see any road trains in metro areas. You towed a Falcon with a Landcruiser? That would cause a debate on its own if certain readers were able to blog here still.</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile (.)(.)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile (.)(.)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its the size/weight of the vehicle its in that also is needed in towing though Salesy................Not to mention most of the 4s are FWD as well.

Ive passed triple road trains in a Landcruiser towing a 1800kg Falcon ,no FWD diesel 4 is going to be able to that safely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its the size/weight of the vehicle its in that also is needed in towing though Salesy&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.Not to mention most of the 4s are FWD as well.</p>
<p>Ive passed triple road trains in a Landcruiser towing a 1800kg Falcon ,no FWD diesel 4 is going to be able to that safely.</p>
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