Guys, these are great spy shots, congrats to the phptographer, I hope they’re planning more!!!

Well done!!! Being a female first thing I noticed was the bulge still in the bonnet! Not sure about the interior ,too early for us to know. Remember when the BA GT came out at the motor shows,windows were blacked out as there was no GT interiors fitted still at that stage! The GT version must be on it around the corner as look how low its sitting over the tyres! Also it has a tow bar !! Yippy lets hope they have put a cut out in the bumper for it this time.

Great shots as usual. Strange that the GT/GTP mule doesn’t have a spoiler. I wonder if this is just to keep the spoiler design under wraps or that they just aren’t coming with one.

it could be the force 8

The spoiler would be used in the wind tunnel. They should be keeping Force 8. Wait and see. Oh Holden watch out.

Great. Looks better everytime I look at it. I still don’t know about the back though.

I think the wing will still be there ,but later!

So much for all the dribble of the orion being a ‘fresh ‘ design compared with VE, looks like a reconstituted AU once again…ugly stickX2

That space saver tyre, maybe thats for the LPG falcons. I’m not sure correct me if i’m wrong some, lpg falcons have space savers as standard and some dealers put full sizers in their place? Funny they use a BFmkII which hints that they are afraid the tyre might pop and send the car crashing, meaning ford dont trust that tyre to be driving a expensive test car. Hmmm. Thats promising. Or the BF Falcon wagon weighs more so they test the heavier car on that tyre, which might suggest the new falcon is lighter?

In no particular order can I suggest,

a. it’s not a particular long front overhang when you have to package an INLINE 6 cylinder which a definite strength, rather than a V6. Besides the detail visible in the GT (?) photos show some nice design in the front headlights which are reminiscent of the Mondeo lights … I like it.

b. Everyone gets emotional on space saver tyres and I would prefer a full size spare myself, but making them available as an option for customers who dont worry about such stuff gives plenty of advantages in packaging and luggage space. I’d bet that Ford wont make it standard … just as an option. Currently, the only standard space saver in BF Falcon is on LPG Sedans, but a full size spare is available as a factory build option.

c. the reason I’d suggest that the GT doesn’t have a spoiler is that they would likely put camouflage over it and it would be impossible to see rearward.

c. Looking at the pictures I’m really liking what I’m seeing on the front styling of the car on the GT car. When you compare the firewall forward on the Orion to the BF Wagon … the front box looks far more muscular and dare I say it, has a bit of VT Commodore curve in it without the flared guards. The headlights are a strong feature and very contemporary. I think they will give the car a very powerful presence looking front on.

e. with the camo over the roofline its hard to know for sure whether they have fixed the problems getting into the vehicle (bumping heads) but the roofline looks a lot squarer which gives hope.

f. One thing I do hope that Ford addresses is the passive and active safety package. Stability control standard to complement ABS, EBD and traction control already there. Dual front and side curtain airbags as a minimum standard on ALL models with side (seat fitted) airbags also preferred. No more of this nonsense from Ford (and GM) about the lower models having to pay extra for side, curtain airbags or DSC … it’s ridiculous and ignoring the competitors (including medium size cars) who are making them all standard.

g. If they can get an obvious uplift in build and fitment quality (particularly the interior) then they will be on a good thing!

Its all very exciting though … can’t wait for the car to arrive. The Commode had to spend a billion bucks to catch up in so many areas to Falcon (IRS, driving dynamics, steering). 10% to 20% improvement in certain areas and it will continue to exceed the Commode for driving experience (other than high power V8) … I dont reckon will waste money chasing something they cant beat … better to stick with their comparitive advantage in the 6 cylinder engines and blow the SS models away by turbo power …

LOL at you people and the ugly stick. Get over yourselves and remove your colective penises from your Holdens exhaust pipe…

The car hasn’t even been released and you are out in force. Lets just wait and see whether the VE will still be as good once Orion is out.

GO the xr8 i wonder what mags they designed this time as these mags i see look like the xr5 maybe have biger ones for xr in that same concept.

Barney Rubble said
June 16 2007 @ 12:58 am

So much for all the dribble of the orion being a ‘fresh ‘ design compared with VE, looks like a reconstituted AU once again…ugly stickX2
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haha, the VE front looks a pug nosed BA falcon! and
the ugly stick is waiting above the VE…

Talk about drible…

i really like the gt modle but im thinking its the force 8 because it doesnt make sence why they would leave the spoiler out. plus these are the best pics ive seen so far

then wers the spoiler BOB

yea thats what i thought but i wasn’t shore lol

Holden is already losing big bucks on there billion dollar baby

paul i think that would change when the new falcon comes out again…. it always have the best 6 on the market, most power, most torque!!!

QUOTE = Where’s the performance version?
even the TRD whatever has been watered down because anything FWD with over 200kw suffers torque steer.

Well I heard torque steer torque steer torque steer about the Aurion with 200kw on front wheels… Im sure they will work something out to get that power down effectively just like that with the Aurion! And watered down? They dont want ridiculous hype, but latest news is it will be 240kw and 400Nm… thats only slightly off the XR6T which is half a litre more in displacement, with the trump car for the TRD Aurion being that it weighs a good 150kg+ less with the same power!

QUOTE = Most powerful family six?
not in torque figues or in suspension and brakes – ever see an Aurion towing anything bigger than a box trailer.

Ive towed 700kg+ boats with a V6 Camry in the past… sure Falcon and Co are better options with higher low down torque, but the Aurion still has reasonable levels of torque… remember it is lighter as well. Brakes… I dont know where that came from, they all have similar braking power. Suspension its agued isnt the best on the Aurion, but it still handles just as well as the competition!

QUOTE = Most fuel efficient?
Well it is a smaller car. And don’t let anyone tell you differently.

Smaller yet feels still quite large inside…. class leading fuel efficiency, 9.9L per 100km, worth losing 2cm of cabin space!

QUOTE = Best Looking?
Looks are subjective but side on it looks awfully like a Camry. I wonder why.
But if you like driving something with as much street cred of a fridge so be it.

Looks are subjective but the VE is dog ugly and the current Falcon is outdated (awaiting new Falcon). Side on? Not really, it could do with some bigger and more stylish rims, the stock ones dont do it any justice.

QUOTE = Best value for money?
up to $50 grand for a rebadged Camry. I don’t think so.

Up to lol nice to point that out… how about $35k for like 6 air bags, BA, EBD, ESP, Air conditioning (wouldnt ususally mention this but Omega doesnt have it!), 200kw engine, 9.9L per 100km fuel efficency, $100 or so service for the first year or two (cant quite remember), class leading reliablity… and about a dozen other features I cant remember. Base model wise the Aurion IS the best value for money, dont deny that! As you go up the range, the gap shortens between the compeition, for example the SV6 is starting to be comparable to the SX6… but still Toyota offers other features the others dont; quality, reliability etc.

QUOTE = At the end of the day Paul if you want an over priced Camry, by all means get one, it’s your choice.

Ive just highlighted that this ‘overpriced camry’ makes your VE and Falcon look like highway robbery! It shares the central frame with the camry (which isnt a bad thing, cheaper parts duh), the rest including the interior of that central part is unique. And guess what… an Aussie helped design the whole thing! What is overpriced is asking $35k for the VE Omega… no A/C, a pre-historic 4 speed transmission, the least powerful engine at 180kw, 2 airbags (correct me if Im wrong)…etc

QUOTE = However if you want an Australian car designed by Australians for Australia, with the history, legend and sub culture that comes with the brand I suppose the Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore will have to do for us laymen.

As said, an Aussie helped designed the Aurion… the history I get is bad on the Commodore and not great on the Falcon. The VE is that well built for Aussie conditions it doesnt come with Air Conditioning!

Dont get me wrong, Im eagerly awaiting the new Falcon… I use to be a Ford fan and out of the two ‘locals’ (if you could call GM and Ford locals)… its the better option for mine, even the current Falcon I rate over the VE!

Paul- TRD is not going up against the XR6 turbo… why you ask??? its because it not a base car,,,a standard model its a specail like a GT, GTS…or who i think as a special car that is a 6… the typhoon the only car in its class in australia, a specialised 6 cylinder proformace vehicle… so lets get real…. 240Kw supercharged aurion VS the 270kw turbo charge typhoon…who will win…lol!!! and when you think about it the XR6 turbo in say a year will be a bout 260-270kw when the aurion comes out!!! lol!! and the Typhoon will be packing a punch with about 300Kw.. so bring it on TRD aurion!! lol that fingure of 240kw will look so little and crapy with a year!!! lol!!

QUOTE = Sorry i meant the new orion XR6 Turbo will have about 260-270Kw… so i think it will be close between the TRD aurion and the XR6 turbo till the new falco comes out and bye bye to the TRD

We will have to wait an see… but eitherway its my understanding that the TRD Aurion isnt all about hair raising speed, its being placed against the Liberty GT etc… combination of performance, driveability and luxury.

^

Depends which V6 Camry you have owned. I have owned a number, different engine have different characteristics, V6 Camrys with the 3VZ-FE engine have 90% torque at 2000RPM while the 1MZFE (the more recent engine) needs to be revved harder. But this is a completely new engine, its 3.5L as opposed to 3L, it has nearly 50kw more then outgoing V6 Camry, same story with torque. Read the reviews and take the Aurion for a spin… you can rest assure to get peak performance you will have to rev it, but under normal driving it has no issues and returns great fuel efficiency.

I’ve gotta say, the Falcon GT is looking HOT! Thats what I’m talking about! It’s aggressive, styling looks fantastic, the bulge is back! I think the bulge has become an ‘item’ now with the Falcon V8s (XR8 & FPV’s), sort of the same like the shaker was to the XY GT because the reason for the bulge was to fit the V8s in. Since Fairlane, LTD is no more, I think FPV will be able to splurge on the Force 8 some more, getting back to the luxury/sports market hopefuly. Keep up the good work and good on ya caradvice.com, more recognition should be given to these jokers on their site!! SP

paul i still cant figure you out,
you go on about saving fuel then you hit out in wanting great power. want to save fuel buy the gas model falcon, yes ford are still the only one to offer a decent “green” option that actually has power. and anyway the falcon economy isnt too far behind the aurion anyway and i think the new falcon should at least match it.

i have had the power/torque debate with you before so could you please stop calling the aurion the most powerfull.
also ford also runs what is possibly the best 6sp in the world so dont get too excited about your toyotas gearbox being the “ducks nuts”

and all of this aside dont forget the falcon is essencially 5 years old and come the release of the new one and all of toyotas hard work in trying to come out of the shaddows might be undone

Funny how Ford are copying Holden in a number of ways, in particular with the flaired guards. In regarding Holdens 4 speed auto, that is going very soon if you properly read all car news reports instead of only those with a car you like. Um and you think the VE will always run at a loss. The 1 billion spent on designing the VE will be covered by a years supply of Commodore’s being exported to the U.S.A not even including the other current and future export markets. The VE rules as sales figures have proven for over 10 years straight and you must think all those people and also the fleets would pick a vehicle if it was substandard. The Foulcan won’t change that. Remember AU(awfully ugly, BA (Bloody awful) and BF (Bloody F%$ked) Compared to VE (very, exciting, very enticing, very excellent ) or many others.

In reply to John.

Mate…Holden didn’t invent flared wheel arches!

If anything, they copied them off BMW in a try-hard attempt to make the Omega look like an M3!

I love the clever antonyms…how cute.

Yeah flared arches… and ummm the Falcon ones looks reasonable, the Holden ones are a disgrace.

Now for the rest…

QUOTE = In regarding Holdens 4 speed auto, that is going very soon if you properly read all car news reports instead of only those with a car you like

I have read around… havent heard anything. And if they do, it doesnt change anything… Holden have been screwing people over trying to earn every cent they can on a budget with a 4 speed tranny when they have a 5 speed, with a 180kw engine when they have a 195kw engine, when they have air conditioning but they make it an option, when they have stability control but dont make it standard, when they have 6 airbags but dont make it standard… list goes on. Why didnt they have all these in the first place? Because they were taking the Aussie public for a ride while the Japs give it from the start! Gotta ask yourself… whos side are they really on!?

QUOTE = The VE rules as sales figures have proven for over 10 years straight and you must think all those people and also the fleets would pick a vehicle if it was substandard

No fleets mean everything. The reason why their private sales are so low, even when considering people do wait for the fleet cars to buy as they are cheaper…. has alot to do with your prviate buyers actually having to put their hands down their OWN wallets and use money they worked hard to EARN. Given this, you look for the best car without caring if its image is ‘Australian’ or not. Thats why Toyota and Co get alot of private purchases while those private buyers who want Falcons etc wait till they are cheaper because given their lack of value for money it wouldnt be wise for them to buy new! And on fleets, they often give employees only two choices… Falcon or Commodore. That has a major effect as to why these two models have around 80% fleet sales. They often dont offer Toyotas etc because they want an ‘Aussie’ image…. yet for example the Aurion is by far better then the disgraceful Omega, which as a result isnt shown when it comes to sales (although combined Camry and Aurion sales are doing very well).

QUOTE = Whatever Ford will throw you can guarantee the Commodore will trump it and the auriyawn. Check mate.

Omega : 0-100km/h in 9seconds
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Aurion : 0-100km/h in 7.4seconds

‘Check Mate’… not to mention Ive owned V6 Camrys from last century that were quicker then this new Omega. POS.

At least the new Falcon will come with standard air-conditioning…unlike the Commodore Omega! What a bloody joke.

Il stick with the xr8 toyota are a quick perkly lil car very popular o.s.

Forget about it…

It’s seems they’re doomed if they do and they’re doomed if they don’t.

Before every release car enthusiasts say they want to see ‘revolutionary’, ‘cutting edge’, or’fresh’ design from the latest Comm or Falc and then if either company comes up with anything bar a A6/5series/E-class(usually the 5year old or mid cycle car from these brands) mash up they start screaming ‘ugly stick’.

BA looked like a six year old Audi and VE is derivative of BA. Australian designed cars are never going to be either ‘revolutionary’ or ‘cutting edge’ as Ford and Holden seem to believe (rightly or wrongly) that the Australian consumer wants vanilla and conservative with perhaps a few go fast bits tacked on for the sports models.

Anyone who looks at Falcons or Commodores and can’t see how comprehensively derivative they are of truly ground breaking design houses like those of BMW and Merc has their head in the sand and is probably the kind of person who wears the Australian flag to sporting events (even those where Australian’s aren’t competing).

so where is the new orion?
Their pics of the ba/bf

Aston, ford suck, troy JUST TO MENTION A FEW OF THE JELOUS PEOPLE WASTING THERE TIME LYING, YOU GUYS ARE EITHER BI-EST OR JELOUS THAT YOU SUPPORT THE OTHER CODE’S WHO CANT COMPETE IN LOOKS WITH THE FALCON, WORST CASE SCENARIO EVEN IF IT LOOKED LIKE BA, THE BA WAS A SEXY CAR ANYWAY

Where the hell do all the Holden rejects get off saying that the VE is an original model!? Sorry guys but looking at the VE it kinda looks a lot like a BA Falcon! I’m sure that Holden had the original design planted away in their “brains” somewhere…
Holden are a weak excuse of a car! They aren’t even Australian any more! At least Ford Australia are capable of making their own engines and don’t have to import them in from the USA like Holden do.
Even if the Orion is a failure (i doubt) then it doesn’t really matter because Ford have a 6 cyl car that can kick every single V8, V6, and 4cyl that Holden GM have ever created! So stick that right up your dodgey looking Holden SV6 Commodore Tailpipe…

Forget about it.

So far i love what i c the ve commodore looks like a space ship the front is 2 high and chunky the new falcon looks like it has a sleek design ITS HOT

Its hot forget about it.

ye your write it does look like the bf with difernt doors and a diferent bumper. does any one els thinks so as well.

IT alot different forget about it..

Gavin,
The DNA of the XA is distinctly Ford and the obvious evolution of the XY. Though there are notable and significant differences such as a proliferation of curves over more squarish panels on the XY the XA still maintained many cues from it’s predecesor such as the headlight arrangement and the hip line on the rear doors.

The first car in a new generation always carries many of the trademarks of the previous incarnation. The BF to orion looks set to carry on with this tradition.

It is to Ford’s detriment when they do not telegraph cues from one generation to the next eg the massive leap from EL to AU there was a jump from ED to EF.

This new Falcon looks pretty good so far. Here’s hoping they improve the build quality which is a major concern to consumers considering a private purchase and an area which has been notoriously poor on falcon’s past.

Geez there alot of one-eyed biased Holden Supporters here who just want to say, its ugly, its AU again. Usually this happens when they’re scared that it is a better car than their precious rebadged Opel’s.

Anyway from what i can see the Orion is looking very tough especially the FPV and XR’s. I really want to see drive train specs though. Safe to say ZF auto and inline 6 are staying but what is happening with the V8′s, will the Boss remain or is it a new engine, hopefully an Alloy block instead of cast iron to save weight I know ford have been testing that.

Ok for all those VE lovers, have a chat to AVIS car rentals, ask them how many problems they’ve had with VE’s, or NRMA and ask them how many calls they’ve had on them. The SS is the only good looking VE out there. The other models look out of proportion with 16″ steelies underneath those massive wheel arches, and the bum sticks up way too high.

And Ford aren’t copying Holden with the wheel arches, big wheel arches have been around for a long time. But if anyone is copying someone, its Holden copying the Ford Focus with those wheelarches.

y the hell are there holden fans on this site are use scared fords better then holden

yea i agrea with you BOB

^

Yeah thats abit of a trend with the non-LEDs looking like that. But still I find it disappointing, it doesnt have quite the same appeal and its comes down to one thing… cost cutting. But Im not gonna crucify the Falcon over that, particularly when you have the E with a 4 speed tranny going about as a ‘new car’ in the year 2007.

The main improvement I’d really like to see is a smaller steering wheel. The BF MKII Falcon is great in every feature apart from the massively huge steering wheel…
But even if they don’t do that, the Car is still gonna look hot as.

^

Are you for real? IMO the VE was a step back from the outgoing model in terms of styling, I honestly think the VE looks fugly, especially in base forms where its crappy features like a fat arse and large wheel arches are exentuated.

of course youd say that, youre an aurion nut

i think theres more bias than logic in your reasoning

Post of mine must have been deleted or didnt come up… there is logic in most of my stuff chopper, Aurion is a quality car. Im eagerly awaiting the Falcon as I think it will be a true contender, the current Falcon is decent but being older lacks in some areas, such as airbags and stability control. The new one will be updated and provide better value then the Commodore which relies solely on fleets who couldnt care less about the car as long as its ‘aussie’ buying their crap.

we wont know the offical figures until the release date of the new GT

the dj falcon produces 320 with a mild cam change

well i agrea with andrew about why making a ford turbo diesel. well what i say is if they bring out a turbo diesel they should drop the lpg. or they should make a lpj turbo that would be cool.

I agree with Paul on this, the VE Commodore has been released just under a year and has already outdated itself.
The newer Falcon Orion will be the outstanding competitor for the Aurion. Although Toyota has been named the world’s most reliable and most economical car brand. Ford is still going to put a large fight against them. And with the Falcon Orion they just might be able to out do them… Stranger things have happened.
As for Holden, the Orion is going to mop the floor with them. Sorry Holden rejects, but it’s true.

azza your a dickhead aurion sucks balls like u hsv maloo worlds fastest ute what u got nuthin

QUOTE = azza your a dickhead aurion sucks balls like u hsv maloo worlds fastest ute what u got nuthin

Hahaha worlds fastest because no-one in their right mind gives a flying f*ck about utes… they aernt performance cars, they would have to have one of the worst weight distributions going around… not to mention no weight where it matters – over the drive wheels. Good for shoving tools in the back though.

But they don’t have the fastest ute…
They don’t have the fastest or best looking anything. Sorry but the way I see it, Holden started going downhill from the VT model and on.

Forget about it xr8 is 290kw this time.

So if thats true that the XR8 and FPV V8 Series are going up to 290kw and 320kw would that mean that the F6 Typhoon and Tornado will go up to 300kw?
Or will they go higher due to APS’ arrival in scene and making the F6 Engine up to 309kw in the Phase 2 Typhoon and Phase 3 Tornado in 2006?

Paul you are right…. I do have a split personality, my medication has worn off so I get like this. I dont wanna ask for more though because see Im in jail and Im someones bitch, if I move Im going to get punished again… although I actually enjoy it.

Bloody hell, I realise it’s very camouflaged but YUCK! I was really hoping they’d pull out something attractive this time. I want to see massively flaring wheel arches, short fat bonnets and super high windowsills. Someone take a freakin cue from Commodore. I hope they prove me wrong on launch day.

have been looking on the internet and have found some interesting news. The 6.2 Ltr V8 is still under developement and can be made for strong displacement all the way up to 7.0 Ltrs. The power output for the 6.2Ltr is around 317kws and torque is 576Nm. The engine layout thatwe will see is a DOHC and 4 valves per cylinder. The engine block is deep skirt with cross bolted mains. The Bore diameter is 102mm centerline and a 95mm stroke. There will also be a 5.8Ltr/355in2 DOHC, 4 valves per cylinder V8 with the same bore size but a shorter (89mm) stroke. There are also rumors of a Twin Turbo variant going under developement with all V8 engines with direct fuel injection. If they come over here with in the next 3 to 5 years, expect them to have varible cam timing. Intake valve size is 2.10″ and 1.62″ exhaust. They will most likely be All Alloy!!! We asked for a real ford V8 and now it looks like we may just get what we asked for. Go the Blue oval. P.S, I think they have mistake the XR^ Turbo for thr F6 Typhoon and the new orion falcon looks the works, exspecially the GT.
Come on GT-HO

christine said holdens are dumb

I am concerned with the space saver tire possibility. I drive a taxi on night shift and while it may be perfectly safe to run that tyre from point of puncture to the tyre dealer for repair and refit I wouldn’t want to work a shift on one driving anything up to 500km.

Hopefully they remain an option and the full sized spare is still available while not revisiting the complete joke that was the AU with the spare in the middle of the boot effectively making the boot useless.

The new falcon looks like an el falcon and the ba/f series falcon put together. Looks extremely good. With more powerful engines across the range (From Ben Before about the new V8 engines) and the new front end suspension set-up which is better then the current falcon and commodore and a more refined Control Blade IRS which is the best rear end set-up in Australia, not if the world. Add T/C, ABS, ESP and all the other goods and every car the is made in Australia and some in the world instintly look second grade. Then you have better interior, better build quility, more room, more equipement, more power and torque, class leading engine and better fuel economy. The BF is alredy a great car which is only marginly worse then the new VE, and the Falcon (BF) is 5 years old, once the new falcon comes out, the VE Holden range and the Toyota Aurion range (also HSV and TRD) will once agin, be second best to the all AUSTRALIAN Falcon. Go FORD, FPV and Lowndsey with the win a Hidden Valley.

yes i can guaranty you the terittory will et an update

Yeah the falcon wagon will continue and will have leaf sprung rear suspension. Which is good, because it doesn’t get wierd retarded looking camber like on the holden wagons. Which is why coroners use falcon wagons to carry dead bodies. The wagon will be more biased to load carrying (eg the Coroner market) with a boot which will be bigger than the territory (with coroner usage in mind), rather than trying to be sporty which is not the aim of a coroner.

ugliest falcon yet. Ford has gotta do better than this or they will go bankrupt. this looks like another ugly AU falcon. Geezuz guys what has this Australian icon come to? Holden is gonna sh*t all over this one. Guaranteed.

how on earth can you tell ford is rubish you havent eaven seen it uncoverd yet and u dont know what fetures its got do how is it rubish

Gwiz,
in a way you are right, the holden will shit all of its dodgy parts over the falcon. I mean all of holdens parts are just falling to pieces at the moment and any thing near them will be shat on as they let go.

Daewoo………..ooooppss ……i mean Holden …….have already dropped the price of the VE. They wont make any money exporting the things as the exchange rate is so close. Anyway the Monaro was a failure over there ………….. Oh………the reason Holden are almost a complete Daewoo company is that they can only afford to put a badge on Daewoos as they wasted 1 billion dollars on bringing the Commodore almost up to date with the Falcon……and they still have a inferior driveline !!!!!

AH ,I wont take you up on your offer Boondy!

But I do agree with you on the V8 Supercars.

Plus when the BA first came out against the Red Army it won for 3 years running. Now the BF is having big problems with aerodynamics against the slipperier VE. However,with Craig winning the last race imagine how he will go with a NEW CAR!! Keep him away from Crash Bandicoot though. God I hate they CHEAT !

You guys sound like a bunch of kids coming up with some crazy invention. What if this, what if that. Don’t you guys understand the game? Holden would be stupid to crush ford within a couple of years. They need Ford as Ford needs Holden. They will make slow releases giving them a slight competitive edge over Ford. It’s about sales and profit margins. I am a Holden boy but even I hope that ford doesn’t completely die. Ps don’t kid yourselves, Ford wants these pics released so expect more.

OMG, thats the most disgusting thing ever. i suggest he ppl who think this piece of american crap is any kinda of good looking, i suggest u go buy the latest edition of MOTOR magazine the july 2007 edition, has a picture of the falcon without the bras. no way ford is gonna be anything compared to the VE, VE has clearly showed its compition in v8supercars, 14 out of the 17 races won. this is gonna be worse the then AU, its happening all over again just like the commodore VT era, holden smashed ford with their new VT while ford struggled with theyre piece of thing they called the AU, fords been playing catch up ever since…. they just dropped the ball. the new ford falcon looks like a toyota camry or something, a jaguar gone wrong, no1s gonna get used to that thing, i dont even wanna think wat the v8supercar will look like. GO THE BILLION DOLLAR BABY!

correction for above comment: the Ve sixes are not as good as the Ba/BF sixes!

pubes_msr16,

yes have proven you dont know s**t about cars or even V8 supercars. so here is a quick lesson…..

V8 Supercars…..
ford has won the last 4 championships (yes if you count the one they stole) All holden care about is winning V8 supercars. it is soo important them. they think if they win jokers like you will see it as them offering a good product. I know its true cause you just told us holden wins all the time (which is not true) in V8′s so they are good. both ford and holden both run the same set ups for parity reasons. THE HOLDENS RUN FORD SUSPENSION AND FORD BRAKES AND FORD DIFFS just to name a few. also aerodynamics has nothing to do with it either, they both have to achieve the same aero qualities in the body kits they run.

Cars……….
for 1 the Au was a heap better car than the VT/VX as for as vehicle properties are concearned. and if you want to count sales you can pull up the sales records on the AU falcon ute that will show the falcon ute shat on holden for sales. as for the BA/BF well you are really showcasing your lack of knowledge there. BF is 5 years old and it still beats holdens 1billion$ baby in 90% of areas. If you want me to list the areas just ask. and over that 5 years it has had nowhere near the recalls holden gets with in 6 months of their new one.

i would love you to reply to all the feedback you are getting on your comments too. i know you wont cause all the other ill informed holden fans always spit out stupid one liners like you and then go back into your hole.

YOU ARE THE REASON STEREOTYPES GO ROUND ABOUT HOLDEN FANS

I took my boat out fishing the other day, and was waiting to use the ramp. I had to wait while a 4WD towed a Toyota Aurion off the ramp because the front wheel drive could not get traction on the ramp !!!!! Only a 14 ft boat as well !!!!! i would hate to tow a caravan with an Aurion !!!!! Front wheel drive large car with weight on the back = NO FRONT WHEEL Control !!!! I bet the Aurion isnt as economical when as a Falcon when towing a boat or van as it has to be worked really hard to pull the weight…….

My daughters friend went to a Daewoo …….sorry……Hoden Dealer to inquire about a Kalos……..sorry……..Barina…….he told her it was a Holden !!!!!! Worse still he told her that it was made in Australia and was one of the safest small cars around !!!!!! Product knowledge……….NOT !!!!!!!!!!!

If you want more cubes……….stroke it !!!!!!GM are you good at that ???? HAHAHA

i think you’ll find a very large portion of the commodore is australian-exclusive, to the point where holden has been delegated future rear drive architecture for the GM corp. And the appearnce of the car is subjective. This is just mindless rambling from both ford and holden fans, their both fine choices in my opinion, whatever floats your boat.

when will all of the car manafacturers start to use the alternative fuel methods & tecnologies available to them instead of living from the vanity of the average person “keeping up with the jones,s

So I see certain people have a low regard for diesel. It appears that it is less polluting than petrol, it’s the same price as petrol, it gives better consumption figures than petrol, it’s cheaper to make than petrol, it gives figures of torque for 2 litre engines that holden claims for its current V6 and based on our work fleet, which use 4X4 diesels its running costs are less. So why would you put a 3 litre turbo diesel in a car like the new Orion which has one of the worlds best 6 speed automatics. I mean with the current turbo Falcon and Territory you have already got the plumbing in place and of course why would you offer a car that could be sold in Europe where diesels are now more popular than petrol. And for all the petrol heads out there next time you watch Le Man have a look at whats winning and blow your minds out with the power and especially torque figures Audi is getting. You know this is the 21st century and the next engine package is going to be the hybrid diesel/electric.

I thought this was a discussion about the new Ford Falcon not a Holden V Ford sh*t slanging match

The thing that cracks me up about the Holden fanatics out there, is that they all love “Holden’s Invention” the wheel arches. I was under the impression that the Ford Focus had them well before the Commodore?
I personally don’t like them.
Oh and for which ever person it was that said about Holden bringing out a GTS with 385kw or whatever it was (exaggeration). If they did bring that car out, Ford will still have it beaten. They’ll just take a leaf out of Holden’s book and import an engine or a whole car for that matter out of the USA. Thats right, Ford USA have just recently released the Ford Shelby Mustang GT500. 375kw of raw power, powered by a Supercharger. GM will be set back for a couple of years with the GT500 and the F6 Typhoon. And if I’m correct that now puts Ford with the Fastest running 6cyl and 8cyl engines on the planet.

QUOTE = Oh and for which ever person it was that said about Holden bringing out a GTS with 385kw or whatever it was (exaggeration). If they did bring that car out, Ford will still have it beaten. They’ll just take a leaf out of Holden’s book and import an engine or a whole car for that matter out of the USA. Thats right, Ford USA have just recently released the Ford Shelby Mustang GT500. 375kw of raw power, powered by a Supercharger. GM will be set back for a couple of years with the GT500 and the F6 Typhoon. And if I’m correct that now puts Ford with the Fastest running 6cyl and 8cyl engines on the planet.

How about we just concede they both make shitty V8s. Lexus… 300kw out of a 5L V8.

Muz,
you are right on alternate fuels. i think the first manufacturer to produce a vehicle on something other than unleaded, will leave the other manufacturers back peddling. and i dont mean hybrids, i mean something with some actual power.

hopefully it will be ford leading the way with its new gas line up. they are renaming it (G6E) which suggests they have put some time into it and are going to market it aswell.
hopefully they produce a turbo gas motor. it would be a good investment for them. it would more than likely produce more power than the current turbo motor too.

ford need to do something like that to make people really stand up and notice

Paul stop talking about toyotas, my step dad has two lexus’s a LX470 and an ES300, and might i tell you the 4.7L V8 was gutless and don’t even get me started on the ES 3L!!! the 470 had to have a whole new exhaust system put on because the old one was so shit there was almost no gas coming out then in one big blow it looked like the injecters were fucked. the Exhaust manifold was so shit, looked like nice 2 3\4 inch pipe but on the inside was no more than 1 inch.

And i laugh because the new toyota landcruiser cost $40,000 cheaper and only came ut 2 years later, lexus just brings out the toyota models earlier and charges $40,000 extra with a few more bits of fruit on it.

The ES300 was $80,000, it has got a better sound system and electric seats which is about it other wise it is a rebadged camry which is worth about 40 grand, so leexus can suck my nob, i’d buy a falcon anyday over a lexus!

QUOTE = Ford have had projector headlamps since 1993! Just look at the XR6 or XR8 in the ED, EF, EL, AU 1-3 series! Last time I checked, they have projector head lamps… And who really cares about LED Tail lights! Whoa! Don’t wanna miss out on them!
And another thing, Toyota have ever only made one good model car, and that would be the Supra.

Do you even know what projectors are? Obviously not, no Ford has had them to my knowledge, certainly not since 1993 LOL!

As for LEDs, well I think the higher spec Falcons will have them, it would be wise on Fords part… but you cant say who cares, your forking out good money for these vehciles not for them to do some cost cutting on you. Also its fact tha LEDs improve the reaction time of people behind you, so its also good for safety.

And lastly your seeing ‘good’ in terms of performance, Id say the Camrys since the 80s (which features DOHCs… took Ford I think around 8 years later to get OHCs going and Holden till the turn of this century!) and have been known to last trouble free in excess of 300,000kms are a good car. Same with Corollas.

Anyway I dont mean to convert this into a Toyota v Ford discussion!

Can’t wait till March. Spoke to my Ford dealer and he told me that’s when the new one is being released.

Going to order my new XR8 or FPV (haven’t decided yet) as soon as it comes out.

Paul,
i join the list of people that dont get hung up on LED’s. as im sure i said earlier for my money the great reflector design tail lights already in the falcon and territory have just as good a clarity as led’s, and with out looking closely you would say that they are.

and guys could someone enlighten me on what projector headlights are cause now im getting a bit thrown off

Ford can i have a boss v8 territory for christmas.

nissan water pumps are a fucking menace to society and all rb 30′s can go to hell

have you fords lovers forgotten that commodore has been no1 selling car for last 10 years and will again this year. it is ford playing catch up with holden and wont catch up with this car

QUOTE = What! My parents own a ‘94 XR6 ED. Don’t try to tell people that they don’t have projectors! They do! Ford have been making them since the XR series came into effect. So that clearly says that you are the one that doesn’t know what projectors are.

No I know what projectors are, Im quite suprised to discover that yes Falcons back then actually had them (albeit along with a dog ugly headlight design).

QUOTE = Lexus are just the same as Audi, BMW and Mercedes. If you own one, it’s just another way to say: “Hey look at me! I’m rich!” They have no power compared to Ford or Holden. Oh and maybe you should check out this site http://www.fordvehicles.com/mustang click on models then click on the Shelby GT500 model and it will say it has 500hp (373kw) of power with a supercharger and intercooled.
That is what real power is all about. Not any crappy front wheel drive Toyota.

Firstly please have a look what you just read, the likes of BMW, Mercedes and Audi have nothing on Ford and Holden? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease you have to be kidding. As for your example, the Lexus V8 produces 300kw and 450Nm from a NATURALLY ASPIRATED 5L V8 (so no supercharger like your example and 400Ml less dissplacement).

QUOTE = i join the list of people that dont get hung up on LED’s. as im sure i said earlier for my money the great reflector design tail lights already in the falcon and territory have just as good a clarity as led’s, and with out looking closely you would say that they are.

Each unto their own… all I know is that if I had the option of paying $35k for a car with LEDs or $35k with a car without them… Id choose the car with LEDs. Imo its these finer details that the base model at least Falcon and even Holden lose out on.

QUOTE = and guys could someone enlighten me on what projector headlights are cause now im getting a bit thrown off

Its hard to describe really… just look at a pic of the Aurion for eg and you see a round object in the headlight assembly, its a projector, focuses the light abit better.

hey ford crap you do know the ve commodore is the biggest fuck up in general motors history

it is mostly made from korean parts so you can call it a daewoo

sorry the koreans allready call it a daewoo

Ok then Paul. An FPV Boss V8 Produces 290kw power and 530Nm Torque. There is no Supercharger and no Turbocharger in sight. The same goes for HSV’s LS series engines, as much as I’m gonna hate myself for this; 309kw power and 550Nm Torque. And once again no Supercharger or Turbocharger. I understand that Superchargers give more power to a car, but i can not imagine that it would give anymore then say 80kw of power to an engine. The engine would have to be immensely powerful already to have a surge of 373kw.

And the really funny thing about HSV’s “ever-so-powerful engine” is that it is only just slightly more powerful than Fords 4-5 y/o Aussie built engine, which is also 0.6L smaller.
Holden might be the number 1 seller in the country, but I could almost guarantee everyone that they aren’t going to well overseas.
Speaking of overseas, I heard that Ford Australia was going international next year. And they were releasing the BF model Falcon in the USA. Just a rumor though.

Ford America is buliding a new family of petrol fueled twin-turbo engines with four-cylinder, V6 and V8 powerplants. Known as “twin-force”, the technology will debut in the upcoming Lincoln MKS flagship sedan due in 2008 and will eventually filter across most of Ford’s lineup.Who knows if the new falcon will get the these new motors.In addition to the turbos, Ford will also be adding direct injection tech, which will increase output and improve fuel-economy further.Ford will also be introducing V8 engines with cylinder deactivation, similar to GM’s displacement.To read the whole story go to http://www.motorauthority.com/cars/ford/ford-adding-twin-turbos-to-v6-and-v8-petrol-engines/

paul the VE is assembled here, but more than half of it is bult overseas.

even the glass comes from china!!!

It’s not anymore actually.
The Falcon since the the BF range has been importing its seats from the USA… There is probably more, but i don’t think anyone cares, considering the engine of the Falcon is made and assembled here in Australia. It is probably the same story with the Aurion as well. So much for what I can about the Commodore though… LS engine… pfft!

Andrew M its unfair to accuse Holden of that. All of them do it some just do it better. Post WW2 the vast majority of manufacturers have done the same thing. It’s simply good marketing and a by-product of consumerism. At least Holden have mastered the art of creating an organic flow between models. This is one reason they are destroying ford in terms of sales and popularity.

ford have all the paper filled out to use the ford us gt engine. that produces 410kw. if hsv would use the corvette engine fpv would use the amercian gt engine blow hsv out of the water, but i would like to see that because ford australia would go for the fastest four door car title AGAIN. i would love to see that on top gear

This is funny….

My older brother (the sad sap) is an avid Holden Fag… I mean man, we were having the ‘great engine debate’ the other day, and He tried telling me that the new V6 is Australian made….. what a fool.

It seem that Holden fans believe that if their company changes the literage from 3.8 to 3.6 and changes the name from ‘EcoTec’ to ‘AlloyTec’, that constitutes a completely new engine…. what a sorry but of people these are…. I mean how far can one bury their head in the sand?

Holden can’t design and can’t build, although they can sell, which further displays how sad this country is.

If I was stupid enough to be waving the red flag, I’d be very very concerned about the next 100% AUSTRALIAN Falcon.

Martin, what are you saying it is unfair to accuse holden of in relation to all manufacturers doing aswell? sorry didnt get that bit.
was there something wrong with saying holden doesnt make a V8 or the part where i said they had a high turnover of models in comparison??????

Bob,
out of interest what size is the V8 you are talking about is it the supercharged one?

Paul, i dont think V8 days are coming to an end. sales are actually up there. but what i would love to see is ford refine and boost, well if they have to supercharge their own boss motor that would be better than jumping in the same boat as holden and import a motor. they should build some recognition with their own aussie V8 and people will start to notice and become loyal to it (thats if they do a good job of it)

mikey and paul,
yes holden can sell you cant deny that, they could sell ice to eskimos

^

Well maybe you should look further into Ford’s Barra engine. It is made here in Australia, as is the Boss 260 and 290 and the F6 Turbo engine as well. All engines that have something to do with the Fairlane, Fairmont and the Falcon are made here in Aust.
Ford USA is yet to play a part with the creations of Ford Australia.
So much for what can be said for Holden though.

I get the vibe that you people think that the Ford V8 is locally made, I am unaware whther that is true, and could not care less. The bottom line is, the Ford V8 is smaller (in displacement), can produce more power (kw and torque, more economical, and is also a hell of a lot moderner and advanced. Holden use an ancient OHV/Pushrod POS! FOrd use a tipically advanced and smaller QUAD CAM well engineered engine, with a much better transmission and will have an even better chassis, gearbox, and more power on the ORION you fools!

Just to answer for Damo, the Ford V8′s are very much made here in Australia.
Just thought I’d clarify that!

andrew
yes it is supercharged. its just the ford aust engine with a huge supercharger on it.

No unique to Australia. Parts sourced from around the world. USA doen’t make much anymore.

The Rods come from Germany I think.

Here is something to read.

Ford buffs know that this name was first used on a special engine fitted to the 1969 Mustang – the Boss 302. This revered engine shares many uncanny similarities with its modern-day heir. The Boss 290 delivers 290 kilowatts at 5,500 rpm, the same iconic power figure in kilowatts the original Boss 302 had in horsepower along with the first XW Falcon GT 351 on its 1969 release. But the 520 Newton metre torque figure launches the Boss 290 into a class all its own.

To fit the Boss 290 without compromising ground clearance or stifling airflow, a special power bulge bonnet was factory-designed and tooled, creating an unmistakable level of authority on the street.

The Boss 290 Block

The block is cast-iron which makes it exceptionally rigid. It is three times stronger than aluminium for extra durability and refinement under high horsepower and torque loads. Cast-iron is more stable over a wider range of temperatures and there is less movement at critical sealing points for superior resistance to oil and coolant leaks. Ultimately, it’s what is used for V8 Supercar engines.

The engine has an under-square bore and stroke ratio that delivers the flexibility, fast response and strong pulling power from low engine speeds expected from a high-performance V8. A forged steel crankshaft maintains strength and refinement under high power and torque loads. Each crankshaft undergoes a special balancing process at Ford Performance Vehicles prior to assembly to match the special Boss 290 piston and conrod combination for exceptional refinement and reduced stress on components at all engine speeds.

Locally-sourced high-performance tri-metal main and big-end bearings are specified for extra durability under higher engine speeds and peak power and torque loads. Each main bearing cap is precisely located by two cross-bolts, two vertical bolts and two vertical locating dowels for superior location over six bolts. That means superior durability and refinement under high performance loads.

Each conrod is re-engineered to match the stronger pistons and floating gudgeons. The conrod big-ends are separated by a controlled cracking process before main bearing insertion. When reconnected, this creates a multi-ridged join unique to each conrod that is exceptionally strong and virtually invisible.

Locally-supplied high-performance pistons with domed tops lift the compression ratio to 10.5:1 on 96 RON PULP for improved engine response, efficiency and fuel economy under light throttle loads.

The Boss 290 Heads

Twin overhead camshafts per bank with four valves per cylinder to produce a deep-breathing, high-performance engine for exciting and consistent power and torque delivery right up to the red line. The heads are cast in aluminium alloy to minimise weight and to reach the optimum operating temperature faster. They feature an improved Cobra R design with a straighter, better-breathing inlet port.

The camshafts are hollow for reduced weight, less inertia – and faster response. Sealed, high-quality timing chains are lubricated by the engine’s oil supply for long life. This means a major reduction in maintenance costs compared to timing belt replacement and eliminates the potential of engine damage through a missed belt change. For critical engine joins, special high-tensile bolts are stretched under torque for maximum strength and extra resistance to loosening.

The Boss 290 Intake

The inlet manifold is manufactured in Australia with tuned length trumpets to match the straighter inlet port of the latest head design for strong torque at lower engine speeds, accessible power at everyday speeds and deep breathing at high engine speeds.

A 75 mm throttle body with drive-by-wire linkage eliminates the noise and vibration path that a mechanical linkage generates as it enters the cabin. The Boss cast-alloy plenum cover is made in Australia to meet the engine’s specific deep breathing requirements without compromise. The Boss bonnet pressing was tooled to accommodate this design. The Boss shares the dual ram air-intake system.

The Boss 290 Build Process

The Boss 290 engine is meticulously assembled by hand at Ford Performance Vehicles on the only V8 production line in Australia, a $1.5 million investment that has already paid dividends.

By building our own engines, rather than importing a fully-assembled engine developed overseas, Ford Performance Vehicles retains ultimate control over the development of engines to answer the unique needs of Australian performance car enthusiasts.

To deliver the solid muscle at low engine speeds that Aussies expect in a high-performance V8 while maintaining the free-revving, deep-breathing feel of a thoroughbred sports engine, Ford Performance Vehicles has developed a unique engine that has no equivalent in all the Ford world.

On this high-tech carousel, manned by technicians who previously honed their skills hand-building the previous Windsor V8s, each Boss 290 engine is carefully assembled from bare blocks and heads.

A pristine environment, our assembly line has more in common with a surgery than a factory. Indeed, to see our technicians huddled over an engine is truly reminiscent of an operating theatre. The latest computer-controlled dual-nut runners are used for the critical fastening and torquing of the heads, conrods and main-bearing caps. Far more sensitive than manual tightening, they are programmed to react instantly to faults in materials and parts, sending an instant alert to their operator.

As a result, the line has enabled Ford performance Vehicles to adopt the latest world-class practices for our industry; not only in quality control but occupational health and safety too.

The end result is that the Boss 290 is one of the most powerful yet cost-effective V8 engines built anywhere in the world.

Bob,
if you say the 410kw is the ford aust engine then why do you say its from the US GT? they dont export the Aust V8 yet.

to every one… the ford V8 IS MADE IN AUSTRALIA and it is the only V8 that is. just because it has the same displacement as a V8 they have in the US doesnt mean it is the same.
they designed the V8 here.
the reason it is an odd size is because the boss motor is made of like a 351 block and a 302 head to make it lighter.
i suppose thats the short of what missile was trying to put forward aswell

check this out.The Barra engines are a family of I6 and V8s assembled by Ford Australia since 2002. The V8s are built in the USA by the Ford Motor Company and are shipped un-assembled to Australia, for assembly at the FPV Factory

more info here
http://www.answers.com/topic/ford-barra-engine

I think the local manufacturers should start implementing the use of cylinder shutdown systems, I think I once read something about Holden “CONSIDERING” the use of it, but that usually means maybe in the next decade! LOL, but I think it would be seriously good to see Mitsu or Toyota, or even Ford to offer it on the V6′s, that would definetly drive a few sales IMO.

I got in contact with a friend of mine yesterday who drive a VW Passat turbo diesel. It’s his company car. City Highway driving he is averaging 5.1 litres per 100km. I had a drive in it and it really goes, especially when you over take. I read recently that Ford will not, I stress, will not be added diesels to the new Orion. A pity, I thought it might have helped in its competion within the Australian and European market. I have just read the latest peice on the new Mondeo and guess what, the turbu diesel is a much better car that the turbo 5 cylinder petrol with 165kw.

Yep the USA do send SOME components to Australia, some components are ex Australia ,Germany ,ect.The Cams are from CROW CAMS here in Australia ,as the manifold.

thats the biggest load of crap i have herd all day who told u that.

now seriously,

Paul i still dont think V8′s will die off and certainly not soon. people who buy V8′s dont buy them with fuel savings in mind. they buy them for the unmistakable sound and power. people buy V8′s cause they are a V8.

Missile,
did you make a typo when you said the cobra will be 220kw? i think so. i heard it to be 320kw

Tony M or someone…
could you please explain the diesel thing to me. i dont get it. yeah better fuel economy and thats about it. isnt that stuff worse on the environment too? so why would they invest money in developing something that runs on a fuel that will eventually become obsolete.
For my money its gas (LPG) all the way at the moment. these systems at the moment give little if any power difference, will halve your fuel bill and is a shite load better for the environment. and above all LPG has more potential than even unleaded.

Dave,
I dont think that the statement you pulled up on the boss motor is very correct. the motor does not come to Aust as the article suggests (in the form of a “kit” like a model, to say). sure they may source a couple of parts from US but a lot of parts do come from right here. also i believed it was designed here too, correct me if I am wrong though.

holden is so much better that cobra engine it will never reach 320kw u dumbshits ass rapping mother fuckers
hsv worlds fastest ute hahahahah see holdens new engine 385kw hahahah u suck balls

What A load of Junk a pig with lip stick

holden rules,
so what are you saying ford are better at making cars than competing in V8 supercars? (when compared to holden)

Paul, well for starters it hasnt detered people yet as i told you before that sales were actually up. and i guess we will have to let time show where they are at in say 5yrs. bring on an LPG V8. that would be interesting. (gee i must be starting to sound like an LPG ambassador now he he)

Andrew M, the problem with our fuel, both petrol and diesel is the level of sulphur in it. In Europe that level has been reduced dramatically, unfortunately not yet in Australia (our governments are too busy collecting taxes to notice the rubbish going into the air). But I do believe that diesel is cleaner than petrol.
The trouble with the gas argument is that the car uses more gas than either petrol of diesel so on the bases of fuel efficience, it’s not that economical. But I believe, if we were to use a high compression motor like a diesel it is more efficient. Note what I said before, governments collect taxes on the bases consumption; the more you use the more they collect.

and paul fwds dont have a “diff” they have a transaxle and cv’s

Martin and other die hard Holden “supporters”.
Get real, do you really think Holden is so strong that it can’t take a dive in the sales race. When the Commodore was first introduced in the late 70′s the motor journos were say how it was the car of the future, it was the bees-knees in design etc etc. Trouble was it had an engine that drank petrol and people liked big cars. Ford brings out the XD Falcon, it’s a big car and it used less petrol. End result was Holden lost its place at the top of the tree.
Who buys big cars, try leasing firm. Where do you buy big cars cheap, try the auctions where a Falson or Commodore of 2 years with 40,000km sells for $20-25,000. Nearly a 30 to 40% drop in value (go to Fowles) if you doubt. Who buys fuel efficient cars, Mr and Mrs average, not petrol heads who seem to Kilowatts is a measure of their prowes. And just in case you think I’m wrong, you will note that Corollas, Mazdas, Astras, Focus etc are selling for 5% to 10% under their new car value.
It’s time to stop smoking the tea leaves and wake up to yourself. Both Holden and Ford are on a knife edge (read on what is happening in America regarding GM and Ford and the Billions of dollars they are losing) and the cars they build and design need to meet a very small market base.
As for the “drop kick” who tries to compare Holden and Fords in the V8 supercar series, hey mate, this is a Silhouette class of racing, the only difference the Falcon and the Commodore have is body and motor everything else is generally the same. Get real.

Martin,
im still not getting it…… how were you talking about turnover. this is your QUOTE………………from Andrew M
“sales doesnt mean they are a good car. one main reason holden sells more numbers is because they have a high turnover of models,”

Quote…….. responce from Martin
Martin said
July 3 2007 @ 8:46 am

“Andrew M its unfair to accuse Holden of that. All of them do it some just do it better. Post WW2 the vast majority of manufacturers have done the same thing. It’s simply good marketing and a by-product of consumerism. At least Holden have mastered the art of creating an organic flow between models. This is one reason they are destroying ford in terms of sales and popularity.”

and now in responce to your latest comments….
what are you saying the falcon isnt competitive? lets not forget that when ford released the Ba falcon for a while ford were beating holden in a lot of monthly sales reports it the gong at the end of the year that people remember though i suppose. anyway that aside sales IS NOT A DIRECT REPRESENTATION OF A GOOD /COMPETITIVE CAR. the current falcon has it over the commodore in 90% of areas right now. yes im talking about the 5year old falcon! and dont forget the falcon was still winning the awards 4yrs after its release….not a competitive car??? go figure.

and what exactlly have holden done over the years for aussie engineering????? anyone??????
well they have imported all their motors over the last few years so rule that one out.. and the chassis too so there goes that idea. and the mcpherson strut suspension… yeah thats great engineering there (not)

can any one get the link that daniel posted to work?

Andrew M

When I said turnover I mean between models. I know that’s not the correct use of the term but you used it in that context when you said “because they have a high turnover of models, meaning Holden makes you feel inferior sooner cause your car is out of date so quickly”.

Engineering achievements include the co-development of the Monaro and the creation of GM’s RWD platform. It’s a good thing for Ausie engineers and designers to get global recognition. Ford Australia doesn’t get any more international than NZ and Tasmania ;o)

And I know it wasn’t directed at me but I thought I’d just add for the record that I don’t regard the V8 supercars as representative of the commodore/falcon quality or engineering standards. It’s just a bit of fun.

what have they done to further australian automotive nothing. they use everything from other people creating a platform and a 2 cars thats nothing. they have made no car parts to further the industry. fords front suspension in the territory has was a benefit to the industry

Nuff’n screams bogan more than me in my Black V8 crank’n slayer. And the best bogan V8′s are Fords. You’ll find more angry, bearded mulleted dudes in Fords anyday. I don’t think an Aurion pulls off the bogan look to well for me. I’ll keep me Ford. Cheers and Beers. Hahaha

me names bruice

I was really hoping that the new Falcon would borrow its styling heavily off the Mustang. But this does not appear to be the case from what we can see.
Does anyone else like the retro look?
They could have also done a retro XY or XA looking car.

It’s not how much grunt a cars got but how it uses it. So when I read articles about kilowatts and engine capacity all it tells me is guy (a) says he’s is bigger than guys (b) etc. If you don’t understand then look at the latest supercharged Lotus, 200kw with about 600 kilograms of weight doing 4 seconds to 100 kph.
What does this have to do with the new Orion, simple, if Ford can take off around 100 to 150 kilos of weight from the new Orion then it will be like having an extra 50 kw of power. This means greater acceleration, better fuel economy and of course more desirability as a lease car.
Oh yer, for all the people who have been bagging the overhang of the new Orion, do you remember the VL Commodore, great car on the race track. You see that overhang becomes part of the aero package.

VE?… Wheels car of the year that got given to them last year. So stop milking that! No one cares!
The BA Falcon won 3 large car awards in a row including wheels car of the year, but you didn’t see Ford bragging about it every second of every day! Holden are a bunch of know-nothing morons.
They cannot produce their own model, they have to steal it off of other car models. And somehow they still made it look terrible!
Ford are the supreme against Holden. Nothing will change. Understand you biased sack of crap?

holdenrules you fucking cheater just like hsv toll team

The XR6 Turbo also won the “Best Sports Car Under $57000″ category.

Mr Holden (retard)…
Holden have never had it better over Ford… unless you include Fleet sales.
But that means nothing in performance and looks.
The only reason Holden haven’t collapsed is because all the stooges like you out there are too loyal to betray a car company that is “truly made in Australia”.
You are a fool, and the same goes for anyone else out there that thinks Holden really outdoes Ford.

okay guys i just want to lay down some simple rules…

until now Holden haven’t changed there look for about 20 years or so… and the new VE isnt anything special at that…

people who think that the BA/BF was ugly…. you must be jealous or something cause your ugly scum holden looks shit next to the falcon…

the xr series looks so fucken tough with the bonnet bulge on the 8′s and it seems holden realised that so they brought out the “sornkels” on their monaro…

hahaha looks like they went lookin at and XA to get that idea.. fucken wanks…

Underneath ford rapes holden to the grave..

we put double wish bone suspension on our rides so fucken holden do…

back in the day with the 5ltr they copied our blueprint…

they run bmw trannies…

chev engines…

in the v8 series they use our diffs…

it seems as time goes on they are becomin’ less of a commodore the only thing orginal is the badge and they can have that shit…

the ve just looks like some fucken excuse of a TONKA truck…

and not long ago they shut down their biggest production line in melbourne and 1000′s of jobs were lost casue they bulit another factory in mexico to save some coin…

“HOLDEN MEANS A GREAT DEAL TO AUSTRALIA” BAHAHAHAHAH don’t make me laugh

azza is a dickhead whos the one that exports way more more cars than ford. 50% of of holdens that r made goes over seas and what is the car that heaps of manufactures have.for example vauxhal they have the neally all our cars they have they even have the new hsv clubsport, vxr.A another manafacture pontiac they know have the new ss,and they also had the monaro.chevolet has the monaro to,opel has the captiva,all the astra range and buick is getting the new ss as well and another brand which i forgot has the rodeo so what australian fords do u see overseas.
also all the holdens in the magazines eg wheels,motor they have a way better star rating than the shity fords i wavent seen a ford that has better yet

ps bob is gay

holden rules,
i see why you like holdens… because you dont know anything about them. THE ONLY AUSSIE MADE HOLDEN IS THE COMMODORE RANGE.(some people will beg to differ but we gotta give em something)
the rodeo comes from isuzu (yes import) and the “all new captiva range” is also an import
WOW!!! holden exports one platform
as for fords exports you might want to count the territory which other countries are shouting for and the new falcon range which is heading over aswell.

one thing is when ford imports/exports they dont try to hide/rebadge what they are bringing in or sending out.
when the falcon gets exported it will still be known world wide as a ford falcon. and when a focus or explorer for eg comes here, it is still a ford focus and ford explorer respectively.

when holden imports for eg they get a daewoo (that closed up in OZ because people realised they were crap) and sell it as a holden.

i didnt know that chev gets the monaro i thought they were badged pontiac instead (but i may be wrong)
but any way it must be cheap for them to send their cars over there cause they would just leave out the parts that come from overseas anyway (50%). especially those weighty V8′s

and i agree with paul, i dont know where you get your 50% are exported figures……please tell

holdenrules is comparing the ve which is a new platform to the old ba/bf platform hes going to get a shock when the new falcon comes out.

When the AU came out it was described as one of the worlds best large car platforms. As yet the new VE platform has not been given any rating. You will note that the Falcon range has for over 10 years had fold down back seats. The reason the new Commodore does not have fold down back seats is because to do so would reduce the strength of their platform; Ford doesn’t have that problem. Platforms/chassis designs usually last atleast 20 to 30 years so the current Ford platform could last atleast another 10 to 15 years.
As I understand the changes to the Ford platform is to accomodate left and right hand drive.
I have just seen the Car section of the Herald Sun which has design pictures of the new Ford Orion. Looks pretty stunning and I believe will give the new Commodore a run for its money.
But like I have said before the small car segment is starting to grow and the big car segment is getting smaller. Ford has already reduces its production run (I believe they might start building the Ford Focus in Australia) but Holden has not. What am I saying, if the market changes to small cars Ford has already addressed its production run but Holden has not.
I do believe the new Commodore could have a similar fate to the Mitsubishi 380, good car but only bought by Mr and Mrs average not lease companies. I understand that Holden has had a 2% drop in sales since the new VE was released.

pretty sure holden should of realsed the whole range on new shit its been a year and there was no wagon, and no ute…. wtf is that

don’t think if it was a billion dollar baby they would of brought everything out at once instead of just the sedan fleet?

this car is going to dominate the car market if it has other engines like a disel or some over form of fuel efficiencey. even if they dont it still will be the best car made in australia it will do what the ba did to the vy but better

people think that disels are better at the moment because of all the european cars with it and audi winning la mans twice with a disel

quote=ford is gay fullstop ve wheels care of the year what u got nuthin

Boy I tell you we have had a lot more wheels COTY in recent years than holden has had. if all of you holden fans really want to defend holden then bring the real facts not personal attacks and not pointless exersises in typing that say thing like “ford are gay”……get a life retards
. NOW every ford fan here has to agree with me…….I want to see pics of the new falcon with the v8 supercar body kit on it

ford is quality and holden is crap

I’m starting to think I should check this site more often! Thats the funniest yet stupidest slur of crap I have yet endured from anyone on here!
holdenrules, what kind of dip shit are you?
Chevrolet don’t have the Monaro! They don’t need it!
And what Australian made Fords have I seen overseas?
Well how about the successful named Falcon that got exported from here in Australia to the UK and the USA in the 1960′s?
The Falcon was a huge success! But Ford in the other parts of the world went with their own designs instead of Australia’s. Ie. The Mondeo, Sierra and the Mustang. All these (par the Mondeo) were around the same time as the Falcon, but they’d just rather their own design.
Which is why I believe that the Falcon and Territory will work overseas. Being that we are going to be receiving shipments of Mondeos and Mustangs in the near Future.
Oh yeah, how stupid are you again?
You’re comparing overseas sales between two companies, one that owns other overseas companies (Ford) and one that is owned by overseas companies (Holden)…
Just give up, you are an embarrassment to yourself, General Motors and this internet site.

Oh crap, I spaced it all out when I typed it.

Sorry if its hard to read now but its basicaly.The figures in order are.

Claimed,fly wheel test,rear wheel KWs.

The second section is % difference and KWs difference.

I can tell you the new falcon is a lot BF II with the territory steering rack. The sixes get a 5 sp auto plus better economy. The XR8 gets the 290kw engine and the GT gets around 320kw.

why V6? why V6? why V6? they dont need it

Ford Australia are considering replacing their current in-line six-cylinder with an imported V6 mainly to ensure compliance with the Euro IV emissions laws being introduced on the 1st July 2010.

More Bloody emissions levels, I mean its getting out of control all this tree hugging. Ford in the US are going to be making their seats out of SOY!!!!! Yep because most cars in the world have about 15 kilos of petrolium based foam in it.

Quote “Soy is a very green, renewable resource,” says Debbie Mielewsk, technical leader for Ford’s Materials Research & Advanced Engineering Department. “Using soy-based foam gives us the opportunity to conserve natural resources and reduce our environmental footprint.”

Most automotive manufacturers today use 100 percent petroleum-based polyol foam. Each vehicle produced today contains an average of 30 pounds of petroleum-based foam. The total annual worldwide market for the foam is 9 billion pounds. Milewski says auto manufacturers research and development of renewable, more environmentally friendly materials to produce the foam, could have a significant environmental impact.

Ok when can I get one of those Cadbury cars that I can eat when I am hungry ????

Hahaha,Holden Rules don’t get to excited on the stats,there’s a lot of variables involved that can change those results.Owners of other Fords have got more when they have put their cars on the Dyno ,I cant tell you private results from Holden owners as there normally too busy polishing that 307 KW badge on the back of their car ,or is that 299 or 302 KWs.Lol

Either way if they were right it just shows Holden are bigger liars.

Its similar I guess to the 1/4 mile times that are indicated in the Wheels & Motors on the cars, there not right either. Who gets a 14.3 out of a stock FPV GT ? Wheels !!!!!!!! Funny how Motor get 13.9 and owners that have had them for a while get more again.

ive heard of gt’s doing 315kw on a dyno seems like a lot more power then a 290kw fords says.

Garth Tander is a cheat,just like his tool mate Crash Bandicoot. The whole OF HRT and the Tool Team should have been disqualified last year for blocking Craig and then pushing him off the track. Holden should hang their head in shame. They didn’t deserve to win the championship on cheating,but I guess thats the only way you guys can win.

Tony M,
give me LPG over diesel especially in a falcon.
gee i hope you are not a maths teacher cause i dont see how you figure LPG costs more in the long run.
yes you are right LPG does use a few more Litres per 100k’s (thats why they give you a bigger fuel tank too) but dont forget its a bit under half the price. so therefore LPG motors could consume double the amount of a petrol motor and you would break even on fuel costs and saving the environment would still be a bonus. when you go through the maths properly, LPG in comparison will save you half on your fuel bill.

as for reliability i can assure you the conversion is nowhere as good as a dedicated gas model, especially if it was an older conversion. you see a lot of old conversions are pretty rough to say the least. i have seen them pretty much bust a hole in the inlet manifold, stick a hose in and silicone it up. plus you have the task of tuning the car to 2 different fuel qualities.

and to further the ask for gas is the fact the new falcon will be injected gas so therefore better economy and power.
ford needs to turbo a gas falcon to get people excited about it. a lot of people are scared of gas i think. and i admit i was too until i purchaced a dedicated gas falcon ute. i use mine for towing aswell and it tows/picksup than my mate who uses a 2007 turbo diesel hilux 4×4.

yes i suppose there is a bit more servicing with it like they pressure test the tank every 10 years,the fill limiting valve needs to be checked as part of scheduled servicing, but i dont know what you mean by hoses. i mean petrol cars should have their fuel hoses checked too.

oh yeah and if i remember toyota and holden both had recalls on their fuel tanks due to splitting. a gas tank has less chance of splitting/cracking

Tony M
the I6 motor made right here is a world class motor too.

dont forget people reducing the engine capacity wont always reduce fuel consumption either. holden have proven it. infact they get worse consumption from the 3.6L than what they got from the 3.8L

also the ford V6 in question has a fair bit less torque which suggests that consumption would be worse aswell especially under load

Looks like the 12 year olds are back!!!!!!!!!!!

Andrew M: Yes the Ford inline 6 is a great motor but what we need to remember is we are part of a global market. It’s not an issue of how great our motor is because in the end it will be Ford USA who decides what we will and will not use.
I hate to say this but I believe that our future Australian cars will be “bitsa” cars.
You know every one is jumping up for joy because our dollar is so high, well remember what happens to the price of our exports (especially our cars/components).
It’s clear to me that the new Orion with have to be part of the gobal market and I would not be surprised if our chassis (both Orion and Commodore)will be exported to the States for use on their cars.
As for those people who seem to have a problem with certain parts of theirs and other anatomy, grow up if possible. All you do is display a lack of class and knowledge. And at a guess I would suggest you measure things by size not by use.

this cracks me up reading all these ford vs. holden comments, come-on people we all know ford is better than holden any day

i remember reading in a wheels mag that they had inside info and that the i6 will power the orion and it will meet euro 4 emmissions for when they come into place in 2010. the emission laws that are in place now stopped holden from making some of their v8 models like the crewman v8 avalaunche or some stupid name like that and a few others.

You must be related to this former Formula 1 driver I think.

Missile: I totally agree with u about the way holden won the championship last year. What we could of had was a race reminiscant of the great peter brock/dick johnson race at lakeside in 1981 which as the same situation and the eventual outcome left fans of both sides happy with the results. But no other holden drivers had to block lowndes and the brothers gay had to run him off the track in order to win. FUCKIN BULLSHIT

I have just read that Ford will be closing their engine making plant. I feel for those who might lose their jobs directly and indirectly. When you see what Ford USA has been doing over the last 12 months in rationalising their organisation (similarly so has GM)you realise that it had to have an impact in Australia.

The Ford Orion appears to be the last car that Ford makes with their straight six. But a car is more than its engine. I still believe the dynamics of the current and future Fords is vastly superior than the current Commodore. It is clear from the reports out in the car industry that the Falcon is more tailored to Australian conditions than the Commodore.

We do need both the Falcon (Orion) and the Commodore in Australia as our population is increasing. But I do believe that we should be more Europe orientated than American in our car design and dynamics.

Andrew M: I still believe Ford will have to taylor the new V6 to accomodate LPG as I believe this fuel source is a widely accepted alterantive to petrol in Australia but a also believe that there will be a major shit to diesel. I have read an article in one of the car magazines that suggest in the next Commodore update, Holden will be using a turbo diesel engine as well as their current 3.6 litre petrol.

The 3.5 litre Duratec engine has 198kw and 339 Nm of torque. I’m led to believe that we might get a 3.8 litre which I can’t find any power or torque figures for. One thing that must be remembered is that the engine is all aluminium which will make it very light.

I also read that it was regarded as one of the top 10 engines in the world.

i dont think a 3.5L is inuff the new holdens are 3.6L and there really slugish it feels like thers no torque

but i guess iff they want real good fuel aconamy thats what you would have to do

yea it wont have more torque if it becomes a v6 3.5L

Look all you wankers. The Ford Boss 5.4 is a better engine than the Holden 6 Litre. Who cares where the engines are made, the fact remains the 5.4 is more technology advanced. It has slightly less KW than the 6 liter but the 5.4 has more torque so is arguably the more powerful engine. It is a smaller engine with roughly equivilent HP as the Holden 6 litre. I think Holden R8 is a good looker, which, is where Ford will need to match or better in 2008. But if you are in the market for a powerful car then you need to look at the mechanics of the vehicle as well as the looks. This is where the Ford comes into its own. The Ford is extremly suffisticated in engine,transmision,computerised handling, particularly when cornering. It is streets ahead of the commadore. If the 2008 has the right body it will be a hands down winner. I am looking to sell my 2006 BMW 5 for the 2008 Ford Package. I have done my research.

garth tander rules go holden queensland raceway

The issue regarding the inline 4.0 litre in comparison to the V6 3.5 litre (I still believe Ford will use the 3.8 litre) is the smaller motor is made of aluminium which heats up quicker and therefore creates less polusion.

What I don’t understand is why they don’t cut 2 cylinders off the 4.0 litre motor which should bring it down to about 2.6 litres and make it into a turbo diesel engine. All the hardware to don this is at Geelong, and guess what, it would be made for export.

There is another engine that might by put out to pasture and that is the 5.4 V8, why, try iron block. But fortunately Ford has the all aluminium 4.4 V8.
Put a supercharger on it and I believe we are talking about 400kw.

The Orion Falcon looks set to be a triumph for Ford Australia. It carries design cues from BFII and other car styling and engine/transmission from BF that will easily be competitive until the 2010 V6 comes into play. If the is the new ”AU” Imagine how good our future mid – life facelift ”BA” will be by 2012… The styling wont polorise like AU, wont be as unreliable as the EA was, and not a glass house like the XD. I’m a New Zealander, where the term ‘Orion’ was used as a sub modal for a telstar between 1992 – 1997. I still believe the EA was the most stunning new aero dynamic modal of all new generations.

I think the ea was far more reliable then the el au ba and bf ( with my experiance anyway)…i really do hope they look at improving the quality of the falcons in this model…but if this car is as successfull as the BA was, or more, then we have ourselves a great car. i still remember lokking at the AU when it first arrived and i was worried but not when i look at this. And as for the v6 in 2010, we dont need it, i love the inline sixes, its where our advantage lies

Holden Rules: You need help.

I know plenty of people who are real Holden supporters and believe me they’re nothing like you. Again I say you need help.

I didnt say their arent real holden supporters, but the people i mentioned dont know shit…comprehension mate

its confirmed
the orion FPV
GT=320kW
F6=300kW
GTHO?

Paul GTP said: you might be right regarding the high performance end of the Australian made cars. But you measure a car by the bottom end of the market and I believe the current Ford Falcon is a better car that the VE Commodore. What I seem to notice is the Falcons just keep on comming while the Commodores have high maintanence costs over time.

The interesting point you made about how a high performance FPV turbo Falcon might need an engine rebuilt at 100,000km should also be considered when you have the current Commodore weight increase of 100 plus kg and how it’s 3.6 litre engine is struggling to handle the heavier car. I suspect the Commodore might need an engine rebuilt a lot sooner.

who comfirmed these figures i thought i was still speculation and wheels insiders. though i do believe the gt and f6 will have 320 and 300 wheels reckons the typhoon will have 575nm of torque from 2000 rpm but they say it will be only able to do 0- 100kmh in low 5s but hsv claim gts can do 0-100 in 4.9. that car does have more power but not as much torque and from that low. plus it should be lighter car

Kelly is a handbag . Beleive what you want they were blocking Craig and the officials new it in the end by giving Kelly the drive through. They Cheated !!!!!!!!!!

It will go down as one of the most undeserving championship wins in V8 Supercars history as far as the Ford fans are concerned.

But Karma got them last year when Skafie cooked the clutch on the line at Bathurst,hahahaha Tander looked real dirty,I bet he’s hoping Skafie isnt going to be his team mate AGAIN!

They did a similar thing last year hope Karma catches them again,I know I will be out with my VOODOO Skaife doll sticking pins in him again. Worked last year ! I am a Enforcer fan anyway,bring back GOD/ Ambrose for Russells team mate and look out Murphy if that happens.LOL…….

Spot on Azza, no one has respect for Kelly ,he has always seemed to have punted drivers off the track,remember Bright in wall at about 150 klm at Indy a few years ago c/o of Crash Bandicott ? Then Bright was Holden too,Kelly is a tool not TOll!!!!!!!!! He is such a girl,he sounds like he’s crying when he gets upset ,maybe his gonads havent dropped yet,his voice sounds like it! HAHAHAHA

wow WHEELNUT is very defensive of his holden counterparts…your an amateur round the racing scene i take it…typical holden finding an excuse for their every failure, of course it cant be the fact that ford are better can it?? you cant blame race control for a burnt clutch, its racing, and no one else was left sitting on the line sniffing burnt aspestos…and race controls gave kelly a slap on the wrist penalty because he cheated, not because lowndes pushed for a penalty…its fine he won the championship, because look at the respect he lost doing it. lowndes is a much better racer then kelly even though he was robbed of the win

I am not accusing Kelly or Lowndes for their actions at Phillip Island. it was just an unfortunate racing incident.

I agree Kelly did make the initial contact. Race Control reviewed the footage deemed that a pass had been made and issued a drive through which is all they could have done under the rules.

However; sometimes when a pass is being made or, has been made there isn’t always enough time or space on the road/track for the pass to be completed safely.. contact is made which results in an accident.
When an accident occurs both drivers involved must have made some sort of mistake which somehow contributed to it. [usually speed or distance]

I have been a Flaggie for 10 years over that time I have gotten to know most of the drivers including Lowndes and Kelly from chats with them in the pits after the fans have gone home. Therefore; I can honestly say neither driver would want to win a race/championship if it meant they had to deliberately take another driver out.. its not in their nature.
and I respect them both

If Kelly is such a cheat and so reckless then why hasn’t he been involved in more incidents this year trying to defend his title?

It wasn’t deliberate it was a racing incident which was dealt with accordingly. Deal with it

wheelnut,
what im getting at is the long and drawn out process at the start of the year that nearly had HSV and HRT kicked out for the year. they have now proven they are owned by separate entities (just to keep people happy but we know really what is going on).
if they did merge it would just prove guilt on their behalf yet again.
they nearly got fried over the last driver/team swap thing and also the involvment of tom walkinshaw so i doubt they would be game to do it again.

if they co-enter drivers on other cars again it is admission that they are owned by the same person.

also jeldwen and caltex is totally different. SBR holds a 2 car licence and declare both cars fairly under the one banner. they just have different sponsors on each of the cars. same with FPR.
they can declare they run 2 cars but not 4 or 6. if they run 4 or 6 they are cheating….simple.

they brought these restrictions in to deal with the “TWR empire” that consisted of effictivly a 6 car team and also saw a holden dominence for a few years.
both fans and teams saw that it gave those teams an unfair advantage so they had to deal with it

Lets see “holden design new model cost $5,000,000 ” What if we weld a Mitsubishi 380 rear end onto a Ford BA front end then we will add a V6 make it rear wheel drive. HEY PRESTO we have a new model get real tossers

yeah the hsv/toll teams have a pretty funny relationship????
did you catch the press conferences on bigpond? i usually like to catch tham for a laugh. hey the funniest one i have seen is rick kelly studdering in the conference after he won the championship last year. ….funny as!!

yeah i am so sick of the way the hsv and toll teams are so up tight and dont relax infront of the media.

as for the result its good to see a holden other than one of the “holden pumps shit loads of money into teams” win for once.

i am a massive ford fan but my respect for holden lays as far as perkins racing. now he is a nice/decent and ethical bloke. im saying that to prove im not a biased ford follower. pity the other holden teams breed such ignorance into their drivers.
and thats pretty much why lowndes left them.

i didnt mind tander when he was with GRM but now he says some of the pigheadest things

wat a rip of of the ve holden commodor for you still suck

dont know about the new modle but i hope the v8 valves dosnt burn out like the BA you would of thought ford would of fixed the problem in the BF modle $$$$$$$$$$

I can’t believe some of the drivel written above, it makes me remember why I stopped visiting fordforums. I have picked out three particularly poor contributions that I plan to respond to specifically.

But first I just want to give my opinion on the new Falcon – noting I don’t drive a Commodore or Falcon, but have owned Commodore’s previously and probably lean to the red side. In disguised pre-production form it is hard to tell definitively how good it will look, but the front seems to look nice and aggresive and hopefully it will look a lot less bland than the BA-BF. I am sure it will be a good car, there is no reason why it won’t be, if you take the current well regarded platform and make some improvements how could it not be good. Only downside I can see, as mentioned by XR6_T, the Orion looks like old fashioned with a short wheelbase long overhang stance compared to the VE. Personally I reckon the VE looks great, the seemingly controversial flares look tough as, though with the big wheel arches it doesn’t start to look balanced until it has 19 inch wheels on it, the 16s on Omegas really look bad. Also I can’t believe they kept the old crappy 4 speed box, I hope Holden is making good use of whatever money that decision is making for them. It has deserved the awards it has won, but it will be interesting to see how the Orion changes things.

Jacob you are worse than Andrew M, far worse. Their, it is spelt their, not there. Anyway, I don’t know what the hell you are talking about, Holden hasn’t changed it’s look in 20 years and Ford has??? Have you seen an AU?? Does it have any resemblance to models before or after?? Some people would suggest some similar themes over time would be a virtue not a reason for criticism. I am not sure that this even worth mentioning on either side but probably there is more consistency in styling over the last 20 years for Holden than Ford, you can sort of see the progression from VN to VT to VE, but gee it is barely worth bringing up.

I don’t think the BA/BF is ugly it is just a bit bland and boring, probably understandable after the AU debacle. Holden has probably been a touch more adventurous styling wise since then, but only marginally.

Yeah, the bonnet bulge looks tough I guess but if the motor fitted in the car in the first place you wouldn’t need it. The ‘sornkels’ (sic) had much more to do with the preferences of the US market I believe than the XR8 or XA, 18,000 GTOs versus 3,000 Monaros gives you a clue.

Ford rapes Holden to the grave, very clever objective commentary I can’t argue with that one.

No Commodore has double wishbone suspension, VEs have a strut with lower wishbone front and multi link rear. Pretty similar to many other cars, nothing to do with Ford.

Back in the day with the 5ltr??? Is that meant to be comedy or what, I can’t even begin to critique that. Holden was importing V8s from the US and decided to develop a new one here, how is that even relevant. What should they have built a V16 2 litre just to be different, that was the configuration of motor that made the most sense to make, so what. Should I argue that because Holden developed a four door sedan in Australia for 1948 any subsequent Ford design is a rip off???

BMW trannies??? Ha ha ha, it is a GM Powertrain product built in Europe that BMW decided to buy for its cars. Must be ok then hey, surely BMW wouldn’t buy a second rate part. And before any smart arse replies now BMW buy the ZF 6 speeder instead of the GM 5 speed box.

Chev engines??? Ha ha ha ha, Chev doesn’t make engines, Chevrolet is nothing more than a badge, it is a GM Powertrain motor used across many different GM Divisions. Not sure exactly how Ford organises itself worldwide, but potentially it also has a division that develops motors for all different markets, though the debacle with the Ford Australia six cylinder engine suggests otherwise.

In the V8 series they use our diffs, ha ha ha ha ha, there is not one single atom of metal in the diff produced by Ford Australia. They are built by specialst manufacturers for the series. The design?? What as soon as anyone makes a simple bevel gear diff with a 9 inch diameter they need to acknowledge Ford, dreaming.

Less of a Commodore?? More of a what?? The VE is 100% designed and engineered in Australia as a Commodore and as the Zeta component set for other GM large rear drive products. Is the fact that Ford Australia is ignored by the rest of the Ford empire and has to develop a product that does not share one nut and bolt with anything other product in any other market a good thing?? Maybe you should ask the people of Geelong if they agree with you.

Tonka truck??? I’m not sure how to respond to that, other than to say, I bet Toyota wished that people compared their products to tonka trucks, instead of refrigerators.

Shut down their biggest production line in Melbourne?? What they have done is built a new factory in Melbourne to assemble V6 motors for the world. Perhaps you should again ask the people of Geelong their view on the world wide manufacturing strategy of Ford.

There are 3 and maybe 4 organisations that create cars to any meaningful degree in Australia. Holden means as much if not more to Australia than any of the others. If Holden completely shut up shop in Australia tomorrow, then the other 3 would follow suit within months.

HENRY… you are right about Holden. SLATEMAN… you Holden lovers are so ridiculuous at times that you all line up as you all shaft the exhaust pipes on the cars you ogle over thinking they are gods gift to the motoring world. You state Holden has not really changed the model look over 20 or so years and that the VE is 100% designed and engineered in Australia as a Commodore and as the Zeta component set for other GM large rear drive products. Gee mate, get your facts crystal dam clear cobber, Holden Commodore clearly initiated from Opel and Holden just tweaked it to suit (subtle). HENRY is right about what will happen to Holden as you are already seeing a change of where people work by going to other countries, etc. HOLDEN MEANS A GREAT DEAL TO AUSTRALIA IS A BLOODY JOKE OF A RECENT AD AS IT ONLY BUILDS 1 MODEL IN AUSTRALIA. FORD WILL BUILD FOCUS / FALCON / TERRITORY AND YOU HAVE THE STUPID NERVE TO SAY FORD SUCKS… you obviously support cars mainly to be built offshore and if you lot had any backbone and balls you would scream / complain / voice loudly the disgust that Holden (which you zombies love to spout is an Australian icon) only build 1 local car. Holden equals glitz, crap and hoopla with big ticket people backing up and showing up on ads (Greg Norman, that Comedian, etc) who hoodwink all you dills by not overly building cars Downunder. Holden sells well because facts are they have to offer company incentives to compete with Aurion and other great packaged cars that have sweet $$$ on its head courtesy of exchange rates and management biting the bullet like Kia and Hyundai by offering major huge deals everyday virtually of the year. Good on FORD for having the ability to get management to keep it real by offering to build 3 cars locally and yes it hurts about where they source motors – at least the will build 3 locally made vehicles to Holdens 1. Mate you people need to be taken out the back and Reg Reegan off the Footy Show (aka Mathew Johns) give you some drunk uppercuts because at times you lot go on punchdrunk with gibberish I know it all crap! Whilst the TRD will not impact HRT, the Aurion / Camry, and new Falcon will.

Did you even read anything I wrote?? I will type in words of one syllable for you. What I said was :the VE is a newly developed component set, and the styling of Commodores over the last 20 years is probably marginally more consistent than Falcons (an arguable point that I said was hardly worth mentioning).

Good luck to Ford Australia if they build 3 different cars in Australia, I never once denigrated Ford Australia in my posts. As I said though, Territory shares tonnes of parts and engineering with Falcon so barely counts as a whole new model. Also where will the engineering be done on the Focus, where will motors be built etc. It will have plenty of input outside Australia. It is not a Ford Australia product, which seems to interest so many around here when they attack Holden – it is no different to if GM decided to assemble a Viva or Barina or whatever in Australia. Have to say though if people get spooked even more by petrol prices this could be a masterstroke by Ford Australia.

Finally, what are the stats on number of cars produced in Australia, how much capital is invested by each manufacturer, how many people are employed? The answer is I don’t know off the top of my head by pretty easy to find out (suspect you will find it is pretty even or probably Holden marginally ahead). Frankly I don’t care but you are basically saying that Ford Australia will produce 3 types of cars in Australia and Holden 1, therefore Ford Australia is great and Holden is rubbish and I just don’t buy it.

Your’s just seemed to be typical of posts on here, short on facts long on anti Holden bias without actually understanding what you were talking about.

SLATEMAN…how dare you accept Holden build only 1 vehicle downunder whilst from under your nose Holden is realigning itself right out from here bit by bit. Read Henry’s post as true heaps!

Slateman,
well i dont know where to start. ill be honest i found it hard to follow what you were having a go at me about (try quoting something)

well you can get your facts on job losses in geelong for a starter. is there being any lost? really? STOP READING THE HEADLINES.

with exports what does it count for in australia? ford is following the same export preparation of their vehicles now too. the one main reason i see holden started exporting first is the fact that GM was in trouble a lot earlier than ford.

with new models coming to OZ…
ford AUS will have a part in designing the focus and also the ranger which is also rumoured to come here aswell (not just assembling)

oh yeah with the 2 door camero development it backs up what i said earlier…GM is in more trouble than ford. ford is still ticking along very well with the mustang so why do they need to put their hands up looking for someone else to have a go at it.

sorry thats about all i could make of what you were saying as your responces must have been to something that was typed a while ago. feel free to start a new argument though cause you are entitled to your say if you dont agree. but, yeah was a bit hard to follow you

slateman, i dont know where you get your info from but ford australia is almost completely independent from ford usa, unlike holden who ship their already usa made cars back to the states and badge them as pontiacs. I Think that ford australia really need to hype up the advertising, i dont know about oz but in nz theres not alot of advertising for ford and the advertising that there is, is not great. The BA/BF ate the Vy/Vz and is still highly competive with this “new” commodore that cost a billion bucks, just wait for the new falcon, then the playing fields will be miles apart. i heard somewhere that holden were in court because the VE looks so similar to the Ba/BF, am i right? I love the new falcon, cant wait to see the real thing!!

Go the mighty blue oval

Slateman, I’d say something to you, but everyother normal person who has their normal and unbias opinions which are facts, has beaten me to it… So to me, you’re just a waste of time. Your just another blowjob reject that is so high on your own fumes that supports Holden with no reason.

To Steve (23/8/2007)! You moron!
Ford are allowed to have their new model look similar to their previous model… And I don’t think that it is coincidence that the VE Commodore looks like the BA/BF Falcon. So all in all, the VE is a wannabee remake of the BA/BF Falcon. And funly enough, Holden still made it look ugly!

Bob – maybe read what people write next time and not just pick up a snippet from your Ford buddies. Your response was the sort of thing that made me write on this forum in the first place – light on in terms of thought and heavy on emotion and bias.

Point out one thing that I said that is factually incorrect or even where I said anything negative about Ford.

Last post before I get rsi from typing so much. Mason, in a round about way you are picking up on the same points I made – in a product development sense Holden has been better integrated into the world wide GM empire than Ford Australia. As I have said though, in an organisational sense it is just the same, a wholly owned subsidiary that can’t breathe or spend one dollar without approval from Detroit.

SLATEMAN… you Holden wankers love standing in queue and taking your turn to …. shaft the exhaust pipes on Holden Commodores (boy with the utes even in base model form you can really plug away well). VZ Commodore has GENERIC OPEL GENES MATE SIMPLE REALITY and its people like you who have selective memory or rearranging reality to suit to make you guys seem smarter then a Professor.

I couldn’t resist coming back to read some more. I was going to add a comment about masturbation in my last post but I thought Roberto you would feel clever if you got to do it.

I said that previous Commodores had Opel content in them, why are you trying to say I didn’t?

Slateman,
from memory the only thing i really said about the re badging thing was the fact that when daewoo was sold as daewoos people learnt not to touch them and hence daewoo Australia had to fold. yet they bring them back to OZ, slap a silver lion on them, whack another $5K on them and sell them upon the “holden image”. and i reckon 80% of people go “really?” when you tell them they are daewoos.
you cant tell me there is anything untruthfull about that. i have never bagged opels being re-badged as astras or vectras because at least they are a better car and they are not really breaking morals like the daewoos are (so to speak). so yes fair comment they arent hiding anything with the opels/vauxhalls but you cant say they are not with the daewoos because the market theory i have just spoken about just proves it.

were you sarcastic with the job loss comment or you giving credit where credit is due? yes its not bad when you read the FULL ford future stratogey. if you read properly you will find they plan to re-deploy staf in to their existing other arms of ford AUS and couple that with the 300 (i think it was)extra jobs that will be created due to the focus coming down under and the diesel line up coming here and also with the talk of the new ranger coming here to be designed here aswell etc etc etc. just curious did you hear about any of the extra jobs ford is creating or just the BOLD headlines that suggest that ford is simply firing people left, right and centre.

ok you dont agree with my slant on holden exporting then ok ill put it a different way…..
why would ford US need ford AUS to design a replacement for the 2 door mustang when what they already have (in the mustang) kills the market anyway.
next you have the camero that is being killed by the mustang so what do they do?? yep let someone else have a go at creating the new camero to see if they cant better the sales and resurect it (enter holden AUS)
oh and the falcon platform is set to be the basis for the new mustang aswell (well just the chassis not the full thing like the camero prob will be)

G’day boys+gals I was wondering what all of you reckon of the main design of the new ford GT’s. Being a holden lover (and also a first year apprentice in a Ford workshop), I really must admit there is not much different from the new 08 fords to the VE range….On the fords they have the same mag wheels as some of the VE’s and not to mension the same kind of sqashed in front and even the almost same style of fluting on the bonnet sidepanels. Now all I ask of is the opinions of all out there, why is there no distinghushing features on the new model fords compared to the VE’s. To me the cars look the same and that is an absolute crime. I mean please wheres the new age looks of the car gone, when the VE’s first came out it was like wow, look at that, thats a nice looking car. Now that ford has surfaced with a new model range for 08, I hate to admit it, but it’s like the car design is a copy, however a vague one, of the VE’s.

Andrew we are getting somewhere slowly, though I think you are running too hard on the headline gag, it was pretty marginal to begin with.

I was half being sarcastic about the job loss comment and half serious. It is true I have not researched extensively Fords personnel plans but the last I heard was that they were attempting to redeploy those staff but there didn’t appear to be any guarantees.

I think people take the whole re-badging thing too far, I can’t see how matters what they are called elsewhere. Would it change things if Daewoos were never sold here under that brand? There is nothing sinister about it anyway, GM always had some links with Daewoo, the company went broke so GM bought them out. They are now just another GM product that happens to be built in Korea. It is not a secret to people who know anything about cars, and those that don’t know probably couldn’t care. These are all just GM products that are sold here under the one brand to simplify marketing.

I’ll give you a reason why it could be a good idea for Ford Aus to design the new Mustang. Developing cars costs shedloads of money, anything you can do to cut development costs helps the companies bottom line. Why have different parts of the same empire independently developing a similar thing. Why give Ford Aus a billion dollars to develop a new large car platform, then spend another billion developing a parallel platform in the US. If one group can develop the platform for a billion and you spend half a billion on working up the different variants you need you are half a billion in front.

This is not news to you, it has been going on big time for years. You would be well aware that a Ford Focus, Mazda 3, Volvo S40 and Land Rover Freelander all share the same underpinnings. Now where was that basic platform developed?? No idea, but it doesn’t matter in the slightest where it was. People just need to get away from the ‘not invented here’ mindset.

Had to laugh as I get down to the bottom to read that the Falcon platform was to be the basis for the Mustang, I think that somehow that doesn’t help your argument (in fact it kills it). I remember hearing somewhere that this had been talked about but didn’t know it was actually happening. Would have to be a good move, every review of the current Mustang I have seen is pretty ordinary, having some proper suspension under it will improve it no end.

I think I have gone over my daily word limit so it might be time to retire for the night.

Sounds like a lot of very embarressed and jelous ford fans trying to compare their shitbox falcons to to the ever so outstanding and totaly brilliant holden commodore, the only ones that listen to the ford crap comments are other looser ford drivers,no use putting crap on holden drivers we know how embarress you all are to drive fords I would be to but I’m not that stupid.

Them’s the facts!

yep ill informed and misguided one at that

An inside into the more base model Orion.
http://www.cgiautomotive.com/2008/2008-ford-falcon-orion/

missile,
was it only the XR6 on that site?

Wow, the fact alone that you knobs will expel so much effort into arguing over such trivial shit, and then call each other bogans is a joke.

Call me crazy, and knowing the type of people on this site you will, but i like the shape of the ve, and personally think the ford looks ridiculous. That’s the funny thing about perception, people perceive things differently. And guess what, i own a BA. Shock horror.

I’ve got some advice, why don’t all you boy/girl racer wannabes crawl back under that ignorant rock you slithered out from, you’re making all australian ford and holden lovers look like fucken idiots.

Kind Regards,
Fuck You.

ive seen it actually driving with the black stuff on it on the free way and it looks way better in real life but i wouldnt say the ute looks so good the sedans looked better

Slateman you are full of bee’s wax including being one big numb nut, your comment’s lack substance and facts give up while you can breath…….

with the orion falcon getting new engines in 2010 have they confirmed any v8 yet, i ask this because motor mag says that the jaguar engine is what they will get but wheels says its the the new boss engines(hurricane). with these new engine they will more then likely drop the weight of the car. we could have a ford falcon gt with 320kw that only weights 1600kg or there abouts. or a typhoon with 309 kw with the twin force technology that would be nice

Why does the next BF Falcon XR have no power increase? The current SS has 270kw when the XR8 still has 260kw
Why does the Cobra only have 302kw, the current HSV has 307kw

on my way to work, i saw a bloody holden VY with a XR8 bonnet. go figure? it just shows that holden went wrong somewhere with it styling!

Ford is Ford…they’re the best anyways…though i am very happy with my 5.4Litre BA XT MkII, it has 288.3kW at the rear wheels…and i am happy with 11.5s 400m….i have over 700Nm at just 1800rpm….ahhahaah thats what the Dyno says … some 872Nm at just 3000rpm, wa hahahah and 839Nm at 6200rpm wa hahahahahahahahahhah FORD is more Australian than Holden which is just a badge … and has nothing to do with Australia nor is an Australian brand or ever designed here … its just an Opel;) at the end of the day…GM piece of shit!

40 years of GT Falcons no wonder ford still lead in high performance Falcons.

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Oh you holden and ford fans are prehistoric. I don’t drive either,but have driven both. Ford is good nice ride and good all around handling, interior and exterior a bit dated,the Orion is a go nowhere for Ford it’s a BA. Commodore VE 6 sounds like a motor mower and drives like a truck and rides like a billy-cart. So Toyota sold more cars than Ford and Holden last month, why? Toyota must be the ugliest cars in OZ apart from BMW.

on the 4th and 5th pics the gt looks like it has a shaker on it, i wonder if they will put one on for the superoo if they do make it

The 4 pics of the ones that have “GT” on the grill are fakes.
And even the bonnet is a fake, because it looks like the package of it’s air filter eliment glued on and the same bonnet of the old fuel-injected Mercs.

HAHA Holdens are fucking shit and dont try to prove me wrong that holdens are better coz they certainly are NOT at all… MERRY CHRISTMAS

I needed a good laugh after the last few days and this did it.

Thanks to one of the guys on the Ford Forums!Dumbrell has been confirmed to go too Toll..this is what he said!

“”Can every one put Dumb & P.rick together? What does it read? /end sarcasm”" hahahahaha…that was good!
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as far a i know Will is confirmed for DJR so i dont know how that speculation has risen.

Besnard, Youlden and vangisbergen have been my tipped contenders.
Besnard may have grown up a bit now too so dont write him off just yet. when besnard started with SBR they had him in the development series and no one could catch him. its partly due to him having had a good car at the time i suppose but he would usually run off the track at least once in every race and still catch every one again and win.
he also is very very good mates with courtney. he was actually courtneys mentor when they were going through the ranks.
Youlden has well and truely proven himself in a SBR car as being more than capable many times.

Vangisbergen drives an SBR prepared car already so its almost like he would know the script.

Hey, stay away from the “Volkswagen to beat Toyota with quality & beauty” post if you don’t want to see Toyota Paulie again.

I remember the words they never said in the song…….is that what your talking about??

yep thats it BM…

you know the words every one sings obviously.

Seen the new Falcon today driving along Horseshoebend Road, Torquay at about 1030am. There where two cars following it and one in front of it. Its a great way to get everybodys attention as it did for me. Great camoflauge they use on it but the FORD badges stood out. I bet they be takin it on the Great Ocean road to give it a good run.

Me, grow up. That is all.

Ok mate. Recap the abuse you’ve thrown my way in the last few hours. I just pointed out when you were wrong, and now you’ve gone on acting like a 10 yr old.

^Then why do you even bother?

See my post on Land Rover LRX post. I don’t plan on responding to any more of your petty remarks.

Yes BM that’s over now and time to think about X-MAS!

We all know how good the Ford typhoon is and how holden doesnt even have a match for it. Wait till they bring the next GTHO out. That is gonna bring back memories like the XYGTHO did. Ford falcon will be the worlds faster 4 door sedan again soon. Holden is doomed as always. Bring it on Ford cause Ford is the only aussie car company that can do it.

What about bret c,s coments to paul? did you ban him?

Hey BK,

You sound like a complete retard that knows nothing! Ford has lost millions over dollars because of the ageing falcon. And the Commodore sales are rising you idiot!”ford always makes smart moves” BK says. Well i say……..what a load of crap!OK whats your answer for ford lossing millons of dollars this year idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!And ahhhhhhhhh holdens V8s are faster!!

P.S. BK, wait till the camouflage come off the falcon, then you will be scared and shocked to see how stupid it is!!!! And if ford will spend half a billion dollars on the new orion, holden has spent 1 billlion dollars, so fords way has been to just to copy a few design parts of holden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Stupid Scams!!!

Duck,
maybe ford did report a loss last year but holden reported an even bigger one.

you a few cards short so im not even going to try and explain basic business principles “101″. if you knew that you would know profits and losses are reflective of development costs.

Ford actually did holden a favour by not releasing a new car to coincide with the release of the VE. remember who took all the gongs when ford and holden both released new cars in the same month of 2002? and ford was still getting them 3yrs after the fact

Duck, there are cycles of profit and loss in the car industry. If you look back you’d find Holden were posting big losses while they were spending money on the development of the VE. Back to profit once the VE was completed.

Similarly, Ford lost money while developing BA, and after it’s release, they were making large profits again.

Right now Ford is spending on Orion, and making very little money off BF sales to offset that, because most people will want to wait for the new model (I am in that boat).

We’ve all had the debates, yes Holden has a bit better V8 at the moment, Ford has a better 6.

All manufacturers copy to some degree. VE headlights look like BF headlights they put through the wash and shrunk a bit. Many Euros have been into flared gaurds for years. Territory had pull style door handles before VE, etc, etc… The copying debate is pointles IMO.

If there were no copying at all, there would be thousands of unique cars with seriously whacky designs, and that isn’t possible. As long as a car isn’t a mirror image .ie. direct knock off like the Chinese seem to be doing lately, the copying argument is pointless.

And you contradict yourself. If Falcon copies Commodore, as you say, then why would it be crap?

Have you seen the Orion uncamoflaged?? I’d pay you to see pictures. Until then, I’m reserving judgement. It looks good from what I can see so far.

I don’t agree with BK’s assertions either, maybe he’s trying to get a rise out of you.

ha ha ha Watto
i beat you to saying the profit and loss stuff

yeah you would have started that one last night by the look of it

BK: you say that VE sales are falling..?

If they were falling then how has Holden been able to maintain its position at the top of the sales charts over the last year?

I mean if VE sales were falling surely by now Holden would have been overtaken by Mazda and Ford as sales of the Mazda 6 and Focus continued to increase month after month.

Because sales the other cars in the Holden range have either plateaued/stabilised [Astra] or fallen [Barina]

The fact that Holden is still up there must mean that the VE sales have also increased month after month either by the same amount as the those behind it; if not more.

You also say that Ford always make samrt moves with their cars. However; Holden have ever had as much trouble selling Commodores as Ford did with the AU [excl FPV].

I mentioned the headlights, but not specifically to say VE copied BA. My point was to say a little copying (or similarity) is inevitable, there are only so many new ideas each generation. If someone comes up with a new idea like, say airbags, the rest have no choice but to follow suit.

I’m really not worried about VE headlights looking so similar to BA/BF because it is a nice design and the rest of the car is so different that I can still pick which is which from 100m down the road.

QUOTE BK = “We all know how good the Ford typhoon is and how holden doesnt even have a match for it. Wait till they bring the next GTHO out. That is gonna bring back memories like the XYGTHO did. Ford falcon will be the worlds faster 4 door sedan again soon. Holden is doomed as always. Bring it on Ford cause Ford is the only aussie car company that can do it.”

It is unlikely Ford OZ will claim that title any time soon (or Holden for that matter, unless they stick in a 12 litre Chev). You would have to beat BMW, Merc-Benz, Audi, all the Euro’s big guns. They cost more but unless our local muscle cars are willing to double their price we won’t touch them.

Wheelnut, I’ll go out on a limb and say that I don’t think many of us agree with BK’s statement.

George, it’s a test mule, just because it has no spoiler won’t mean it will never have one.

Not long now people till new falcon arrives. Its a winner like with all new falcons. Its gonna be better than all the rest.

it may not be a gt or gt-p because there is no wing it could be a force 8….

BK,
both ford and holden make cars that are just as efficient as toyotas.
aarrrrrrhhhhhh what is it with peoples perceptions about toyotas being more efficient than anyone else?

Or anyone for that matter?

mitch, it’s a test mule for testing the V8 in a Falcon, it’s not any exact model. The rear wing is un needed and/or was still under development at that time.

Watto, I have no idea how you get your consumption so low. I’ve got an AUIII and BF Mk2 in the family, and both average about 16L/100km, which admittedly is mostly city/suburb driving. I don’t believe you are doing 40% city driving and getting 7.8L/100km, when I get about 7-7.5 on a highway driving for economy (const. speed, etc).

16L/100??? Geez, I’m never come near that.

But perhaps I should’ve labelled it “large town” rather than “city”. Albury isn’t a huge place

But that’s no joke what I got. As I said, I was driving carefully for economy, just to see what I’d get compared to how I normally drive, which is what my next tank will measure.

Now, in 7 years I know I’ve never gotten less than 580kms on a full tank and have never put more than 60L into my car, which is why I said I’m sure I’ll get no worse than 10L/100kms (point something) even with my heavy right foot. Again, approximately 40/60 large-town/country driving.

I didn’t realise you had two Falcons in the family Jbot.

Mine spend most of their time in stop-start rush hour traffic, so its at the worse possible end of the spectrum. They are good on the highway though. The BF Mk2 hasnt got that many kms on it, so it will prob improve on those figures. it was a 2005 bought new last year with about 12k off the rrp. best way to buy a car!

I was pretty sure yours was either an E-gas or a dedicated gas model Andrew.M. XR8 ute isn’t it? Which means aftermarket dedicated gas. Dual-fuel is not too good.

When I get my new ‘phoon, I may consider putting the AU on gas, if prices are seasonal and don’t constantly go up.

Jbot, yep stop/start rush hour would hurt, of course, but I rarely experience such bad traffic (or I’d go postal). I avoid Melbourne and Sydney at all costs.

I’ve gone as far as to make a spreadsheet to keep records and calculate my fuel figures (litres/100kms and cents/litre based on the current price).

I’m doing this because I’m sick of people saying Falcons are thirsty, and I want my own real world proof. In your situation Jbot, I could understand someone getting a smaller car, great for stop/start. In mine, the Falcon with it’s highway legs and torque for towing, suit me perfectly.

^7.8L/100kms

Remember the Falcon has allways had good fuel consumption for a 6-cylinder car.

The first Falcon in 1960(XK), Ford claimed it did 30mpg – Great figures for a 6 cylinder at that time.

The OHV X-Flow is the engine that killed the Holden red motors in the 80s, fuel consumption was one of the reasons.

Yeh Watto, thats why I do drive a smaller car haha. Dad needs the Falcon for towing his 4.8m boat, the other is the old tow vehicle which stayed in the family.

Oz, I’d like to see the Orion have DI, more power and even better economy, but it’s highly doubtful since it’s going in 2010 Maybe it’ll have DI e-gas? I’m hoping but kinda doubtful too tho.

Andrew M, It had stoped raining in BNE, but more is on it’s way!

The XLS is more like the Futura ute, It looks good with the chrome on it though.

OZ,
you are on drugs mate ha ha ha ha
XLS is more the sports side than the futura side. it is definately the poor mans XR (or the smart mans due to the lower price tag)
and where’s this “chrome”

yeah the rain will come again.
got friends over in redlands and was there for new years actually.
so i know you r getting plenty of rain over there too

What kind of driving BK? City/country? Bitta both?

People what are you talking about???

This car will be worthless in 5 years.. Just look at any German manufactured cars from models from 1980 – 1995 Bmw, Audi, golf, or any another is looks much better than this latest ford or commodore. Even in next 15 years BMW 1995 will looks much better than 2019 Ford/Holden.

People in Germany giving away same cars, as in Australia selling for $5000

Australia is rich country with no own cars. Even Czechoslovakia has SKODA.

RGHS

Bitta both

No Ford badges are chrome they are all just heavy metals finished to resemble chrome