I don’t actually care mate, just stirring up teh Holden haters! People who actually know me know that i’m a mitsubishi man, not a holden man, i’ve only ever owned one holden and it was an astra and i hated it! lol

I just get annoyed with people who hate something they’ve never driven based solely on the fact they don’t like the badge on it. I say the same thing in Ford threads but for some reason everyone has decided I hate fords and only like holdens, whatever, i don’t particularly like either! I just happen to like the current model commodore, but hey i like the current model falcon even more! but whatever I’m defending holdens therefore must be a bogan, you know what its like on this site mate!

Oh yeah, How ya been by the way, long time, no speak

Dont know what sales numbers have to do with grading a particular vehicle. All it counts for is manufacturer bragging rights.
When I go shopping I dont ask what MR and MRS Jones bought last week and go the same road, I choose what I think is the better product and what suits my tastes

We were talking about Australian sales numbers of Australian built cars per manufacturer.
The comment was regarding plant volume, regardless of model nembers/types.

You claimed tha Ford build two “models” and Holden one, yet I clearly pointed out that they build 3 each. What’s missleading about that?

You can’t compare one range of vehicles to another range of vehicles unless all vehicles in that range have the exact same intended purpose, which in this case they do not.

I believe your trying to be deliberately missleading but I don’t understand why because you and I both know you are trying to compare apples with oranges.

The only thing you can compare is specific model v model, in which case the most logical comparison is commodore v falcon, which sells more again???

3 vs 3. Looks like a draw to me.

BTW, (lately) Holden have been pushing the VE wagon with extensive advertising and marketing, to the point that they are almost trying to convince people it’s not “just another Commodore”, but a different product.

What is the second “non-Falcon” based model Ford build in Australia Richo? I thought the Aussie assembled Focus is still a little while off…

If you look more realistically at model variants, Holden actually make more. So in reality, Holden should be selling more. IMHO (read MY opinion) Holden sell more than Ford not because of the “superiority” of the product, but more because Holden are brilliant marketers. All the power to them I say if people are gullible enough to fall for SOME of the spin they produce/portray. For example, there are still many people out there who think the Barina/Astra/Viva etc are Australian made. I have met some of them. Whilst Holden don’t go out and SAY they are Australian made, they don’t advertise the fact that they aren’t either. Good marketing I say for us “patriotic” Aussies! This is the opposite to Ford pushing the “German engineered” Focus/Mondeo which when going by sales figures, obviously hasn’t worked.
(PS, I am neither a Ford or Holden lover/hater. Each has it’s place.)

Judge a car based on it’s relative merits, not on what badge is on the grill, thats where i’m coming from!

Tai Chi, dim sims, panda bears and Holdong cars

Anyway, who honestly would be dumb and stupid enough to spend their hard earned money on a car from a company that probably won’t even exist by Christmas?

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