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		<title>By: CaptainReality</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/31902/gm-holden-future-secure-reuss/comment-page-2/#comment-138839</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptainReality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Abscess, if you&#039;re going to post retorts, at least make them witty or incisive. Yours is dull and pointless. Your little joke (I&#039;m being generous in calling it that) wouldn&#039;t even make a ten year old chortle. Utterly lame.

By the way, the word you were looking for in your 9-word post is &quot;you&#039;re&quot;, not &quot;your&quot;, you ill-educated buffoon. And what, pray-tell, is a &#039;Blo Arse&#039;? Is it the opposite of a &#039;Suck Arse&#039;? Or did its mindless undescriptive crudity appeal to you? You&#039;re clearly another example of our poor state educational system. When was the last time you read a book?

You and your ilk demonstrate that many of those who support GM and Holden, and the government largesse that support them, are barely literate, let alone able to construct a rational argument as to why Holden, an irrelevant un-innovative company that has lost money for years, should continue to be supported with productive Australians&#039; tax dollars.

I eagerly await the response of you or other economically illiterate, inarticulate, wilfully ignorant, jelly-brained bogans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Abscess, if you&#8217;re going to post retorts, at least make them witty or incisive. Yours is dull and pointless. Your little joke (I&#8217;m being generous in calling it that) wouldn&#8217;t even make a ten year old chortle. Utterly lame.</p>
<p>By the way, the word you were looking for in your 9-word post is &#8220;you&#8217;re&#8221;, not &#8220;your&#8221;, you ill-educated buffoon. And what, pray-tell, is a &#8216;Blo Arse&#8217;? Is it the opposite of a &#8216;Suck Arse&#8217;? Or did its mindless undescriptive crudity appeal to you? You&#8217;re clearly another example of our poor state educational system. When was the last time you read a book?</p>
<p>You and your ilk demonstrate that many of those who support GM and Holden, and the government largesse that support them, are barely literate, let alone able to construct a rational argument as to why Holden, an irrelevant un-innovative company that has lost money for years, should continue to be supported with productive Australians&#8217; tax dollars.</p>
<p>I eagerly await the response of you or other economically illiterate, inarticulate, wilfully ignorant, jelly-brained bogans.</p>
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		<title>By: Abscess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abscess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 08:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CaptainReality Says: 
June 21st, 2009 at 5:56 pm - Thank you very much. I believe it’s rather insightful, if I do say so.So you agree with me your a Blo Arse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CaptainReality Says:<br />
June 21st, 2009 at 5:56 pm &#8211; Thank you very much. I believe it’s rather insightful, if I do say so.So you agree with me your a Blo Arse.</p>
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		<title>By: CaptainReality</title>
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		<dc:creator>CaptainReality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 07:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much. I believe it&#039;s rather insightful, if I do say so.

Sometimes the truth hurts. You might be able to ignore it for a while, but it will eventually catch up with you, as GM have discovered.

Holden lost money during the largest car-buying spree in history. Any car company that lost money in 2007 (as Holden did) is DOOMED unless they change their strategy.

The mother-ship (GM) aren&#039;t going to be giving Holden one red cent now that they&#039;re (GM, that is) owned by the US tax-payer. Unless Holden starts making money, and soon, they&#039;ll run out of cash, and before you know it, no more Holden manufacturing.

GM and its subsidiaries are an object lesson in the meaning of the term &#039;economically unsustainable&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much. I believe it&#8217;s rather insightful, if I do say so.</p>
<p>Sometimes the truth hurts. You might be able to ignore it for a while, but it will eventually catch up with you, as GM have discovered.</p>
<p>Holden lost money during the largest car-buying spree in history. Any car company that lost money in 2007 (as Holden did) is DOOMED unless they change their strategy.</p>
<p>The mother-ship (GM) aren&#8217;t going to be giving Holden one red cent now that they&#8217;re (GM, that is) owned by the US tax-payer. Unless Holden starts making money, and soon, they&#8217;ll run out of cash, and before you know it, no more Holden manufacturing.</p>
<p>GM and its subsidiaries are an object lesson in the meaning of the term &#8216;economically unsustainable&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Abscess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abscess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 04:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Captain Blo Arse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Captain Blo Arse.</p>
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		<title>By: CaptainReality</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/31902/gm-holden-future-secure-reuss/comment-page-2/#comment-138589</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptainReality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 03:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manufacturing, manushmacturing. What a worthless industry! Within 20 years, people will be shocked to realise that computers and industrial robots have become so good that the vast majority of manufacturing employees simply aren&#039;t needed anymore. All you&#039;ll need are the guys who service the robots. Think what the combine harvester did to agricultural employment... well, that&#039;s what you&#039;re going to see happen to manufacturing within 20 years.

And as for &#039;Australian developed&#039; cars, what a waste of effort. Hey, lets spend billions developing a car for Australia, while the Japanese spend tens of billions, but sell their cars all over the world... NOT. Designing for small markets like Australia is a doomed practice, and won&#039;t ever happen again. Everyone knows about economies of scale; Toyota&#039;s doing so well because they put them into practice.

Here&#039;s what the future of Australian car manufacturing looks like; a few factories, packed with robots and very few people, churning out &#039;global car&#039; designs, with the only difference between the overseas models and our models being the badge. Right now, a Corolla is a Corolla is a Corolla, no matter where you go. This will end up happening to all car models except exotics.

It will be a good thing, too. Right now, Holden is group of bogans making dodgy cars for other bogans, sucking at the government teat. However, it will soon transform into an arm of GM making cars like Cruzes with industrial robots, and sticking Holden badges on them. Hell, they&#039;re almost there now... the Dunnydore is the last to go. They still might make a large car, but it will be a &#039;world car&#039;.

Even if Holden never actually made it to this stage, and failed anyway, I wouldn&#039;t care. I make products for export, but because I&#039;m not an overall wearing bogan with a goatee, and because I don&#039;t self-identify as a &#039;battler&#039;, and because I don&#039;t constantly try to hijack the term &#039;true Ozzie bloke&#039; every 5 minutes, the government doesn&#039;t see fit to subsidise my industry, so I have to make it on my own.

Australia has a large bogan population with a massive chip on their shoulders and enough self-entitlement to sink a supertanker. It&#039;s time to stop feeding these clowns government money. Frankly, the cost of guys to come and re-floor my house is too high, and a few more of these type on the labour market would do wonders for my house renovation budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manufacturing, manushmacturing. What a worthless industry! Within 20 years, people will be shocked to realise that computers and industrial robots have become so good that the vast majority of manufacturing employees simply aren&#8217;t needed anymore. All you&#8217;ll need are the guys who service the robots. Think what the combine harvester did to agricultural employment&#8230; well, that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re going to see happen to manufacturing within 20 years.</p>
<p>And as for &#8216;Australian developed&#8217; cars, what a waste of effort. Hey, lets spend billions developing a car for Australia, while the Japanese spend tens of billions, but sell their cars all over the world&#8230; NOT. Designing for small markets like Australia is a doomed practice, and won&#8217;t ever happen again. Everyone knows about economies of scale; Toyota&#8217;s doing so well because they put them into practice.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what the future of Australian car manufacturing looks like; a few factories, packed with robots and very few people, churning out &#8216;global car&#8217; designs, with the only difference between the overseas models and our models being the badge. Right now, a Corolla is a Corolla is a Corolla, no matter where you go. This will end up happening to all car models except exotics.</p>
<p>It will be a good thing, too. Right now, Holden is group of bogans making dodgy cars for other bogans, sucking at the government teat. However, it will soon transform into an arm of GM making cars like Cruzes with industrial robots, and sticking Holden badges on them. Hell, they&#8217;re almost there now&#8230; the Dunnydore is the last to go. They still might make a large car, but it will be a &#8216;world car&#8217;.</p>
<p>Even if Holden never actually made it to this stage, and failed anyway, I wouldn&#8217;t care. I make products for export, but because I&#8217;m not an overall wearing bogan with a goatee, and because I don&#8217;t self-identify as a &#8216;battler&#8217;, and because I don&#8217;t constantly try to hijack the term &#8216;true Ozzie bloke&#8217; every 5 minutes, the government doesn&#8217;t see fit to subsidise my industry, so I have to make it on my own.</p>
<p>Australia has a large bogan population with a massive chip on their shoulders and enough self-entitlement to sink a supertanker. It&#8217;s time to stop feeding these clowns government money. Frankly, the cost of guys to come and re-floor my house is too high, and a few more of these type on the labour market would do wonders for my house renovation budget.</p>
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		<title>By: The Realist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wheelnut do you really think the language at Bathurst is the same as that in general society? Should the general public expect to be called c##ts and p###ies?

And you call my internet posts “abuse” – I think you might need professional help on perspectives here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wheelnut do you really think the language at Bathurst is the same as that in general society? Should the general public expect to be called c##ts and p###ies?</p>
<p>And you call my internet posts “abuse” – I think you might need professional help on perspectives here.</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 10:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 3.0 litre Direct Injection Engine does exist its built by the Holden Engine Company at theeir new Facility at Port Melbourne. Cadillac use a similar DI Engine.

So given that all Australian Car Manufacturers are looking for ways to improve the fuel efficiency of their cars why wouldn&#039;t Holden offer a 3.0 litre DI V6 particularly as there are reports that they are looking at making the Commodore more &quot;compact&quot; in the future.

Besides I think Mark Reuss would have a better idea of what&#039;s going on at Holden than you would - but if you like I can confirm it with my mates who work at the factory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 3.0 litre Direct Injection Engine does exist its built by the Holden Engine Company at theeir new Facility at Port Melbourne. Cadillac use a similar DI Engine.</p>
<p>So given that all Australian Car Manufacturers are looking for ways to improve the fuel efficiency of their cars why wouldn&#8217;t Holden offer a 3.0 litre DI V6 particularly as there are reports that they are looking at making the Commodore more &#8220;compact&#8221; in the future.</p>
<p>Besides I think Mark Reuss would have a better idea of what&#8217;s going on at Holden than you would &#8211; but if you like I can confirm it with my mates who work at the factory</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 10:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wheelnut,
Thats a nice wish list, would be nice, but i wouldnt hold my breath for it especially the 3.0L direct injected motor you speak of</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wheelnut,<br />
Thats a nice wish list, would be nice, but i wouldnt hold my breath for it especially the 3.0L direct injected motor you speak of</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/31902/gm-holden-future-secure-reuss/comment-page-2/#comment-135911</link>
		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Confused; when people mention the anti spam word that they had to enter inorder for their comments to be posted.. they are hinting at the irony as sometimes the anti spam word relates to the topic at hand

If a topic is about Toyota for example and the anti spam word is Prius or Corolla or Celica etc.. even though the anti spam words are randomly selected; they are mentioning how ironic it is that the topic and anti spam word relate to eachother- It&#039;s just a bit of fun really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Confused; when people mention the anti spam word that they had to enter inorder for their comments to be posted.. they are hinting at the irony as sometimes the anti spam word relates to the topic at hand</p>
<p>If a topic is about Toyota for example and the anti spam word is Prius or Corolla or Celica etc.. even though the anti spam words are randomly selected; they are mentioning how ironic it is that the topic and anti spam word relate to eachother- It&#8217;s just a bit of fun really.</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/31902/gm-holden-future-secure-reuss/comment-page-2/#comment-135910</link>
		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In an interview with &quot;Drive&quot; Mark Reuss hinted that when the updated VE Commodore is released in September its likely to have a smaller lighter more advanced 3.0 Litre Direct Injection V6 [similar to the one used by Cadillac] along with a more refined 6 speed automatic which is expected to make the Commodore the most fuel efficient Locally built car - from the current 10.5 to 9.5L/100Km.
He also mentioned the possibility of a dedicated LPG VE and a Diesel version but wouldn&#039;t go into any specific details</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an interview with &#8220;Drive&#8221; Mark Reuss hinted that when the updated VE Commodore is released in September its likely to have a smaller lighter more advanced 3.0 Litre Direct Injection V6 [similar to the one used by Cadillac] along with a more refined 6 speed automatic which is expected to make the Commodore the most fuel efficient Locally built car &#8211; from the current 10.5 to 9.5L/100Km.<br />
He also mentioned the possibility of a dedicated LPG VE and a Diesel version but wouldn&#8217;t go into any specific details</p>
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		<title>By: Confused</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 12:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides, I think Holden is banking on Cruze to rescue them.
Bad dream. 
You will wake up to a nightmare. For the base model now they hope someone will pay almost 24000. And what they think are Mazda 3 or Lancer are doing? Gone to fishing?

Is anyone here who wants to pay 24000 to Daewoo 1.8 l car?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides, I think Holden is banking on Cruze to rescue them.<br />
Bad dream.<br />
You will wake up to a nightmare. For the base model now they hope someone will pay almost 24000. And what they think are Mazda 3 or Lancer are doing? Gone to fishing?</p>
<p>Is anyone here who wants to pay 24000 to Daewoo 1.8 l car?</p>
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		<title>By: Confused</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 12:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When people tell about &#039;he hu, anti spam word blah blah&#039; I can&#039;t understand a bit.

Do they think that there&#039;s someone sitting behind there manually choosing the anti spam word?

it&#039;s just a randomly generated word from a word bank and you could have any word, and i can&#039;t understand why that&#039;s funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When people tell about &#8216;he hu, anti spam word blah blah&#8217; I can&#8217;t understand a bit.</p>
<p>Do they think that there&#8217;s someone sitting behind there manually choosing the anti spam word?</p>
<p>it&#8217;s just a randomly generated word from a word bank and you could have any word, and i can&#8217;t understand why that&#8217;s funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile (.)(.)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile (.)(.)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 04:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote &quot; Bavarian…LOL…”not able to Qualifying”..same&quot;

What on earth are you going on about ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote &#8221; Bavarian…LOL…”not able to Qualifying”..same&#8221;</p>
<p>What on earth are you going on about ?</p>
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		<title>By: Elitist</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/31902/gm-holden-future-secure-reuss/comment-page-2/#comment-135807</link>
		<dc:creator>Elitist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 02:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bavarian...LOL...&quot;not able to Qualifying&quot;..same</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bavarian&#8230;LOL&#8230;&#8221;not able to Qualifying&#8221;..same</p>
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		<title>By: Toyo Boi</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/31902/gm-holden-future-secure-reuss/comment-page-2/#comment-135775</link>
		<dc:creator>Toyo Boi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah Sob ,Soon,Reality Bites,Jammed Fig off your medication again! You seem to be making perfect sence as always!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah Sob ,Soon,Reality Bites,Jammed Fig off your medication again! You seem to be making perfect sence as always!</p>
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		<title>By: reality bite</title>
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		<dc:creator>reality bite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SteveH,The Realist,please don&#039;t argue with these bogans.not worth it.what a shame that this site is rule by a group of bogans.Like two-year-olds, people(bogans) who throw temper tantrums believe they are entitled to get their own way. They therefore feel free to abuse anyone who thwarts their desires.i believe The best response to a tantrum is no response at all. Stay quiet and calm until the tantrum thrower calms down enough to have a civilized conversation.Childish adults are annoying, but don’t get upset about them. Just be glad that you are a mature person yourself.thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SteveH,The Realist,please don&#8217;t argue with these bogans.not worth it.what a shame that this site is rule by a group of bogans.Like two-year-olds, people(bogans) who throw temper tantrums believe they are entitled to get their own way. They therefore feel free to abuse anyone who thwarts their desires.i believe The best response to a tantrum is no response at all. Stay quiet and calm until the tantrum thrower calms down enough to have a civilized conversation.Childish adults are annoying, but don’t get upset about them. Just be glad that you are a mature person yourself.thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveH</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see the Realists point.  I have copped garbage from Harley riders when you rock up anywhere on a Japanese bike.  I imagine that it would have been the same back in the day at the motor races.  Even now up at Bathurst, staying up on the mountain can be a bit dodgy if you are driving a Japanese car but I believe it has got a lot better in recent years</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see the Realists point.  I have copped garbage from Harley riders when you rock up anywhere on a Japanese bike.  I imagine that it would have been the same back in the day at the motor races.  Even now up at Bathurst, staying up on the mountain can be a bit dodgy if you are driving a Japanese car but I believe it has got a lot better in recent years</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the obscene language - I&#039;m sorry but that arguement doen&#039;t really stand up anymore.. given that most people have accepted the fact that obscene language is everywhere these days not only at the motor races.
I mean most teenagers swear just as much as adults do.. mainly due to the music they listen to or the movies they watch 

Therefore; there is no way that you are going to be able to take your kids out somewehere.. without them hearing someone use a swear word of some kind

As for anyone who takes kids under the age of say 8 to the motor races or anywhere where there is going to be loud noise such as a concert is an idiot as thier ears aren&#039;t properly formed to deal with such extremely high frequencies etc -  AVESCO advises against it but if you have to bring such young kids they ask you to ensure they wear ear protection</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the obscene language &#8211; I&#8217;m sorry but that arguement doen&#8217;t really stand up anymore.. given that most people have accepted the fact that obscene language is everywhere these days not only at the motor races.<br />
I mean most teenagers swear just as much as adults do.. mainly due to the music they listen to or the movies they watch </p>
<p>Therefore; there is no way that you are going to be able to take your kids out somewehere.. without them hearing someone use a swear word of some kind</p>
<p>As for anyone who takes kids under the age of say 8 to the motor races or anywhere where there is going to be loud noise such as a concert is an idiot as thier ears aren&#8217;t properly formed to deal with such extremely high frequencies etc &#8211;  AVESCO advises against it but if you have to bring such young kids they ask you to ensure they wear ear protection</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Realist says : &quot;Why would anyone want their day ruined by yobbos hurling abuse....&quot;

I see your point. Yet that doesn&#039;t seem to stop you coming on this site though does it? given that there are so many people on here that you would consider yobbos or bogans etc.

Mind you they are only responding to the abuse levelled at them by people such as yourself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Realist says : &#8220;Why would anyone want their day ruined by yobbos hurling abuse&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>I see your point. Yet that doesn&#8217;t seem to stop you coming on this site though does it? given that there are so many people on here that you would consider yobbos or bogans etc.</p>
<p>Mind you they are only responding to the abuse levelled at them by people such as yourself</p>
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		<title>By: The Realist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wheelnut Says: 
June 5th, 2009 at 7:31 pm 
&quot;Eitherway given the fact that the Winfield Nissan GT-Rs were so dominant.. where the hell were you Ricer Boys? Because I can tell you [as I am a Flag marshall] there weren’t that many of you at the track.&quot;

Why would anyone want their day ruined by yobbos hurling abuse as you parked your non falcodore? Or yobbos literally spitting venom as the commies were disgraced? Do you want people to expose their kids to the obscene language used by some of these animals? I&#039;ve never been - but some good friends have, and their experiences weren&#039;t pleasant to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wheelnut Says:<br />
June 5th, 2009 at 7:31 pm<br />
&#8220;Eitherway given the fact that the Winfield Nissan GT-Rs were so dominant.. where the hell were you Ricer Boys? Because I can tell you [as I am a Flag marshall] there weren’t that many of you at the track.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why would anyone want their day ruined by yobbos hurling abuse as you parked your non falcodore? Or yobbos literally spitting venom as the commies were disgraced? Do you want people to expose their kids to the obscene language used by some of these animals? I&#8217;ve never been &#8211; but some good friends have, and their experiences weren&#8217;t pleasant to say the least.</p>
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