2009 Toyota Aurion Touring Special Edition
May 26, 2009 by George Skentzos
Toyota has released a new special-edition model into the Aurion range to celebrate the company’s 50th anniversary in Australia.
The Aurion Touring Special Edition carries the same price tag as the entry-level Aurion AT-X sedan yet offers more than $2700 worth of additional standard equipment.
Matching the specifications of the AT-X, the Touring Special Edition adds 17-inch alloys wheels with a full-size spare, rear spoiler, a Sportivo radiator grille, sports headlamps, sports rear combination lamps, “50th Anniversary” decals and sports pedals.
Toyota has also included front foglamps as well as front and rear sonar parking sensors as standard features on the Aurion Touring SE.
Inside, the new models gains a six-disc CD changer, dual-zone climate-control for the air-conditioning, leather-bound four-spoke steering wheel, leather gear lever knob and a multi-information display.
The usual list of standard safety features have been maintained, including six airbags, vehicle stability control, traction control, anti-skid brakes and an adaptive six-speed automatic sequential-style gearbox.
The Aurion Touring Special Edition is available now from Toyota with a retail price of $34,990.
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Tiesto,I think you will find its the Toyota fans trying to defend their faulty product here :)
We’re just trying to get them to face reality,the Falcon FG has been shown its the better choice from numerous road tests performed on the three local cars.However the Toyo lovers do the spin thing and try and tell us how much better the Aurions build quality is, pfffffffffffftttttttt .
Facts are they all have their faults and so just suck it up Toyo lovers, the Falcon is the winner . Stop standing behind your so called quality shield when it has holes in it :P
Mate, I told you earlier, all cars made in Australia are great cars! Full stop! You guys just don’t get it do you. What is the point by arguing Aussie built cars are crap!
Aurion Aussie built car exported to South East Asian and Middle East for Camry, Commodore Aussie built car exported to US for Pontiac which now has been scrapped. Enough said. They all are great cars.
Take FG as a winner which I would probably agree too. But mate, just leave all those Toyota fans alone and enjoy your own Falcodore run.
Just the same old Toyota bashers…why even look at a Toytota article anymore.
Eh179driver…
really now?
I work in the industry and part of my task is knowing “field issues” with vehicles, I have access to thousands of warranty claims and constant communication around Australia and globally with component/part failures… and I am very very surprise of your claims..
maybe you can give me the dealership and I can contact the technician directly… I might even escalate your complaints to upper management since so many many things went wrong your Aurion…. I’ve never heard so many things go wrong in a car all in 18 months…..
Specifically on a Toyota…. heck I’d be surprise if that many things go wrong on a 15 year old car….
Care to give me the warranty claim numbers??
Another Toyota Recall…
You have nothing… no ammo… nada.
Cars anywhere are built by human hands…. nothing is perfect.
Toyota’s the most restrict system when it comes to quality and engineers, industry insiders etc can attest to that.
But still mistakes happen as humans are factored into that system.
I know engineers who worked on the current Ford Falcon and their are issues, nothing is perfect.
The ONLY real thing that is CERTAIN…. is due to the RWD setup of Falcon/Commodore… they make sportier handling cars by default…. thats it…
Built quality… there is data available which show which companies have the least issues, the seriousness of those issues etc…. consumers only know what they read in magazines, brochures, and told by salesmen… and trust me salesmen are laughable, I mean I remember one time one was telling me “facts” about something I designed/worked on and the BS that came of his mouth was ridiculous it just confirmed what I had a feeling all along…
hahaha Lukaas why doubt him ? Go on to this site and see for yourself people really do have these same complaints Eh179driver has complained about.
http://au.toyotaownersclub.com.....trufflepig
Hey Tim , whats wrong with coming on a Toyota thread and saying there is better alternatives out their than this Aurion . It seems they’re the ones the cant accept that the Ford FG is a better car for the same money :)
The Alloytech is built in Australia Andrew M, and its Australian designed and exported . . .
Bavarian mate.. I have to say people won’t find better alternatives compare to this Aurion by reading these lousy and childish arguments.
Mature people will go out seek professional advice by reading books or test drive the cars so they can judge the cars better themselves. Ie. best large car of the year 2008 by RACV/NRMA/RACQ/etc. is Falcon, 2006 and 2007 is Aurion.
They don’t need your crappy comments about any cars that you don’t like. Its your personal opinions and should keep them to yourselves instead of upsetting other people.
Bavarian Missile (.)(.) Says:
May 27th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Hey Tim , whats wrong with coming on a Toyota thread and saying there is better alternatives out their than this Aurion . It seems they’re the ones the cant accept that the Ford FG is a better car for the same money :)
Man I can’t believe I wasted 15 mins of my lunch break reading these comments. How childish and immature is everyone on Holden vs Ford vs Toyota?
I have test driven the Toyota Sportivo and I agree there was nothing sporty about it but it was smooth drive and quieter unlike raspy noises from Commodore VE Omega(both sedan and sportswagon) or whiny noises from Ford Falcons(BA to FG).
If it was me to buy a car, it would be none of the 3 because 1) Fuel costs on large car is more than my old Magna(written off by a stupid Holden Crapadore driver)and 2)I have seen far too many Fords in a mitsubishi car yard and already there are 4 FG falcons in it one which is a Ford G6E. It was rather off putting that the resale values on those fords sucked big time 3)I would never get within a Holden VE as I have heard tales of woes of it especially from my cousin who owned one VE SS and it wasn’t reliable at all. He traded it in for a Golf GTI(Yes a Golf GTI).
That’s my 2 cents! I am more inclined into 4cyl cars now. If the 380 were still running, I would have bought it over the Fords, Toyotas and Holdens but a pity it isn’t :S
Bavarian…
The issue of “faulty” transmission is treated as an isolated case as their isnt enough “re-occurences” to say it is a design, quality, supplier issue.
To put it bluntly… unlucky owner.
sadly, they occur for all manufacturers. I can give example of a high-volume luxury european car and these cases also occurs.
usually, for a transmission problem, various things can be factors.
- A material defect, the supplier’s material batch to make the part (gear, shaft etc) was not 100% within spec requirements, hence when cold or hot conditions, the “imperfection” of the material allows thermal expansion which causes un-warranted “tightness” in the movement of the gears or shaft etc.
Usually, parts, ALL vehicle parts must have materials that passes certain tests, sometimes due to the high volume of the parts production, material quality suffers… this is supplier’s job to ensure they do not use faulty material, however mistakes and hindsight still happens.
Its a common case.
bavarian, elh79driver also commented on leakage, NVH (noise vibration and harshness) all occuring on his Aurion.
What is the chances of all these major issues occuring in 1 vehicle..
Pardon me if I ask the question…. did the assembly team at Toyota for a prank decided to ring each other and decide to put all the faulty-rejected parts into that vehicle? because the vehicle will have its Line off date which can trace back to who was working the shift on the line and it also traces back to the supplier’s part…. everything is tracked… everything.
Good call Dave, these people need to open their eyes wide open to see world.
380 – another great Aussie built car but pity they had to go.
I owned various cars till now but never looked down on any car manufacturers. Especially when they have their car manufactured down under.
Tiesto seems for someone that first came on this bolg neutral you soon showed what camp your defending.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions does it have to agree with yours ?
Quote ” Ie. best large car of the year 2008 by RACV/NRMA/RACQ/etc. is Falcon, 2006 and 2007 is Aurion.
Yeah well whats your point,hasnt it been said that currently the best alternative is the Falcon!
FYI Bavarian is a chick not a bloke so wouldnt call her “mate” if I was you, she can be a little temperamental lol.
Thanks for the well written and backed up argument Lukaas
Andrew,
The alloytec is a GM motor which was first used in a Cadillac.
They make it here in OZ aswell as North America.
Its not an Australian designed Motor, but I do realise they do have an assembly line here for it.
The I6 is the only truely Aussie motor
Quote Lukaas ” Bavarian…
The issue of “faulty” transmission is treated as an isolated case as their isnt enough “re-occurences” to say it is a design, quality, supplier issue.
To put it bluntly… unlucky owner.”
You mean “owners” Lukaas……. more people should jump up and down at their dealers when it comes to warranty issues instead of just walking away from the car . I know from experience that going to the top not talking to CGAF in customer service gets you answers real fast!
I come from a workshop background so I know some of the bullcrap service managers can feed you when it comes to them justifying your problems,especially being female!Playing the ditsy blonde for a while is always hilarious till I ask them a technical question? They know better now than to try pulling the wool over my female eyes ;)
I loved the excuse one Ford dealer use to give you when it came to the backlash in the early BA GTs “oh that normal with a high performance car ” what a load of crap!
Lukaas it comes down to how fussy you are as driver,most new cars I can pick problems and faults in and there is no reason that elh79driver couldnt be one of those drivers too.
Lukaas if I was to tell you that Ive experienced more problems than eh79driver has in a Ford would you believe me ? Lets hope you dont come back and say “well it is a Ford ” hahaha……………..Im sure you wont ;)
dCOTY 2006: Best Large Car winner, Toyota Aurion
drive.com.au, November 29, 2006
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It’s not often Ford and Holden are outclassed in the segment they dominate, but Toyota Aurion large car sets new benchmarks in performance, refinement, value and safety.
Toyota Aurion
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dCOTY 2006: Best Large Car
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dCOTY 2006: Best Large Car
The Testing
All judges were familiar with each of the cars in this class, but this was the first time we’d had all four together. The Aurion we tested was a base model. The other nominees were a slightly higher grade than standard (Holden Berlina, Mitsubishi 380 SX) or equipped with non-standard features.
The Ford Falcon wore an XT badge but it was equipped with a six-speed automatic gearbox, 17-inch wheels and tyres, bigger brakes and electronic stability control. The safety pack is a $250 option until December 31, 2006, but has a recommended retail price of $2350.
Oddly enough, despite being the most affordable model in the range, Toyota’s Aurion had more standard features and safety equipment than its rivals.
After climbing into and out of all cars on the first day we quickly dispelled the myth that the Aurion is a medium car. If Toyota’s new V6 sedan is medium fare then so is the Ford Falcon and Mitsubishi 380, because all have similar cabin and boot space. Overall, Holden won the space race. It’s so big inside it almost echoes.
Sadly, though, the metallic blue Berlina had the odd issue with fit and finish inside, consistent with the numerous quality gripes and technical glitches that have beset the majority of Commodores tested by Drive since it went on sale. In this instance, some interior trim fell by the wayside. It’s not the sort of thing to leave you stranded, but nor does it inspire you with confidence in Holden’s billion-dollar investment.
On the handling course the judges came away surprised and impressed by the sure-footed feeling of the Falcon and the Mitsubishi 380 – and disappointed by just how much the Commodore’s extra weight affected it in tight turns. The Commodore has received a lot of praise for its handling – on long, sweeping bends. In the tight stuff, though, the Holden suffers because of its weight.
The Aurion was the least impressive dynamically but it didn’t disgrace itself. As is the Toyota way, the electronic aids cut in early when the car senses the driver may have lost control or is taking evasive action. Enthusiasts won’t like it but safety-conscious mums and dads may.
On the open road, the Falcon and 380 impressed once again and the Commodore was shown to be noisier and less refined than we’d recalled.
Have your say on our Drive blog: dCOTY Best Large Car: Aurion, but it’s not the best drive
Again, we could feel it throwing its weight around. The Aurion didn’t do anything exceptionally well but was a more comfortable car to be in on rutted roads and was quiet on most surfaces.
The Winner
You’re probably tired of reading about how there was robust discussion among the judges prior to casting their votes, but there was certainly an energetic exchange of views when it came to large cars.
The Aurion is far from the most rewarding to drive, and safety omissions scratched the Falcon and 380 on the home straight. Neither is available with curtain-airbags. (Electronic stability control is not available at any price on the Mitsubishi, it’s an option on the Ford and standard on the Commodore
and Aurion.)
As this is not a performance car test, the Aurion was still a contender at this point but the Falcon and 380 were effectively sidelined. If the Falcon was available with curtain airbags, it would have been a tougher choice as it had the most sophisticated stability control among its peers. The judges didn’t want to dismiss the 380 either, as it was so agile to drive. But the Mitsubishi was cast aside for the same reasons as the Falcon: it doesn’t have the complete level of safety armoury as the Toyota or Holden.
That left judges to decide between quite an odd couple: Holden or Toyota. In Holden’s view, the Aurion shouldn’t even be here because it shares its core body structure with a Camry. Sure, the Commodore is bigger than the Aurion, but the Toyota has similar cabin and boot space as the Ford and Mitsubishi.
Dynamically, the Holden has the edge over the Toyota but the judges agreed the Commodore’s handling wasn’t perfect either – and the Holden’s engine and transmission were the least impressive among its peers.
Holden fans may cry foul but the Toyota Aurion won for several reasons, not just one. It’s not the most rewarding car to drive but it is safe, comfortable and fuss-free. The Aurion has more power than any other car in this group and yet is the most fuel efficient. Its smoother and more refined engine is not particularly strong in the lower rev range, but the six-speed transmission helps mask this deficiency.
So, the Aurion has more standard features and safety equipment than its main rivals – and it’s cheaper. In the end, the Aurion scored seven votes, the Holden two. Enough said.
DCOTY 2007: Best Large Car – The verdict
Joshua Dowling, drive.com.au, November 29, 2007
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Locally-produced competitors have tried to inject more value into their large cars, but it’s not enough to stop the Toyota Aurion winning its class for Drive Car of the Year for 2007.
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DCOTY 2007: Holden Commodore Berlina
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The Holden Commodore may be Australia’s favourite car but it has some strong competition in the large-car market.
These four locally-made sedans are popular with fleets but they’ve found their appeal waning as fleet operators downsize their vehicles and have a stronger focus on fuel economy.
Increasingly, companies and government departments are also giving staff the choice of what vehicle they drive provided it fits within a budget – and not everybody is choosing the traditional Aussie sedan.
Given that locally-made cars are under pressure from a record number of imports, all four are well priced and well equipped in an attempt to increase their appeal.
The Holden Commodore hasn’t received much attention in the past year because it is still enjoying that new-car glow. The all-new model went on sale in August 2006. Only the Toyota Aurion V6 is younger, arriving in showrooms in October 2006, and it too has changed little in that time.
The Mitsubishi 380 sedan, however, has had two updates since it was released in October 2005, the most recent in July 2007. Along with some minor visual changes the 380 gained traction control (which limits wheelspin), but the more advanced stability control (which can prevent a skid in a corner) and curtain airbags are still not available.
The Ford Falcon is nearing the end of its current lifecycle, although Ford has introduced technical changes at various intervals since the current shape was introduced in September 2002.
A six-speed automatic transmission and stability control became an option on the most affordable model about 18 months ago. Earlier this year, however, Ford introduced stability control on the four-speed auto version of the Falcon sedans as standard equipment. This may seem incidental but the costs to engineer this technology so late in the Falcon’s life are quite significant. When we asked Ford why it didn’t wait until the new model arrived, the company told us that stability control was becoming a must-have with government fleets and it couldn’t afford to not have the technology.
Toyota Aurion AT-X
Unfortunately, curtain airbags aren’t likely to be on the Falcon until the updated model arrives in the first half of next year.
We were keen to test the most basic Ford Falcon with four-speed automatic transmission and stability control which comes with 16-inch wheels and tyres. Instead, Ford elected to put its best foot forward and gave us a Futura with the optional six-speed auto, 17-inch wheels and tyres and bigger brakes.
On the one hand it proved to be a clever move, because all the judges were impressed by how well the Falcon drove for such an old car. The engine was relatively refined, the steering and handing felt secure and the brakes were strong. But the options pushed the Falcon’s price to more than $41,000.
Holden supplied a Berlina (rather than the base-model Omega), which gave us a chance to see that the company has replaced the faux woodgrain trim with some silver cabin highlights. Other than that, little has changed. The Commodore is still a roomy, capable car – but still has some quality bugs to iron out (the cruise control on both the Holden and the Ford sedans malfunctioned during our testing). Despite costing close to $40,000 the Berlina still doesn’t get curtain airbags as standard and its V6 engine is thirsty and slow.
The Mitsubishi 380 impressed the judges with its agile dynamics (if it had the Toyota Aurion’s price and equipment it could well have won this class), but it was let down by a lack of available safety equipment. Four airbags, traction control and anti-lock brakes are standard – but other cars in this class offer either more airbags and/or stability control.
So, on the safety front, only two of the four locally made sedans are available with curtain airbags, three are available with stability control – and only one comes standard with the lot even on the most affordable model.
And that’s part of the reason the Toyota Aurion is one of only three cars to win its class for the second year in a row.
The Aurion isn’t perfect – when pushed in the slalom it got a bit tongue-tied and reached its limits earlier than the other large sedans did – but in most other regards it has the game licked.
Its performance is quite astounding by class standards. The Aurion reached 100kmh from rest in 6.9 seconds, according to our satellite-assisted timing system. (Ford Falcon 7.3, Mitsubishi 7.8, and Commodore a sluggish 8.3). Who’d have thought a Toyota would outpace Australia’s two top-selling six-cylinder sedans?
The Aurion is well priced, has the most standard equipment (including a fully power adjustable driver’s seat), a full complement of safety features (front, side and curtain airbags as well as stability control), and it also happens to have the briskest and most powerful six-cylinder engine among its peers. Despite this, it is also the most fuel efficient in its class. It was an easy winner.
IT WAS AN EASY WINNER?2 YEARS STRAIGHT WINNER?i love it.
bleeding hearts you bogans?hard to swallow?dinosaurs would be long gone before you knew it.can’t accept the facts?jealousy…..of course.
Well that’s the point my friend. If you’re a Ford anthusiast – please do me a favour, go back to your own Ford article and say something good about your Ford a million times and guess what, you’ll soon get praise from all of those Falcon’s fans.
Now you’re Toyota article with your arrogant nickname Another Toyota Recall?
What would you feel if someone in your Ford article with a nickname called Another Bloody Ford Recall? Its a bit un-Australian, don’t you think?
I agree Falcon is current best large car in the market but it doesn’t mean Aurions are crap cars. In fact they are 2nd best car according to the research.
And for your information mate, I won’t defend any camps in here. Fair dinkum mate, this is Australia!
Another Toyota Recall Says:
May 27th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Tiesto seems for someone that first came on this bolg neutral you soon showed what camp your defending.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions does it have to agree with yours ?
Quote ” Ie. best large car of the year 2008 by RACV/NRMA/RACQ/etc. is Falcon, 2006 and 2007 is Aurion.
Yeah well whats your point,hasnt it been said that currently the best alternative is the Falcon!
FYI Bavarian is a chick not a bloke so wouldnt call her “mate” if I was you, she can be a little temperamental lol.
Whens this dude going to stop with the cut and pasting and learn to speak English .Sooner you get banned the better. I like Toyota’s and still think your an idiot!
I’m with stupid —> SOON, TO BE GONE.THATS A STATEMENT NOT A QUESTION. Says:
May 27th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Whens this dude going to stop with the cut and pasting and learn to speak English .Sooner you get banned the better. I like Toyota’s and still think your an idiot!
Tiesto,are you new to this site ? Obviously you dont watch the Toyota people come on over to the Holden and Ford blogs and bag the crap out of them .Its Australia ,rivalry happens in mosts sports here and can get pretty vocal why would you think choices in cars that people can be passionate about be any different.
Stop trying to be the mediator here cause its not working!
Ive been on this site for 2 years and its been going all that time .
I agree your point Bavarian lady – rivalry happens everywhere. But the reason why I got sick reading all these bullcrap comments is that I love all cars! I love Aurion, I love Falcon, I love Commodore and even 380! They are all great Aussie big 6’s! But come all these crappy and harsh comments about Aurion, emotional based, try to avoid facts (survey and research). If you’re all think you’re good commentator about cars, you should go and write your own article.
Toyota fans, you should do the same in Ford/Holden’s article. Nothing is perfect matey. Toyota, Ford, Holden have their own time as the winner. Its just the matter of time. It could be Thai built Accord for the winner 2009 – you’ll never know! – but hope not.
And (Soon), fyi. not only bogans are driving Ford/Holden, yanks are driving them too in States as Pontiac muscle car. And guess what, some bogans are also drive Aurion my friend!
Oh well if the nature of this site is about rivalry/anger then so be it, I’ll be out from here in no time. Take care boys and girl!
Tiesto Says:
May 27th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Bavarian mate.. I have to say people won’t find better alternatives compare to this Aurion by reading these lousy and childish arguments.
Mature people will go out seek professional advice by reading books or test drive the cars so they can judge the cars better themselves. Ie. best large car of the year 2008 by RACV/NRMA/RACQ/etc. is Falcon, 2006 and 2007 is Aurion.
They don’t need your crappy comments about any cars that you don’t like. Its your personal opinions and should keep them to yourselves instead of upsetting other people.
Tiesto: Do you honestly believe that a professional Toyota car salesman is going to tell a potential customer the honest truth about the cars sitting in the showroom..that is do you think that they are going to say exactly what they themselves think about the car… something like:
“If you want my [professional/expert] advice; if I was you I wouldn’t buy the Aurion.. I mean look at it.. it looks like it was designed in the early 1990s.. its an absolute heap of sh!t.
It’s FWD which is crap.. its too heavy and the engine is underpowered [given that its supposedly derived/inspired by F1].
The fit and finish is worse than Daewoos; the headlights are from Honda the Tail lights from Hyundai
The Model T Ford had more features.. as for head and leg room there isn’t any..
No of course not they are going to say what they are paid to say not only by their boss but Toytas marketing department [you know the ones who do all the surveys that you like to pass off as Fact]
You may think that the Journos from Motor and Wheels can be just as biased However; they’re not being Paid by Toyota Holden or Ford – their income doesn’t depend on how many cars Toyota Holden or Ford sell.
Their income relies more on how many Magazines are sold – which have always been in the hundreds of thousands because there will always be 1000s of people will buy the magazines no matter what articles are in the magazine let alone what car happens to be on the front cover
Which means even though you mightn’t like the results of the road tests or even whats written in Wheels or Motor is likely to be more impartial than a Car salesman
No offence car salesman – it’s just that there are a number of Salesmen out there who sometimes tell their customers word for word what it says in the brochure.
By The Way Fiesto: this website is called CarAdvice key word being Advice – which in itself means the articles help depict/describe either Allborzs; Matt Brogans or Paul Marics or Karl Pesketts opinion of the car often with a summarising sentence in which they give their opinion
It also allows other people to give their opinion as to what they think about the car – provided that they adhere to the code of conduct which means that they stay on topic and aren’t insuting or offensive
What i am saying is that the site is full of people giving their advice etc… you don’t have to take it or agree with it but you have absolutely no right to denograte or insult others just because their opinion is different to yours…. Get over yourself
Doughnut – I have now, take care my friend.
Wheelnut Says:
May 27th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Get over yourself
I reckon with skinny wheels added the driving dynamics would improve greatly. This model was never seriously floored (ha Ha) it’s just the folk that buy them.
Oooh where is TP, we all miss him so much.
I think that we all know that as soon as there is an article about Toyota, Holden or Ford and to a lesser extent Lexus, there will be a million posts from people giving their views on the car in question. It just seems, from my viewpoint, that there are a lot more Toyota haters on this website. Each side is guilty of rubishing the oppositions make but there seems to be a lot more hate aimed at the Toyota guys. (Mind you some of the 3,000 word cut and pasted essays in this articles responses are a bit trying)
If we could all stop the ‘this car is rubbish but I have never been or driven one responses from each Ford, Holden or Toyota responses, we would all be able to get a lot more ADVICE from people who actually have some personal experience of these cars.
Wheelnut, a salesmans job is to sell an item. I don’t know how many items they would sell if they rubbished the car based on your opinion. Underpowered? Its got more power than the other locally built sixes. Poorly equipped? Compared to what? A significantly more expensive Calais or G6E? I think you are the one who appear to need to get over themself.
SteveH – my comment about the salesman saying that the Aurion is underpowered or poorly equipped was merely a hypothetical worst case scenario as to what could happen if a car salesman actually told their customers what they think about the car – that is gave their opinion.. just as most of us do on this website.
I mean most people who have been to a motorshow actually know more about what the car can do and its features etc then the people who are their to promote the car.
Because unlike the Car Enthusiasts who go tho these shows and read about cars from various sources etc there are a number of sales people who don’t know anything about the product [or even their oppositions products] other than what it says in the Brochure / Media Release..
That was my point
SteveH says “It just seems, from my viewpoint, that there are a lot more Toyota haters on this website. Each side is guilty of rubishing the oppositions make but there seems to be a lot more hate aimed at the Toyota guys.”
You sure,I think you need to take those rose coloured glasses off mate and read the dribble and insults that come from your tribe!
Any GM,Holden or Ford thread seems to be over run with these clowns.I think the arguments on this blog are no where as insulting from the opposing sides .
quote “Argus Says:
February 16th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
The Crapodore won’t survive as not even the yanks want such a crapbox. Pontiac have sold how many of these outdated, overrated heaps of sh*t
EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!
Your day is nearing Holden, down you go with the rest of the sinking ship.
quote ” Dan Says:
February 16th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Lol! Holden is indeed a Daewoo importer. Regardless, better have a Dunnydoor and Daewoo models in its lineup, than only the Dunnydoor on its own. Either way, it’s bad news for Holden. Curious how it will affect HSV, given all their LS engines are developed by GM. They might have to go back to their prehistoric 180 kw 5 litre dinosaur lol! Hopefully they won’t lay off staff and continue going. Maybe without the yank tank and Daewoo influence their quality will actually improve later on, so could be a blessing in disguise… either way, there’s enough loyal Holden fans out there to sustain Dunnydoor sales for now.
quote ” D1ngo Says:
February 16th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
RoFlmaTic – go ahead, it ain’t my car … CLOWN !!
Saleslady – who is the weakest, obvious … GM !!
Ooooow … theres that warm and fuzzy feeling again
Go ahead Alborz, delete your heartout. I couldn’t careless because at the end of the day we all know General Motors is a complete f*ck up
It seems Loose Wheelnut is not in the mood with his stupid pro Holden propaganda all of a sudden. Gee … i wonder why.
Maybe because Holden is aboout to go the wall with GM … Oooooch !!
HA, HA, H””
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Yeah they are all warm loving comments coming from Toyota fans SteveH . Thing is 2 off those idiots have been banned now from this site,so you still think us Holden and Ford fans are the main culprits ? Oh yeah TP, where did he go, another extremist.
Anyway its not always the salesman who actually sells the car.. In a number of cases you will find [like most things] people bought the car they did because of :
- its reputation or the reputation of the company or
- reviews etc from friends family relatives and others who either own a similar current model or have owned previous models.
Because most sensible/logical people have read various articles etc know what type of car they want [hatch sedan coupe ute cross over etc] not to mention what features they want and have a short list of a couple of contenders before they even venture into the showroom..
The salesman merely helps provide the all important test-drive and answer any questions the customer might have.
A really good product doesn’t need salesmen or marketing – after a while a really good product sells itself.
Wheelnut, my point was that you were saying through the hypothetical car salesman that the Aurion is a piece of outdated rubbish. The Aurion is not best in class, that is easily the FG Falcon, but its not that bad a car.
I agree Wheelnut about the salesman not actually selling the car. I have never walked into a dealership unsure about a car and then had a salesman sway my opinion. I will do my research, narrow it down to cars that suit me and then go drive them and make my own mind up. I also agree that the majority of salesman have no idea about the cars they are selling, but I have met a couple.
Toyota Recall, I said the insults flow both ways, they just seem to come from more people in the Toyota bashing column. I could have a go at cutting and pasting, but no matter what I or anyone else does, its not going to change anyones opinion on any of the car marques. Maybe you could have also cut and pasted the remarks that sparked off some of the comments above.
Maybe I should have cut and paste those above SteveH but those above are still posting on this site 2 of the others on the GM blog are now deceased on this site from “extreme insults” Doesnt that tell you who are the extremists ?
Im going to back to Fiesto’s earlier statement and I think Wheelnut has lost the plot.
Did Tiesto or Fiesto mention anything about car salesman? What he suggests was to seek professional advice ie. reading books or test drive. Where the hell was Toyota car salesmen came from?
Toyota Recall – go back to America dude that’s where Ford’s belong!
Wheelnut Says:
May 27th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Tiesto: Do you honestly believe that a professional Toyota car salesman is going to tell a potential customer the honest truth about the cars sitting in the showroom..that is do you think that they are going to say exactly what they themselves think about the car… something like:
Tiesto Says:
May 27th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Mature people will go out seek professional advice by reading books or test drive the cars so they can judge the cars better themselves. Ie. best large car of the year 2008 by RACV/NRMA/RACQ/etc. is Falcon, 2006 and 2007 is Aurion.
BM SAID:
“Hey Tim , whats wrong with coming on a Toyota thread and saying there is better alternatives out their than this Aurion . It seems they’re the ones the cant accept that the Ford FG is a better car for the same money :)”
I’ll use your excuse…people can have different opinions! You think FG Falcon is better, some people think the VE is better, some people think the Aurion is better. Whats the problem with people having different opinions to YOU?
In some ways, the Aurion is better than the Falcon and others the FG is better. Get over it, you are kinda no one to tell everyone that the FG is a better car.
And you once again, you were one of the first ones to start bagging Toyota AGAIN…its because of you this post has reached 50+ comments. Its incredible how you have not been banned yet….must be the cheeky emails you send to the editors/writers of CA :P
STEVE H WROTE:
“I have never walked into a dealership unsure about a car and then had a salesman sway my opinion. I will do my research, narrow it down to cars that suit me and then go drive them and make my own mind up. I also agree that the majority of salesman have no idea about the cars they are selling, but I have met a couple.”
Totally agree mate! I dont understand how some of these ’salesmen’ get their jobs! Most of them just remember the equipment list (if at all) and thats it. An example I had a few months ago. Came into a Subaru dealership and asked if they had a used 6 cylinder Liberty on sale.
The sellers response: “Uhhh mate, Subaru doesn’t make cars with 6 cylinders in them:
Me: “Yes they do, its in the Outback and Liberty along with Tribeca. Don’t you know your own product?”
Seller: “Mate, I know what im talking about”
Me: Look at him and ask for the manager. The manager was mighty embarassed about his staff.
I really dont know the point of this post lol, but to conclude – when buying a car, never listen to the salesmen lol. Most of the time they have no idea what they are on about.
Wow! What a great debate…
What I can tell is Holden and Ford are a lot behind in car industry. Forget about who is the best. Jap car manufacturers now in war creating environmental friendly cars – Mitsu with electric car MieV, Honda with hybrid Insight, Toyota with their proud Prius and plan to build Hybrid Camry in Australia! YEAHHHH AUSTRALIA MATE!!! Something that we should be proud of.
Ford and Holden?? Keep producing V8 cars with those CO2 polluting our air. Now they’re introducing Calais with Active Fuel Management system – shut V6 into V4 when idle or run slow – but guess what… Honda Accord has done it first last year.
Australia, a country that desperate to catch up with their green environment but also a country that keep producing air polluting cars.
Australia Post, a well respected company in Australia has ‘green scheme’ that dumped Ford as their fleet cars and signed up with Toyota last year with 3 line up: Prius, Corolla and Camry. Yes – its Camry – first 4cyl car build in Australia!
AUSTRALIA POST ADOPTS HYBRID TECHNOLOGY FOR CAR FLEET
Australia Post is planning to reduce its fuel bill and carbon emissions by switching its corporate car fleet to fuel-efficient Toyota vehicles, especially the hybrid Prius. One of Australia’s largest employers, Australia Post has close to 1,000 sedans, wagons and utes in its corporate fleet. It has signed a two-year contract to purchase vehicles from the Toyota range including Prius, Yaris, Corolla and Camry – all of which use less fuel and produce fewer emissions. Prius is rated at the top of the Federal Government’s Green Vehicle Guide with five stars. All Yaris models have four-star ratings, Corolla 3.5 or 4.5 stars and Camry 3.5 or 4 stars. In addition to the fleet deal, Australia Post managing director Graeme John has chosen a Prius for his personal car.
Ford and Holden have to learn on how to produce environment friendly cars! Right now for our children!
“Andrew M Says:
May 27th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
MD-88
Now, how many FG’s have you driven???”
XT, G6, G6E, G6E Turbo, XR6 Turbo Ute and XR8 Sedan.
Bar the XR8 they were all exceptional cars to drive, they felt lightyears ahead of the current VE Commodore offerings. The only generic complaint I had with the FG was the 6sp Auto equipped vehicles seemed to have more driveline noise.
XR8 – way too heavy in the front end, awful to drive. And this is disappointing because I love big V8’s.
And to tell you the truth mate, the reason I didn’t read through to see just who had actually driven the car was because I got through a handful of rubbish posts and simply couldn’t be bothered reading any more.
Greens,(or whoever else you want to be today)
Too many innacuracies in your rant to even be considered worthy of a detailed reply.
What a worthless post that was – I hope you didn’t kill off too many brains cells writting it, ’cause it’s obvious that you don’t have any to spare.
No doubt in general Toyota make bland cars, especially to most ppl here because well we’re generally driving enthusiasts. But really, there are more ppl out there who just want a decent/safe car to get from A to B, doesn’t cost much to run and service and is easy to live with. They don’t give a damn too much about handling, how exciting it is and so forth.
This is where Toyota comes in. They don’t make cars that will make you drop your pants but they do make a good product. Despite the drop in sales, they’re still number 1 here and keep alot of aussies employed.
I’ve been in one of these and while it’s not my cup of cake I found it quite comfortable and quiet overall. It certainly not boring like a Camry, though it won’t win awards for fun either. I can understand why people would buy this car. It’s not the load of crap for sure.
As for Drive.com comparisons, I find that they rather err towards cars that are abit safer and more friendly to own (not that there’s anything wrong that). Just like how they rated RX best overall Luxury SUV and TTS over M3?
Well put Nobody.
In which aspect of my comment was inaccurate?
DesignEngr Says:
May 28th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Too many innacuracies in your rant to even be considered worthy of a detailed reply.
What a worthless post that was – I hope you didn’t kill off too many brains cells writting it, ’cause it’s obvious that you don’t have any to spare.
DesignEngr – I may have killed too many of my brain cells writing this but obviously you don’t have brains at all.
Greens/Ding0
don’t be fool!
Who do you think designs the technology that helps with your mental defficiencies?
Tiesto said that people shoud go iut and seek professional advice.. and as I doubt that very few of us know or are friends with a recognised motoring journalist – the next best place is the local car dealership which is where you will find car salesman,,
As I have said and as Tim has shown [with his comment about his experience at a Subaru dealer] there are a number of car salesman who don’t know the features specifications or performance etc of their product; or their rivals as well as most car enthusiasts.. they only know what the company tells them..
I mean very few car salesmen [except for the dealer principal] own a car similar to the ones they sell
Which is why I said that your not going to get what you would call accurate or impartial advice from your average car salesman – your best off talking to those who have driven them for longer than a week or have actually owned one.. as they don’t get paid to say good things about them
Does it mean you’re brainless with mental defficiencies and driving a fridge on wheels? LOL
DesignEngr
The Greens got point there stupid! – you go f yourself and eat your own sh!t. Someone people with real defficiencies won’t respect you with your idiotic comment!!!
The Greens said: Ford and Holden?? Keep producing V8 cars with those CO2 polluting our air. Now they’re introducing Calais with Active Fuel Management system – shut V6 into V4 when idle or run slow – but guess what… Honda Accord has done it FIRST last year.
Aah I think you will find that Chrysler actually had a similar system to Holdens AFM a couple of years ago – before the Honda Accord it was known as Displacement on Demand and it featured on the Magnum/300C.. so the Japanese weren’t the FIRST to introduce such fuel saving technology
Wheelnut Says: “so the Japanese weren’t the FIRST to introduce such fuel saving technology”
Obviously, a race issue for you wheelnut!!
Not really sure Active Fuel Management and similar systems really do save much fuel. The Accords drink almost the same amount of fuel as the Mondeo and Mazda 6. The difference hardly makes much of a significant issue. No need to say more about the Holdens.
Start stop engines do seem abit more effective in fuel management.