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Toyota has released a new special-edition model into the Aurion range to celebrate the company’s 50th anniversary in Australia.

The Aurion Touring Special Edition carries the same price tag as the entry-level Aurion AT-X sedan yet offers more than $2700 worth of additional standard equipment.

Matching the specifications of the AT-X, the Touring Special Edition adds 17-inch alloys wheels with a full-size spare, rear spoiler, a Sportivo radiator grille, sports headlamps, sports rear combination lamps, “50th Anniversary” decals and sports pedals.

Toyota has also included front foglamps as well as front and rear sonar parking sensors as standard features on the Aurion Touring SE.

Inside, the new models gains a six-disc CD changer, dual-zone climate-control for the air-conditioning, leather-bound four-spoke steering wheel, leather gear lever knob and a multi-information display.

The usual list of standard safety features have been maintained, including six airbags, vehicle stability control, traction control, anti-skid brakes and an adaptive six-speed automatic sequential-style gearbox.

The Aurion Touring Special Edition is available now from Toyota with a retail price of $34,990.




  • HAL

    Ok, somehting positive to say, come on, you can do it. Ok, here it is – not a bad equipment list for $35K I guess – but who am I kidding, it’s still a very ho-hum looking car. And the white just takes the boredom factor to another level.

    Maybe it’s just me, but a 50th Anniversary is a pretty big deal – hopefully this isn’t the only thing Toyota are doing to celebrate such a milestone. Maybe some new desirable, sleekly designed performance models? Ah, I won’t hold my breath I guess.

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Are their still people out their buying six’s? If you are going to celebrate 50 years dress up a car that is selling. Or is that the point, too many Aurions in the holding yard?

  • AussieCars

    I actually dont think the Aurion is a bad looking car, alot better than the camry….I think its one of the better looking mid sized cars out there…oh wait hang on..Toyota call it a large car?

  • AussieCars

    @salesman
    I am! I save the 4cyl cars for my partner, real men drive 6`s and 8`s =P

  • Daniel. W

    lol Aussie, thats just a TAD small minded…..

    Aurion……perfect granny mobile……
    snoozefest though!

  • topdog

    This is just like the commondore not so long ago thay were selling 60th annaversary with a heap of extras.Thay looked shocking you would think thay could come up with some special colours and nice wheels to try a make it stand out

  • Mantle

    Aussie cars this is a Camry !!! Aurion……the NAME has changed !!!!!! What a dog ugly car………boring and bland and very Toyota.

  • Andrew M

    Im with Aussie,
    Im still buying 6′s, Bought one about 6 months ago.
    Why wouldnt you??? The fuel savings in a 4cyl is false

    And just last week bought a new 4 banger for the other half.

    Im hearing ya Aussie!!!!!!!

    Oh and by the way T/S, this isnt just any Big 6, this is the “game changing” 6cyl.
    You know, the one that still uses as much fuel as the Falcon on official stats, more in real world whilst being smaller and less safe ;)

    In sportivo guise these look OK IMO.
    Its a pity they are FWD and have a typical Camry interior.

    Perhaps the 50th Anniv should have been based on the Sportivo…..
    It looks like they have kitted it up to the sportivo spec bar the body kit.
    It needs Sportivo flares, and also lose the grandma wheels

    Yep, just had another look, this reiks of G’ma

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    hahaha yeah right Hal…………

    17 inch wheels………..woooooooooooo .

    The Sportivo is an Aurion with a red Badge,what colours this one got ?

    Got to say the price is pretty good,I mean an optioned up Rolla for 34k or this ?

    Oi AussieCars,real men dont have a problem with chics that drive faster cars than them :P

  • Philthy

    I wish my work had bought a 6 instead of the gutless turd of a 4 cylinder camry we have.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    I would have preferred the 60th Anniversary Commodore that was better value than this and a smidgen cheaper!

    “The Omega 60th Anniversary Special Edition offers $8,000 AUD worth of extra value with special features including new 18-inch alloy wheels, leather seat inserts, decorative moulding on instrument panel in micro silver, front grille insert, rear parking sensors, mobile phones bluetooth connectivity for compatible and special ‘60th anniversary’ rear badge.”

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    As soon as the emissions trading scheme comes in you won’t see many six’s being sold. Incentives from government will see fleets buying fours and diesels to off set carbon emissions. Private sales will follow with duties and taxes reduced to entice the public into more environmentally friendly cars. Another blow for Aussie manufactured cars. At the moment none of them rate well enough.

  • Duck

    Yeah, I agree Bavarian Missile. I reckon the 60th Anniversary Holden Commodore was a better deal. It was cheaper and it had more features/extra’s.

  • Anon

    If i was a horrible person I would say “just goes to show that you can’t polish a turd… but you can cover it in sparkles”… lucky i’m not a horrible person

  • Tom

    SWEET!

    Im sure glad they told me about this

    all it needs is chrome door handles, and maybe sheep skin seat covers and im sold!

  • yjs

    How many of you have actually drive an Aurion, or sat in its interior? The drivetain and engine response is light years ahead of the VE Commodore and is arguably even better than the FG Falcon.

    Not to mention it’s not designed to fall apart either, or rust, or have faulty brakes etc. I only drove an AT-X as a hire car for two days but it was enough for me to think it’s a great family car. Very quick too, 0 to 100 in about 7 seconds. Brilliant engine and 6 speed auto.

  • soon

    Yjs…..please don\\\’t worry about these bogans.another article ruined by bogans.jealousy….of course.

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Yjs,
    I drove the Aurion at the Mt Cotton driver training centre. I did the track about 20 times including the skid pan and completed stop start and ABS tests. Same day we had the Falcon and Commodore. I can tell you first hand the Aurion drives very well. Biggest problem was talk steer. No matter what systems you have in place with a front wheel drive you won’t get around the fact that the front wheels are carrying all the weight, directing the car, most of the braking and putting the power on the ground. After only a few hours the front tyres looked like they had been through a grinder. Commodore and Falcon drove well but were much harder to keep straight on the skid pan, don’t get me wrong it was lots of fun but in a RWD you will spend most of your time sideways and that cant be good in a real world situation.
    I don’t agree the Aurion is better that Falcon or Commodore. I see Aurion headed down the same path of the 380. Aussie family’s just prefer RWD sedans.

  • AussieCars

    @Yjs
    I have been in one.(but not driven one)
    My 2 biggest gripes are bland interior and its not a large car. And Toyota call it a big aussie six…its not!

  • Another Toyota Recall

    Quote ” Not to mention it’s not designed to fall apart either, or rust, or have faulty brakes etc.”

    Ahhhhhh so that what you thinks wrong with Holden and Ford ,they design their cars to rust have faulty brakes and fall apart.

    Dont be a goose mate, Toyota has had its fair share of recalls this year ! Oh and stop further embarrassing yourself with comments like these.

    “The drivetain and engine response is light years ahead of the VE Commodore and is arguably even better than the FG Falcon.”

    Stop feeling so threatened just because people hate Toyotas,its nothing personal its just that we’re better than you cause we know there are better alternatives out there than this .

  • Alex

    Why oh why did they give it a spoiler? When will car companies learn that cars that have little to no performance don’t need down force? And you can’t say it looks more sporty because of it. It makes it look more frumpy, if it could look any more frumpy.
    Toyota have again failed spectacularly to grab my attention. Once again, I am simply bothered by the amount of cars that they sell.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    hahaha…………..here we go ! Absolutely Duck ,and you can have a wagon too :P ….

    How can people say that Toyota plastic is better quality,what a load of crap,its bloody plastic people and they seem to have PLENTY of it too!

  • soon

    nothing wrong with the recalls…if there with the problems.some car makers care enough to recall.some don’t like ford.
    please read it .enough jokes you bogans.Ford Falcons with potentially faulty brakes will not be recalled, the carmaker says.

    This is despite Ford recalling Territory models with similar problems.

    Ford communications manager Sinead McAlary said they had investigated the problem and found only a small number of BA and early BF Falcons had problems with the rear brake hoses.

    In March, Ford issued a recall on more than 83,000 Territory vehicles to rectify a front brake hose problem occurring on less than two per cent of the vehicles.

    McAlary said they did not have an issue with the front brakes on the Falcon.
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    “Seventy per cent of braking is done with the front brake and they still stop well on the (faulty) rear brakes,” she said.

    Ford would not recall any Falcons but would continue to perform an update on the rear brakes of affected models when they were booked in for a regular service, McAlary said.

    The issue was brought to the attention of Ford after owners reported the failure to Carsguide.how funny…ford is playing the game with innocent customers.mcalary..do you know you cannot drive your car with faulty brakes regardless of front or rear one..because it is UNROADWORTHY.it’s clearly ford doesn’t concerned for customer safety…just to save the face…no wonder smart people staying away from your products..and monthly sale results confirmed that.

  • D

    Whitegoods

  • Captain Mainwaring

    They would have been looking forward to the 50th anniversary with pencils sharpened. A perfect opportunity to bunch together a pile of accessories that had been sitting around in the parts dept. with no prospect of disposal at the normal retail price.

  • Andrew M

    yjs,
    Its foolish to claim the Aurion has a much better drive train.
    The Falcon is also a 7 second car to 100.
    The biggest difference in driving the 2 is that you dont have to prod the go peddle as much in the Falcon to get it moving.

    Fair enough the commodores 6cyl is behind Aurion, but if you want performance then head over to the SS and the memories of the gutless 6cyl version quickly fades.
    In camp Toyota, the Aurions 6cyl is as good as it gets, where as the already better Falcons motor only gets better, and the once behind the Aurion Commodore motor leap frogs it.

    Oh and please find me someone that agrees with you that the Aurion 6 speeder is better than the Falcons ZF6

    Interior wise the Aurion is just bland. Seats arent as comfy as the Falcon and Commodore.

    And Quality wise its not worth shouting about. Yes they have done well, but its not any better put together than the Falcon, and at least the Falcons is enjoyable

  • Andrew M

    Well look at you “Soon”,
    You can copy and paste the same dribble over and over, but simply change the name.

    Well done

  • soon

    enjoyable trips back to fix these common problems and faults forever?

  • Sam, the original

    I have a pet hate for those stupid spoilers on the boot. I would pay them to take it off if i was going to buy one.

  • soon

    another article ruined by a group of bogan.jealousy….of course.heart bleeding …right?

  • Daniel

    The Aurion needs electric seats. Ones that shock you every twenty k’s to keep you awake.

    This car is so boring its a driving hazard.

  • Phill

    Driving an Aurion can cause the formation of callous on the hands,(from all the tugging on the wheel)just like that other common activity.

  • Name (required)

    y do people straight away revert back to calling anyone who disagrees with their views bogans ur a bogan for calling everybody a bogan everyone has the right to their on opinion
    a big aussie 6 is the XR6T and F6 oh by the way dont forget the new upgraded falcon engine comes out next year which means export to Europe is all goes right
    oh and the XR6T dose 0-100 in 4.8secs (look on youtube if you dont believe) so dont see the toymota keepn up

  • JEKYL & HYDE

    must admit it’s a fair package,different from the 60th anniv commy though.its gone a bit sporty.the 60th is holdens gift to the older generation(read 50)with bad leather and tooth.holden could look at the 6 speed and climate air standard…

  • Bill

    The “free” extras package looks quite good, but it’s still a Camry underneath – pity.
    This however, really isn’t such a good deal if you consider others are dropping below rrp by more $, where you could then option up how YOU wanted to.

    Disguised discounting to move some stock, that’s all.

  • Jake02

    The Aurion is equal to or better than Falcon/Comm in BASE FORM. The 3.5L Toyota V6 is better than the age-old Falc/Comm engine (I know the Comm engine is only from 2005, but that was just an update of an older engine), as well as the 6-speed auto. But if you go upto the performance models, obviously theres no comparison. The TRD Aurion was possibly an XR6T competitor, but a 240kW FRONT-WHEEL-DRIVE car was never going to succeed.

    I’ve always had a go at Toyota for not doing exciting cars, but with this I just couldn’t care less, ITS BORING!!! And they claimed (at realise) that its an all-Aussie design, but in Asia (Japan/Korea not included), this is the Camry for them, so its not all-Aussie. And its Chinese-made too!

    AND for my final point, have any of you seen the ad for this special edition? ITS AT A FRIGGIN RACE TRACK!!!! THEIR MARKETING IT AS A SPORTY CAR!!!! WRONG!!!!

  • Wheelnut

    Qoute YJS: How many of you have actually drive an Aurion, or sat in its interior? The drivetain and engine response is light years ahead of the VE Commodore and is arguably even better than the FG Falcon.

    I have and it is one of the most uncomfortable cars I have ever driven. First of all the steering if its not dead its on life support; the seating psition was out of line with the pedals; there is no need for the tunnel to be that wide given that its FWD not to mention that the A pillar is just as thick as the VE.

    As for the engine.. I am yet to see a review in a reputable publication which puts the supposedly F1 inspred engine of the Aurion ahead of the VE and FG in terms of usable power. Sure the Holden and Ford engines mightn’t be as advanced but they are easier to extract usable power from

  • Shak

    Ok im a holden man but this is better value than the base Omega. BUt other than value nothing else is exciting. Jake02 i also saw the ad and felt a bit lied to. By the way what makes headlights “sport” headlights.

  • Wheelnut

    YJS if Holdens and Fords are designed to breakdown and fall apart etc – then I ask you to show me one example of the very first model Toyota to be released in Australia back in 1958 which is still in factory condition still running and still registered.. There are hundreds of thousands of original Fords and Holdens [more than 25y.o] still going but you don’t see that many Toyotas – if any

  • Wheelnut

    I wonder if Ford will release a limited edition Ute to celebrate its 75th anniversary – as they are the creators of what is one of the worlds most populous vehicles.

  • gt2000

    I have a aurion atx as a company car and let me tell all the keyboard warriors on here who have never driven a aurion they are a hell of a lot better car than any dinosaur commodore omega or falcon, with 200kw they are not only quicker but are far superior in fit & finish,safety,ride,nvh and looks,i had my choice of either of the above and i am so glad i went with the aurion, on a recent trip to the gold coast for holidays i got a best of 6.9lt/100k (thats 41mpg) let me see a commodore or falcon beat that, and with more passing power! our company will be changing all over to aurion’s shortly because of the low cost of running with toyota service advantage and the low fuel consumption! bloody great car well done toyota!

  • Wheelnut

    Why didn’t they bolt on a couple of components/features from the TRD [Toyotas Recent Disaster]? as they’d have a few containers full of them around the place – that would have made the car slightly more destinctive..

    • tom

      Well ford will have an empty factory soon haha. My aurion i would not swap for anything of same value.Especially for a BOGAN MOBILE..PLEASE…

  • gt2000

    I forgot to bring up resale value because my company has done a lot of work on this, in queensland a 2007 aurion atx are still selling for around $20,000 the same car in commodore omega is selling for 16-17k! the aurion is a way better buy all round!

  • MatthewM

    Yawn… next.

  • FACTS

    Quote ” The Aurion is equal to or better than Falcon/Comm in BASE FORM.”

    WRONG! True there isnt anything really wrong with the Aurions engine and drive train but as an overall car the FG surpasses it.

    Here are some recent comments when the two cars were tested against each other.The Commodore was included but I didnt bother including it cause my case is for the Falcon.

    FG G6 -FOR .Outstanding ride/handling balance; classy interior; excellent ESP.

    Against.Inadequate low-beam headlights; some steering kickback.

    Quote ” Flex the right calf to awaken the Falcon’s 4.0-litre in-line six, and you start to hear a different noise. Changes to the cylinder head and induction system have resulted in the sweetest sounding Falcon yet. The engine acoustics build into a full and throaty induction roar as the tacho sweeps past 4000rpm.

    With a rich 195kW/391Nm, there’s acres of engine grunt, too, and it’s well harnessed by a smooth-shifting five-speed auto, with ratios chosen to keep the engine in its sweet spot.

    The G6′s suspension tune is also outstanding. Quite obviously comfort-orientated, it nonetheless delivers a superb blend of compliance and control. The floodways which so troubled the Aurion are soaked up by the Falcon without fuss.

    Impressively, when the road offers some twists and turns, the Falcon rises to the occasion. Mid-corner bumps are dispatched with ease, body control never wavers, ride comfort never deteriorates. The steering is crisp and decisive, the big Falcon turning in eagerly, the front tyres keying into the bitumen. Feed on the throttle and the rear-end exhibits terrific grip that is a fitting match for the car’s impressive inherent balance. Like the rival Commodore, this really is a fine-handling large sedan.

    Bitumen and dirt-road testing revealed the ESP (or DSC in Ford speak) calibration to be subtle and expertly tuned. Indeed, on a sealed road you’re hard pressed to detect its activation, with only the blinking yellow triangle on the dash giving anything away.

    The G6′s negatives are few. The steering suffers light kickback over corrugations, the brake pedal is initially a little spongy, the low-beam headlights offer inadequate penetration at night and, to some eyes, the FG doesn’t pack enough visual punch.

    But if you can live with its conservative styling, the G6 oozes class. Possessed of the most convincing mix of abilities, this new Falcon is proof that the big Aussie six has never been a better buy. ”

    Aurion Prodigy-For.Best-in-class drivetrain; good value; should be reliable

    Against.Unresolved ride and body control; sodden dynamics; steering

    Aurion quote” Yes, it’s an outstanding drivetrain package, but the gap soon closes when other aspects of the driving experience are taken into account.

    First among these is suspension, where the Prodigy’s soft springs and dampers prove both jittery at low speeds, and lacking in effective rebound at higher speeds. Sailing over humped floodways at 110km/h, for instance, the nose bobs and wallows excessively on rebound.

    In moderate driving conditions the Toyota remains relatively benign, but press beyond six-tenths and understeer is the only trick in the book. The slow-geared steering (3.2 turns lock-to-lock) feels resolutely disconnected for the most part.

    But if you’re considering buying a Toyota, then scalpel-sharp dynamics are probably not a priority. What should be a priority for most, however, is a seamlessly effective ESP system, and here the Aurion also fails. Regardless of the surface, when the electronic brain decides you are out of control (and it doesn’t take much convincing) the ESP cuts in with unnerving violence. Subtle it ain’t.

    The Aurion claws back some valuable yards when it comes to refinement, with just a slight rustle of wind and faint monotone thrum on coarse-chip to break the silence.

    For some, the Aurion’s strong value and drivetrain superiority will mark it a winner. But here, the lack of chassis composure, blunt ESP and disconnected steering place it a close, but clear, third.

    3rd ok ! Its not all about engines and drivetrains.Love the word “should be more reliable in there .

  • Jason

    My two cents…

    I owned a 2005 Subaru Liberty 2.5i manual. And all the fuel savinsg that people talk about are a myth. I was getting around 10 L/100km. I then got a 2007 BA falcon w/4spd auto and with a mix of city/freeway driving was averaging around 11 L/100km.

    Anyone that picks which car they purchase over 1 L/100km is just plain stupid. Have a look at the recent .5L/100km change from Ford. Yes, its good to see a move in the right direction, but for your average person doing 20,000km per year thats about $1 per week!

    As for the Aurion. My current car is a 2007 Aurion AT-X. Very very bland car. Steering under power is really bad. Torque steer with 200kW le I guess.& Front wheel drive is unavoidle. Interior is cheap. Seats are flat. Handling is very detached. The Falcon & Commodore are much more enjoyable to drive. But, this is what you would expect from Toyota.

  • soon

    really?…read it again…..very good customer service from dinosaur.Ford Falcons with potentially faulty brakes will not be recalled, the carmaker says.

    This is despite Ford recalling Territory models with similar problems.

    Ford communications manager Sinead McAlary said they had investigated the problem and found only a small number of BA and early BF Falcons had problems with the rear brake hoses.

    In March, Ford issued a recall on more than 83,000 Territory vehicles to rectify a front brake hose problem occurring on less than two per cent of the vehicles.

    McAlary said they did not have an issue with the front brakes on the Falcon.
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    “Seventy per cent of braking is done with the front brake and they still stop well on the (faulty) rear brakes,” she said.

    Ford would not recall any Falcons but would continue to perform an update on the rear brakes of affected models when they were booked in for a regular service, McAlary said.

    The issue was brought to the attention of Ford after owners reported the failure to Carsguide.how funny…ford is playing the game with innocent customers.mcalary..do you know you cannot drive your car with faulty brakes regardless of front or rear one..because it is UNROADWORTHY.it’s clearly ford doesn’t concerned for customer safety…just to save the face…no wonder smart people staying away from your products..and monthly sale results confirmed that.never heard funny comments as this one.ford…you are a joke.only dinosaur can get away with grandfather’engine and suspensions.

  • omgwot

    Is it a Fisher & Paykel? and do they come in stainless steel to match my coffee maker?

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    omgwot ,hahaha thats a classic .

    Jason your thoughts seem to mirror what FACT is saying. The Aurion is a very average drive!

    Soon or SOB or who ever you are tonight ,get your own thoughts and stop with the cut and pasting,your not shocking anyone just showing your lack of “conversation skills”,as usual!

  • Wheelnut

    Jason says: “As for the Aurion. My current car is a 2007 Aurion AT-X.. Steering under power is really bad. Torque steer with 200kW & Front wheel drive is unavoidable. I guess”

    Ford have developed a electronic system in the new Focus RS which virtually wipes out the un-settling effects that Torque steer can have particularly under heavy acceleration
    Therefore; its only a matter of time before Toyota copies it.

  • Jason

    Oh, and something worth noting. Around town driving only, Im consistently getting 12.5 L/100km. I know its around the suburbs, but its hardly game changing (pardon the pun).

  • SteveH

    I will add my 2 cents. If you compare this Aurion with its competitors, its not a bad car. A Commodore Omega with its 4 speed auto and gutless engine, is no way as good a drivetrain as the Aurion. An FG Falcon XT would however be leaps and bounds ahead of both, even with its 5 speed auto. Also, if you plant your foot around a corner in a FWD, what are you expecting? Its like giving an FPV F6 a bootfull and complaining when it gets sideways.

  • http://CarAdvice The Salesman

    SteveH,
    ESP takes care of under and over steer. We are complaining about torque steer. Nothing worst than fighting the steering wheel after a u turn @ 10kph that wants to rip out of your hands. In a car the Aurions size an AWD would suit better to handle the 200kW

  • Damian

    “Yeah, I agree Bavarian Missile. I reckon the 60th Anniversary Holden Commodore was a better deal. It was cheaper and it had more features/extra’s.”

    Let’s not mention how the Commodore has piss poor build quality, obsolete transmission (4-speed auto with shift refinement akin to a tractor), coarse engine that gives drivers and passengers an agricultural experience… Need I say more?

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Maybe in your eyes Damian but it still surpasses the Aurion as the second choice of the three from professional road testers in this Country. :)

    Hows your Cardy going now dear ?

  • soon

    really?The behaviour I have seen is like watching high school children being vindictive and silly.dinosaurs would be gone before you knew it.heart bleeding…right?CAN’T ACCEPT THE FACTS?won’t be long…..

  • Wheelnut

    It’s weird that when the topic of discussion is about Holden Ford or any of the other major manufacturers the Lex-ota lovers on this site like to hijack the discussion so that we end up “talking” about Toyota.

    Yet now they have the opportunity to and actually talk about a car which is made by their beloved Toyota and how “superior” it is in every way to every other car –
    but they’d rather talk about Holden and Ford instead.

    Says something about Toyotas then doesn’t it? when even Toyotas disciples don’t want to talk about their cars

  • soon

    yes…another article ruined by a group of bogans.being number ONE and at the top is not easy,eveyone want to shoot at you.if toyota were number 50 in the world then we won’t seen many bogans here.jealousy…of course.

  • Frenchie

    The Aurion Touring Special Edition is available now from Toyota with a retail price of $34,990.

    Does the new car price advertising apply?

  • soon

    yes…frenchie….$34,390 drive away.

  • Plant It

    Soon……..dont crap on about Ford re-calls or maybe re-calls. Toyota have many problems that have not been a re-call. My friend had a Camry that cracked 2 cyl heads and 2 engine blocks and Toyota wouldnt admit there was a fault even though tow truck operators were making a fortune brining in oever heated camry’s. It cost her thousands and Toyota bluntly refused to pay anything. No tto mention the poor quality trim pieces that kept falling off and the many electrical problems that are very very common with Toyotas. And this was a new car not a used one. Oh.and not to mention the poor fuel economy.

  • Damian

    “Hows your Cardy going now dear ?”

    Better than the dodgy panel gaps and mis-matched plastics on your Dunnydore.

  • Andrew

    GT2000, how is the Aurion a safer car then Commodore or Falcon which are both 5 Start . . . As is Sportwagon.

    And yes the commodore might be slow and have the 4 speed which needs to go, but if i recall the 175 Alloytech is the only Aussie six that is Euro 4 complient currently.

    And what is going to happen when Alloytech goes direct injection with the VF . . . ?

  • Wheelnut

    soon Says: May 26th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
    yes…frenchie….$34,390 drive away.

    Does that mean that the Toyota Dealers pay you $34;990 to drive the car away from their showrooms? If so; I’d be in that and then drive straight to my Local Holden or Ford Dealer and get a car with more features more safety more more comfort etc not to mention more value for money.

  • Lukaas

    Ignoring the blatant hate for Toyota that the usual gang here show…

    $34,995 drive away for an Aurion with that package is “ok”…
    not good, not great… definitely not bad. Considering some spec’d up hatches are priced that much.

    The MYTHS.. and the WRONGS that some here posted are;
    - Base AT-X Aurion seats are obviously going to be “flat” and “uncomfortable”. Toyota wants you to pay an extra $3000 and buy the mid spec to get the better seats. Or spend an extra $7000 and get the sportivo which has pretty good seats by anyone’s standards.

    - Toyota quality… personal opinions from non toyota drivers dont mean much. But industry and global reputation werent made up. They do hold up these toyotas, boring but reliable nonetheless. And Usually by contract, parts in a car that “break” due to the supplier not meeting “standards”… ARE not Toyota’s fault, usually suppliers have to pay for the cost of fixing those problems. And if your friend’s friend’s friend’s friend’s Toyota breaks down and Toyota refuses to pay for the repair… good chances are they didnt follow the maintenance procedures.. or read the fine print that eliminates Toyota’s responsibility.. I dunno… maybe due to owner negligence?….. I should hit a tree on purpose and get Toyota to get me a new bumper….. sounds good??

    - Jake02… the Aurion (plastic parts, interior etc) are designed and styled in Australia by Australians. It is then made in Australia… and also in China, Thailand and Taiwan….. but the parts that make it an “Aurion” is designed here.. well except the 3.5 liter engine which is used in pretty much various models here and overseas. It is a good “base” engine.

    - Holden’s 60th anniversary edition was definitely good for value also. So kudos to them. However “special” editions are a way to lower stock on some overstock items… not just Toyota but all companies do it. However it is is worth noting, Toyota’s stock wouldnt be no way near as high as Holden’s… its against policy to hold over a week’s worth of stock in Toyota factories… ever heard of Just In Time manufacturing?

  • Carzz

    Toyota Aurion tops large car survey
    CarAdvice
    18 Jul, 2008

    The Toyota Aurion AT-X has bested its rivals to be named the least expensive Australian-built large car to run, according to a recent survey performed by the Royal Automobile Club of Victoria (RACV).

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    Toyota Tops Dependability Research
    CarAdvice
    18 Sep, 2006

    “This survey shows that fewer things go wrong with Toyota vehicles than the competition, which contributes to lower cost of ownership,” Mr Buttner said.
    “Dependability also saves customers money in the form of higher resale values when they come to trade in their vehicles.

    “Customers who save money from better quality during their vehicle’s life and at trade-in time are much more likely to buy another Toyota and recommend Toyota to their friends.”

    ************************************************

    Holden, Ford hit skids in buyer survey
    The Australian
    Philip King and Sanna Trad | February 23, 2008

    HOLDEN and Ford are bottom of the first national car buyer satisfaction survey – below even Kia and Hyundai – in another blow to the local industry.

  • Andrew M

    Andrew,
    Dont know what you are talking about,
    the only real aussie 6 is the I6.

    Oh and how does holden improve efficiency and emissions……..They detune it/cut the power

    How does Ford improve efficiency……
    They actually develop the motor further to a point where they can improve power and torque at the same time

  • The Realist

    At least it’s nicer looking than a Camry.

    Toyota need to bring their “A” game to Australia with vehicles like the RWD Crown.

    But I guess if the public purchase and lap up the Camry why would you even bother?

  • Andrew M

    Out comes the surveys………

    Gotta love opinionative results over facts ha ha ha ha ha

  • Andrew M

    gt2000,
    Your fuel readings cant be a combined total.
    That is pure H’way driving

    Earlier this year I also went down to surfers for a holiday and i reset all the trips in my FG.

    On the H’wy I was easily seeing the figures you reported.
    Once you hit the Goldcoast H’wy (or should that be car park) there is no way those figures can be sustained.
    My mix including genuine H’wy K’s and plenty of stop start around the Goldie saw me achieve a figure that was 1L under the “official” figure

    Let me see an Aurion beat that with plenty of pulling power……

    Oh and with your company buying aurions for cheaper servicing, I thought that deal excluded fleets….

    Resale too is neck and neck.
    I bet i could find Commodores and Falcons that ask more than a 2nd hand Aurion
    The price is relative to vehicle condition and K’s etc

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    yeah Andrew ,and just like the tranny in the current Aurion they seem to be slipping back to the only accreditation they can find……..surveys!

    The king of cut and paste seems to be back,hahaha

  • Andrew M

    Oh,
    And in terms of business, Resale is irrelevant.

    It all comes out in the wash when you sell the vehicle.

    If you make more, you get taxed on it.
    If you make less, you get a deduction for it

  • SteveH

    The Salesman, I appreciate the difference between torque steer and understeer, but torque steer during a 10kph u-turn? Thats stretching the truth just a smidge isn’t it?

    I would also like to know how any review / survey quoted that supports Toyota is rubbish, yet the same thing that supports whichever brand you support is the truth and factual.

    We all understand your dislike for all things Toyota, but how about quoting some facts in your responses, rather than its a pile of crap because its a Toyota over and over.

  • MD-88

    So out of all you above who have absolutely tarred the Aurion with your “brushes of negativity” I’d like to know who has actually driven one?

    For starters, these are new build vehicles not stock cars that have been brought in from the cold and had fancy bits glued on them as an afterthought. Secondly, the spec level is pretty impressive for a $34,990 priced car! Thirdly, it is widely known and acknowledged that the Aurion enjoys better resale than equivalent Holden and Ford offerings.

    But most importantly, those of you who have driven either the Camry or Aurion will realise that they are extremely spacious in size with shared “best in class” boot space with FG Falcon! For those with kids in car seats, the Camry/Aurion is certainly more accomodating than the Falcon – I know as I’ve had both as company cars. Any claim that it isn’t a large car are ill informed and representative of the negative attituded folk that troll this site looking for another car to hang brown smelly stuff on.

    Falcon and Aurion are the two shining stars in the large car segment, unfortunately the VE is getting long in the tooth and in base form is a very, very bland and uninspirational motor vehicle – and before I’m declared a “Holden Hater” I’ll have you know that no-one wants a Calais V V8 Sportswagon or Caprice V8 more than I.

    And for those who doubt the following as being factual:

    “Toyota Aurion tops large car survey
    CarAdvice
    18 Jul, 2008

    The Toyota Aurion AT-X has bested its rivals to be named the least expensive Australian-built large car to run, according to a recent survey performed by the Royal Automobile Club of Victoria (RACV).”

    I work in the fleet industry and I can assure you unequivically that this is absolute matter of fact. Buy Price, Re-sale, Toyota Service Advantage (no other manufacturer offers fixed price servicing!) and Fuel Efficiency all combine to make this the most cost effective vehicle in the large car segment bar none.

    And if you’re looking at the Wagon’s, what would you prefer as your daily drive?

    Omega Sportswagon
    Falcon XT MkIII Wagon
    Kluger KX-R 5 Seat Wagon

    Again, one of these is a stand out winner by a country mile and it isn’t either of the locally manufactured variants.

    Finally, to the fools that think the Touring is only available in “Whirlpool White”, get your heads out of the kitty litter! Other colours ARE available.

  • Eventide

    MD-88, the nursing home called – your cardigan has been washed and folded, and the valium pills are ready. Seriously matey, it’s not healthy to get so worked up at your age, just take it easy, take a deep breath and take the missus down to the bowls club this afternoon in your metallic gold Camry, sorry, Aurion :-)

  • MD-88

    Eventide thanks for the laugh, I’m sure you haven’t had an SS Ute, XR6 or Camry as your regular drive vehicle in the last few years have you? I have (true story!) and have also worked for the manufacturers of these vehicles and know a thing or two about their offerings.

  • Tiesto

    Someone can’t handle the truth….. LOL

    Bavarian Missile (.)(.) Says:
    May 27th, 2009 at 10:02 am
    yeah Andrew ,and just like the tranny in the current Aurion they seem to be slipping back to the only accreditation they can find……..surveys!

    The king of cut and paste seems to be back,hahaha

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Quote ” Tiesto Says:
    May 27th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Someone can’t handle the truth….. LOL”

    Cant handle what truth SOB or what ever alias your going to come under next!

    I have no problem letting people know about the problem trans people are having in their Aurions,how about that for truth !

    Quote from a forum reader on the Toyota Forum

    ” after some research on the net it appears very common fault in u.s camrys with the same drivetrain,2grfe with u660e,some people even noting theyd had their tranny replaced up to two times under warranty and still had the problem return after about 5,000 “miles”.some noting that theyde got away with a reflash with a new firmware of the tranny ecu.
    i will contact my dealer tommorrow to ask more about the reflashing.the “flaring ” is not really bothering me that much,but i’m scared its not doing the gearbox much good and dont want more trouble after its out of warrant””

  • Another Toyota Recall

    Well seems that sales on the Aurion are going down whilst the Falcon are going up SOB ,how about that for the truth!
    Im guessing this is why Toyota are having an Aurion sale.

    STATS for April 2009 {Not another biased Toyota survey}

    Toyota down 37%
    Camry/Aurion down about 50%

    Holden down 23%
    Commodore down 5%

    Ford down 17%
    Falcon UP 20%

  • Carzz

    Fed: Holden, Ford at bottom of car survey
    Article from:AAP General News (Australia) Article date:February 23, 2008 | Copyright informationProvided by ProQuest LLC. (Hide copyright information)

    AAP General News (Australia)
    02-23-2008
    Fed: Holden, Ford at bottom of car survey

    SYDNEY, Feb 23 AAP – Holden and Ford have been ranked at the bottom of a national survey
    of car buyer satisfaction.

    The first Australian car survey, by the JD Power Group, used an international standard
    questionnaire to poll thousands of buyers with cars up to three years old.

    Owners were asked to mark their cars on factors including quality, design, performance
    and reliability, The Weekend Australian reports.

    Japanese importers Mazda, Honda and Toyota led the list of makes, with Holden and Ford
    coming in ninth and tenth, behind Kia and Hyundai.

    Buyers marked them down on quality, reliability and …

  • Tiesto

    US?

    Aren’t we talking about AU built Aurion my friend?

    Cheers…

    Bavarian Missile (.)(.) Says:
    May 27th, 2009 at 11:25 am

    Quote from a forum reader on the Toyota Forum

    ” after some research on the net it appears very common fault in u.s

  • Sam, the original

    The fact of the matter is that in a few months time, well 7, the Aurion is 4 years old. An sign of a facelift or a new model???

  • Eventide

    MD-88, I’m sure you have, and good on you. No offence intended, but it looks like none was taken. You’re obviously a good sport.

  • Another Toyota Recall

    Tiesto ,apparently its still the same trans ,people in Ozz are having dramas with them too.

    Here are some more complaints on them.

    “been having some problem with the transmission in my aurion
    has anyone had any probs with the auto slipping when changing gears?

    getting the ocassional slip when changing from 2nd to 3rd and also give a rather abrupt thump sometimes when kicking down from 3rd or 4th to 2nd or 3 rd respectivly.had toyota check it out but nothing found .woulnd play up while they had it.”

    and another ” Woohoo!! yahoo.gif

    After 9 months of ownership and constant reporting of the problem by me, out of the blue today the service manager rang and asked me when I would like to book it in to have the transmission replaced

    I should add that at the 15k service recently I reported the usual rattles and squeaks, and when I picked it up they told me “Ok we had the dash out of your car and fitted a kit that fixes it all”. I nearly fell over.

    Well done to Peter Kittle Toyota, Salisbury, Adelaide””

    hahaha I love the fitted a kit to stop the rattles,what special kit was that I wonder,a kit full of little bits of foam……….Toyotas rattle free and great build quality ,yeah righto!

    Have they recalled these trans yet I wonder ?

  • Frontman

    haha Hear come the surveys :-)
    It appears that if you don’t like (or in my case just prefer something else) then you can’t have driven an Aurion!!!
    Superior build quality? Not true! Superior Economy? Not True! Look it’s not a bad car, it’s quite roomy fairly comfortable (if as noted by a supporter you buy an upper level??? Still doesn’t change the comfort for me) and as a family car I’d prefer one to say an Elantra or Lancer. But comparing to FG is just a tad silly! Camry is large medium (by Toyotas definition) however change the book ends, ad 2 cylinders and call it something different and it becomes a large car??? Sorry I’m not that stupid, and neither are most of the readers here. Sports models without the option of a manual transmission reaks of a half hearted exercise.

    As for resale, Ex Hertz 08 sportivo’s 38k $25,100.00 Drive away 90 days in stock and returned to the Auction, no takers. Ex hertz 08 FG XR6 35k $32,888.00 Drive away 7 instock all sold within 28 days..
    Now as I said, they are not a bad car, and the limited edition is good value considering, but it exists purely for shifting metal whilst their market is down, not same teary eyed notion of nostalgia. Notice how Ford has not done an SR Falcon this year? Because thay are within their manufacturing budget.

  • Tiesto

    You gotta be fair too that every car manufacturers have bad apples. But based on survey, Ford and Holden owners found more faults then Toyota owners found on their cars.

    I mean c’mon guys, Aurion is an Aussie built car, designed by an Aussie who helped design BA XR6. And you guys gave crappy comments about this great car.

    In fact, I don’t own an Aurion and I also like the look of SV6 and XR6, but I wouldn’t go to Holden or Ford’s articles and gave my crappy comments about those cars.

    But mate, you gotta be proud to be an Australian – a country can produce great cars such as Aurion or Commodore and exported internationally.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Hey I totally agree Tiesto ,but the way Toyota people go on about their brand its like they are perfect.They run down Holden and Ford and Toyota have their own problems that they wont acknowledge,thats what p*ss us off on this site! Its not we that hate Toyota its their one eyed perfect supporters we detest .

  • Lukaas

    By Bavarian_Missile
    “I have no problem letting people know about the problem trans people are having in their Aurions,how about that for truth !

    Quote from a forum reader on the Toyota Forum

    ” after some research on the net it appears very common fault in u.s camrys with the same drivetrain,2grfe with u660e,some people even noting theyd had their tranny replaced up to two times under warranty and still had the problem return after about 5,000 “miles”.some noting that theyde got away with a reflash with a new firmware of the tranny ecu.
    i will contact my dealer tommorrow to ask more about the reflashing.the “flaring ” is not really bothering me that much,but i’m scared its not doing the gearbox much good and dont want more trouble after its out of warrant””

    BM, you have to realize that Australian made vehicles differ from US built vehicles that… the supplier/maker of the parts are very different.
    In U.S there are dodgier suppliers, because there are more of them and cost factors in.

    The Tundra camshaft issue for an example… the supplier was found to have “cut” corners and compromised quality/performance on steel grades and it lead to Tundra parts “snapping” and causing major damage to the drive train…
    Toyota got the Supplier to pay for ALL the warranty costings… and have audited their “quality” procedures…. Hence Toyota JAPAN werent happy..

  • Lukaas

    Tiesto…

    That Aussie designer… Nick Hogios… is the Styling manager, so the “looks” and everything aesthetic wise he had a hand in. Engineering wise it was also partially done locally (plastic parts etc).

    And Bavarian…
    You have to realize, that for every jab Toyota fans get, they jab back to Ford and Holden fans… its a never ending battle.

    But when people put “opinion” as FACT thats when it irks me the most…. some here obviously cannot be good lawyers or atleast of reliable information… as most of their “jabs” are personal opinions as opposed to facts supported.

    Bottomline…. put a RWD and a 6-speed manual on the Aurion and it would of been 5x more successful.

    Why?, because Toyota’s reputation is seriously and it is globally accepted to be much better than Fords or GMs, but Ford is on the rise I have to say. Then you eliminate the “boring” bits (FWD, automatic etc)

    And you have a pretty darn good car for everyday and for a weekend drive.

  • SteveH

    Agree 100% with all of your comments above Lukaas.

    There are fewer and fewer manufacturers putting a manual gearbox in ‘family’ cars nowadays, so it gets frustrating if you are in the market for something like this and want a manual.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Quote ” BM, you have to realize that Australian made vehicles differ from US built vehicles that… the supplier/maker of the parts are very different.
    In U.S there are dodgier suppliers, because there are more of them and cost factors in.”

    Doesnt seem to matter where the parts are coming from Lukaas, the trans is having problems in the US and here in Australia . Doesnt that make it worse ?

    I did read this morning that Toyota have less experienced staff in their purchasing group when it comes to using suppliers in the US ,maybe that their first problem.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Quote ” And Bavarian…
    You have to realize, that for every jab Toyota fans get, they jab back to Ford and Holden fans… its a never ending battle.””

    God yeah I realise that,but I think us Ford and Holden fans dont take it as personally as they do ,they get so serious ,never like to have a joke about their product .Im guessing thats why several of them have been banned from this site .

    You know what I hate when I supply the facts and they glaze over them and spin the argument around ,thats more bloody frustrating!

    RWD manual Aurion,will never happen ! Closest Toyota ever got to providing us in Australia with something to keep us awake was still FWD ,the TRD should have been their “look at us ” we can compete with HSV and FPV and all it ended up being was a flop! RIP TRD Australia !

  • eh179driver

    Well I will add my 10 cents worth. I had an Aurion ZR6 Sportivo (how wrong is the name, it aint Sporty at all) for 18 months. I got out of the lease so quickly because it was a peice of unreliable crap! In 18 months it:
    Leaked water
    Had the auto replaced twice (was faulty again when traded)
    Rattles in the dash
    Rattles in the air vents
    Rattles in the dash mounted speakers
    Rattles and squeaks in the centre console
    Faulty lights in the HVAC control
    In the first 12 months of ownership it was returned to the dealer 14 times. I had loan Aurions from the dealer and many of them had similar faults. I had a hire one in South Aust that had the same or similar faults. Even the dealer principal admitted that his own car and plenty of customer cars have similar faulst to time.
    I traded it at Christmas time as I was planning a long family holiday and did not want to do it in the Aurion. Traded it on a VE Sportswagon. No squeaks, rattles, water leaks. The auto performs faultlessly. I have now done 17’000 ks in the Commodore and it is 100% reliable. I now enjoy car ownership and driving again.
    Unlike some contributors on this site, I have owned and Aurion and can state that Toyota’s so called great quality is a mith where my Aurion was concerned!

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Now thats interesting, someone first hand with an Auto problem in an Aurion,why dont they recall them ? The rattles could have been fixed with one of those kits EH179driver or turned the radio up like one person on the Toyota Forum suggested hahaha.

  • Tiesto

    If you smart enough, you wouldn’t buy it after the test drive when you found the car is not Sporty at all. LOL.

    eh179driver Says:
    May 27th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
    Well I will add my 10 cents worth. I had an Aurion ZR6 Sportivo (how wrong is the name, it aint Sporty at all) for 18 months.

  • Tiesto

    And you said you had return the car for 14 times in 12 months and you still keep it for another 6 months? What a JOKER you are…

    I would have sold the car after 4-5 faulty returns.

  • Bill

    Carzz Says:
    May 27th, 2009 at 11:35

    “…The first Australian car survey, by the JD Power Group..”

    That would be the survey that surveyed less that 0.01% of new car buyers, and JD Powers admitted was NOT a sufficient sample size to be accurate or be of any use, but that they hoped next one might be more useful.

  • Tiesto

    Well, they better be bloody right. Otherwise all Falcodore die hard fans will spend 24/7 of their time jabbing this articles defending themselves. LOL.

    Bill Says:
    May 27th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    That would be the survey that surveyed less that 0.01% of new car buyers, and JD Powers admitted was NOT a sufficient sample size to be accurate or be of any use, but that they hoped next one might be more useful.

  • Andrew M

    MD-88,
    If you were to read, those of us that have driven an Aurion have disclosed it.

    The comments that give experiences are coming from those that have driven one.
    Ignorance is no defence.

    Now, how many FG’s have you driven???

  • Pious

    I drove a rental one (well it was only a hundred km) which was fairly new last year. The interior is tacky, but I thought it drove far better than the rental commodore (whatever the new one is, which was truly awful to drive, maybe a pov pack) and rental superseded XR6, which was passable. That said, I would probably buy the XR6 if I had to live with one of them, only coz I come from a ford family.

  • Another Toyota Recall

    Tiesto,I think you will find its the Toyota fans trying to defend their faulty product here :)

    We’re just trying to get them to face reality,the Falcon FG has been shown its the better choice from numerous road tests performed on the three local cars.However the Toyo lovers do the spin thing and try and tell us how much better the Aurions build quality is, pfffffffffffftttttttt .

    Facts are they all have their faults and so just suck it up Toyo lovers, the Falcon is the winner . Stop standing behind your so called quality shield when it has holes in it :P

  • Tiesto

    Mate, I told you earlier, all cars made in Australia are great cars! Full stop! You guys just don’t get it do you. What is the point by arguing Aussie built cars are crap!

    Aurion Aussie built car exported to South East Asian and Middle East for Camry, Commodore Aussie built car exported to US for Pontiac which now has been scrapped. Enough said. They all are great cars.

    Take FG as a winner which I would probably agree too. But mate, just leave all those Toyota fans alone and enjoy your own Falcodore run.

  • Tim

    Just the same old Toyota bashers…why even look at a Toytota article anymore.

  • Lukaas

    Eh179driver…
    really now?

    I work in the industry and part of my task is knowing “field issues” with vehicles, I have access to thousands of warranty claims and constant communication around Australia and globally with component/part failures… and I am very very surprise of your claims..

    maybe you can give me the dealership and I can contact the technician directly… I might even escalate your complaints to upper management since so many many things went wrong your Aurion…. I’ve never heard so many things go wrong in a car all in 18 months…..
    Specifically on a Toyota…. heck I’d be surprise if that many things go wrong on a 15 year old car….

    Care to give me the warranty claim numbers??

  • Lukaas

    Another Toyota Recall…

    You have nothing… no ammo… nada.

    Cars anywhere are built by human hands…. nothing is perfect.

    Toyota’s the most restrict system when it comes to quality and engineers, industry insiders etc can attest to that.

    But still mistakes happen as humans are factored into that system.

    I know engineers who worked on the current Ford Falcon and their are issues, nothing is perfect.

    The ONLY real thing that is CERTAIN…. is due to the RWD setup of Falcon/Commodore… they make sportier handling cars by default…. thats it…

    Built quality… there is data available which show which companies have the least issues, the seriousness of those issues etc…. consumers only know what they read in magazines, brochures, and told by salesmen… and trust me salesmen are laughable, I mean I remember one time one was telling me “facts” about something I designed/worked on and the BS that came of his mouth was ridiculous it just confirmed what I had a feeling all along…

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    hahaha Lukaas why doubt him ? Go on to this site and see for yourself people really do have these same complaints Eh179driver has complained about.

    http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11911&hl=trufflepig

    Hey Tim , whats wrong with coming on a Toyota thread and saying there is better alternatives out their than this Aurion . It seems they’re the ones the cant accept that the Ford FG is a better car for the same money :)

  • Andrew

    The Alloytech is built in Australia Andrew M, and its Australian designed and exported . . .

  • Tiesto

    Bavarian mate.. I have to say people won’t find better alternatives compare to this Aurion by reading these lousy and childish arguments.

    Mature people will go out seek professional advice by reading books or test drive the cars so they can judge the cars better themselves. Ie. best large car of the year 2008 by RACV/NRMA/RACQ/etc. is Falcon, 2006 and 2007 is Aurion.

    They don’t need your crappy comments about any cars that you don’t like. Its your personal opinions and should keep them to yourselves instead of upsetting other people.

    Bavarian Missile (.)(.) Says:
    May 27th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    Hey Tim , whats wrong with coming on a Toyota thread and saying there is better alternatives out their than this Aurion . It seems they’re the ones the cant accept that the Ford FG is a better car for the same money :)

  • DeafDave76

    Man I can’t believe I wasted 15 mins of my lunch break reading these comments. How childish and immature is everyone on Holden vs Ford vs Toyota?

    I have test driven the Toyota Sportivo and I agree there was nothing sporty about it but it was smooth drive and quieter unlike raspy noises from Commodore VE Omega(both sedan and sportswagon) or whiny noises from Ford Falcons(BA to FG).

    If it was me to buy a car, it would be none of the 3 because 1) Fuel costs on large car is more than my old Magna(written off by a stupid Holden Crapadore driver)and 2)I have seen far too many Fords in a mitsubishi car yard and already there are 4 FG falcons in it one which is a Ford G6E. It was rather off putting that the resale values on those fords sucked big time 3)I would never get within a Holden VE as I have heard tales of woes of it especially from my cousin who owned one VE SS and it wasn’t reliable at all. He traded it in for a Golf GTI(Yes a Golf GTI).

    That’s my 2 cents! I am more inclined into 4cyl cars now. If the 380 were still running, I would have bought it over the Fords, Toyotas and Holdens but a pity it isn’t :S

  • Lukaas

    Bavarian…

    The issue of “faulty” transmission is treated as an isolated case as their isnt enough “re-occurences” to say it is a design, quality, supplier issue.

    To put it bluntly… unlucky owner.

    sadly, they occur for all manufacturers. I can give example of a high-volume luxury european car and these cases also occurs.

    usually, for a transmission problem, various things can be factors.
    - A material defect, the supplier’s material batch to make the part (gear, shaft etc) was not 100% within spec requirements, hence when cold or hot conditions, the “imperfection” of the material allows thermal expansion which causes un-warranted “tightness” in the movement of the gears or shaft etc.

    Usually, parts, ALL vehicle parts must have materials that passes certain tests, sometimes due to the high volume of the parts production, material quality suffers… this is supplier’s job to ensure they do not use faulty material, however mistakes and hindsight still happens.

    Its a common case.

    bavarian, elh79driver also commented on leakage, NVH (noise vibration and harshness) all occuring on his Aurion.
    What is the chances of all these major issues occuring in 1 vehicle..
    Pardon me if I ask the question…. did the assembly team at Toyota for a prank decided to ring each other and decide to put all the faulty-rejected parts into that vehicle? because the vehicle will have its Line off date which can trace back to who was working the shift on the line and it also traces back to the supplier’s part…. everything is tracked… everything.

  • Tiesto

    Good call Dave, these people need to open their eyes wide open to see world.

    380 – another great Aussie built car but pity they had to go.

    I owned various cars till now but never looked down on any car manufacturers. Especially when they have their car manufactured down under.

  • Another Toyota Recall

    Tiesto seems for someone that first came on this bolg neutral you soon showed what camp your defending.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinions does it have to agree with yours ?

    Quote ” Ie. best large car of the year 2008 by RACV/NRMA/RACQ/etc. is Falcon, 2006 and 2007 is Aurion.

    Yeah well whats your point,hasnt it been said that currently the best alternative is the Falcon!

    FYI Bavarian is a chick not a bloke so wouldnt call her “mate” if I was you, she can be a little temperamental lol.

  • S

    Thanks for the well written and backed up argument Lukaas

  • Andrew M

    Andrew,
    The alloytec is a GM motor which was first used in a Cadillac.
    They make it here in OZ aswell as North America.

    Its not an Australian designed Motor, but I do realise they do have an assembly line here for it.

    The I6 is the only truely Aussie motor

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Quote Lukaas ” Bavarian…

    The issue of “faulty” transmission is treated as an isolated case as their isnt enough “re-occurences” to say it is a design, quality, supplier issue.

    To put it bluntly… unlucky owner.”

    You mean “owners” Lukaas……. more people should jump up and down at their dealers when it comes to warranty issues instead of just walking away from the car . I know from experience that going to the top not talking to CGAF in customer service gets you answers real fast!

    I come from a workshop background so I know some of the bullcrap service managers can feed you when it comes to them justifying your problems,especially being female!Playing the ditsy blonde for a while is always hilarious till I ask them a technical question? They know better now than to try pulling the wool over my female eyes ;)

    I loved the excuse one Ford dealer use to give you when it came to the backlash in the early BA GTs “oh that normal with a high performance car ” what a load of crap!

    Lukaas it comes down to how fussy you are as driver,most new cars I can pick problems and faults in and there is no reason that elh79driver couldnt be one of those drivers too.

    Lukaas if I was to tell you that Ive experienced more problems than eh79driver has in a Ford would you believe me ? Lets hope you dont come back and say “well it is a Ford ” hahaha……………..Im sure you wont ;)

  • soon

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    drive.com.au, November 29, 2006

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    dCOTY 2006: Best Large Car
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    dCOTY 2006: Best Large Car

    The Testing

    All judges were familiar with each of the cars in this class, but this was the first time we’d had all four together. The Aurion we tested was a base model. The other nominees were a slightly higher grade than standard (Holden Berlina, Mitsubishi 380 SX) or equipped with non-standard features.

    The Ford Falcon wore an XT badge but it was equipped with a six-speed automatic gearbox, 17-inch wheels and tyres, bigger brakes and electronic stability control. The safety pack is a $250 option until December 31, 2006, but has a recommended retail price of $2350.

    Oddly enough, despite being the most affordable model in the range, Toyota’s Aurion had more standard features and safety equipment than its rivals.

    After climbing into and out of all cars on the first day we quickly dispelled the myth that the Aurion is a medium car. If Toyota’s new V6 sedan is medium fare then so is the Ford Falcon and Mitsubishi 380, because all have similar cabin and boot space. Overall, Holden won the space race. It’s so big inside it almost echoes.

    Sadly, though, the metallic blue Berlina had the odd issue with fit and finish inside, consistent with the numerous quality gripes and technical glitches that have beset the majority of Commodores tested by Drive since it went on sale. In this instance, some interior trim fell by the wayside. It’s not the sort of thing to leave you stranded, but nor does it inspire you with confidence in Holden’s billion-dollar investment.

    On the handling course the judges came away surprised and impressed by the sure-footed feeling of the Falcon and the Mitsubishi 380 – and disappointed by just how much the Commodore’s extra weight affected it in tight turns. The Commodore has received a lot of praise for its handling – on long, sweeping bends. In the tight stuff, though, the Holden suffers because of its weight.

    The Aurion was the least impressive dynamically but it didn’t disgrace itself. As is the Toyota way, the electronic aids cut in early when the car senses the driver may have lost control or is taking evasive action. Enthusiasts won’t like it but safety-conscious mums and dads may.

    On the open road, the Falcon and 380 impressed once again and the Commodore was shown to be noisier and less refined than we’d recalled.

    Have your say on our Drive blog: dCOTY Best Large Car: Aurion, but it’s not the best drive

    Again, we could feel it throwing its weight around. The Aurion didn’t do anything exceptionally well but was a more comfortable car to be in on rutted roads and was quiet on most surfaces.

    The Winner

    You’re probably tired of reading about how there was robust discussion among the judges prior to casting their votes, but there was certainly an energetic exchange of views when it came to large cars.

    The Aurion is far from the most rewarding to drive, and safety omissions scratched the Falcon and 380 on the home straight. Neither is available with curtain-airbags. (Electronic stability control is not available at any price on the Mitsubishi, it’s an option on the Ford and standard on the Commodore
    and Aurion.)

    As this is not a performance car test, the Aurion was still a contender at this point but the Falcon and 380 were effectively sidelined. If the Falcon was available with curtain airbags, it would have been a tougher choice as it had the most sophisticated stability control among its peers. The judges didn’t want to dismiss the 380 either, as it was so agile to drive. But the Mitsubishi was cast aside for the same reasons as the Falcon: it doesn’t have the complete level of safety armoury as the Toyota or Holden.

    That left judges to decide between quite an odd couple: Holden or Toyota. In Holden’s view, the Aurion shouldn’t even be here because it shares its core body structure with a Camry. Sure, the Commodore is bigger than the Aurion, but the Toyota has similar cabin and boot space as the Ford and Mitsubishi.

    Dynamically, the Holden has the edge over the Toyota but the judges agreed the Commodore’s handling wasn’t perfect either – and the Holden’s engine and transmission were the least impressive among its peers.

    Holden fans may cry foul but the Toyota Aurion won for several reasons, not just one. It’s not the most rewarding car to drive but it is safe, comfortable and fuss-free. The Aurion has more power than any other car in this group and yet is the most fuel efficient. Its smoother and more refined engine is not particularly strong in the lower rev range, but the six-speed transmission helps mask this deficiency.

    So, the Aurion has more standard features and safety equipment than its main rivals – and it’s cheaper. In the end, the Aurion scored seven votes, the Holden two. Enough said.

  • soon

    DCOTY 2007: Best Large Car – The verdict
    Joshua Dowling, drive.com.au, November 29, 2007

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    Locally-produced competitors have tried to inject more value into their large cars, but it’s not enough to stop the Toyota Aurion winning its class for Drive Car of the Year for 2007.
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    DCOTY 2007: Holden Commodore Berlina
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    DCOTY 2007: Best Large Car

    The Holden Commodore may be Australia’s favourite car but it has some strong competition in the large-car market.

    These four locally-made sedans are popular with fleets but they’ve found their appeal waning as fleet operators downsize their vehicles and have a stronger focus on fuel economy.

    Increasingly, companies and government departments are also giving staff the choice of what vehicle they drive provided it fits within a budget – and not everybody is choosing the traditional Aussie sedan.

    Given that locally-made cars are under pressure from a record number of imports, all four are well priced and well equipped in an attempt to increase their appeal.

    The Holden Commodore hasn’t received much attention in the past year because it is still enjoying that new-car glow. The all-new model went on sale in August 2006. Only the Toyota Aurion V6 is younger, arriving in showrooms in October 2006, and it too has changed little in that time.

    The Mitsubishi 380 sedan, however, has had two updates since it was released in October 2005, the most recent in July 2007. Along with some minor visual changes the 380 gained traction control (which limits wheelspin), but the more advanced stability control (which can prevent a skid in a corner) and curtain airbags are still not available.

    The Ford Falcon is nearing the end of its current lifecycle, although Ford has introduced technical changes at various intervals since the current shape was introduced in September 2002.

    A six-speed automatic transmission and stability control became an option on the most affordable model about 18 months ago. Earlier this year, however, Ford introduced stability control on the four-speed auto version of the Falcon sedans as standard equipment. This may seem incidental but the costs to engineer this technology so late in the Falcon’s life are quite significant. When we asked Ford why it didn’t wait until the new model arrived, the company told us that stability control was becoming a must-have with government fleets and it couldn’t afford to not have the technology.

    Toyota Aurion AT-X

    Unfortunately, curtain airbags aren’t likely to be on the Falcon until the updated model arrives in the first half of next year.

    We were keen to test the most basic Ford Falcon with four-speed automatic transmission and stability control which comes with 16-inch wheels and tyres. Instead, Ford elected to put its best foot forward and gave us a Futura with the optional six-speed auto, 17-inch wheels and tyres and bigger brakes.

    On the one hand it proved to be a clever move, because all the judges were impressed by how well the Falcon drove for such an old car. The engine was relatively refined, the steering and handing felt secure and the brakes were strong. But the options pushed the Falcon’s price to more than $41,000.

    Holden supplied a Berlina (rather than the base-model Omega), which gave us a chance to see that the company has replaced the faux woodgrain trim with some silver cabin highlights. Other than that, little has changed. The Commodore is still a roomy, capable car – but still has some quality bugs to iron out (the cruise control on both the Holden and the Ford sedans malfunctioned during our testing). Despite costing close to $40,000 the Berlina still doesn’t get curtain airbags as standard and its V6 engine is thirsty and slow.

    The Mitsubishi 380 impressed the judges with its agile dynamics (if it had the Toyota Aurion’s price and equipment it could well have won this class), but it was let down by a lack of available safety equipment. Four airbags, traction control and anti-lock brakes are standard – but other cars in this class offer either more airbags and/or stability control.

    So, on the safety front, only two of the four locally made sedans are available with curtain airbags, three are available with stability control – and only one comes standard with the lot even on the most affordable model.

    And that’s part of the reason the Toyota Aurion is one of only three cars to win its class for the second year in a row.

    The Aurion isn’t perfect – when pushed in the slalom it got a bit tongue-tied and reached its limits earlier than the other large sedans did – but in most other regards it has the game licked.

    Its performance is quite astounding by class standards. The Aurion reached 100kmh from rest in 6.9 seconds, according to our satellite-assisted timing system. (Ford Falcon 7.3, Mitsubishi 7.8, and Commodore a sluggish 8.3). Who’d have thought a Toyota would outpace Australia’s two top-selling six-cylinder sedans?

    The Aurion is well priced, has the most standard equipment (including a fully power adjustable driver’s seat), a full complement of safety features (front, side and curtain airbags as well as stability control), and it also happens to have the briskest and most powerful six-cylinder engine among its peers. Despite this, it is also the most fuel efficient in its class. It was an easy winner.

  • soon

    IT WAS AN EASY WINNER?2 YEARS STRAIGHT WINNER?i love it.
    bleeding hearts you bogans?hard to swallow?dinosaurs would be long gone before you knew it.can’t accept the facts?jealousy…..of course.

  • Tiesto

    Well that’s the point my friend. If you’re a Ford anthusiast – please do me a favour, go back to your own Ford article and say something good about your Ford a million times and guess what, you’ll soon get praise from all of those Falcon’s fans.

    Now you’re Toyota article with your arrogant nickname Another Toyota Recall?

    What would you feel if someone in your Ford article with a nickname called Another Bloody Ford Recall? Its a bit un-Australian, don’t you think?

    I agree Falcon is current best large car in the market but it doesn’t mean Aurions are crap cars. In fact they are 2nd best car according to the research.

    And for your information mate, I won’t defend any camps in here. Fair dinkum mate, this is Australia!

    Another Toyota Recall Says:
    May 27th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Tiesto seems for someone that first came on this bolg neutral you soon showed what camp your defending.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinions does it have to agree with yours ?

    Quote ” Ie. best large car of the year 2008 by RACV/NRMA/RACQ/etc. is Falcon, 2006 and 2007 is Aurion.

    Yeah well whats your point,hasnt it been said that currently the best alternative is the Falcon!

    FYI Bavarian is a chick not a bloke so wouldnt call her “mate” if I was you, she can be a little temperamental lol.

  • SOON, TO BE GONE.THATS A STATEMENT NOT A QUESTION.

    Whens this dude going to stop with the cut and pasting and learn to speak English .Sooner you get banned the better. I like Toyota’s and still think your an idiot!

  • Tiesto

    I’m with stupid —> SOON, TO BE GONE.THATS A STATEMENT NOT A QUESTION. Says:
    May 27th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    Whens this dude going to stop with the cut and pasting and learn to speak English .Sooner you get banned the better. I like Toyota’s and still think your an idiot!

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Tiesto,are you new to this site ? Obviously you dont watch the Toyota people come on over to the Holden and Ford blogs and bag the crap out of them .Its Australia ,rivalry happens in mosts sports here and can get pretty vocal why would you think choices in cars that people can be passionate about be any different.

    Stop trying to be the mediator here cause its not working!

    Ive been on this site for 2 years and its been going all that time .

  • Tiesto

    I agree your point Bavarian lady – rivalry happens everywhere. But the reason why I got sick reading all these bullcrap comments is that I love all cars! I love Aurion, I love Falcon, I love Commodore and even 380! They are all great Aussie big 6′s! But come all these crappy and harsh comments about Aurion, emotional based, try to avoid facts (survey and research). If you’re all think you’re good commentator about cars, you should go and write your own article.

    Toyota fans, you should do the same in Ford/Holden’s article. Nothing is perfect matey. Toyota, Ford, Holden have their own time as the winner. Its just the matter of time. It could be Thai built Accord for the winner 2009 – you’ll never know! – but hope not.

    And (Soon), fyi. not only bogans are driving Ford/Holden, yanks are driving them too in States as Pontiac muscle car. And guess what, some bogans are also drive Aurion my friend!

    Oh well if the nature of this site is about rivalry/anger then so be it, I’ll be out from here in no time. Take care boys and girl!

  • Wheelnut

    Tiesto Says:
    May 27th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
    Bavarian mate.. I have to say people won’t find better alternatives compare to this Aurion by reading these lousy and childish arguments.

    Mature people will go out seek professional advice by reading books or test drive the cars so they can judge the cars better themselves. Ie. best large car of the year 2008 by RACV/NRMA/RACQ/etc. is Falcon, 2006 and 2007 is Aurion.

    They don’t need your crappy comments about any cars that you don’t like. Its your personal opinions and should keep them to yourselves instead of upsetting other people.

    Tiesto: Do you honestly believe that a professional Toyota car salesman is going to tell a potential customer the honest truth about the cars sitting in the showroom..that is do you think that they are going to say exactly what they themselves think about the car… something like:

    “If you want my [professional/expert] advice; if I was you I wouldn’t buy the Aurion.. I mean look at it.. it looks like it was designed in the early 1990s.. its an absolute heap of sh!t.
    It’s FWD which is crap.. its too heavy and the engine is underpowered [given that its supposedly derived/inspired by F1].
    The fit and finish is worse than Daewoos; the headlights are from Honda the Tail lights from Hyundai
    The Model T Ford had more features.. as for head and leg room there isn’t any..

    No of course not they are going to say what they are paid to say not only by their boss but Toytas marketing department [you know the ones who do all the surveys that you like to pass off as Fact]

    You may think that the Journos from Motor and Wheels can be just as biased However; they’re not being Paid by Toyota Holden or Ford – their income doesn’t depend on how many cars Toyota Holden or Ford sell.
    Their income relies more on how many Magazines are sold – which have always been in the hundreds of thousands because there will always be 1000s of people will buy the magazines no matter what articles are in the magazine let alone what car happens to be on the front cover

    Which means even though you mightn’t like the results of the road tests or even whats written in Wheels or Motor is likely to be more impartial than a Car salesman

    No offence car salesman – it’s just that there are a number of Salesmen out there who sometimes tell their customers word for word what it says in the brochure.

  • Wheelnut

    By The Way Fiesto: this website is called CarAdvice key word being Advice – which in itself means the articles help depict/describe either Allborzs; Matt Brogans or Paul Marics or Karl Pesketts opinion of the car often with a summarising sentence in which they give their opinion

    It also allows other people to give their opinion as to what they think about the car – provided that they adhere to the code of conduct which means that they stay on topic and aren’t insuting or offensive

    What i am saying is that the site is full of people giving their advice etc… you don’t have to take it or agree with it but you have absolutely no right to denograte or insult others just because their opinion is different to yours…. Get over yourself

  • Tiesto

    Doughnut – I have now, take care my friend.

    Wheelnut Says:
    May 27th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    Get over yourself

  • Cupid Stunt

    I reckon with skinny wheels added the driving dynamics would improve greatly. This model was never seriously floored (ha Ha) it’s just the folk that buy them.
    Oooh where is TP, we all miss him so much.

  • SteveH

    I think that we all know that as soon as there is an article about Toyota, Holden or Ford and to a lesser extent Lexus, there will be a million posts from people giving their views on the car in question. It just seems, from my viewpoint, that there are a lot more Toyota haters on this website. Each side is guilty of rubishing the oppositions make but there seems to be a lot more hate aimed at the Toyota guys. (Mind you some of the 3,000 word cut and pasted essays in this articles responses are a bit trying)

    If we could all stop the ‘this car is rubbish but I have never been or driven one responses from each Ford, Holden or Toyota responses, we would all be able to get a lot more ADVICE from people who actually have some personal experience of these cars.

    Wheelnut, a salesmans job is to sell an item. I don’t know how many items they would sell if they rubbished the car based on your opinion. Underpowered? Its got more power than the other locally built sixes. Poorly equipped? Compared to what? A significantly more expensive Calais or G6E? I think you are the one who appear to need to get over themself.

  • Wheelnut

    SteveH – my comment about the salesman saying that the Aurion is underpowered or poorly equipped was merely a hypothetical worst case scenario as to what could happen if a car salesman actually told their customers what they think about the car – that is gave their opinion.. just as most of us do on this website.

    I mean most people who have been to a motorshow actually know more about what the car can do and its features etc then the people who are their to promote the car.

    Because unlike the Car Enthusiasts who go tho these shows and read about cars from various sources etc there are a number of sales people who don’t know anything about the product [or even their oppositions products] other than what it says in the Brochure / Media Release..

    That was my point

  • Another Toyota Recall

    SteveH says “It just seems, from my viewpoint, that there are a lot more Toyota haters on this website. Each side is guilty of rubishing the oppositions make but there seems to be a lot more hate aimed at the Toyota guys.”

    You sure,I think you need to take those rose coloured glasses off mate and read the dribble and insults that come from your tribe!

    Any GM,Holden or Ford thread seems to be over run with these clowns.I think the arguments on this blog are no where as insulting from the opposing sides .

    quote “Argus Says:
    February 16th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    The Crapodore won’t survive as not even the yanks want such a crapbox. Pontiac have sold how many of these outdated, overrated heaps of sh*t

    EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!

    Your day is nearing Holden, down you go with the rest of the sinking ship.

    quote ” Dan Says:
    February 16th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    Lol! Holden is indeed a Daewoo importer. Regardless, better have a Dunnydoor and Daewoo models in its lineup, than only the Dunnydoor on its own. Either way, it’s bad news for Holden. Curious how it will affect HSV, given all their LS engines are developed by GM. They might have to go back to their prehistoric 180 kw 5 litre dinosaur lol! Hopefully they won’t lay off staff and continue going. Maybe without the yank tank and Daewoo influence their quality will actually improve later on, so could be a blessing in disguise… either way, there’s enough loyal Holden fans out there to sustain Dunnydoor sales for now.

    quote ” D1ngo Says:
    February 16th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    RoFlmaTic – go ahead, it ain’t my car … CLOWN !!

    Saleslady – who is the weakest, obvious … GM !!

    Ooooow … theres that warm and fuzzy feeling again

    Go ahead Alborz, delete your heartout. I couldn’t careless because at the end of the day we all know General Motors is a complete f*ck up

    It seems Loose Wheelnut is not in the mood with his stupid pro Holden propaganda all of a sudden. Gee … i wonder why.

    Maybe because Holden is aboout to go the wall with GM … Oooooch !!

    HA, HA, H””

    quote ”

    Yeah they are all warm loving comments coming from Toyota fans SteveH . Thing is 2 off those idiots have been banned now from this site,so you still think us Holden and Ford fans are the main culprits ? Oh yeah TP, where did he go, another extremist.

  • Wheelnut

    Anyway its not always the salesman who actually sells the car.. In a number of cases you will find [like most things] people bought the car they did because of :
    - its reputation or the reputation of the company or
    - reviews etc from friends family relatives and others who either own a similar current model or have owned previous models.

    Because most sensible/logical people have read various articles etc know what type of car they want [hatch sedan coupe ute cross over etc] not to mention what features they want and have a short list of a couple of contenders before they even venture into the showroom..
    The salesman merely helps provide the all important test-drive and answer any questions the customer might have.

    A really good product doesn’t need salesmen or marketing – after a while a really good product sells itself.

  • SteveH

    Wheelnut, my point was that you were saying through the hypothetical car salesman that the Aurion is a piece of outdated rubbish. The Aurion is not best in class, that is easily the FG Falcon, but its not that bad a car.

    I agree Wheelnut about the salesman not actually selling the car. I have never walked into a dealership unsure about a car and then had a salesman sway my opinion. I will do my research, narrow it down to cars that suit me and then go drive them and make my own mind up. I also agree that the majority of salesman have no idea about the cars they are selling, but I have met a couple.

    Toyota Recall, I said the insults flow both ways, they just seem to come from more people in the Toyota bashing column. I could have a go at cutting and pasting, but no matter what I or anyone else does, its not going to change anyones opinion on any of the car marques. Maybe you could have also cut and pasted the remarks that sparked off some of the comments above.

  • Another Toyota Recall

    Maybe I should have cut and paste those above SteveH but those above are still posting on this site 2 of the others on the GM blog are now deceased on this site from “extreme insults” Doesnt that tell you who are the extremists ?

  • Another Rubbish Ford Recall

    Im going to back to Fiesto’s earlier statement and I think Wheelnut has lost the plot.

    Did Tiesto or Fiesto mention anything about car salesman? What he suggests was to seek professional advice ie. reading books or test drive. Where the hell was Toyota car salesmen came from?

    Toyota Recall – go back to America dude that’s where Ford’s belong!

    Wheelnut Says:
    May 27th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
    Tiesto: Do you honestly believe that a professional Toyota car salesman is going to tell a potential customer the honest truth about the cars sitting in the showroom..that is do you think that they are going to say exactly what they themselves think about the car… something like:

    Tiesto Says:
    May 27th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
    Mature people will go out seek professional advice by reading books or test drive the cars so they can judge the cars better themselves. Ie. best large car of the year 2008 by RACV/NRMA/RACQ/etc. is Falcon, 2006 and 2007 is Aurion.

  • Tim

    BM SAID:

    “Hey Tim , whats wrong with coming on a Toyota thread and saying there is better alternatives out their than this Aurion . It seems they’re the ones the cant accept that the Ford FG is a better car for the same money :)”

    I’ll use your excuse…people can have different opinions! You think FG Falcon is better, some people think the VE is better, some people think the Aurion is better. Whats the problem with people having different opinions to YOU?

    In some ways, the Aurion is better than the Falcon and others the FG is better. Get over it, you are kinda no one to tell everyone that the FG is a better car.

    And you once again, you were one of the first ones to start bagging Toyota AGAIN…its because of you this post has reached 50+ comments. Its incredible how you have not been banned yet….must be the cheeky emails you send to the editors/writers of CA :P

  • Tim

    STEVE H WROTE:
    “I have never walked into a dealership unsure about a car and then had a salesman sway my opinion. I will do my research, narrow it down to cars that suit me and then go drive them and make my own mind up. I also agree that the majority of salesman have no idea about the cars they are selling, but I have met a couple.”

    Totally agree mate! I dont understand how some of these ‘salesmen’ get their jobs! Most of them just remember the equipment list (if at all) and thats it. An example I had a few months ago. Came into a Subaru dealership and asked if they had a used 6 cylinder Liberty on sale.

    The sellers response: “Uhhh mate, Subaru doesn’t make cars with 6 cylinders in them:

    Me: “Yes they do, its in the Outback and Liberty along with Tribeca. Don’t you know your own product?”

    Seller: “Mate, I know what im talking about”

    Me: Look at him and ask for the manager. The manager was mighty embarassed about his staff.

    I really dont know the point of this post lol, but to conclude – when buying a car, never listen to the salesmen lol. Most of the time they have no idea what they are on about.

  • The Greens

    Wow! What a great debate…

    What I can tell is Holden and Ford are a lot behind in car industry. Forget about who is the best. Jap car manufacturers now in war creating environmental friendly cars – Mitsu with electric car MieV, Honda with hybrid Insight, Toyota with their proud Prius and plan to build Hybrid Camry in Australia! YEAHHHH AUSTRALIA MATE!!! Something that we should be proud of.

    Ford and Holden?? Keep producing V8 cars with those CO2 polluting our air. Now they’re introducing Calais with Active Fuel Management system – shut V6 into V4 when idle or run slow – but guess what… Honda Accord has done it first last year.

    Australia, a country that desperate to catch up with their green environment but also a country that keep producing air polluting cars.

    Australia Post, a well respected company in Australia has ‘green scheme’ that dumped Ford as their fleet cars and signed up with Toyota last year with 3 line up: Prius, Corolla and Camry. Yes – its Camry – first 4cyl car build in Australia!

    AUSTRALIA POST ADOPTS HYBRID TECHNOLOGY FOR CAR FLEET

    Australia Post is planning to reduce its fuel bill and carbon emissions by switching its corporate car fleet to fuel-efficient Toyota vehicles, especially the hybrid Prius. One of Australia’s largest employers, Australia Post has close to 1,000 sedans, wagons and utes in its corporate fleet. It has signed a two-year contract to purchase vehicles from the Toyota range including Prius, Yaris, Corolla and Camry – all of which use less fuel and produce fewer emissions. Prius is rated at the top of the Federal Government’s Green Vehicle Guide with five stars. All Yaris models have four-star ratings, Corolla 3.5 or 4.5 stars and Camry 3.5 or 4 stars. In addition to the fleet deal, Australia Post managing director Graeme John has chosen a Prius for his personal car.

    Ford and Holden have to learn on how to produce environment friendly cars! Right now for our children!

  • MD-88

    “Andrew M Says:
    May 27th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
    MD-88
    Now, how many FG’s have you driven???”

    XT, G6, G6E, G6E Turbo, XR6 Turbo Ute and XR8 Sedan.

    Bar the XR8 they were all exceptional cars to drive, they felt lightyears ahead of the current VE Commodore offerings. The only generic complaint I had with the FG was the 6sp Auto equipped vehicles seemed to have more driveline noise.

    XR8 – way too heavy in the front end, awful to drive. And this is disappointing because I love big V8′s.

    And to tell you the truth mate, the reason I didn’t read through to see just who had actually driven the car was because I got through a handful of rubbish posts and simply couldn’t be bothered reading any more.

  • DesignEngr

    Greens,(or whoever else you want to be today)

    Too many innacuracies in your rant to even be considered worthy of a detailed reply.
    What a worthless post that was – I hope you didn’t kill off too many brains cells writting it, ’cause it’s obvious that you don’t have any to spare.

  • nobody

    No doubt in general Toyota make bland cars, especially to most ppl here because well we’re generally driving enthusiasts. But really, there are more ppl out there who just want a decent/safe car to get from A to B, doesn’t cost much to run and service and is easy to live with. They don’t give a damn too much about handling, how exciting it is and so forth.

    This is where Toyota comes in. They don’t make cars that will make you drop your pants but they do make a good product. Despite the drop in sales, they’re still number 1 here and keep alot of aussies employed.

    I’ve been in one of these and while it’s not my cup of cake I found it quite comfortable and quiet overall. It certainly not boring like a Camry, though it won’t win awards for fun either. I can understand why people would buy this car. It’s not the load of crap for sure.

    As for Drive.com comparisons, I find that they rather err towards cars that are abit safer and more friendly to own (not that there’s anything wrong that). Just like how they rated RX best overall Luxury SUV and TTS over M3?

  • Phill

    Well put Nobody.

  • The Greens

    In which aspect of my comment was inaccurate?

    DesignEngr Says:
    May 28th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Too many innacuracies in your rant to even be considered worthy of a detailed reply.
    What a worthless post that was – I hope you didn’t kill off too many brains cells writting it, ’cause it’s obvious that you don’t have any to spare.

  • The Greens

    DesignEngr – I may have killed too many of my brain cells writing this but obviously you don’t have brains at all.

  • DesignEngr

    Greens/Ding0
    don’t be fool!
    Who do you think designs the technology that helps with your mental defficiencies?

  • Wheelnut

    Tiesto said that people shoud go iut and seek professional advice.. and as I doubt that very few of us know or are friends with a recognised motoring journalist – the next best place is the local car dealership which is where you will find car salesman,,

    As I have said and as Tim has shown [with his comment about his experience at a Subaru dealer] there are a number of car salesman who don’t know the features specifications or performance etc of their product; or their rivals as well as most car enthusiasts.. they only know what the company tells them..

    I mean very few car salesmen [except for the dealer principal] own a car similar to the ones they sell

    Which is why I said that your not going to get what you would call accurate or impartial advice from your average car salesman – your best off talking to those who have driven them for longer than a week or have actually owned one.. as they don’t get paid to say good things about them

  • The Greens

    Does it mean you’re brainless with mental defficiencies and driving a fridge on wheels? LOL

  • Another Rubbish Ford Recall

    DesignEngr

    The Greens got point there stupid! – you go f yourself and eat your own sh!t. Someone people with real defficiencies won’t respect you with your idiotic comment!!!

  • Wheelnut

    The Greens said: Ford and Holden?? Keep producing V8 cars with those CO2 polluting our air. Now they’re introducing Calais with Active Fuel Management system – shut V6 into V4 when idle or run slow – but guess what… Honda Accord has done it FIRST last year.

    Aah I think you will find that Chrysler actually had a similar system to Holdens AFM a couple of years ago – before the Honda Accord it was known as Displacement on Demand and it featured on the Magnum/300C.. so the Japanese weren’t the FIRST to introduce such fuel saving technology

  • Tomas79

    Wheelnut Says: “so the Japanese weren’t the FIRST to introduce such fuel saving technology”

    Obviously, a race issue for you wheelnut!!

  • nobody

    Not really sure Active Fuel Management and similar systems really do save much fuel. The Accords drink almost the same amount of fuel as the Mondeo and Mazda 6. The difference hardly makes much of a significant issue. No need to say more about the Holdens.

    Start stop engines do seem abit more effective in fuel management.

  • The Greens

    Wheelnut – I was talking about Australia market.

    Honda has Civic and Insight hybrids. Toyota has Prius hybrid and soon Camry hybrid Oz built. And they’re all in production for Australia.

    And what do Holden/Ford offer?

  • The Greens

    Well I gotta give credit to Calais adopting AFM system and Ford start implement V8 in 4cyl machine. Good effort – although they should adopting hybrid/electric to survive in car industry. Volt is a good start for GM but I heard Obama has cut the budget for it?

  • DesignEngr

    Greens/ARFR
    Anyone with any knowledge knows that your sprouting rubbish. I don’t need to correct all of your factual errors.

    Multiple names to support your own areguments are pathetic BTW.

    Off topic abuse should be reported and deleted.

  • Wilfred

    Some of you guys are real kids. The article is about a car that have value added features in a limited release.

    If you think the car is boring move one and build a bridge. Can’t wait for a Falcon S Pack or Commodore Lumina post!

  • Another Rubbish Ford Recall

    DesignEngr – Your big mouth with no brains not sure if you have already gone f yourself and eat your own sh$t. If not they you should do it now!

  • eh179driver

    Tiesto, the reason I had to wait so long to trade out of the Aurion was because it would have cost me too much money to break a lease.
    Lukass, if you do in fact work for Toyota as you say you do, then you will know that ALL Toyotas in the south East of Melbourne go to one Toyota service centre for Auto trans work. It is the ONLY dealership authorised to carry out Toyota auto trans work.
    As to all the other problems I experianced, well they are NOT one off’s with Aurions. The so called anti rattle kit (basically bits of foam and a few new clips) did NOT fix all of the rattles and squeaks in the car. This so called kit was not even available when I purchased my car. To add insult to injury, the dealership damaged the A pilar on one of the many dash out days, then tried to deny it. It was eventualy replaced. Any way. Thankfully the car is long gone and I no longer care. The only good thing to come out of it is driving my VE Sportswagon continues to be a joy.

  • Happy And Dumb

    I like Aurions.

  • Dumb and Happy

    I hate Aurions.

  • Classy boy

    Guys this is my favourite car of all from cars like camry , mazda 6 ,and others and i would recommend for all those people who like fast cars for racing ,and other things .I think this car would make ur dreams come true for performance ,realibility and safety because it is a toyota and give all those holden Commodore a bum kick and test drive these beauty u never expected .Trust me

    • Golfschwein

      Goodness!

  • Ben Looking

    I’ve been looking to upgrade my car and wanting another V6. I don’t have a problems with FWD cars so that was not an issue. The cars I have been looking at have been two or three years old. The first car I looked at was an Aurion, and I didn’t even test drive it. I’ve since been looking at and driving a few Commodores and Mazda 6′s which are very nice. Today I took another Aurion ATX for a test drive and tomorrow I’m going back to buy it.

    • george

      Good on you Ben. I am buying a a Aurion Special Edition tomorrow myself.

      • John

        I’m with u Ben! Have just ordered Touring SE Aurion, should be delivered late March-cant wait! Looked at Mondeo Zetec hatch, lovely car but the best one the diesel is too exxy @ nearly $40K. Petrol model with old mazda 2.3 is too underpowered. If they had the ecotec engine like in Europe might get one next time.

  • tom

    Id rather be bored with an AURION than be caught dead in westy mobile like falcon or crumbldore.IVE owned both and have had too many problems with these dinosaurs.Now my AURION has 150000kms on it and still feels like new.My ford had its water pump go at 60000..NOT THE AURION. ITS A QUALITY CAR COMPARED TO THE OTHER RUBBISH.YOU LIVE AND LEARN.