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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/3147/ancap-crash-test-result-analysis/#comment-91705</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Something which I find scary when you watch these head
&gt;&gt;on impacts is that they are only travelling at 60km/h
&gt;&gt;into a stationary wall and you can see the extensive 
&gt;&gt;damage, in a real life situation if you were to have a 
&gt;&gt;head on in a 60 zone the combined impact speed is 
&gt;&gt;actually 120km/h (

This is  not correct, since the car coming towards you is not as stron as a wall. If case of an heavy truck you might be right.

So, for the more robust car, the impact spead will be comparable to a lesser speed against a wall, and for the &quot;softer&quot; car the impact speed compared to a wall will be higher.

Ever noticed how little the big trucks get damaged in accidents with cars?

So if you want to crash into something, choose a small car to run into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Something which I find scary when you watch these head<br />
&gt;&gt;on impacts is that they are only travelling at 60km/h<br />
&gt;&gt;into a stationary wall and you can see the extensive<br />
&gt;&gt;damage, in a real life situation if you were to have a<br />
&gt;&gt;head on in a 60 zone the combined impact speed is<br />
&gt;&gt;actually 120km/h (</p>
<p>This is  not correct, since the car coming towards you is not as stron as a wall. If case of an heavy truck you might be right.</p>
<p>So, for the more robust car, the impact spead will be comparable to a lesser speed against a wall, and for the &#8220;softer&#8221; car the impact speed compared to a wall will be higher.</p>
<p>Ever noticed how little the big trucks get damaged in accidents with cars?</p>
<p>So if you want to crash into something, choose a small car to run into.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/3147/ancap-crash-test-result-analysis/#comment-75398</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 12:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Jason on this one!

These results are a complete crock - I&#039;ll tell you why....  I&#039;m interested in getting a new car for my family to ride around in and I&#039;m concerned about safety. So when I go looking for a new car I wouldn&#039;t even consider a car that didn&#039;t come with ABS, ESP and curtain airbags. So what cars do I look for - large Aussie cars (Commodore, Falcon, Aurion) that are spec&#039;d with these things, yet when I try to find results on cars that are spec&#039;d with the safety pack, they are nowhere to be found.  Instead you can only find apples and oranges comparisons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Jason on this one!</p>
<p>These results are a complete crock &#8211; I&#8217;ll tell you why&#8230;.  I&#8217;m interested in getting a new car for my family to ride around in and I&#8217;m concerned about safety. So when I go looking for a new car I wouldn&#8217;t even consider a car that didn&#8217;t come with ABS, ESP and curtain airbags. So what cars do I look for &#8211; large Aussie cars (Commodore, Falcon, Aurion) that are spec&#8217;d with these things, yet when I try to find results on cars that are spec&#8217;d with the safety pack, they are nowhere to be found.  Instead you can only find apples and oranges comparisons.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Erin...&lt;/strong&gt;

Wow, nice blog....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Erin&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Wow, nice blog&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gemma Ward Picture</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/3147/ancap-crash-test-result-analysis/#comment-47251</link>
		<dc:creator>Gemma Ward Picture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Gemma Ward Picture...&lt;/strong&gt;

Man i love reading your blog, interesting posts !...</description>
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<p>Man i love reading your blog, interesting posts !&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Personal Loans Unsecured</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/3147/ancap-crash-test-result-analysis/#comment-45694</link>
		<dc:creator>Personal Loans Unsecured</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 05:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: link</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/3147/ancap-crash-test-result-analysis/#comment-41881</link>
		<dc:creator>link</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;greatings...&lt;/strong&gt;

wonderful...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>greatings&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>wonderful&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SP</title>
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		<dc:creator>SP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for anyone that wants to know about the scoring system and testing procedures, the information is all publicly available on the ANCAP site (google is your friend).

You can read the assessment notes here:
http://ancap.com.au/uploaded-media/protocol-papers/ANCAP_assessment_notes_Mar07.pdf

The minimum point score for a 5 star result is 32.5, so even if both Holden and Toyota has scored the maximum 2 points for the pole test, neither would have passed the 32.5 point mark.

Don&#039;t buy into the spin, I really doubt Holden and Toyota were &quot;trying to make a point&quot;. It is far more likely that they knew what their result were well before the ANCAP tests and therefore knew that the result of the pole test would have made no impact upon their final star rating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for anyone that wants to know about the scoring system and testing procedures, the information is all publicly available on the ANCAP site (google is your friend).</p>
<p>You can read the assessment notes here:<br />
<a href="http://ancap.com.au/uploaded-media/protocol-papers/ANCAP_assessment_notes_Mar07.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://ancap.com.au/uploaded-media/protocol-papers/ANCAP_assessment_notes_Mar07.pdf</a></p>
<p>The minimum point score for a 5 star result is 32.5, so even if both Holden and Toyota has scored the maximum 2 points for the pole test, neither would have passed the 32.5 point mark.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t buy into the spin, I really doubt Holden and Toyota were &#8220;trying to make a point&#8221;. It is far more likely that they knew what their result were well before the ANCAP tests and therefore knew that the result of the pole test would have made no impact upon their final star rating.</p>
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		<title>By: SP</title>
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		<dc:creator>SP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Both Toyota and Holden have publicated stated they do not agree with the optional nature (and cost) of the pole test and refuse to take part. Hence the Aurion and Commodore fail to receive 5 stars.&quot;

That&#039;s quite interesting. I&#039;m sure that if Holden or Toyota knew that their car was capable of scoring a 5 star result then they would have coughed up a little extra cash to conduct the test. 

I find it hard to believe that a car company that spent over a billion dollars on development refused to pay for one crash test that could have handed them a significant market advantage just out of principle. 

I&#039;d suggest that it&#039;s more likely that both Holden and Toyota knew from there own testing that even if they had scored full marks for the optional pole test then they still would not have achieved a 5 star result.

Check the scores:
Toyota Aurion 30.03 out of 37
Holden VE Commodore 27.45 out of 37

Even if both cars had scored the maximum 2 points for the optional pole test it&#039;s unlikely either of them would have cracked 5 stars. The SAAB 9-5 (LHD) (2004) was the lowest scoring 5 star car I found on a quick search of the howsafeisyourcar site and it scored 32.56 of 37. Unless anyone knows otherwise it looks like you&#039;d need 32.5 of 37 as the minimum to crack 5 stars.

Geez, that was a novel, sorry, but I&#039;d hate for anyone to &quot;draw inaccurate conclusions&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Both Toyota and Holden have publicated stated they do not agree with the optional nature (and cost) of the pole test and refuse to take part. Hence the Aurion and Commodore fail to receive 5 stars.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s quite interesting. I&#8217;m sure that if Holden or Toyota knew that their car was capable of scoring a 5 star result then they would have coughed up a little extra cash to conduct the test. </p>
<p>I find it hard to believe that a car company that spent over a billion dollars on development refused to pay for one crash test that could have handed them a significant market advantage just out of principle. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest that it&#8217;s more likely that both Holden and Toyota knew from there own testing that even if they had scored full marks for the optional pole test then they still would not have achieved a 5 star result.</p>
<p>Check the scores:<br />
Toyota Aurion 30.03 out of 37<br />
Holden VE Commodore 27.45 out of 37</p>
<p>Even if both cars had scored the maximum 2 points for the optional pole test it&#8217;s unlikely either of them would have cracked 5 stars. The SAAB 9-5 (LHD) (2004) was the lowest scoring 5 star car I found on a quick search of the howsafeisyourcar site and it scored 32.56 of 37. Unless anyone knows otherwise it looks like you&#8217;d need 32.5 of 37 as the minimum to crack 5 stars.</p>
<p>Geez, that was a novel, sorry, but I&#8217;d hate for anyone to &#8220;draw inaccurate conclusions&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^

Lol true... its good they exist for a laugh, but yeah I dont think he would take anything in, you tell for example Holden bogans that the Commodore is not the most powerful car in its segment and they still deny it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^</p>
<p>Lol true&#8230; its good they exist for a laugh, but yeah I dont think he would take anything in, you tell for example Holden bogans that the Commodore is not the most powerful car in its segment and they still deny it!</p>
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		<title>By: Damo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give the &quot;it&quot; a brake now Paul.  Since when does a Bogan like &quot;it&quot; heard of a work like &quot;passive&quot; or even &quot;safety&quot; to say the least.  Seriously, like this dumbass would know what a crumple zone is, and how they disperse energy for minimal impact.  With me, it has gotten to a point where I don&#039;t bother explainging myself to bogans because that is the reason they are bogans.  Hence, why would you want them to be a normal member of society.  Without &quot;bogans&quot; such as G.H., what sort of people would I be able to payout, for their shoes, the intelligence, cars, or the latter.  Pay him out, just don&#039;t teach him anything.  Not that he would actually take anything in; you still need to take precautions, buddy. LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give the &#8220;it&#8221; a brake now Paul.  Since when does a Bogan like &#8220;it&#8221; heard of a work like &#8220;passive&#8221; or even &#8220;safety&#8221; to say the least.  Seriously, like this dumbass would know what a crumple zone is, and how they disperse energy for minimal impact.  With me, it has gotten to a point where I don&#8217;t bother explainging myself to bogans because that is the reason they are bogans.  Hence, why would you want them to be a normal member of society.  Without &#8220;bogans&#8221; such as G.H., what sort of people would I be able to payout, for their shoes, the intelligence, cars, or the latter.  Pay him out, just don&#8217;t teach him anything.  Not that he would actually take anything in; you still need to take precautions, buddy. LOL.</p>
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