Fog Light Fury
June 11, 2007 by Paul Maric
I’ve had this boxed up inside me for some time now and it can’t remain any longer, I have to share with everyone my Fog Light Fury.
Most middle of the range cars now come with fog lights, along with a bucket load of DIY maestros who fit their own fog lights, caring little about their alignment and positioning.
During total daylight, without even an ounce of darkness, you are likely to find no less that one in five people driving with their fog lights on – that’s according to my personal day-to-day tally. Unbeknown to the driver, their fog lights are pissing me – and quite a few other road users – right off. Is there any logic whatsoever in using your fog lights during the day, or even during the night when there is absolutely NO fog around? Absolutely not.
Drivers that have mis-aligned fog lights manage to get at me the most, surely if they knew how bloody annoying and dangerous their showboating attempt was, they would realise that there is absolutely no logic in the use of their fog lights. Earlier model Subaru WRXs, along with VT-VZ Commodores must be the worst offenders, every single one of them – with fog lights on – seems to have their fog lights aligned directly at oncoming traffic.
And then there are rear fog lights…Hyundai Excels anyone? Rear fog lights are the bane of all evil and should not – under any circumstances – be operated during conditions where there is no fog! Surely drivers of these offending vehicles wonder what the little red fog light symbol on their dashboard means?! Unbeknown to them, they are irritating the absolute crap out of everyone else. They are subtle enough not to stand out at first, but the second you notice them, your eyes don’t drift away until they’re gone.
My rant does serve a purpose. It is in fact illegal to operate fog lights and rear fog lights during conditions where there is no fog. Unfortunately, Police are always too busy doing other things, opposed to booking serial offenders who think their fog lights somehow impress other drivers.
So next time your finger goes for that fog light switch – STOP. Because you are annoying the crap out of every other motorist on the road.
- Paul Maric
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Im on the road as much as anyone else and cant say ive really noticed this problem. Im sure they are out there though.
I agree with everything you just vented.
And I’m not defending people with fog lights in operation when there isn’t any fog, but I’ve met two people in the past that have had fog lights on and had no idea they even had them in the first place.
One person was at a petrol station. I was filling up and they were returning to their car, a fairly new model that had foggies and the lights turned on when they blipped the key-fob to unlock the doors. The driver of the car commented to their mate as they opened the door “geez those lights are bright aye… better to be seen.”
I put the handle back into the bowser and leaned over and said “you know, there’s a switch for those lights, they’re only useful in the fog and they piss drivers in front of you, both oncoming and in the same direction”.
Cheers
Steve
I have never found them to be an issue. During daylight their brightness is drowned out by sunlight, and during night driving it is common knowledge not to look into the head lights of oncoming cars, regardless of whether or not the fog lights are on. By nature they are a low beam which in my opinion does not effect other drivers.
I think when it comes to headlight annoyances, 4WD’s are the culprits. Their high-mounted headlights are a constant annoyance and provide a very real danger to motorists as their beams are projected at eye-level, and unlike fog lights – which may only pose a momentary issue whilst coming toward you, and are not an issue from traffic behind – 4WD lights are a constant issue regardless of which direction they are going. Standards should be introduced to prevent the installation of headlights beyond a certain height as in my opinion they pose a far greater risk than fog lights.
Yes, its the “don’t I look cool front fog lights” I’ve been blinded by many ute drivers who dim their main lights but have the front fogs going.
Some cars are worse than others, but once again lack of public awarness doesn’t help.
I am in NZ and we have the same problem here. A lot of people drive with headlights (dip) or fog lights on for safety on our terrible roads during the day which is understandable (however the traffic Police in their wisdom have now decided to start issuing tickets to people using lights during the day. Another revenue gathering tactic when people are just trying to increase their visibility to avoid getting collected by some inattentive driver).
But it is at night when these turkeys cause the real annoyance even in the built up areas. However lets be honest the foglights you refer to are not real foglights.
I have a VY S fitted with the SS ‘foglights’. These are in fact a driving light as they have a clear lens (not yellow) and they do not direct the light low enough to be classed a fog light. They are also wired incorrectly so that they can be used at all times the lights are on including when main beam is operational.
The ‘foglights’ should automatically extinguish when main beam is selected at the least, and preferably when dip is selected. My brother has a VN SS with factory foglights and they are wired so that the fog lights only operate when park lights are on, or main beam is selected (obviously no traffic coming towards you at that time) – dip will not operate when the foglights are on.
As for the clowns who use the the rear foglights. Obviously they have never followed anyone with them on. They are very distracting and even camouflage the brake lights when they come on.
It’s like hey I have and extra switch and bulbs in my car – Look at me!!!!!
People need to read their owners manual and raod code a bit more often to understand their vehicle and the road rules around light operation.
Good one George,
Everything evil is to be found on 4WD
But you’re OK with Vans, Trucks, and Buses no doubt.
I have been driving for 40 years now, and have NEVER had a problem with 4WD lights, or trucks, or buses.
I do object to fog lights though, especially the dweebs who swap them for 100w spotlights and aim them while affected by drugs and/or alcohol so they can act as aeroplane spotters.
I have no issues at all from fog lights… I dont know where this article is coming from, and I dont even have foglights so Im not biased!
QUOTE = Unbeknown to the driver, their fog lights are pissing me – and quite a few other road users – right off. Is there any logic whatsoever in using your fog lights during the day, or even during the night when there is absolutely NO fog around? Absolutely not.
ACTUALLY I have read in the past that some cars have daytime lights, like they are really dim, and supposedly statistics show it reduces crashes!
Here:
“The effectiveness of daytime lights in reducing accidents has been proven by research in a number of countries, including Canada, the USA, Finland, and Sweden. The systems have been shown to reduce multiple vehicle collisions by as much as 32 per cent. Finland was the first to make their use mandatory in 1972. Sweden followed suit in 1977.” – http://www.drivers.com/article/000000322
and
“50 percent of all accidents at junctions during the day are caused by not seeing other road users in time. As a solution to the problem, experts recommend switching on the low-beam headlights during the day or the use of additional daytime driving lights. When the low-beam headlights are switched on by the light sensor or rain sensor, the daytime driving lights remain on but are dimmed to the brightness of side lights.” – http://www.audi.co.uk/audi/uk/.....ights.html
There are many more articles both for and against, but there is a reason for why people have their lights on (apart from tools who want to look ‘cool’ by having them on).
I do A LOT of driving and I notice people using fog lights during the day. During the day I find it odd to be using headlights at all, except on freeways. I’m in VIC but in WA it is law to drive with headlights on on the freeways at any time. Outside of being odd I have no problem with fog lights on during the day or at night. The misaligned ones are annoying but for the most part I like them, they look good at night. I drive a 380 Platinum and I am guilty of using them all the time. They do help illuminate the road. My problem is with those that are brighter than the actual headlights, they are dazzling but for the most part I like them. Funny just how many people have built up rage against fog lights.
Some of the problem is that they don’t reset themselves. In a BMW etc you have to press the foglight button every time you start the car but in a Hyundai, the button stays active until you turn it off again.
I think we would have less use if you had to press the button every time you started the car !
I think you’re a bit confused.
Aren’t fog lights mostly yellow, The light’s you are talking about are driving lights.
With regard to you being annoyed with them, I’m sorry but driving lights fitted by OEMs are legal and provide better visibility.
I used to own two WRXs in the past and found their standard headlights were not very powerful, therefore I used the driving lights to provide better visibility.
I’m all up for getting cars off the road that have DIY fitted driving lights as they most likely will be misaligned.
Cheers.
I drive a WRX and i have to admit, my fog lights are on permanently :)
i believe that fog lights and normal lights during the day, increase visibility and might reduce my chances of an accident.
in saying that though, the yellow fog lights (e.g. S13 silvias) really shit me off! There is never any fog here in QLD so all fog lights are next to useless really.. but as big vix said, cars with foglights tend to have ordinary head lights.
This is a very confussing subject as each state has different rules on them. Driving lights and Fog lights are different and yes I also thought that Fog lights were yellow but it seems manufactures give them different names ????????????? I understand that driving light come on when you turn your headlights on Fog lights are an extra switch??? Also been told driving lights not illegal to have durring day ? But then RAC here in W.A say they must be contected to high beam so they can be turned off when lights are dipped,And some car manufactures call them this so purchasers can use them. Holdens I have been told call them driving lights in their service books?? No idea don’t know anyone who owns one to get them to check.
This is what RAC SAY ON THEM HERE.
Extra driving lights
You can fit two extra driving lights to the front of the vehicle. They can’t be any higher than 1.4 metres from the ground. They must show a white light only and project a main beam in front of the vehicle.
You may fit one extra driving light in line with the centre of the vehicle.
The additional lights must extinguish when the headlamps are dipped and they must be capable of being extinguished separately.
Fog lights
You may fit two fog lights of equal power to the front of the vehicle at equidistance from the centre line of the vehicle and an equal height from the ground. The centres of the lamps must be not less than 600 millimetres apart.
Or you may fit one fog light in the centre of the vehicle with 2 lamps of a power not exceeding 7 watts, symmetrically fitted to the front of the vehicle, at an equal height from the ground and not less than 1.1 metres apart.
The fog lamp should be capable of showing a white or amber light, the beam must be deflected downwards or both downwards and to the left. The centre of the fog light should be no higher than the centre of any headlamp or alternative lamp (extra driving light) fitted.
The fog light can only be used under abnormal weather conditions (Fog, mist or conditions of restricted visibility) and cannot be used with any other lamp exceeding 7 watts.
If a single fog light is alight then it must be used with two lights not exceeding 7 watts.
Slight over reaction on your behalf, Gerhard Petersen. I believe I did refer to headlights as being the issue with 4WD’s, and was the only flaw I pointed out – a far cry from condemning them as evil.
In case you haven’t noticed in your forty long years of driving, most vans do have low-mounted headlights for the very reason I explained which is why I did not refer to them. Truck and bus drivers can be included, however with such a heavy payload they usually have better sense then to tail gate close enough for them to be a problem.
To be totally honest I don’t care if you have never had a problem – because I have, and thats my opinion.
I am with you Alborz, one would think it’s common sense to have them on . As soon as it rains mine are on and I just plead ignorant if I get pulled over. I don’t think there any brighter than some of head lights now available . If on the open road I have them on all the time and if I get some wanker on my tail I put the rear one on too that makes them back off fast!!!!!! Only if there on my tail though!!!
I personally would love to smash every single light that is used when not called for.
What some fail to realise is that as you get older, bright lights become more of a problem.
So that means that all these retards with their ‘look, I’m a moron’ lights on are actually doing is making it LESS safe for others.
Note to the police, start booking these fucktards will you please.
I’m ready to smashin……
It’s not only retards in Hyundai’s. I see a lot of Subarus and Euro cars with Rear Foglights on and they are totally F##kin useless.
Can’t you retards see the light on your dashboard that screams FOGLIGHT ?
As has been highlighted, statistics suggest having fog lights and the like on during the day can reduce crashes. As for being older and light somehow having an effect, get your hand off it, the light emmitted from fogs etc is drowned out by the sun… if its having that much of an effect on you then you shouldnt be driving as at night the glare must totally blind you!!! Great logic ‘me of course’.
Yep I know mine are on ,because if people are blinded by normal lights at night when their OLD!!!!! they shouldn’t be driving anyway. Once again how does it make it less safe when there on, you can’t see to start with at night??? There obviously not usless if there giving you grief!!! I am keeping mine on for people that cant see in the dark now !!!!!! Funny thing is in the country when its a long weekend and their trying to keep the road toll down they advise you to put your lights on . WHAT THE????????? Last time I got pulled up the Police man for having Fog lights on he said he has a WRX that he also had the FOG lights on in it even though but knows your not meant to have them on ,OK……..
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Yes good point there are roads that actually have signs saying put your lights on! Here in NSW one such road is ‘Appin Road’, on the outskirts of Sydney it has claimed a few lives over the years… the fact they say put your lights on is further evidence it must reduce the chance of crashing! (Forgetting the stats of course which paint a clear picture!)
Rear foglights are the worst! As for the regular ones, in the 380, the can only be turned on when the parkers or full headlights are on and have to be turned on everytime even if you have used the “follow me home” thing where the headlights stay on for a set time after you get out and lock the car. And they are foglights not driving lights, get a new car brochure and check.
i remember seeing on one of those electronic sign boards (the kind you see on motorways mainly) that foglights must only be used in “adverse weather conditions” or there is a fine of $75. i’m assuming that’s for fog lights only though and not normal driving lights.
Sorry, I can’t see the difference between mis-aligned fog/driving lights and mis-aligned normal headlights – save for the obvious fact headlights are brighter and therefore more likely to result in upsetting other drivers. Why then do police supposedly target (factory fitted) foglights over mis-aligned ‘normal’ lights? Why the distinction?
As far as I’m aware, and others have pointed out, you *should* drive with lights on during the day, particularly in the country. Here in WA we have signs saying “headlights save lives” so I’m a bit lost as to how the police can issue an infringement if you’ve got any sort of front light on?
My 2 cent’s worth.
Yes, daytime running lights (DRL) save lives. They are mandatory in Canada, and certain other Scandinavian countries. But they are lower wattage than the normal low beams. You can see the difference when you turn on the low beam headlights. They actually get brighter going from DRL to low beam headlights. So no problems if certain people want to use their fog or driving lights as a form of DRL.
But nighttime is a different matter.
Personally I am fairly ambivalent regarding front fog or driving lights at night. I don’t use them, but as long as they are low and not too bright, I can tolerate them. But following the logic of certain posters above, if ‘more light is better’ why not run will all guns blazing at night??? Because it dazzles oncoming drivers, that’s why. So more watts is not always better at night.
As for rear fog lights, I think they should be banned in Australia. The new Z4 is particularly nasty with TWIN rear fog lights. They are so bright they actually overpower the rear brake lights. The next time you are doing 120kph in the fog and worried about someone ramming up your backside, feel free to use them. Otherwise they should not be used in urban driving. I drive a Territory which is renown for particularly bright high beams (see George’s post above), so I make it a point of ‘returning the favour’ when I come up behind an ignorant or intentional driver with rear fogs on.
So be warned, if you drive with rear fog lights on (anytime!) be prepared to see high beams in your mirrors or someone get in front of you then turn on their rear fog lights…
What is REALLY frustrating is where people drive with the REAR fog lights on and no front driving or fog lights on! Did they hit the wrong switch? Is it on purpose?
Can I claim being blinded by rear fog lights and not seeing rear brake lights as an excuse for ramming into someone at a stoplight? Similar to having no tail lights, it can actually be the person IN FRONT’s fault…
Smokin’R32 where have you been driving lately and how do you do so and survive with your eyes closed or blinkers on, i too agree this problem is beyond a joke, here in brisbane anyway, and cannot for the life of me work out who they are trying to impress, you cant see your own lights when your driving, who can afford to keep replacing the bulbs (lost count how many cars ive seen driving around with only ONE fog light working) And I too DONT use them as i am aware of the law regarding the use of FOG LIGHTS and annoyed at how distracting they can be especially dawn and dusk. When can we have a set of national road rules to go with our SO called national licenses and why dont we do the short form of driver educational tv advertisments that i used to so often see on tv as a kid, the ones about overtaking correctly & keeping left unless overtaking & seat belts save lives and so on, there were more, just cant remember all of them.Who else remembers those ?, i think they must have some impact until the federal government makes US ALL have at least five yearly written test for the road rules, no pass, no licence till you do.MAybe this would remove some of the dickheadery from our roads and make us all better and more informed road users.
I use my fog lights at night all the time. They throw like out to the side very well. If they are adjusted properly they don’t dazzle other drivers.
I tend to think this is what I call the mobile phone syndrome,remember the amount of whining you used to hear about mobile phone use any where. Now nearly everybody has one it has stopped.MMMMMMM
Yes YOBPOM, that is true, but like log fights mobile phones are also illegal to use whilst driving if you arent using a hands free, i dont know how many car, truck and even b – double drivers i see every day using mobile phones WITHOUT the use of a handsfree, and i see that as quite dangerous. And i agree with some of the comments that fogs lights too are dangerous to the point of dazzling on coming drivers, they are illegal to use in the way you use them if there is no fog, i find mine are the same in providing very good side vision,and are adjusted correctly but i dont use them unless there IS fog or adverse conditions like heavy rain etc, as the point is, it IS illegal and for good reason. The police will not accept “oh sorry i didnt know they were illegal” as an exceuse for not being fined as ignorance is no excuse.
Each of us has their oppinion i guess though.
OK, despite the prejudice rantings above regarding front ‘fog / driving’ lights i can not find anywhere in the australian road rules where it says you can only have them on if its foggy.
I drive a 4WD and actually have my front ‘fog’ lights set to come on when the headlights come on. This helps imensely with ‘near’ lighting due to the height of the headlights.
I have heared a policeman on the radio say its ok but i have also seen an off duty policeman whinge at someone for having them on. So no clarity there.
Personally i couldnt care if pimply WRX hoon has them on, as long as they are adjusted correctly, and yes, on a WRX they do look cool :-)
If theyre not blinding you and you still have an issue.. get over it and move on before you die worrying.
I am afraid fog lights are a sign of the self over community attitude of today. It doesn’t matter how dazzeling, distracting and dangerous they are to anyone else and their families, just so long as they THINK that they and their family are safer. Personally I like to make them even safer when they are behind me, I drop 20 below the speed limit. This generally moves them closer behind thus masking the lights with your boot, plus gives them incentive to overtake and annoy someone else.
Why is the road toll so high ???? Wrong question!!!!! How is the toll so low, given the attitude,expertise and logic of the majority of drivers.
Oh deary – no wonder we have such a high incidence of dopey driver problems when most of the pro-foggers can’t find the rules or don’t know them or don’t want toknow them! And the crappy excuses about whether a fog light is yellow or white – they can be either. Here in WA our road traffic authorities even place advertisements in our daily papers that the use of fog lights is NOT permitted unless it is “foggy” and then they CANNOT be used in combination with ANY other forward facing lights. End of story. Observing this rule is the same as observing the rule to drive on the left. So stop the crap you fogtards and follow the rules or go buy a pushbike. Oh by the way – improper use of foglights craps the hell out of me.
This article and some of the comments make for some good laughs. People … get the f$%k over yourselves. We have people doing 200km an hour in 60 zones, drink driving, people driving unlicenced or unregistered vehicles and you’re moaning about bloody what? FOG LIGHTS!!! They’ve NEVER bothered me. In fact when I see a car with fog lights, I sure as hell know I’m not going to change lanes accidentally right into him/her. I just don’t get some people. FOG LIGHTS!!! FOGLIGHT WHAT??? FURY??? Lord Jesus Christ help me … what next … will you be writing articles about the shape of people’s heads and how they distract you when you’re driving. Alright, this is ridiculous. I can’t even believe I wrote a comment here (LOL) … *eyes rolling*
This is a good article, however ‘fog lights’ and ‘driving lights’ are often mistaken for each other, ‘fog lights’ are coloured, usually orange to cut through the fog because ‘white’ light only makes fog worse.
Clear lenses and globes are called drving lights, and there is no law which states when to use driving lights, so whilst they still need to be positioned correctly, driving with driving lights on is not an offense at all
Mark E I’m with you- I drive a 4WD with xenon and xenon highbeam and driving lights and I’m of the belief that the rear fogger drivers are just keen to light up their backside so I tend to assist- they really are absurd and so unnecessary. Even in dense fog you switch them off once you have a car behind you. By law, in Germany for example, the visibility needs to be 50m or less.
I really find it hard to not react to rear fogs when on a country road behind someone for long so I try not to light up my lights but I’m only human…
Does anyone get annoyed by bi xenon headlights reflection in mirrors from vehicles approaching from behind passing you on your right side? A quote from a website’…the low beam is formed by moving a shutter between the bulb and the lens, thus blocking off a portion of the light…’
Suspect some of these units could be faulty if the shutter movement is incorrect.If so what is the effect or fix?
David, Xenon headlights are self leveling.
Much like halogen projector lights, over time they can become misaligned, all it takes is a screwdriver to fix. You just pop the bonnet open and twist the dial as necessary.
The problem with rear fog lights is that many drivers don’t know that they are on, or they think that extra red light make them safer, wrong, it makes the stop lights less visible. Now the front fog lights, they should never be switched on in good visibility, they illuminate intensly the area close to the vehicle (under the level of fog so the light does not get scattered by the fog), in clear conditions human eye accomodates to this high intensity causing actual reduction in long distance vision as long distance object are still weakly illuminated!!! The only exception to this is in modern cars where the fog lights illuminate also sides of the road, European road codes allow limited usage of fog lights in good weather conditions only when there is a series of consecutive sharp bends (as marked by road signs).
The next point is the day lights, the should have power equivalant 21W bulb, be aimed straight like long beams, and during their operation the side lights at front and rear must be off (the only exception is Poland where the rear lights must be also on, making wiring difficult). They should switch off when the parking,short or long beam is on.
The yellow light bulbs and lights cannot be sold in Europe only “all-weather” nad white bulbs are availbale. And the last thing the “peasent” Xenon conversion kits, they really blind the oncoming traffic, as idiots who install them are not aware that lights need to have different lenses, built-in self levelling, and headlight cleaning. Another forgotten problem are cheap asian replacement headlights which scatter light in all directions. I forgot to mention “tunning”: blue LEDs, smoked lenses, etc…
a fog light can be either amber or white. it’s not the color that makes it a “fog” light, but the beam pattern. a “fog” light has a wide beam pattern that only goes out a short distance from the vehicle, but spreads out wide in front. a “driving” light has a long, narrow beam that is projected way out in front of the vehicle and can be either white or yellow.
many european cars have “yellow” driving lights.
all car manufacturers use “fog” lights in their cars (if equipt) because “driving” lights are deemed “illegal” to use with the vehicles low beams, while the “fog” lights are illegal to be used with the high beams. also, any “fog” light with a bulb wattage greater than 55 watts, is also illegal.
i hope this clears up any confusion about fog and driving lights.
Fog lights/drivers lights don’t worry me that much during the day… heck even if someone had highbeams on during the day I’ll probably not notice, but during the night some cars do give me the sheets.
The problem I get is when these fogwits drive around with them on at night during wet weather… its bad enough with rain reducing visibility but with the extra set of lights bouncing off the reflective wet road coming at me, I’m pretty much driving blindly ahead until the car passes.
Rear fogs piss me off equally day or night. I tend to get pass them as fast as I can then either flash my own rear fogs or slow right down.
Agree 100%…….. you can also add the BA/BF XR series driving lights to the list of poorly aimed and way too bright! BA-BF Falcon and VX-VZ vehicles are among the most common on our roads and the number of them (XR6, XR8, SV6 and SS) with driving lights running non-stop is phenomenal.
As I’ve said elsewhere, the ONLY time they should be operable is when you have your Park lights illuminated or with high beam. It should be illegal for them to be used in conjunction with low beam.
Whether driving or fog lights – irritating lights – are useful as they signal “selfish dimwit” driving attempting to look cool whilst being a fool – as for the rear foglights… competing for stardom en route to an incompetence convention… warning “dickhead ahead” – so really they are very handy .. and VICPOL now have their SS highway patrol cars driving with these irritating lights too .. in the city… pity they don’t have any rear foglights to confirm the above…..
Whoever reckons Fog/Driving lights look COOL, probably has a metal bar through their eyelid or an earring through their lip or drives one of those poofy wrx’s with an exhaust pipe so big it nearly scrapes on the ground…Tossers!
Low beam headlights during the day are OK, as they are normally adjusted and standard wattages, but those fog/driving lights are so damn annoying and all over the shop. I just put my high beams on when they head toward me, if the tool has a problem and gets road raged, I’ll just rip his piece of metal off his face – losers…don’t even bother with any limp wristed tough talk “cool” looking lights maaaan replies, your just a poser.
I had fitted yellow fog lights to my old Datsun once only because I actually used to drive in areas where there was a chance of fog. I was pulled over in Aratula and was told by the police that it was illegal to have the on when not in foggy conditions as I had flicked the switch by accident.
I am in favour of having lights on in daylight as it makes a big difference to safety but not fog lights as they are much too bright.
Hey is an answer to all those numbats that drive around with their fog/road lights on,or missaligned low beams.If they are sitting behind you and its dazzling the crap out of you in your rear vision mirror,aim your external mirror at an angle that reflects back into their eyes and see how long they stay there for (not very long i can assure you).I know because i drive alot at night as a medical courier,and it works very well with xenon lights as well.And here’s an answer to those rear fog light fanatics,there isn’t one becuase they’re stuck in they’re own little world of make beleive.i have tried flashing high beam behind them no cure(done numerous times),pass them tap brake to tell them,put my own rear fog on for a little while .Turn off rear fog,slow down a little so they pass you and they do and guess what?!!! The rear fog light is still F#$&ING on so no hope there i guess.And apart from the do it yourself ,the worst factory set road/fog/driving light or what ever they call them depends on which school you go to.But the worst is G.M.H their cars more so hsv or ss cars,so much for sticking with A.D.R rules as to all head/driving/fog lights must be aimed correctly as not to dazzle on comiming traffic.There thats my two bobs worth see ya!!!!!!
Dazzled by low mounted driving lights (they are driving lights foglights are yellow to reduce dazzle)during the day! Pure crap! Get treatment for chrissake u sad people.
There is strong evidence that driving with lights on during the day. They are low mounted. Even better. Turn them on!
All lights must be properly aligned. No argument there.
Oh and for the gentleman (and any other)who is sensitive to glare. Glare is caused by reflected light. You need polarised driving glasses. They come in both day and night lenses. You will be amazed at the difference they make. I am over 50 and I am familiar with the you’re difficulty.
You have a problem and you should address it. If you don’t you are the one being inconsiderate of others’ safety.
Good visibility = improved safety. Turn on your lights and wear correct eyewear.
PS the mirror trick doesn’t work with the polarized glasses. I won’t even notice you you ar$ehole.
HAHAHA, Well said Geoff………I cant believe this post is STILL going. Does show that having our lights on means you do see us from all the lovely comments so far received. Don’t bother putting your lights on highbeam behind me either as my rear vision mirror dips automatically to I don’t care mode {true,not sure if that’s a mode but it does dip automatically}. I have probably got the rears on as your too bloody close anyway. Pimply Rex drivers ,that was a little harsh there most likely got their front foggy’s on as your doing bloody 80 in the right hand lane on a 100 klm freeway . How do you get front fog lights in your mirror anyway ? Do you drive a billy cart?
I actually like the new headlights/ fog lights that are installed on new cars and think that the Commodore VY SS etc.. have great looking foggies.
If your in WA i look forward to pissing you off with my 80W Xenon Blue fog lights, and my 100W Xenon Blue headlights which i also use during the day time.
I don’t know about you guys, but i have seen the worst drivers in the country over here in WA and i want them to know i’m coming so they don’t hit me!!
If you did all of your research you would find that VT-VZ commodore factory fitted fog lights arent adjustable in any way, they are fixed in the one spot.
If you get pleasure from pissing other people of with your lights then good luck to you til you meet your match. As for all the debate about lights, foglights or driving lights, who cares what they are called. When other cars are heading your way (on-coming traffic) do you really want to dazzle or blind these people as you’re about to (hopefully) pass one another. Rear fog lights, useful for dense fog, or as B Missile says for tailgaters but that’s about it.
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I always have & always will drive with my ‘fog-lights’ on day & night. I prefer to think of them as ‘driving-lights’ however the handbook states ‘fog-lights’ so I’ll stay with that definition – as I believe that corresponds with NSW RTA definitions anyway (rightly or wrongly). Reason: I don’t trust any other driver on the road, & I especially don’t trust them to see my vehicle. My instinct is that most drivers who drive with their lights on during the day are more aware & alert drivers to their environment anyway. Most urban drivers have no real experience in driving in the country & that is where the real lessons of visibility are learn’t (ask any truckie or sales rep). The main bad wrap re: ‘fog-lights’ is bought ablout by mis-alignment; & this is what law enforcement should focus on. The main culprits of mis-alignment are HSV Commodores & I’m convinced for a number of years HSV spat them out to the dummies who buy such rubbish without correct alignment – I’ve seen too many HSV’s with the problem to think otherwise.