2008 Ford Falcon Ute and XR6 Turbo Sprung!
8 Jun, 2007
214 Comments 
Unlike Holden, Ford seems to be preparing their Falcon Utility to coincide with the release of their new model – codename Orion.
Our spy photographer has sprung the Falcon Ute during testing in an undisclosed location in Victoria’s bushy countryside. Although the photos aren’t quite crystal clear, there is an obvious indication that body size will remain similar to Ford’s currently successful utility range.
The model photographed seems to be a base model with tray attached. It’s also nice to see the Ute decked out with a big set of alloy wheels which – I would think – probably won’t be seen on the ready model.
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Whilst waiting for the Ford Falcon Ute to come past, our sleuth photographer snapped off a few shots of a car we have seen before.
This time around, the car was much closer, revealing some more information about the vehicle’s shape and contours. The front end reveals new sculpting for the fog lights and also some humps on the bonnet…we’ll leave that to your imagination.
Many European vehicles are now fitted with Xenon headlights, it’s unclear whether the Falcon will also feature such a headlight treatment. One thing that is clear though is that the vehicle pictured below has several objects protruding from the headlight assembly, suggesting ad-hoc headlight washers (which are required as ADR for Xenon/HID headlights). And is that a carbon-fibre spoiler fitted to the vehicle pictured? You betch’ya. Will it make it to production? Probably not.
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Insiders have informed us that the mold featured in the following photo is not representative of the tail-lights. Cladding has been employed to emboss the tail-light surrounding in a bid to throw off onlookers.
The front end close up shot suggests a new fog light arrangement and bonnet contours. The vehicle photographed is probably an XR6 Turbo variant. Our spy photographer has suggested that it was towing a trailer filled with cement and other heavy objects and had a noise reminiscent of the current turbocharged Falcon lineup.
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And finally, the following picture clearly shows the outline of the window. It’s unclear why Ford went to such extremes to pad the C-pillar windows. This photo shots that nothing all too interesting is going on behind there. It is encouraging to see that the old AU rear door frame is gone. There were many complaints about the lack of ease getting in and out of Falcons from the AU – BF, this new door frame will hopefully rectify the issue.
One thing’s for certain, Ford is working hard to ready the Falcon for sale next year. As further news or photos come to hand, you will see them first at CarAdvice.
Remember, if you have any spy photos of Ford’s new Falcon – or any other vehicle for that matter – contact CarAdvice, if the photos are decent, we’re willing to pay cash (more than the major magazines).
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June 8th, 2007 at 5:29 pm
Well done on the shots!
Finally the car is looking promising, previous to these shots I wasn’t too impressed as it just looked like a bigger Mondeo.
The front of the turbo-variant definitely looks good, it looks like they are using the current headlight style which I don’t mind so much.
Vote:June 8th, 2007 at 7:05 pm
Absolutely magnificent shots, well done.
This car looks the tits! its tough, looks edgy – european, and more importantely way better looking than the VE. You guys should read the article about the falcon in current motor issue. They say the new xr6 turbo will have 260 KW and xr8 recieves FPV GT;s 290 kw engine. Can you imagine that!?!?
Vote:June 8th, 2007 at 7:14 pm
will be awesome, cant wait!
i really do hope its better than VE. i tihnk they can drown out holden with theyre turbo approach instead of trying to compete with the chev V8s, very smart
Vote:June 8th, 2007 at 7:37 pm
the ute has a massive glasshouse..the angle of the windows is also quite sharp.i think the falcon is looking quite stunning
Vote:June 8th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
It could possibly be f6 i noticed lower mesh or maybe the xrs get lower mesh this time,instead of buying aftermarket lower gril mesh piece. $$$ And those wheels look like the ba gt rims or slightly different ones. peace out 6.2 boss v8.
Vote:June 8th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
that isnt a leaf spring rear end in that cab chassis..
Vote:June 8th, 2007 at 11:37 pm
Is it just me, or does the ute retain the old doors (with new handles/outer skins ?).
The outline of the sedan front doors seems much different but the ute seems like it still has the old head hitting sloping A pillar ?
Vote:June 9th, 2007 at 6:00 pm
this ford will munch the holden thats for shore fords basic modle is 190 kw amagine what it will be when the orion comes out holdens new ve is 180 kw only i tink holdens intruble.
Vote:June 9th, 2007 at 8:56 pm
I heard 260kw for the xr6t,290kw for xr8,and 310kw for gt, i was hoping for 320kw gtp or gtho this time.Whats the f6 going to be? or even if there will be an f6? Go the boss in 2008 if you dont know now you know…..
Vote:June 9th, 2007 at 9:31 pm
everyone has an opinion and we are all entitled to one but please understand this
1. its designed around the new mondeo
2. its a reskinned ba which was a reskinned au which was a reskinned ea etc etc
3. for it to be a sales success it will need to redefine the current automotive trend which it definitely will struggle to do.
4. your 5.4 v8 is based on believe it or not a f150 block hence why it has a narrow band of torque and very very very nose heavy
5. its still the same wheel base as the ba so no mid engine layout as the ve which gives it its 50:50 weight ratio
6. ford does not have the funds to design a car from scratch which they completely blew on the au/ba
7. the long overhangs on either end are a dead give away that they are going to struggle to keep up to the perfectly proportioned ve.
if this does not succeed ford will most definitely shut down production and u silly fools will be driving leaf spring mustangs or front wheel drive imported 500s
Vote:June 9th, 2007 at 9:42 pm
In response to “youridiots” (great spelling of you’re by the way ;))
1. Bzzt. Wrong. If it was designed around the new Mondeo, it would be a state-of-the-art European machine, it may use design elements from its European counterpart, but it’s certainly not “designed around” the Mondeo.
2. Bzzt…again. AU is not a re-skinned EA and BA is barely a re-skinned AU. According to you, the AU had the I6 BA engine…yeah…right!
3. It doesn’t have to redefine anything. It just needs to outsell Commodore. As it stands, the BF isn’t that far behind the VE, after a model change, I think it’ll take the cake.
4. And it’s the same engine used in the Ford GT (the US one with the dirty big supercharger)…so there goes your argument of it being a boat anchor right out the window. You’re not doing well tonight are you? Or should that be ‘your’ not doing well tonight ;)
5. BZZZT…yet again. It’s have a different wheelbase to the BF Falcon. Commodore…mid-engined! HAHAHA, that’s the best thing I’ve heard all night! You made me fall off the chair laughing.
6. Why would they make anything from scratch? The BF is an excellent model and remarkable value for money, “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”!
7. It’s called camouflage darling. It’s to stop bogans like yourself picking the final design elements.
Vote:June 9th, 2007 at 10:09 pm
Bravo ,Bravo ,Benjie . What a Twatt !!! Oh and by the way “youridiots GM in the US still use Leaf springs {latest Vet has them moron}and GMH didn’t spend 1BILLION DOLLARS DESIGNING ANYTHING! They spent a BILLION coping everyone elses designs and if you knew anything about EURO or JAP cars not just ” FUlly SICK BOGAN COMMONDORES” you would understand this !! Mate FORDS have always been the more superior car built in Australia even since the seventies.Holdens have always been the poor cousin and THATS why people will ALWAYS pay the big dollars for Ford GT’s the best Muscle cars ever in Australia over the Holdens .
Vote:June 9th, 2007 at 10:32 pm
This is a new platform you know because you need to know,as for the 5.4 its a u.s cobra motor 4.6 but the boys turned it into a 5.4 4v.quad cam which u.s. said might not work. dummys,the au is not ea or ba underneath.I studied the ba since 2003 day one,and i know all about the ba.I now own a ba boss 50k xr8 vixen, leather, premium sound,sunroof,full stainless herrod system 3k, k&n high flow air filter,cold air intake and power snorcle.The ve ss is a astra crossed between a ba xr8 with xt head lights.When people look at my ba xr8 in vixen red, i hear them say looks like a HSV or the new commy.But 06 VE looks like 03 BA.
Vote:June 10th, 2007 at 12:28 am
now thats a word that really defines yourself benjie, and whomever else that has jumped on the silly sods bandwagon. for your information the motor in the fpv gt is not the same one from the ford gt nor is it the same one from the mustang. they both have the same capacity but are not one in the same. and ford my friends are not even close to the commodore sales with the bf. holden for the month of may sold 5000 commodores and the falcon only sold just a tad over 2500. in fact the mazda 3 came close to selling more. very close, im sure. i never said the falcon was a dud in the handling department but it doesnt have the same characteristics as the ve and its called front mid engine layout TWAT similar to the ferrari scageletti, maranello, mclaren slr…. cars your silly street car magazines cannot even comprehend. its where the motor sits behind the front axle, similar to a 430f1 but the opposite. as for the other guys fpv gt, now thats a goddamn dreadful car. nose heavy, small torque and rev range and gets cleaned up by the much cheaper xr6 turbo. now that gt is a classic?????
Vote:June 10th, 2007 at 12:32 am
one more thing anyone and even ford can tell you that front of a eb can fit on to an au. known fact. and the vette runs full independant suspension twat
Vote:June 10th, 2007 at 12:38 am
Mate all 12 year olds should be in bed,go to bed!!!!
Vote:June 10th, 2007 at 12:59 am
Wow!! i better whip out the angle grinder and wack a BA front end on my EB.
Vote:June 10th, 2007 at 1:17 am
Whats funny, The new BMW X5 and the VE commodore copied the ford territory’s steering set up. As for people whinging about parts from the EA being used up until an AU, yes most ford people will admit that even the head gasket from a 3.9L EA will fit a AU 4L and the Watts link rear suspension was used from the XE in 84 until the AU in 02. You cant get around the fact that a Falcon inline six has more power, more torque and better fuel economy and sounds much better than the V6 in the commodore. The people that dish out the falcon for having a watts link rear are highly unintelligent, as the cheap IRS introduced in the 1990 Statesman used until the VZ, its the most lame IRS ever developed with its excessive camber when weight is added and excesive rear tyre wear and when reverse is engaged, the torque pulls down the rear… weak as. Australian cars have been using parts from the 90’s for a long long time. For god sakes, even ford and holden share parts, eg their 6spd manual box. Get over yourselves people, holden people, your VE isnt all new it still uses VZ mirrors, it has Territory style steering, a midget v6, and rough 4spd thats rougher than my EB’s BorgWarner 95LE tranny. As for the v8’s i’m not a v8 man, but i like the exhaust note in the falcons better. If only holden copied that. Holden just uses whats available in the GM parts bin, its only recently they have been given the opportunity to be the creator of their own parts. Look at every past commodore its been based on a Opel/Vauxhaul Omega. Oh look that names familiar. Give ford some credit for so long being able to create a model that is totally independant of any other vehicle in the entire Ford Company, and still be able to compete with holden on pricing which for so long got designs from europe and america.
Vote:June 10th, 2007 at 2:47 am
Ok we all know ba front end will fit on au and the doors too,but that dont mean shit to me,the BLOCK is from u.s with MUSTANG COBRA 4V HEADS enhanced by the boys and turned unto a 5.4 and can even be turned into 6.0 just look at street machine gold ba xr8 custom twin manifold.This is about fords and i dont give a shit about xr6 turbo we all know they are quick i test drove xr6t before i paid 50k for xr8 too. But i chose xr8 for a few reasons,as i love v8s and i dont give a shit about being more heavy you little maggots.Who cares about sales,its always been like that holden may sell more cars but i dont give a shit.v8 grunt or woosh and hiss xr6t with extractors?
Vote:June 10th, 2007 at 3:24 am
HSV 307kw vs FPV 310kw in 2008 little maggots kicking brand new flavour in ya ear,and holden is playing catch up only to be left behind again in 2008.
Vote:June 10th, 2007 at 7:42 am
what is the tourqe in the GT
Vote:June 10th, 2007 at 10:00 am
UM “YOUR IDIOITS” Wanker ,as mentioned before C6 VETT has LEAF SPRINGS. YOU TOOL !!!!!!!! Should I highlite the bits where they say LEAF SPRINGS !!!!!!And you have just been told by a girl.
GM has equipped the Corvette with two one-piece fiberglass composite leaf springs in place of coils. They run transversely across the width of the car, mounted in two places equidistant from the centerline. Each end is bolted to the bottom of an A-arm such that when the A-arm rises, the leaf pulls it down, again in proportion to a known spring rate. In this way, four coils are replaced with two leaf springs.
Because both coils and leafs in these configurations act only as simple springs and are not required to stabilize the wheels, their function is almost identical.
Vote:June 10th, 2007 at 11:07 am
“youridiots”
The American Ford GT _IS_ based on the same engine as the FPV GT!!!! You twit.
And the Corvette DOES USE LEAF SPRINGS!
Vote:June 10th, 2007 at 12:41 pm
i thought the corvette used a single tranverse composite spring..
Vote:June 10th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
According to good ol’ Wikipedia its still a leaf spring arrangement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvette_leaf_springs, but i think we are getting a bit off topic…
Vote:As far as i can see the new Falcon is coming along nicely, though it does appear to have a bit of overhang. Does anyone know the full extent of the model update? is it a new chassis or a reskin?
June 10th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
Ba xr8 has a shit load of torque 500nm you fool and GT has 550nm of talk. ther is a new cobra shelby mustang comin out 5.4 4valve quaud cam, that should have more torque too. 5.4 BLOCK with MUSTANG COBRA HEADS ENHANCED AND SUPER CHARGED.
Vote:June 10th, 2007 at 7:12 pm
Just because the ve is based on the ASTRA dont mean the new ford will take the same route and copy the mondeo they are crappy cars as if mondeo hehe..
Vote:June 10th, 2007 at 8:20 pm
Look throuth the window on the bottom pic you can see the window shape.
Vote:June 10th, 2007 at 10:02 pm
MONDEOS SUCK BIG TIME.
Vote:June 10th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
I hope the Orion ute keeps the leaf springs. I own an AU XR6 ute and it is a great car. The leaf springs carry loads better than coils and the difference in handling between leaves and coils is no different for 99.9% of people buying utes. I will buy a Orion XR6 TURBO Ute with no hesistation.
Vote:June 10th, 2007 at 10:21 pm
Forgot to say ………….I took my mate to the local Ford dealer to drive a BF XR6 Turbo……..he was “blown” away !!!!! Great engine and that 6 speed auto………..SWEET !! He wants one………oh yeah his current car is a VE Commodore !!!!!!!
Vote:June 10th, 2007 at 10:25 pm
Most people would want the independent rear end i reckon and tradesmen too,and what about the guys in the brute utes who race around the track against holden ss utes?
Vote:June 11th, 2007 at 12:41 pm
some time ago i read an article / road test au xls(leafs) vs holden vu s pac ute(coils) and they said the falcon xls was superior in handling, so whats wrong with leafs any way. also someone said they can see coils under the ute in the photos? i reckon i can see leafs where they connect to the chassis to the front of the wheel
Vote:June 11th, 2007 at 2:57 pm
gotta show holden how its done and ford is behind in that department for sure and pissed off alot of pursuit owners.
Vote:June 11th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
leafs suck and ford is is behind in that area too.
Vote:June 11th, 2007 at 8:40 pm
Great Pics.
Should be good. Especially like the appearance of extra room in the cab of the Falcon ute.
Vote:June 11th, 2007 at 9:14 pm
Photos are fantastic and the new shape looks great! I like how it seems to be a sensible evolution of an already great design.
Unlike Holden, Ford do not have to continually try to reinvent themselves, with much fanfare, every decade. Keep evolving the same Great Australian Road Car, as you have done since the late 1960’s.
Holden – you never should have dropped the Australian designed Kingswood.
Perhaps the Ford ute will be offered in leaf (for the trades) and coil, like the GQ Patrol? My money’s on leaf; it’s far too practical and can be engineered to outhandle a Commodore. Please keep the column shift 3 seat bench seat…the flexibility is too immense to lose!
Vote:June 11th, 2007 at 11:53 pm
The question was asked why they padded up the ‘C’ Pillar so extensively.
Well, if one looks at the pic through the window closely, it would appear that Ford has integrated the ‘Hoffmeister kick’ into the rear of the door frame/aperture ALA any BMW (current or otherwise) and the VE Commodore…
Seems the style is catchy.
Also, the rear door shutline (as it progresses over the rear wheel arch seems to follow a similar (almost straight path from bottom sill to behind door handle) as the VE Commodore.
For the record, I am neither a Holden or Ford man, just a keen observer and lover of cars.
Vote:June 12th, 2007 at 7:35 am
What joke ford is trying to out smart the buying public with this eb upgrade. ford go sit in the corner and put your dunce hat on
Vote:June 12th, 2007 at 8:42 am
Mr Holden you are such an idiot. This is not a EB upgrade you moron.So why dont you keep your stupid comments to yourself.
Vote:June 12th, 2007 at 10:35 am
The rear kick line in the rear door opening, has been a falcon styling trait since the EA falcon of 1989, Holden actually adopted this trait with the VT, when for the first time since the VK commodore Holden dropped the 3rd window design from the C-pillar.
Mr Holden…some facts for you…
The control blade rear suspension and rear bulk head structure will be carried over from the BA sedan, as it was a brand new design back in 2002. The front suspension will be the new design from the Territory, which was brand new in 2004.
NO carry over suspensions or major hardwhare from the AU, so u can now invent something else to bash about falcon. The VE needed new hardware, as the IRS dates back to the late 70s and the front suspension was a simple, less robust strut front suspension.
what amazes me the most though…the brand new world HF V6 can’t beat the BAs bigger, heavier, inline 6cyl for refinement, power and fuel consumption!! that goes for auto geaboxes too…
So orion doesn’t have to play catch up too much and predict Orion will beat VE, like BA did against VY…
Vote:June 12th, 2007 at 5:30 pm
AAAHHH Mr holden (AKA a true tosser)
you are exactlly the kind of person that is responsible for creating the stereotypes that are associated with holden supporters.
you are a person of few words and incorrect ones at that. this alone demonstrates your poor knowledge for motorvehicles.
Vote:and no i am not a great fan of holden but i reckon that is because i would know a heck of a lot more about holdens than you. thats right i know more about holdens than the embassador himself YOU!! (MR HOLDEN)
June 12th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
hasnt anybody else noticed that shit stuk on along the bottom of the doors…whats goin onwith that…it better not hang around till production…looks like a decoy…
Vote:June 12th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
IM sick of ya lil holden maggots dissin it or comparing it to ea,eb,au dumb asses,bitch please sit in the corner and bow down you lil maggots.hsv is playing catch up only to be left behind in 2008. fools.
Vote:June 12th, 2007 at 10:50 pm
HSV is playing catch up only to be left behind again in 2008 and to VE dont try to bite my style again like ya did with the ba because it looks better alot better than your effort.307kw vs 310 in 2008.
Vote:June 12th, 2007 at 10:55 pm
HSV 307KW GTS VS FPV 310KW GT AND LIGHTER TOO THIS TIME AND I DO MEAN IT THIS TIME. AKA BIG BOSS. YOU LITTLE MAGGOTS NOW BOW DOWN AND GO STAND IN A DARK CORNER AND THINK ABOUT HOW YOU BIT MY STYLE WITH THE VE.
Vote:June 12th, 2007 at 11:19 pm
WHO CARES ?? CANT YOU EXTRACT MORE THAN A FEW kws EACH TIME ???? MY DICK IS BIGGER THAN YOURS THING!!!!!!!!
How about uping it by 70 or more that’s exciting!!!
Credit though to Ford for at least not putting on a badge,god thats pathetic of Holden!Or is that because Holden owners need to be reminded as their so thick!
Vote:June 12th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
new shape looks great i kinda like it just can’t wait for the power out put that these cars will have in final production.
Vote:Here is one thing for mr holden not quite sure weather this belongs here or not but dont realy care in thee ANCAP Crash Test Result Analysis the the VE Commodore, which cost Holden $1.23 Billion to manufacture, scored the same as the current series Falcon in which ford spent 500million for the BA/BF series. i think that holden should go sit in the corner and put their dunce hat on
June 13th, 2007 at 4:34 am
WHO CARES I DO THIS IS A BIG THING FOR FORD HAVING MORE KW FOR THE FIRST TIME AND CARES ABOUT A PATHETIC BADGE? HOLDENS IS THAT BIG LIKE MY BALL BAG YA LIL MAGGOTS NOW BOW DOWN IN 2008.307KW VS 310KW FOOLS.
Vote:June 13th, 2007 at 4:47 am
GIVE EM THE RESPECT FOR BUILDING A WHOLE NEW CAR.LIKE THE VE DID.
Vote:June 13th, 2007 at 5:04 am
MOST OF HSV CASH WENT ON COPYING OTHER CARS YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU NEED TO KNOW.NOW HSV GO STAND IN A DARK CORNER AND THINK ABOUT THAT.HSV i just beat one….
Vote:June 13th, 2007 at 5:12 am
yes holden can extract a few more kw each time they release a new model, to keep up with the gt.looks like the utes are comin around the same time ss ute and xr ute intresting.
Vote:June 13th, 2007 at 7:59 am
i was going to buy a ferrari, now ill just buy a VE
thanks “youidiots”
50/50 weight distribution on a commodore… AHAHAHAHA!!! is that rated from side to side??? LOL!!!!
AU was a completely new design, so if youd like to have a go, ID LOVE to see you get the front off an ED on an AU AHHAHAHA!!! that would be piss funny!
Ve isnt a bad car, just a shame the front end looks like a 1 tonne ute of some sort jammed on a sedan? the rest of the car is not too bad.
for a BILLION bux, its not bad, it should be AMAZING though.
Vote:June 13th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
Ha just reading the Holden folks comments are a total joke! We all know Holden folks always have to defend themselves even when their products are shite!
Anyways new orion is looking fantastic, it looks like the XRs or whatver have finally increased the sports/aggresive look to it. Hopefully Ford have revised the model line up too since Fairlane is gone, would be good to see a Fairmont Ghia similar to the old XD/XE ESP differentiation. GO ORION!
(Also to the Holden pricks, lucky that Commondore is still around cos the other cars are shite, rebadged Daewoos! come on!! Its ridiculous!!! The captiva looks like a swollen hedgehog!!)
Vote:June 13th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
VE LOOKS LIKE A BA XR DUMB ASS CROSSED ASTRA WITH A FLARE KIT. VE LOL…
Vote:June 13th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
50/50 VE HEHE..LOL…
Vote:June 13th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
MAYBE BUY A RED SS, AND PRETENT ITS A FERRARI HEHE.LOL…
Vote:June 13th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
pity the actual car talk has sort of got lost..i was hoping for some sensible chat on the orion ..not 12 year olds discussing their dicks..
Vote:June 13th, 2007 at 8:29 pm
The VE does have a 50/50 weight distribution with 2 ‘average’ people up front and 1/2 a tank of fuel IIRC. It is not that hard to get. They put the battery in the boot and fitted the engine in a front/miship layout. Although the pushed forward front wheels help there too. BMW have been doing it for years with their front/midship mounted engine and RWD. My old E36 325i coupe was 50-50.
And no, I am not a ‘Holden lover’, I just wanted to get across a fact. I am sure the Falcon will be a good car. It needs to be for Ford Aus to survive. I agree about Mr Holden and youridiots, they can’t let the truth get in the way of a good story, no matter how misguided it is… ;-)
Vote:June 13th, 2007 at 9:24 pm
MONSTER & ASS BANDIT ARE THE SAME PEOPLE,WHY DONT YOU F…OFF SO THE REST OFF US CAN HAVE AN ADULT CONVERSATION.AND HONEY WHO NEEDS A DILDO WHEN I HAE SOMETHING THAT GIVES ME MUCH MORE PLEASURE,YOU BEING A TOOL!!!!!!!AAAAHHHHH,AAAAHHHHHH,AAAAAHHHHHH.ILL HAVE WHAT BMW ARE HAVING.A FORD WILL ALMOST GET ME THERE BUT NOT QUITE SATISFIED.THIS POST HAS TURNED INTO A JOKE .YOUR NOT EVEN FUNNY ANY MORE HEY SAM!!!!!!!!!!!
Vote:June 13th, 2007 at 11:18 pm
mmm…dildo
Vote:June 13th, 2007 at 11:41 pm
NICE TO KNOW YOUR STILL OUT THERE WHATCHING US,,ummmmmmm me sam!!!!!
Vote:June 13th, 2007 at 11:49 pm
is there some sort of moderator on this site that can block retards from posting. does the doctor recommend some of you wear a helmet when you go outside… i thought so. lets just post about cars, and maybe related it back to the topic, if we get a chance.
all i can positivley say is i am a ford man and will be till the day i die, however im not gonna go randomly FORD SHITS ALL OVER HOLDEN BLAH BLAH BLAH…310Kw this and control Blade that what i will say in a civilized manner is that the falcon will be a compeditor and a avid one at that of the commodore, why i hear you ask, because thats what ford a building a large car to rival the commodore and every other car in its segment nothing more, nothing less
grow up
Vote:June 13th, 2007 at 11:55 pm
MATE I HAVE LEARNT ABOUT THIS SITE THEIR ALL RETARDS AND NOTHING IS SERIOUS.GO FIND ANOTHER SITE.ITS ALL A JOKE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Vote:June 13th, 2007 at 11:57 pm
all im saying is something needs to be done to stop the helmet wearing retards that probably catch themselves dribbling on occasion from posting. the fact they can operate a computer is a mighty achievement in itself
Vote:June 14th, 2007 at 12:03 am
HERE,HERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I HAVE STOPPED GIVING ANY CAR ADVICE OPINION{SOMETHING I THOUGHT THIS SITE WAS ABOUT}JUST JOKE ALONG AND GIVE AN ALIAS LIKE ALL THE OTHER WANKERS!!!!!!!!!!
Vote:June 14th, 2007 at 12:04 am
errr commodore rulezzzzz brooo, falcon sukkzzz dikk
no seriously though, why the hell am i the one whos getting the finger pointed at for posting this mindless dribble?
i really do think there needs to be some moderation going on here. a lot of useless crap is getting in the way of decent car talk.
i mean even me and old mate lisa had our moments of constructive criticism , even damo jumped in on the fun! but they loved it, didnt you guys?
Vote:June 14th, 2007 at 12:15 am
THOUGHT THAT MITE GET YOU ARKING!!!!!!!!I THOUGHT THIS WAS A SERIOUS SITE,NOPE !!!!!!!!ANYONE CAN GET YOUR ALIAS NO PASSWORDS TO PROTECT YOU .WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT YOU MAY AS WELL BE SPEAKING TO YOURSELF!! YOU GUYS ARE OUT OF HAND AND WILL KILL YOUR OWN SITE!!!!!!!!
Vote:June 14th, 2007 at 12:20 am
dude fuck off, we all know your the same person. its getting late, you have to get up in the morning for school!
mum wont be happy…
Vote:June 14th, 2007 at 12:24 am
ok now im just going to leave it, id probably have to kick my own ass for continuing to e-battle with 12 year olds.
Vote:June 14th, 2007 at 12:26 am
Sam ………Yep I agree totaly agree,Alborz.What is to be done to protect you on this site? It’s getting out of hand. Yep it was fun for a while Sam,but now it’s become anoying!!!!!!!.I thought we posted stuff for people to read and take on board for their next VEHICLE purchase?? Or sell the one they have,or don’t purchase !Come on can we all grow up? Please.
Vote:June 14th, 2007 at 12:49 am
MATE I AM OLD ENOUGH TO BE YOUR MOTHER!!!!!!!!! GO TO BED!IS THERE NOT ANOTHER SITE FOR WANKERS LIKE YOU TO GO TOO?
Vote:June 14th, 2007 at 1:21 am
I AM A DICKHEAD. CANT BELIEVE I THINK IM FUNNY. NOW IM GONNA GO SIT IN THE DARK CORNER, LIKE A LIL MAGGOT, AND PULL MYSELF…
Vote:June 14th, 2007 at 1:34 am
Hello asked about the crap stuck along the bottom of the doors. Todays MOTOR magazine ran some pics and an artists rendition of a potential design for the Falcon. As part of the story, the believe the bottom of the falcon doors will be scalloped in a similar fashion to the New Mondeo, hence the poxy covers to hide that design detail.
To see what I mean, check MOTOR for the artist rendition or have a look at the New Mendeo to see the scalloped sections on both front and rear doors…
Vote:June 14th, 2007 at 2:06 am
I dont believe the Falcon looks like the mondeo, but given they will be sold alongside each other, it would seem inevitable that the Falcon will ‘borrow’ some design cues from the Mondeo.
Be they Door Handles, Ridge Line running along the shoulder of the vehicle, Scalloped lower doors or even similar frontal designs (the norm with globalisation – look at the subaru cluster F… ‘fuselage’ grille design) it doesn’t matter, they could find worse looking cars to align with. Either way, Ford seems to be doing well with keeping the Falcon original in its own right as well.
Just hope they don’t kill the Mondeo like Holden did the Vectra by pricing it out of the market. Also hope Ford hasn’t jumped the gun and got the car out there too early (like the BA in ‘02 – in the media nearly a year before release) so that the pizzaz wears off before the car even goes on sale…
Vote:June 14th, 2007 at 9:26 am
leftlane news.com have pics of the falcon sides..
Vote:June 14th, 2007 at 3:44 pm
yeah the picture i posted about 4 weeks ago shows clearly the design cue in the base of the doors (scalloped) and the c-pillars quite clearly.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp.....&idi=1
go there and its only got half the cladding.
good stuff consciencous observer on guessing the scalloped doors, i wouldnt have picked that
GLENO!
Vote:June 14th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
i think personally the GT will be 320kw…. AS the differance between GT and XR8 was 30kw in the BA/BF range so if the XR8 is 290Kw the GT should be 320Kw, which ford can do with the Boss engine….remember in i think 2003 with the DJR 320KW and that was 4 years ago now…. so would think 320Kw would be right… and in the Motor mag they say the typhoon will be 300kw… which is awesome… if the 270kw typhoon is .1 sec of the GTS what would extra 30Kw do!!! hell yea!!! again the typhoon is 20kw less then the get so if the typhoon is 300Kw the GT has to be 320Kw!!! i just cant wait for the new falcon…. and if the typhoon is going to be 300kw…bye bye to HSV again!!! lol!!! i think 300Kw typhoon would equal a sub 5 sec 0-100km!!! and again the typhoon would be fighting with the likes of the new EVO and WRX!!! SO GO FOR IT FORD!!! Show what ford australia can do with a large inline 6!!!!
Vote:June 14th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
for me i think that the gt should get more than 320kw like about 350+kw if the typhoon is getting 300kw would not like to see the gt getting beaten by the typhoon again with the new series
Vote:June 14th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
I have heard on the grape vine 330kw. Should be easy bearing in mine that the BF should have more than the BA allready . From memory the BF had cold air intake and upgraded exhaust unlike the BA from factory .When hubby purchased his BA GT he added cold air intake,colder thermostat and headers,which gave him around an extra 15-20 kws. According to the dyno figures. When you added the chip also he got I think that bought it up over 330 kws. Not saying ford will up the performance chip next but if the next drive line can take it then why not?
Vote:June 14th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
i think the GT and GTP should be distinguished with power also. why not save a mildly turbo charged 5.4L for the GTP?? beats paying more to get a better stereo (so to speak)
Vote:i think the new falcon will be the next progression for ford and deffinately nothing too radical. why would they want to change too much? (thats dangerous)
New styling, some great new innovations (e.g. gas turbo or something like it) and refinement, thats all it needs to be
June 14th, 2007 at 8:47 pm
the kiddys must be out torturing stray kittens…its car chat again thank god..
Vote:June 14th, 2007 at 8:58 pm
Shhhhhh,you will wake them up!
Vote:June 15th, 2007 at 12:26 am
We all want more power but gt can only achieve 350+kw if its super charged.
Vote:June 15th, 2007 at 8:51 am
the thing is its been 30kw difference betweeen to Xr8 and the top V8- AU falcon XR8 220Kw, AU TS50 250Kw BA/BF Xr8 260kw and GT 290Kw so the new model would most likly be XR8 290Kw and GT 320Kw…. but saying all this i would like to see in either the GT or the GTP have a 351Kw engine!!!! but who knows!!! And lets all Pray for a GTHO falcon… would most likly appear in 2011 the 40th anniversy of GTHO pharse III!!!
Vote:June 15th, 2007 at 8:53 am
Tony… i have seen on the net, a super charged GT has 430Kw… thats only like 50Kw less then a V8 supercar!!! so i think that can do more with this engine!!!
Vote:June 15th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
I don’t think we’ll see a GTHO until the new Hurricane 6.2 ltr V8 engine is produced in USA probably by 2010. With all the quality’s the 5.4 has I’m afraid it will still fall short of the chev.
Vote:June 15th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
I don’t think you will see it at all.. Ford arn’t listening to our wants! Before the 40th aniversary model came out they asked the FPV club guys in Australia what they thought FPV owners wanted. A HO and more grunt please. Yep we got a wogged up decaled black GT ,great that was special ! Oh the guys had asked before hand a seventies style GT badge on the grill and rear woohoo got that. Dont hold your breath for a HO .
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 1:02 am
The 5.4 may fall short it cubic inches to the 6.0 but the torque figures are very close kw etc.And will have the ve running for cover.
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 9:14 pm
It is quite sad reading these pro holden commentary’s. Nothing better to do huh? They just seem to need to find something to pick on. Either that or these people are being paid to look like the idiots they are.
Vote:Goes to show the level of their intellect. They are probably so sick of beating up on each other that they need an adrenalin boost by trying to rile Ford owners (you don’t even come close boys). Go home and put you hands back on the wheel and keep them out of your pants. Once you learn to drive, come see me on the street where the bull stops. I get my adrenalin buzz from the car I drive, maybe that is something their Holden can’t give them hahahaha. They also must be so scared of the new Fords or why else look at the spy shots. I know I wouldn’t even bother to discredit a holden it does that by itself with the help of these hand job halfwits.
June 16th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
New shape looks promising with a euro inspired touch.
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 9:56 pm
I know the the ford will look better than the ve ute already.
Vote:June 17th, 2007 at 4:57 am
I dont like it..
Vote:June 17th, 2007 at 6:30 am
Hey
The Au Falcon, whilst being a sales disaster was a all new falcon and shared very little in commen wit the E series. During the period in the late nineties for had spent millions of dollars creating new software to make the process of creating new platforms faster. Whilst it is possible to adapt some new body panels from the Au, Ba series to the E series It takes Quit a bit of time and alote of for planning for modification, Secondly The only Body parts a ba share with it’s predecessor the Au are the door skins. The six cylinder motor From Ea to ba Fundimently has remained the same but today is truly a world class engine, similar to the 350 chevs evoloution from carby to ls2. The 5.4 litre engine Whilst being used for truck purposes in the states has many other uses including the shelby mustang and the new ford Gt. Hopfully this clears it up for all the uninformed misguided soles in holden land
Vote:June 17th, 2007 at 6:41 pm
I like it and i saw the u.s. pics its been confirmed its gonna be a great looking car.
Vote:June 20th, 2007 at 1:03 am
Ford sholud go back to the suspension set up used in the TC/TF Cortina’s for the new Falcon. Then when you power ‘em up they’ll pull fully sicko wheel stands at the drags like cortina!
Vote:June 26th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
yea that would be pritty sweet but i dont think there going to do that
Vote:June 26th, 2007 at 5:42 pm
hey you guys i love fords but we need to be unbiased ok i admit the ve is a very very fine car and the orion will probably be too the only thing we can do to compare them so far is some looks but i do agree the ve looks way to similar to the ba falcon and we cant compare any further until its released enough said
Vote:June 27th, 2007 at 12:10 am
THE ORION WILL BE COMPARED TO THE VE SERIES 2 NEXT YEAR I WOULD EXPECT. ORION VS OMEGA 2008.
Vote:June 27th, 2007 at 9:32 pm
yes i agrea we cant say ford is going to be better then the holden just yet even though there is a high chance it will be
Vote:July 3rd, 2007 at 8:37 pm
Hello
Looks good! Very useful, good stuff. Good resources here. Thanks much!
Bye
Vote:July 5th, 2007 at 1:16 pm
Maybe a FPV GT with the Veyrons W16 (never going to happen) GO FOR IT FORD!
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 10:45 am
Well I hope all the ford fans out there want big motors, you will need them to get the cars off the line. Fords are renowned for have big clunky things out front, making them steer like a shopping trolley. Why would Holden be worried!!! All ford fans admit that you are worried, dont try and cover that fact up. Just remember this important statement “Ford’s, built ford rough”.
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 2:15 am
Wow Im really getting Myself off right now, what a pile of cow dun, ford cant compete with holden, its game over ford, give it up, stop trying to make a falcon look like a commodore, it never works. they all just look like a face lifted sh!tbox au, and the new one, still looks like crap. O Wow 290kw xr8 that just makes Me want to bat off, HSV are about to bring out a 390kw 7.0 427 chev, just qick this game ford, you know its game over for You, it was from day 1. Holden and HSV build real cars, world class and real performance cars. Even the American mustang is crap, and You know that heap of dog sh!t You call the falcon wont ever make it to the USA…
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 2:35 am
What does Ford really stand for!!!
F-ucked O-n R-ace D-ay
F-ound O-n R-ubbish D-ump
F-or O-ld R-etired D-ickheads
F-ix O-r R-epair D-aily
BUILD FORD ROUGH…
In the USA David Letterman did a top ten list of ford slogans, because they were catching on fire.
One of them was:
Forget Chevy, We’ve got the real blazer lol.
and the number 1 ford slogan was:
Have You Driven A Ford To The Fire Station Lately…
Need I say More, All Fords are Sh!t
They cant even come up with a new badge design, that blue oval, is as good as it gets, just like the cars, they all look the same, What a team of bullsh!t designers they have. But keep on building them crap heaps ford, because We have a still have a market in this country for Your sh!tboxs, because there are a lot of stupid people with no brains who will buy them. The smart ones who have a brain will buy a Holden or a HSV, and that market is HUGE…
JUST QUIT THIS GAME NOW, IT WAS OVER BEFORE YOU STARTED.
Vote:August 3rd, 2007 at 3:37 pm
First On Race Day
What does holden stand for? (apart from nothing)
Vote:Hopeless Old Lifeless Dickheads Engineering Nothing.
Oh, look at me in creative too.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:43 am
First On Race Day, what day would that be, dickweed! O’and You are very creative, not! it took ford how long to design real suspension, all that time and the wagon still has leaf springs, thats great engineering right there lol. You need to drive a real car, a Holden, stop driving Mommys old Taxi… I wouldnt p!ss on a ford if it was on fire. Fords are for wankers like you, who buy them, enjoy your stupid car, dork…
Vote:August 10th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
The bottom line is be it Ford or Holden none of you wankers got this stupid by only having one DICK
Vote:August 26th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
dsdnbdghjbdsuy9
Vote:August 26th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
ddseass
Vote:August 26th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
shit cars maz
Vote:August 26th, 2007 at 6:07 pm
holden are the best fucken cars on the road boys
Vote:August 26th, 2007 at 6:10 pm
ford are the uglyest cars on the road i really agree withe u mat . mr holdes
Vote:August 26th, 2007 at 8:41 pm
Wow, all Holden supporters really are bogan retards. Did you actually finish school or did you drop out at grade 5? Because your spelling is just pungent! That goes for all Holden morons.
Ford have managed to always have it over Holden. Funny this… Why exactly have Ford won the V8’s 3 times in a row (should be 4, if it wasn’t for Rick Kelly… good for nothing cheater!)? And why exactly has Ford always managed to have a more reliable build and motor? Oh, and why is it, that Ford’s fastest 6 Cylinder is faster then Holden’s 8 Cylinder? And I’m still not finished, why is it, that the 5 year old B series Falcon is better in 90% of areas then the VE Commodore?
And it is not Ford that is copying Holden! You cannot accuse a company for copying a car that looks similar to another car when that company had already created pre-model of it! It was Holden that copied Ford’s looks, and somehow the VE still turned out ugly!
Hmmm… Seems to me that Holden are shit, lets not forget who imports Daewoo’s and sells them $4,000 dearer for having an ugli-er badge imprinted on them!!!
And speaking of quotes “Holden Means a Great deal to Australia…” BULLSHIT!
If thats true, then why was the I6 engine created by FORD, the only engine left that was created and assembled here in the land of Aus? And why is it, that HSV are too lazy to remove the big bold letters “OPC” out of the VX-R?
Oh, and Ford have kept their badge the same since their creation, because it is original! Unlike Holden who change theirs every 2 years.
So listen up you bias sacks of shit. Actually come up with decent accusations to make it at least seem that Ford is in the wrong (Good luck with that though)… Not just “suck my big one!” Although in Holden a supporter’s case it would be “Try to find my small one and attempt to suck it!”
Why does the Ford Falcon have a bulge in it’s bonnet? Because Ford have BALLS!
Vote:September 8th, 2007 at 9:14 pm
Just a few comments from the feral…
All you guys are working yourselves into a frenzy! Some of us like FORDS and others HOLDEN. I happen to like the blue oval and look forward to the 08 Falcon. It looks great in the spy pics…and will have to as the VE looks good I have to admit…except for the rear end hahaha!
One thing I have to say about HOLDEN – all those Daewoos are not doing the image any good. They look like shit…and go the same. Bring back the European Barina GSI ! Had one of those…great car.
Anyway go the fords!!!!!
Vote:September 8th, 2007 at 9:51 pm
UNREAL SHOTS… admit that it looks like not to much different from BA. Is this a makeover or upgrade… and Iam truly a Ford supporter!
Vote:September 14th, 2007 at 12:20 pm
H-olden
O-wners
L-ick
D-icks
E-very
N-ight
Just Hold-en together.
H-ope
O-ur
L-uck
D-oesn’t
E-nd
N-ow
H-op
Vote:O-ut
L-ads
D-amn
E-ngines
N-ackered (without the silent K)
September 15th, 2007 at 12:07 am
H-oles
Vote:O-il
L-eaks
D-ents
E-ngine
N-oise
September 15th, 2007 at 7:33 am
Equally on other side of ledger:
Vote:A bit of tin and a bit of board; put it together and you got a Ford. Iam a Ford supporter as well. Shame Holden cannot produce LPG only motors in house like with Falcon. They are a great car to drive and it really was no option but to buy the Ford!
September 15th, 2007 at 8:55 am
I had to put in my 2 bob when that “Fords are shit” idiot trotted out his tired old jokes. I don’t usually get into the mud slinging and name calling, preferring constructive criticism, but all the Holden bogans who keep coming just here just repeat themselves.
“eeeew, Ford’s are shit, only wankers like Fords, etc”
No real arguments based on fact. The only come back seems to be “HSV 7-lite 427″.
Well if you’s can afford the ridiculous asking price for one, go right ahead. I’d be getting life insurance and private health insurance though, because the sheer number of people you see get in car accidents involving speed and other factors, the majority of them are young blokes in an old V6 or SS Commodore.
If they can’t handle 150-200KW what are they going to do with whatever the 7-litre does?
Actually I think it might the the one bogan using multiple names. The spelling is shocking in all of their replies, and they aren’t all typoa (oops, typos, lol) Most Holden owners I know are not one-eyed or resort to slagging off anything with a Ford badge. We have our likes and dislikes about both makes and prefer one or the other.
Wankers who just keep saying “oh that’s shit” simply because they support the other brand should piss off to another forum where they can congratulate each other on how good they are and leave us alone to have a proper discussion.
Vote:September 15th, 2007 at 9:10 am
watto_cobra… mate you Holden supporters are to busy standing at the back of the dual tailpipes on the Omega VE with your pants down. You people go on with crap and think the world revolves around you and go for the jugular. Like the typical supporter you are, you go on paranoid bending truths about who frequents this website based on spelling and other vagaries like you are also an expert in forsenic science or the English language… mate you are deadset braincell of a Mr Bean.
Vote:You must be proud of the VE, sharing its roots with the Opel (couldn’t design 1st up without overseas majority input).
September 15th, 2007 at 7:02 pm
Colonel Klink,
Sorry mate, I’m not sure if you understood what I was trying to say. I’m a Ford man, if you read back a couple of posts you’ll see I was trotting out silly Holden jokes to match what the Holden blokes have been saying .ie. the following rubbish below.
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bob said
August 26 2007 @ 6:05 pm
dsdnbdghjbdsuy9
bob said
August 26 2007 @ 6:05 pm
ddseass
bob said
August 26 2007 @ 6:06 pm
shit cars maz
mr holdens said
August 26 2007 @ 6:07 pm
holden are the best fucken cars on the
road boys
ford sucks on my fat dick said
August 26 2007 @ 6:10 pm
ford are the uglyest cars on the road i
really agree withe u mat . mr holdes
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I’m planning to buy an FPV Orion (not sure if 6 or 8 yet).
The only positive thing I said about Holden fans was that some of my mates are, and they don’t act like the bogans who get on here. I definitely wasn’t defending VE (in fact I didn’t mention it), I’d prefer a Falcon anyday.
Let me know, because I don’t understand how you could’ve mistaken me for a Holden fan from my comment ???
Vote:September 15th, 2007 at 7:49 pm
Agree and thanks for the comment as I mistaken what you said. Sorry mate… bore it up Holden as gene pool started from Opel and so dam basic that they have to get duel fuel done away from factory floor whereas Ford do LPG only motors direct in factory floor (FORD DOES NOT GLOAT…HOLDEN MEANWHILE HAVE PARTY STREAMERS, GREG NORMAN AND OTHER FAMOUS PEOPLE LUSTING AFTER STUPID COMMENTS ABOUT HOW MUCH R&D WITH VE WAS SPENT AND ALL THE $$$$$ AND TRIMMINGS AND ONLY BARELY ABOVE FALCON SAYS THEY ARE SILLY. Should be great when Orion touches down. Fact Ford Falcon can sell reasonable well against the over wheel flare arched VE for a much older design speaks volumes on Ford. The Kuga and Verve hopefully will be fastracked here together with Mondeo. All the fanfare and carry on with Holden and they only just in front of Ford despite Ford having a much smaller range of cars says Holden SUX.
Vote:September 15th, 2007 at 8:50 pm
No prob Colonel Klink, and I agree. Every review I ever read that compared VE to BF said the Holden was only slightly in front. Better in some areas, worse in others. Not bad for the age of the BA/BF. The Orion should leapfrog ahead again while spending half the money. Major point for the Ford was the ZF-6 speed. My bro-in-law’s XR6 has one, WHAT A BOX!!!!!
Motor staged a “bang-for-your-bucks” comparo recently. I understand the VE SS winning it, it is cheap power. They explained their ratings/review system but I still found it unfair that they used the Force6 instead of the lighter, cheaper Typhoon which would have pushed FPV over the top.
Didn’t know about the Greg Norman stuff, but doesn’t surprise me since he used to flog Commodores on ads years ago.
Don’t really know anything about the Verve or Kuga yet.
Vote:September 15th, 2007 at 8:57 pm
Oh yeah, of my mates that are Holden fans, some like it, some don’t.
Vote:Fair enough.
They don’t completely slag it like the bogans I mentioned earlier.
September 15th, 2007 at 9:34 pm
Mate, have a look on this website for Kuga and Verve as hot cars and I believe Ford in Europe is coming up with great stuff, the Mondeo (even though might come in behind Mazda 6 and possible Camry / Aurion) should pull sales off Holden if offered with lots of freebies just as Commodore has done continually with the Lumina offering. Ford only recently offered bonuses on Falcon(not the same time overall time period as Commodore) and still not huge amount behind Commodore. Just hope they are serious and offer Traction Control, Side Airbags and 6speed autos as standard. You are correct that Commodore is only BARELY in front of Falcon which is much older.
Vote:September 15th, 2007 at 10:46 pm
Yep, I do remember seeing stuff about the Kuga and it’s green theme. One bloke posted “the mirrors are tacked on”. I have to agree but the rest looks good. At least it’s EUROP-ean rather than KOR-ean (looking at you Captiva, Barina and the rest).
Holden has a good product in the Commodore (soon to be eclisped by Orion :-) but the rest of it’s range is anywhere from dodgy to downright tacky.
The Focus and Fiesta have far better build quality because of it’s European operations. The new Focus Diesel sounds great for the greenies.
If I didn’t buy an Australian built car it’d be an XR5Turbo (although I’d get cruise control fitted).
But I’m not concerned about fuel consumption. My daily driver is on gas, so my weekend warrior will soon be an Orion FPV.
I don’t think you’ll see the ZF-6speed standard. It is a fantastic German box but expensive, mainly reserved for FPV.
I’ve heard Borg-Warner have engineered an extra 5th and 6th gear into the current box without changing external dimensions. Easy fit. Won’t be as good as ZF but better than Holden slushy 5 speed.
Vote:September 15th, 2007 at 10:57 pm
When I was trying to think of other cars Holden has sourced from Korea I’d forgotten about the Epica. Easy mistake. It is a pretty forgettable car.
Their ads on TV looked flash but everything I’ve read since says two things. Good fuel econonomy, but cheap and nasty.
I remember seeing the ad for Captiva. It directly said “better economy than Ford Territory”. Well, der. It’s smaller too. And again, not Australian plus cheap and nasty. It will never win awards like the Territory did.
If it didn’t fail so badly, Holden should have stuck with Adventra. It was a good idea (except for gutless V6 pushing heavier AWD wagon) but never took off like the Territory.
The sad thing is Holden’s mighty brainwashing advertising has people buying these average imports.
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 8:42 am
watto_cobra… preaching good stuff AGAIN AND SPOT ON. You are right about the crap coming from Holden. All you Holden wankers out there… remember that you had to get Opel from day 1 to assist some 80%+ with Commodore from inception. HOLDEN MEANS A GREAT DEAL TO AUSTRALIA. Yeah right you idiots at Holden are obsessed with great deals (LUMINA around for years with massive freebies which admit is great… but Ford Falcon opposite as nowhere near as much) and spending an alleged $1billion dollars of company profits on something that the industry is in decline in (like all bigger cars). Then you backflip out of Australia with key personnel going over to acquired Daewoo land and dish up crap with typical Holden grills and lights and think you can still be the iconic Aussie company that you once were. Who gives a tinkers toss that you outsell Ford, you should as your range is bigger and it must take lots of risk to get the VRX TURBO ASTRA here and put stickers on it as an afterthought you dumbos leave the dash on there with Opel genes again and no display of HSV on seats. WOW that must be so thought process consuming. With Opel and Vauxhall you would be shot down in flames heaps!
FORD MAKE TERRITORY, FALCON NOT TO MENTION FOCUS COMING UP DOWNUNDER WITHOUT THE PARTY HOOPLA FANFARE IN YOUR FACE ADS OF HOLDEN; WHEREAS HOLDEN MAKE 1 SOLITARY BLOODY CAR… THE COMMODORE (genes from Opel).
This should be the new ad for TV: HOLDEN MEANS A GREAT DEAL TO REDEFINING ITS GLOBAL POSITION AWAY FROM AUSTRALIA!
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 11:50 am
I was hoping that with the name change you might stop spamming the posts Roberto (Colonel Klink). Obviously I was being waaay to hopeful.
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 11:56 am
Hey JBot. WOW you still around, Mate I do not have to answer to a snotty green between the ears uni geek who thinks the world revolves around your stupid comments
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 12:01 pm
Why did you then?
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 12:16 pm
Drop the rubbish hey as do not need to answer to you! So what car you like. Iam Ford, but all others (if good)
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
Roberto why dont you drop the charade with this Colonel link… I know you lost any crediblity under your other name but no need to use an alias to try and restore somme form of pride.
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
RE YOUR IDIOTS
Vote:SKYSTAR AIRPORT SERVICES WILL BE CLOSING OPERATIONS IN WA WITHIN 3 MONTHS
September 16th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
Paul, mate your an idiot of the highest calibre. You defy any resemblance of brains with your total lack of common bloody sense… and then you expect me to listen to a green as cucumber wet between the ears lacking any life skills uni student tell me builders make $30K per annum. If you have any issues put your address up and we will sort out any issues face to face.
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 6:08 pm
You and the jbot uni boy seem to be pretty close… are you two an item and share the same room in the Campus or are you two the same person. Paul mate are you a nurse, have you got any backbone and balls to tell us your job. You FISTED yourself really well with your idiotic silly views on builders. You crack me up that some geek like you can hold down a job and we get a laugh of following your narrow small views.
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 7:39 pm
Are you threatening me with violence? Mate your a joke, you claim to earning a fair income as a builder, yet you also state you live in Grafton. The problem? Grafton isnt exactly experiencing a building boom, in fact, I doubt many new houses are built here at all each year let alone enough to warrant a job out of it in the area. Your new persona is built on lies Roberto / Andrew.M (Take your pic).
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 7:55 pm
Nah Paul, Andrew M is a different person. His comments actually make sense and are not ranting gibberish. He also doesn’t stoop to childish name calling.
Does it also crack you up that “some geek like you” will soon be earning much more than you? It certainly cracks me up, only because from the contact we’ve had you appear to be an a**hole. You can build your houses, I’ll stick to bridges and skyscrapers thanks.
P.S. Grafton is a hole.
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Hey the Git club. Too embarrassed to tell us your job Paul. DUMB = Paul as he claims to be in so in touch with reality that he states builders make 30K a year. You and your little homie boys are the wusses. Iam a second dan in Zen Do Kai and could bowl you both up if you want; I promise to not take too long. Chicken boy!
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Lol I dont think he is building houses mate, just a lie, the only thing I can think of him building up is a claim for disability pension… he seems to fall very short when it comes to expressing his emotions through text.
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
Lol Klink I will give you this much, its in Business. Im not going to tell you exactly, because you dont have a right to know. What I can tell you, as I alraedy have, is that I will no doubt earn more money then you do out in Grafton in my first year of employment. Not saying Im better then you, Im sure you chose building for good reasons… lack of smarts.
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
Paul, least I have a real job building homes. You are sooooo ever out of touch that you have no credence when it comes to builders income and have zilch capacity to differentiate between a builder and a carpenter 1%. Mate, you would be a nurse as you seem so feeble a little wussy baby boy with nil life skills
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 8:07 pm
not sure why he would need to know the difference anyway. and its been established hes not a nurse..
ive had enough of this, so ill just be commenting on cars from now on.
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
oh, and its lucky youve got your “life skills”, cause there isnt much else going for you.
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
Mate your on the governments payroll if your doing building out in Grafton, on the dole. There is no way you get any work out their… your just lying as usual, its either you dont live in Grafton or you not a builder.
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 8:11 pm
JBOT & PAUL… let me make it worth time away from building. Both at same time you yellow belly chicken geeks. Any backbone to confirm where we meet up girls???
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 8:16 pm
Yeah meet up at Multiplex… 6pm tomoroz. Dont be late.
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
Where is that?
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 8:20 pm
Paul the Nurse>>>>>>> where is that and what town?
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 8:21 pm
Ok your thicker then I thought, Multiplex is a building and construction company, called a joke at your expense. Im having my doubts now that your even old enough to drive let alone have a decent job…. your inability to type supports such an idea.
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 8:25 pm
1. Exact location and exact time yellow belly wuss
Vote:2. I seriously told you of what quals I have in my training
September 16th, 2007 at 8:28 pm
Multiplex does buildings everywhere. Exactly which site do you want to meet up at. I will genuinely 100% come to see you
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Colonel, mate, honestly, I’ve never heard a grown man call someone a yellow belly chicken geek, or any of the other things you’ve called Paul and lbot. Normally I’d expect the older adult to be the bigger man and end it, but I just can’t see it in you. Just stop responding and let him blabber on Paul and hopefully he’ll stop too for everone else’s sake.
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
Lol yeah Im thinking that… he claims to be a builder yet doesnt know who Multplex are. He wants to have a fight and thinks Im going to defy any logic and meet up with someone over the internet, who will be crazy enough to use weapons to attack me.
Im done Klink, hopefully by tomoroz your done from visiting this site.
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 8:36 pm
Shall we get back to talking about cars on this post guys? Hey Klink you read the latest Motor with the article on the Phase 5 to come in 2010? 350 kws expected at least and only 100 units. Expect to pay over 6 figures though.
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 9:04 pm
Paul,
please dont use my name in your arguments. i am not the same person as klink so get over it. even Jbot can see i am not the same person and missile can also honestly say i am a different person.
just because i may share some views with klink doesnt mean we are the same. for one in no way have i ever or do ever resort to name calling like klink.
personally i believe there is some credibility in what klink says but it is sad he shows no maturity on this site in the way he puts his thoughts forward
Klink, mate work on your approach it would really go a long way
Vote:September 16th, 2007 at 9:08 pm
hey missile,
Vote:ah i havent heard that much on the phase 5 yet thats interesting.
yeah 100 units is more like it thats sure to appreciate in value with that sort of production restrictions.
hey what do you reckon about the possibility of a phase 5 typhoon variant??? the last hoorah for the I6 maybe 100 of each
September 17th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
Hi Andrew ,I would be thinking that the Phase 5 will happen finally. It seems our new Ford boss a fellow Tasmanian Rod Barrett is committed to reviving the HO badge but only to a worthy contender. I would imagine to be remembered for bringing such an iconic badge back finally would be a great feeling of accomplishment at your job,just like David Flint was to FPV he will always be remembered as the man that bought back the real GT again.
The challenges they note in the article is the engineers having a HO before 2010 is unlikely as they are having problems meeting power targets for the Orion’s new upgrade cause of the long stroke configuration of the 5.4 litre,so to look at getting the grunt one would expect in the limited amount of Ho’s to be released could only be achieved from forced induction not normally aspirated.Question is what form? Blown or Turbo. However Ford in the US is preparing to wholesale a new all alloy 5.0 litre supercharged for the 2008 XF Jag that is meant to put out around 350 kws.Only after the intro of the new 5.0 litre which will meet Euro IV standards that a Ho is feasible. As mentioned before I have been told by a source that FPV are currently trying a V10 now in Australia in a mule for the HO in 2010. ” Don’t expect the HO to be V8 “were their words.
So who knows,I guess we wait but I bet people are already wanting to put deposits down for the new Phase 5.
Andrew you may have to stop sweeping that garage and put the broom down and go and put your deposit down now for one.
They may if only 100 are being released do some sort of tender on them cause there will be 10 times more people will want one than will ever be released. One thing is for sure I doubt you will get any free mats thrown in ?
The pic they have of it in Motor I must say needs some improving ,they have a fake shaker scoop on the bonnet that needs to be removed and the stripes along the middle of the doors as they once had look silly .
Re your thoughts on a limited Ed for the I6 that’s leaving ,I thought that’s what they have just done on the new F6 R Spec? Or do you mean in an Orion ?
Vote:September 17th, 2007 at 6:09 pm
with the I6 i do mean in the orion
Vote:September 17th, 2007 at 6:35 pm
I would say a definitely some kind of hoora like TE 50 and TS 50 last of the Windsor’s . From memory they gave them and extra 30 kws over the standard XR8 at the time,you will correct me if I am wrong.
Unbelievable how well those things have kept their value too.
So if they are still calling them Phoons in the Orions I would think the last of the I6 will go out with a big bang ,not literally either.You would think that will be it for the Phoon then they will get a name change for the next V6 rocket that will come out.
Oh and Motor why would you put 351 in the decal of the 2010 GTHO ? I don’t think it will be a 5.8 litre as they were in the past!
Vote:September 17th, 2007 at 7:06 pm
you are right they did an XR8 Rebel at the end of the AU’s which sported a 220kw version and might i say a pretty good looking body kit with added grey hightlights.
Vote:September 17th, 2007 at 7:27 pm
So Andrew you think pro drive have done a good job since the took over Tickford ?
Almost bought the TS50 until we heard the BAGT was getting released ,seemed at the time all the TE and TS 50 owners disapproved of the new GT cause I guess it had such a big face lift and an improvement in power to boot.Now it seems they have stored the TS & TEs away ,yet another collectable I guess .Is nice to see them on the road still they still have great road presence I think for the age of the car. Will be worth more than the BA & BF GTs in years to come I think !
Vote:September 20th, 2007 at 7:48 pm
The GT may have 330+Kw. However; all an HSV owner has todo is send his car to Walkinshaw Performance where they will bolt on a supercharger which has the potential to push power upto around 400Kw and still retain factory warranty [as WP and HSV are related]
Ford owners could go to Herrod Motorsport for more power but that would void the factory warranty.
He could even go to can go toStarr Performance;
or better yet CAPA where they will be more than happy to give him up to 500Kw – Afterall they built a 1000Kw Holden Ute. If he added a PWR intercooler he would get even more power.
However; it doesnt really matter because until NT remove their speed limits there’s nowehere in Australia where you can use the power be it 300Kw-500Kw. Which is why Holden and Ford engineered their V8s to use the majority of their power and be most fuel efficient at cruising speeds of around 80-120Km/h.. as a result the 260Kw from both cars is about right.
To utilise the 300Kw-400Kw+ you would have to be travelling at well over 220Km’h which would reduce your fuel efficiency.. and at around $1.40 per litre [for premium] that can become an expensive exercise
Vote:September 20th, 2007 at 7:57 pm
missile the only thing missing since tickford changed is the model they would tickle like a tickford ghia etc. its a totally different set up now.
Vote:tell you what it would be nice to see a turbo fairmont and i think we will by what ive read. however i doubt the fairmont luxury image would ever be born in the FPV stables
October 4th, 2007 at 7:33 pm
QANTAS ARE TAKING OVER SKYSTAR AIRPORT SERVICES AND ALL JOBS WILL BE CUT JIM MONTY DOESNT CARE ABOUT ANYONE ELSE. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
FORD ROCK THE KAZBA Holdens are for blokes like jim montgomery so he can sit around the campsite with his 80 series landcruiser and with fishing rod holders on it. REBECCA CARLTON IS A FAT BLOND HAIRED SLUT
world domination means global constipation – think about it!!!
Vote:October 4th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
Delete this post above…. please,god you can tell its school holidays!
Vote:October 4th, 2007 at 7:55 pm
Hey skystar airport services Australia, WTF?
Vote:October 4th, 2007 at 8:05 pm
Hey Andrew what you think of FPRs new Cobra for the race ?
Post 208 on the Australian Ford Forum ,go to new posts and click on new GT .Looks real cool………..
Vote:October 4th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
SKYSTAR AIRPORT SERVICES AUSTRALIA!! I want to ask you some thing about airlines!!
Will V-Australia replace Virgin Blue or become a sepprate company? Ive seen a modle of the V-Australia planes and theres not a Dumb-blond-Maiden-holding-Australia-flag artwork on it. Are they going to kill the Virgin chick or not?
Vote:October 4th, 2007 at 8:15 pm
‘SASA’, are you going to answer my Question about Virgin Blue or are you just a one off person that makes a quick comment and never comes back.
Vote:October 4th, 2007 at 9:42 pm
Hey Bavarian Missile, gess what time you commented back about ‘SKYSTAR AIRPORT SERVICES’, at 7:47pm!! Get it, Boeing 747!
Vote:October 6th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
TO ME
THEY ARE A SEPERATE COMPANY
THANKYOU FOR YOUR REPLY, SKYSTAR ARE A LOUSY COMPANY TO WORK FOR AND IF ANYONE HERE KNOWS A GUY CALLED Lloyed Port-Lewis TELL HIM TO COME HERE OR MEET ME IN THE CARPARK.
BMW ROCK I GOT A 99 BMW 735I Hong Kong Ex Taxi, 92 fairmont and a ex persuit ss commodore
Vote:October 6th, 2007 at 5:24 pm
Thank you SKYSTAR AIRPORT SERVICES AUSTRALIA.
I was a bit upset when I thought they wanted to kill the Virgin Maiden, how dare they f***ing wanted to kill some chick holding the Australian flag.
Lloyd Port Lewis should find you soon.
Vote:October 6th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
Lloyd Port Lewis… WTF!!
Vote:October 6th, 2007 at 7:37 pm
HE IS AN EX WORK COLLEGE, NOT ANY MORE SINCE I QUIT. I SAID YOU CANT FIRE ME I QUIT
Vote:October 6th, 2007 at 7:38 pm
WHAT CAR DO YOU DRIVE DUDE?
Vote:October 6th, 2007 at 7:46 pm
I am led to Believe that V airlines is a seperate entitiy to Virgin Blue, but it is owned by richard Branson, They will be flying B777-300 and wierd european planes. Flying to Los Angeles and Canada at first starting from Brisbane Sydney and melbourne. I believe they start flying in July 2008
Vote:October 6th, 2007 at 8:53 pm
Vigin Blue planes are better looking than V-Australia planes because of the panting on the front. At least Virgin Blue shows the flag other than the rego nubers. Ford is good.
Vote:October 6th, 2007 at 8:58 pm
And i forgot to put the R in “VIRGIN”
Vote:October 8th, 2007 at 1:11 am
I hate using my old company name for this blog, from now on i will be known as the “Thrustmaster 5000.
Saw A Orion Falcon like the one in the pic today in Midland WA. Will Try and get some happy snaps, Saw it out the back of Toodyay Road, with a car bra on the front and back. Looks nice- Interior looks good too.
Vote:October 8th, 2007 at 11:27 pm
WILL GET PICS OF THE 2008 FALCON ILL TRY TOMMOROW, SAW THE CAR AGAIN ITS CURRENTLY IN THE MIDLAND FORD DEALERSHIP IN THE GARAGE WITH A CAR BRA ON IT.
Vote:October 11th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
Any luck with the pics Thrustmaster?
Vote:October 17th, 2007 at 12:26 am
No turns out i was fooled, My mate knows the Dealer principle and we had a closer look, this car is a special Ford LTD with GT Falcon go fast bits and apparently a Harrop Engineered 5.4L V8, and…….A Supercharger, 20 inch wheels 2 DVD screens in the rear seats, a center DVD player.QUAD EXHAUSTS, VERY NICE CAR
Vote:November 9th, 2007 at 10:14 am
hi guys a few things to start with first of all colenal klink lets face it you are not a black belt especially with any higher accreditations as if you were you would not be advertising the fact i know this iam an instructor in kumai ryu and if you wantd to meet up with someone i would be more than happy to show you what skills i have and well even do it in the ring and as for all you holden supporters lets face it all your good for is making excuses now u little brained peices of shit should have a good look at an au and an eb i have both there is no way possible for u to bolt the eb front onto an au secondly who cares if the 5.4 is out of an f-150 its still quicker than your chev motor and youre just teasing yourself by saying how old our motor is cos u know ours is better and our 6 cylinder turbo is quicker in every direction than your ve ss and i expect a reply from you sayin yeah but there turbo and yes they are and holden has a supercharged v6 oh have you driven one??? how gutless and crap can you get the holden v8 oh hangon holden doesnt make motors chev do haha is nothing the 6.0 litre is still slower than a xr6t wow holdens are so good and the reason ford is still called ford is because we dont have to have different names so our dumb ass supporters cant realise we copy there failed cars in america and europe and the easiest way to prove this is remember the all new australian built monaro? wow they look exactly like the pontiac gto of 94 yeahp there all new no and as for the ve lets face its a vauxhall and as for the new holden ute well wat do they look like haha you holden supporters should do some research before you bag out a far superior car company ford is ford everywere and were the best everywere and as for how good old holdens are if there so good why does an xy gt-ho pull over a million dollars yet a monaro still in the factory only got three hundred thousand ill answer for you were a better brand hahaha weres your comebacks now hahaha
Vote:November 9th, 2007 at 11:18 pm
does anyone know how to download some maddd MILF type porn, im realy busting to blow my load, someone giv me a hand please….!!!
Vote:November 9th, 2007 at 11:19 pm
by the way i love my fords, and my old skool corollas YEAHhhhhh
Vote:November 13th, 2007 at 9:36 pm
Is it just me or is holdens own rick kelly the biggest wanker in v8 supercars?, also the VE has a huge arse.The front lights look nice because they look like e BA copy
Vote:November 13th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
^You correct about pRick Kelly. God, he’s a friggin wanker LOL!
Vote:November 13th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
syko4d, the 5.4 isn’t an F-150 motor, thats what some Holdenwoo fans use as an excuse. The 5.4 used in the F-150 is a SOHC when the falcon V8 is DOHC. So any Holdenwoo fan that says the Boss V8 is an F-Series motor, tell them to get F**Ked!
Vote:December 2nd, 2007 at 11:46 am
A freind of mine wanted to check my BA XR 6 out and was also thinkin of getting a commodore or falcon. I said to her look I give holdens hottest six cylinder a run and I show you how much quicker they are than a commodore. Cruising in the city and I made my first run with a VE SV 6. By the time I got it into 3rd gear the commodore was in my rear view mirror. She was in the car with me and said those commodres are so slow and I rather buy a Ford. I converted a holden person into a Ford person last night by puttin my BA XR6 up against a VE SV6. I dragged the arse of the commodore and it still shows that ford are still killing holden in performance after 50 years. So she gonna get a XR 6 this weekend. FORD DOMAINATE HOLDENS(oldhens)FOREVER. Cant wait for the new 2008 falcon cause its gonna be the best car in this country
Vote:December 2nd, 2007 at 12:08 pm
hey the ford 6 is alot quciker then the holden, but look at our v8 is kills fords v8. so dont come out and say ford are better just because ure 6 is faster. and plus ford wont be having those 6s in 2010 because they getting rid of them for a cheaper 6 like the holden v6. so BK dont say ford dominate holdens because really they dont. they both have their weakneses
Vote:December 2nd, 2007 at 12:13 pm
Goog, When the current Ford V8 came out, it was faster than the engines in the Holdens. BTW, Holden just uses Chevrolet crate motors from overseas, when Ford has a plant in Australia and Ford are comming out with a 320kw GT and a 300kw F6.
Vote:December 2nd, 2007 at 12:19 pm
yeah i get your point but still it is a holden and our v8 we use is quicker and ur 6 is quicker.. thats all im saying.. and holdens ve gts series 2 will have around 330kw+. and i heard holden are thinking of making a new torana turboed
Vote:December 2nd, 2007 at 1:01 pm
Goog, you just wait and see what ford does, i have been watching with keen interest….. im pretty caetain that ford v8’s will break the 330kw figure… and quicker 6’s too. the orion will stop at nothing to conquer the commodore!
Torana is all hearsay, but i hope they build it i think it will be an exciting product.
All i can say is this, no one builds a better value for money performance car than the australian car market…. but if you want something that really peforms, go euro!
Vote:December 2nd, 2007 at 1:24 pm
Goog, did you hear about the Orion F6 6 secconds faster than the current one? By the sound of that, it would still be faster than the HSV if they do make it 330kw.
Ford have insiders that already know about what HSV are up to and Ford have enough time to respond with more power in the Orion models in may 2008. Sure HSV has a 7.0L, but that’s just a limited edition GTS-R.bbish… Ford can use a V10 for a GT-HO phase 5 that can better 400kw.
Vote:December 2nd, 2007 at 4:59 pm
and we could use the 7litre and add more power towards that.. even a little supercharger.. but yeah the new ford will go alright, but maybe not as good as what everyone is hearing
Vote:December 2nd, 2007 at 5:20 pm
Me..
Chevrolet have just unveiled a 6.2 Litre Twin Supercharged Pushrod V8 which when in moderate form can produce 485Kw. By moderate I mean it’s been down-graded for optimum efficiency.. so imagine what it could do with a bit of tweaking by HSV or even CAPA..[600Kw?]. as it will more than likely replace the current 6.0 Litre V8 Holden use
Then when the new TT-36 Torana is released it will have the next generation V6; as will the commodore. The new V6 is expected to produce 220Kw in standard form Therefore; in the Twin-Turbo Torana it should break the 300Kw mark
Oh and HSV are planning a Bang for your buck project – to sit below the clubbie which will use a Small Block Northstar V8.. an engine that produces approx 260Kw in standard form so with a bit of work by HSV there’s yet another 300Kw+ car
Vote:December 2nd, 2007 at 5:22 pm
Tonyn
At a GM board meeting early next year Bob Lutz is expected to give the go-ahead to the new Torana – which will also become the 2012 Pontiac G6.. at the same meeting it’s also expected that the Ute will become the Pontiac G8-ST [Sports Truck].
It’s one of the reasons so many GM execs [including Lutz] have visited the Elizabeth plant in recent months – for a review of GMs RWD projects which includes the Torana
Vote:December 2nd, 2007 at 5:25 pm
Yeah, It has a supercharger that’s still something ford can do to a V8 or a V10. Hopefully both XR8 & SS are over the 300kw some time next year.
Vote:December 2nd, 2007 at 5:30 pm
BK you seem to be one of these guys who give the rest of us car enthusiasts/street machiners a bad name [in the media].
Unless you got out of your car at the lights; went round and said to the driver of the SV6 [something like] “I’ll give you a race to the next set of lights” to which s/he agreed. Which I doubt you would/did. Then there was no race and so even if you beat the SV6 you didn’t really win anything., in a way you were the loser!
Vote:December 2nd, 2007 at 5:39 pm
Me
It’s fairly obvious that Ford is DETERMINED to beat Holden in terms of engine output. I mean the new Head at FPV virtually admitted one of his goals is to out do HSV
All I can say is that its a case of History Repeating because back in the 70s Holden was beating Ford.. Ford came up with the idea of the Phase 4.. then a photo of a GT doing 160Km/h plus on a public road made it into the sydney papers which started a “supercar scare”. As a result both the Phase 4 and the GT-X Monaro were canned because these cars were considered to be to powerful for our roads [or our drivers]
So if the new cars are considered to be too powerful; producing 300-400-500Kw it’s quite possible we could see a another scare with a similar result. [Bye bye HSV & FPV]
Yet why is it that inorder to produce more power both Ford and Holden are increasing engine capacity when BMW can get close to 400Kw out of a 4 litre V8 engine?
Vote:December 2nd, 2007 at 5:46 pm
That would be crap if “Supercar Scare” comes back, but that can also prevent a power war. I’m not so sure if thats good or bad
Vote:December 2nd, 2007 at 8:56 pm
wheelnut,
it is only really holden who keeps putting on the cubes.
fords new 6cyl is rumoured to have 230kw in stock form so when is holdens 220kw coming? i doubt they will get it out of their current motor.
also what does the torrie get? the same 3.6L?
the V8 power war keeps “see-sawing” so i dont think its fair to say one has always had more than the other. come next year with out a doubt ford will once again have the edge but the question is for how long? 2yrs top before they have to do something about it again
Vote:December 2nd, 2007 at 10:16 pm
Im still waiting from Holden to build an engine thats better than Fords 4 litre. Ford 6 cylinder da best. New 2008 orion is gonna be the best out there.
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 10:39 am
im a big holden fan, but yes i agree the ford 6 has so much more power than the holden 6, but i hear that holden is making a new 6 and it wont be as shit as the current 1.. but holden v8 does kill the ford. and that supercar scare shit if they bring that in it will be fukd
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 6:08 pm
Kill the Ford? They yet to finaly upgrade it after it was a killer to HSV at the time the Boss V8 came out.
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 6:37 pm
Ford 4 litre kills holden v8 to and I cant wait till they get that new v6 in the ford falcons in 2010. Who needs V8s just drive a falcon 6 cylinder. Even a 2 litre does a v8 so what is so good about Holden V8.
Vote:December 7th, 2007 at 10:32 am
Hey WHEELNUT
Vote:Did the SV 6 VE commodore with ease. It was my mates SV6 Ve that I easily dragged of. He was always wanting to give me a run and guess what the XR 6 shown holden who the BOSS is. I win so holdens lose again. Anybody else out there in a VE SV6 wanna give me a run. I give you a couple car lengths head start. FORD V8s dominate from the 60s to the 80s. FORD 4 litres dominate from the 90s to current. Cant wait for the Orion next year cause its gonna be the best car around in Australia. FORD AUSTRALIA STILL LEAD IN HIGH PERFORMANCE VEHICLES…
December 11th, 2007 at 11:38 pm
Seen the new Falcon today driving along Horseshoebend Road, Torquay at about 1030am. There where two cars following it and one in front of it. Its a great way to get everybodys attention as it did for me. Great camoflauge they use on it but the FORD badges stood out. I bet they be takin it on the Great Ocean road to give it a good run.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 11:03 pm
Seen the new falcon again today and still it looks better than the VE commodore even with all the camflauge on it. Holden should have spent the billion dollars on camoflauging the VE cause that is one ugly car. Holden VE commodore sales are falling fast for a car thats been out for a short time. Big mistake by holden and a waste of money as Ford always makes the smart moves with there new cars. The 4 litre is king of aussie muscle cars.
Vote:December 21st, 2007 at 8:53 pm
Im still waiting from Holden to build an engine thats better than Fords 4 litre. Ford 6 cylinder da best. New 2008 orion is gonna be the best out there.
Vote:Looks like they might have to slow the Fords down again soon. Poor old holden can never keep up
December 21st, 2007 at 9:33 pm
Hi BK…
Vote:I agree with the 4.0L six is better that Holdenwoo’s playdoh tec. It’s a shame Ford has to use a playdoh engine after 2010, but it will be a fuel effishint motor, so thats a plus.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:10 pm
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