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GM CEO: Bankruptcy “more probable”

By Matt Brogan |

General Motors’ CEO Fritz Henderson said the manufacturer will start notifying its dealers later this week on its plan to eliminate about 2,700 dealerships by 2010.

Mr Henderson also said bankruptcy is “more probable” now given the objectives GM has set for itself, but he would not quantify the likelihood of bankruptcy saying there is “still a chance we can do it outside of bankruptcy.”

“That specific plan is being finalised here early this week, and we’ll began notifying dealers later this week,” Mr Henderson said.

GM, staying afloat on $15.4 billion in US loans so far, is grappling with a government-imposed June 1st deadline to reach agreements to restructure operations and cut more than $40 billion in total debt.

Over the last several days, GM executives increasingly have signaled the possibility of a bankruptcy filing as the automaker has made little progress in negotiating with its bondholders.

GM wants bondholders to take 10 percent of stock in the reorganised company in exchange for about $27 billion in their debt.

Representatives of GM bondholders have said they are being offered an unfairly low payout. They have asked instead for a majority stake in the restructured company.

Mr Henderson said GM was still working on a time frame for how soon a dealership would have to close if it was selected to shutter.

That wind down would include GM buying back dealership signage, special tools and dealers’ unused inventory.

GM also would honor all warranties and work with dealers to make sure customers know they will continue to be serviced by other GM stores.

What do you think the likelihood of a GM bankruptcy is? Leave a comment now.


 
  • VW Freak

    …and the downward spiral continues.

  • RB

    Serves them right for producing low-quality, over-priced boring rubbish that anybody contemplating purchasing needs to see a shrink. Good riddance.

  • Howie-R31

    I’d say seems like about a 98% chance they’ll go bankrupt

  • adam (aka mada)

    The lack of understanding from some on here in relation to the auto industry is simply amusing…

    RB, you take the prize.

  • Reckless1

    I agree, Adam.

    Reading some of the comments makes me cringe. The ignorance displayed is mind boggling.

  • davie

    Regarding the comments on here aginst GM, some are displayed out of ignorance but there is no denying that GM has a reputation and history of poor quality cars and dubious/illegal practices.

    I recall my parents buying a VN commodore. The first car they ever bought brand new. My dad, a Holden man had previously owned FC, EH and HZ Holdens and was immensely proud about supporting Holden.

    It was a nightmare. The following happened within the first 18 months:

    • All four Door trims seals fell into the doors in the first week. After being reglued twice by Holden, each time they promptly fell in again in days.
    • The $600 coil pack sacrificed itself twice to save a $2 spark plug
    • The ceiling trim detached and sagged on peoples heads.
    • Welch plugs gave up
    • The cheap silver sticker (not chrome strip) on the bumper separated (All VN’s do this)
    • The back window rusted (All VN’s do this)
    • The doors sagged
    • The dodgy column shift indicator fell out off the column.

    IT cost them a lot of money in repairs and was worth nothing at trade in.

    Meanwhile, my 20 year old corolla kept soldiering on faultlessly and they used it when the VN was getting repaired (often)

    I don’t hate Holden or GM and wish them well. However no one in my family will ever buy a Holden again.

    Hurt someone badly enough and they don’t forget.

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    adam (aka mada) and Reckless1
    The above comments you reefer to are exactly why GM will hurt if they go with the bankruptcy option. The average punter does not understand what it means for GM. It is the best option I think, but you will need good PR and marketing strategies to get the message across.

  • adam (aka mada)

    The salesman,

    GM is already bankrupt, have been since Jan 09, it’s just not official.
    What is the alternative?

  • Bret

    I think that it is now a fait du accomplis.
    They have watched how Chrysler fared in the media and public arenas.
    They will go through bankruptcy and emerge once the dust settles. One just hopes that lessons are actually learnt.

  • adam (aka mada)

    Davie,

    ALL manufacturers suffer quality issues at some point.

    Toyota and Merc are two perfect examples.

    The VN was released in 1989, it’s 2009 and the commodore still exists.

  • adam (aka mada)

    Bret,

    Agreed.

  • Luke

    Some of you on this forum seem quite educated on this matter so I wanted to throw this out. I’m wondering what will happen to Holden if GM does go under? They will, as a matter of course, have to cease operations aswell won’t they? Its such a shame because with the Pontiac G8 and the Chevvy Camaro based on Holden engineering it would seem that while Holden is a shining light in the GM Brand it would inevitabley have to shut-down as well. As a Ford man, this still saddens me greatly as one of Australia’s best engineering companies ceases to be because of poor overseas mis-management and global recession.

    -Luke.

  • WRZ

    One would think it is more difficult for a company selling a product to trade out of Chapter 11 then a company that is selling a service.

  • Mark

    I am no expert, but I believe that “bankruptcy” has a different meaning in US law, i.e companies may still trade whilst bankrupt.

    I agree about the quality issues caused by cost-cutting at Holden since the early 80′s. e.g demise of the WB commercials. My father, who was a GM/H exec at the time argued against canning the WB with the young beancounters in Melbourne, but to no avail. Enter Rodeo…

    About 20 years ago, I was repairing my 1983 VH SL/E and found my 4.2L V8 only had a single timing chain, even though it had double sprockets! They must have saved a whole $5 there…

  • Daniel. W

    Personally if this was to eventuate, and GM did go bankrupt I would like to see Holden bought by PSA Peugeot/Citroen, the RWD platform and expertise would come in handy and its a downmarket brand that PSA can massmarket.

    Holden Cruze based on Pug 308? mmmmmm :)

  • davie

    Adam (aka Mada),

    you are correct, it is 2009, the commodore still exists and more real people spending their own hard earned cash (not govt and companies leasing), buy Mazda3′s than commodores.

    And I still wish holden/GM well but will never buy one after my families experience.

    As I said, you hurt people who once revered your brand hard enough and they won’t forget.

  • WVB

    we’re leaving now……..really i mean it, we’re out of here……….honestly GM is going ok……….are we all ok, are we clear on this….I mean……..bye…..really, i’m closing the door now. here i go, the door is closing.
    (muffled voice)……I’ve shut the door.

  • Odog

    Hi I thought I would link an interesting video from a US website where they discuss the possible implications of a GM bankruptcy. It features William Holstein, author of Why GM Matters: Inside the Race to Transform an American Icon.

    http://fora.tv/2009/04/06/GM_A_Behemoth_in_a_Troubled_Industry

    cheers

  • adam (aka mada)

    Davie,

    Your proof centres around the Mazda 3 having more private sales than the VE commodore? proves my ealier point about automotive knowledge even further.

    As i said ALL brands suffer quality issues…

  • Pablo

    Davie,
    I agree that the VN was not a high quality car back in the late 80′s. Makes you wonder why Toyota took it on under a ‘badge engineering’ scheme as the Lexcen

  • Jon

    Like who really cares if they go bankrupt, they are a low quality product whether its wearing a Chev badge or a Holden badge, they are not bad cars they just aren`t good cars and I hope they sink so we can get quality cars at a better price. I`m so sick of the Australian government propping up these low quality investments with my taxes.abolish the tariffs and bring on cheaper quality cars

  • Andrew M

    WVB,
    Totally agree with your angle on the story.

    I too cant understand why we get an update every week that headlines the same way.

    And from GM’s perspective, if they just went into Chap 11 with out mucking around, it would be all the bad press out of the way in one hit.
    Instead by now delaying it, it remains on the headlines with the world watching and talking about it.

    Their reputation/image is already ruined, i can hardly think slipping into #11 is gonna do them any more harm.

    Chrysler has bitten the bullet and we hardly here boo about it

  • Sund00bie

    Oh well, no real big loss.
    For the global economy, the sooner US stop making cars the better!
    I do feel for the employees but thats about it.

  • figjam

    “pablo” toyota was pushed into the lexcen/commodore joint venture by the then goverment, same as nissan and ford with the patrol/maverick deal, it was the worst thing toyota ever did! the day the joint venture closed toyota mechanics around australia though a huge party!toyota got the raw end of the deal but holden got great cars like the corolla/nova and camry/apollo and toyota got the worst car ever made the vn commodore!

  • figjam

    sorry guys my mistake “the worst car ever made” was the camira, the vn commodore was the 2nd worst!

  • Wheelnut

    In the old days [back in the 1930s-1960s] GM used to have dealerships which would sell a number of different GM cars in the one showroom [as did Ford; Chrysler and others]

    So if you were intersted in buying a Chevrolet a Buick or a Cadillac etc you wouldn’t have to drive all over town to look at cars from the various makes – they were all there in the one place for you to compare side by side.. making it alot easier not to mention more convenient

    Now it seems that GM are planning to go back to a similar set up.. and they say History never repeats

  • Andrew M

    Figjam,
    Also dont forget Ford supplied Nissan with utes in exchange for the “Maverick”

  • RWD

    Dont believe the GM Holden spin doctors……….Holden are in big trouble and the shit is about to hit the fan in a few weeks. GM has stated that they are going front wheel drive so the rear drive platform is now obsolete so that leaves nothing for Holden to do except import Daewoo’s………..and dont bank on the Daewoo Cruze being asembled here…….there is a strong chance it wont happen. I wouldnt buy any GM product because if the worst happens I will be left with no support for the standard quality problems\re-calls that GM Holden is famous for.

  • Wheelnut

    Which camry apollo are you referring to Figjam? because whilst the SV21 Camry from Japan was a reaonably good car the Aussie built “Wide Bodied” Camrys had as many mechanical and design faults not to mention build quality issues as the VN Commodore.

  • Andrew M

    RWD,
    where did GM state they werent going to accommodate RWD in their plans???
    Also Dont be fooled, the Holden name plate will live on in OZ. Manufacturing wont stop either.
    At worst case the commodore as we know it might change, but it will still live on

    Wheelnut,
    From what ive heard the camrys werent that great on quality either, but worse than a VN????

    My 2 bob is I reckon they will sell quite a few of these.
    Holden seem to have the knack of moving products through good marketing.

    To me the rear still screams Korean

  • Wheelnut

    RWD you obviously haven’t read the article on Autocar which talks about Vauxhalls future – after Opel is sold off

    The report says that if General Motors sells off its German subsidiary Opel, UK-based GM brand Vauxhall could be forced to source its cars from Asia and Australia.

    Vauxhall currently re-badges Opel cars in much the same way Holden does with its European-sourced Astra small car.

    But Opel’s impending sale has cast doubts over its continuing supply of cars to Vauxhall, in much the same way it has threatened future supply of the Astra to Holden.

    Autocar cites US sources who suggest GM is investigating a fall-back strategy for Vauxhall of sourcing small cars from its Korean subsidiary, GM Daewoo, and medium-large cars from Holden.

    And I don’t think that GM will go 100% FWD particularly as GM CEO has stated that the Corvette and the Camaro are two traditional/iconic cars that will survive the restructure -and that they will remain RWD like virually all other sport/performance cars from around the world are.

    And what platform underpins the Camaro the Aussie Designed Zeta platform same as the Commodore.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    quote “Holden seem to have the knack of moving products through good marketing.”

    hahah yeah just like Toyota Andrew ;) at least Holdens products don’t send you to sleep visually………..

  • Wheelnut

    As for your view that The Cruze won’t be built here – i tend to agree with you

    I think that given that Opel is likely to be sold off; the Cruze which is based on the Delta II platform [same as the Astra] will most likely end up being built in and imported from either Korea or China along with the Astra

    However; Holden will still build a small-medium sized car.. I think they will build the [Opel] Insignia.
    which will then be exported to Europe as a Vauxhall.

    Because whilst GM own Opel they can transfer production to other GM plants.. such as Holden or Daewoo.

    I don’t think this would stop whoever buys Opel from building the Insignia.. its just that the cars would problably end up looking very similar – although they will have to change the name

  • MazMagic

    I think each manufactuer do have some quality issues(as Adam said) – no ones perfect. But its is when a manufactuer makes too many bad products, then it becomes an issue……

  • Tom

    I was under the impression they had set a date?

    Wasnt the whole point of this ‘bankruptcy’ to sever union contracts, profitless divisions, and a shit load of useless management and brands and create a new lean GM? With just Chevrolet and Caddilac in the USA?

    Get rid of the overpaid workers, the health pensions and the useless companies (pontiac – gone, saturn, buick, GMC) which can all have their core models as chevrolet, and GM looks to be in a very strong position.

  • Wheelnut

    Tom the US congress have set a date for GM to submit their updated prestructure plans.. in which GM will consisto of 4 core US brands being Cheve Cadillac Buick and [for some reason] GMC.

    Internationally they intend to maintain a presence in Europe [Vauxhall]; and in the Asia Pacific [Holden].. oh they will also be keeping Daewoo.

    Daewoo will make the majority of their Small Cars such as the Astra and Cruze .. whilst Vauxhall and Holden will build medium-large sized cars such as the Commodore and Insignia thereby replacing the cars that were once made by Opel as it is going to be sold to Fiat

  • omgwot

    Not sure if they will go chapter 11 or not, don’t really care as long as they can keep going and keep as many people employed as they can. If they closed down the fallout would be massive worldwide. Jobs would be lost on so many levels from part makers to sales & service.

  • RoFlmaTiC

    Bankruptcy is as good as done:

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/lutz-and-other-top-gm-executives-sell-shares?dist=msr_3

    Even the execs are dumping what they have left of their shares.

  • http://caradvise.com.au Schah7

    Daniel.W
    Very little chance P.S.A Peugeot/Citroen buying Holden as
    they[P.S.A] are linked up with Ford Motor Company.!
    Sorry Daniel, Holden would be better off with Daewoo or the “Chinese”.! LOL.

  • http://caradvise.com.au Schah7

    Tom:
    Ya comments are “spot-on” for G.M. to survive,[which I dont care if they dont] they need to steam-line to become
    effcient and focus on a minimum of brands.
    i.e Super?Chev & Cadillac.

  • Frontman

    Wheelnut, one little thing about the pending sale of Opel is that the only suitor that they have with any real ability is Fiat and they have said they want Opel & Vauxhall. I reckon that, given GM’s situation, Fiat hold all theaces at present ans are in the box seat to get their own way.
    I still believe it will be Cruze built here because it really is the only thing left in the GM stable of that size when O/V is sold off. No I wouldn’t be expecting any sweatheart supply deals being done with the Italians neither.

  • lazybones

    “they need to steam-line ” , funny slip of the keyboard Schah7 because some would already say GM have a steam driven line with GMC :)

    Intersting theory Wheelnut but i doubt it. I agree with Frontman, Holdens hope is now in the hands of the Cruize. I’m tipping the restructure will create an All American (let me pause while i’ll i say god save America) GM with reduced international exposure. I’m expecting Reuss will go to Rudders for a bailout so Holden can make the Cruize. Which will hopefully make Holden more appealing to an international buyer. The commodore will most likely be scrubbed.

  • Tom

    Who on earth would be dumb enough to buy GM shares?

  • http://caradvise.com.au Schah7

    Lazybones
    Woops eh as you guess, should of said “stream-line” LOL
    Then again “steam” might just suit G.M because they’ve been famous for being “behind the times” when it comes to engine technology.
    i.e pushrod o.h.v V8′s

  • Bret

    Guys it’s the 2 door hatch versiom of the Cruze that WILL be built here (provided it actually still goes ahead).

  • Frontman

    Gee FigJam, you rate Camira worse than T18 & that Corona that ran the Starfire motor or the Paseo?? Even worse than a 120Y or a 200B?? Not to mention things like Trabants and stuff??
    As for the VN having problems, over what kind of period are we talking? Yet we still see VN being abused mercilessly every night near any 7/11 by the BOGANS you all hate and the cars stand up to it! SUch poorly built buckets hey? Don’t see many Australian built Skylines of same era, or Camry’s or that being flogged as hard, because they just don’t last.
    (BTW I have already confessed my allegance to the Blue Team, I just don’t like people bagging with unfounded rubbish)

  • Bret

    Frontman, I don’t think that the T18 belongs in your list.
    It was a half decent car. Aftermarket wheels/tyres improved handling immensly though. A 10 yo T18 would have been a far better car than any new Camira.
    I often wonder how Toyota went from building cars like the T18 to end up with todays Camry??? Somewhere something went very wrong.

  • Frontman

    Brett, T18 marketed as Macho Machine yet wheels headline for the road test was Mashmallow machine>>>> And the only thing to rust faster was a 180B

  • Bret

    The strut suspension was too soft, but as I said worked quite well with some decent rubber, the 1.8L 5 speed worked well in a light package (at a time when most 4cyl cars were 1.6 max and 4 speed), the hatch was huge and the pillarless/frameless doors were fantastic.
    Rust? Not my experience with a 5yo example.
    Oh and it was RWD!!

  • figjam

    “frontman” the corona with the 4cyl holden motor (6cyl blue motor with 2 cut off) was another goverment stuff up once again toyota got shafted it was part of the “button plan” (sharing of local components) and from the sounds of it way before your time,toyota had to remove the unbreakable 18R 4cyl and put in that lemon! the only bad toyota’s were when they parts shared with holden eg:lexcen! by the way the t18 was a good car but had terrible suspension for australia, fit a rear sway bar and wide wheels and tyres and hey presto a handling t18 and i have never seen a t18 rust, was that one on fraser island? you THINK you know everything “frontman” how come you didn’t know the 4 cyl holden corona story!

  • Phil C.

    If GM go bankrupt, then GMHolden will almost certainly too.

    Henderson recently said that going into Chapter 11 would have consequences on the foreign operations which might mean they too need to enter bankruptcy.

    I love my Fords but I don’t want GMHolden to die.

  • figjam

    worst built australian cars no1: holden camira (all models) no2: holden vn commodore (they sold bucket loads so that’s why there are still a few around that is the one’s that weren’t wraped around a tree or power pole) no3: holden gemini (all models)

  • Wheelnut

    Frontman – Whilst GM own Opel they also own the rights to their designs & names of their cars such as the Insignia.. GM also has the power to decide which cars are made where etc..

    Therefore; GM could decide that Insignias will be built at the Holden factory in Elizabeth as well as the Opel factory in Europe.. and install similar tooling/robots

    Not only that but since reports of Opels impending sale were made public GM has said that they plan to transfer production of the Astra and Corsa from Europe to Korea where Daewoo will build future model Corsas and Astras.
    So why wouldn’t they transfer production of the Insignia from Europe to Australia before Opel is sold?

    As whoever buys Opel can only buy the tooling belonging to Opel [in Opels factories] not Holdens or Daewoos

    So both companies [that being GM-Holden Op-iat] could end up building similar looking cars – However; if it happens I suspect Holden would have to change the name.. from Insignia to Torana perhaps?

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Figjam your full of it as usual……….now go get my beef and black bean and plawn clackers…………..

  • figjam

    anyway as much as i love to bag holden i would never like to see holden shut down! australia needs it’s motor industry (all 3)and the jobs it generates for both the factory’s and its suppliers! it sounds very much like amercia will very shortly be a two or three car mass manufacturing country!

  • figjam

    hey bm that’s why i am “the figjam”

  • Miniskip

    Figjam you say that they made/ sold loads of VN Commodores
    However its nothing compared to the HQ.. Have alook at this

    VB Commodore – 95;906 cars
    VL Commodore – 151;801 cars
    VN Commodore – 215;180 cars
    462;887

    Compared to HQ Kingswoods – 485;650

    And thers still a considerable number of Q-ies on the roads

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Self praise is no recommendation………….

    You have made your point quiet clear previously on this site of your hatred for Ford and Holden and you look forward to their demise,your not going to make friends now dude by sucking up……….As Ive said before dont let the door hit you when you leave…………. DB

  • figjam

    yes they did sell a lot of Q’S those were the days when holden commanded 30-35% market share,a lot has changed hasn’t it! and “minskip” most of the Q’s left would be put away as collectors?

  • figjam

    “bm” shutting down any local manufacturing and fully importing all new cars into this country is not going to be any good for current or future jobs in this country and before you “rudely interrupted me” i said we need a local car industry in australia! now go get my slippers!

  • Miniskip

    Only the “REAL” Monaros [Coupes] would be collectables the others are either still being used as daily commuters or out on farms or….

    As Frontman said Holdens build quality might not be as good as Toyota or Nissan Or Honda However; they can take alot more “punishment” [burnouts etc] than what your average Japanese Import can

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Trying to “save face” Jammed Fig?

    You have been bagging Holden and Ford on this site for a month, wanting their demise!

    Now no MSG in that thanks ;)

  • Wheelnut

    Figjam – My uncle would be happy that [unlike pmost people]you don;t think that the P-76 is the worst Aussie built car

  • Frontman

    FigJam, the other part you neglect to remember about the starfire Corona is that the boy trims, interior, seats and suspension whilst when new “Looked” way more luxurious than the Australian offerings, they deteriorated at a much faster level. Faster even than a JB Camira. Fast forward to your next time line, again we see trims and interior and suspension components failing on the SV21′s, Pintara /Skyline’s and 929′s in at least the same time frame but generally quicker than the Ford and Holden offerings.
    Oh and don’t make assumptions about who you talk to, I was selling SV21′s when released after having done my apprenticeship and 4 years on the spanners. ;-)

  • figjam

    hey wheelnut remember the p76 got “wheels car of the year” that was before holden bought shares in the magazine!

  • Wheelnut

    Figjam if Holden have shares in Wheels Magazine then Toyota/Lexus must have shares in Dog & Lemon Guide

    Because whilst it may appear that every month there is a Holden on the front cover of Wheels.. It can be said that the only car that is yet to receive a negative review from Mr Clive Matthew Wilson wears a Toyota badge.

    Thing is they are both publications which are intended to keep people up to date as to what is going on in the Auto Industry.. such as inform them about new cars and compare them to their rivals etc

    It’s not Wheels fault that GM-Holden is one of the more high profile issues in the Auto Industry ATM.. Nor is it Wheels fault that [over the last cople of years] Toyota are yet to release a car of any real note or interest
    one with leading edge technology let alone innovative features or design etc.. I mean where is the new Supra?

  • rhobbhyy

    cars are essential…Hope the government can find solutions..

    • gr

      spammer!!!