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		<title>By: stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/30280/german-vs-australian-car-culture/#comment-299024</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 00:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a German living in the US, I can say that the car culture in Germany is very unique when compared with the rest of the world. For example, in Germany, you have to be 18 to get a driver&#039;s license, it costs you an arm and a leg, and you have to go out with a driving instructor who teaches you how to drive safely at those speeds. They didn&#039;t just one day decide to raise the speed limits. Each time you take the driving test, it costs you an arm and a leg, and there is a maximum number of times you are allowed to take the test. Another thing, the number of lanes is not the deciding factor in how fast you can drive on a highway. The autobahn is a minimum of 1 meter thick, has a maximum 6% grade, and it is a very serious crime to drive in the left lane. Road crews also only have 24 hours to fix any potholes in the roads, you do not see the same potholes for years at a time - hitting one of those at 300km/h can kill a lot of people. I enjoyed your article, but you ignored the most important part of driving in Germany - safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a German living in the US, I can say that the car culture in Germany is very unique when compared with the rest of the world. For example, in Germany, you have to be 18 to get a driver&#8217;s license, it costs you an arm and a leg, and you have to go out with a driving instructor who teaches you how to drive safely at those speeds. They didn&#8217;t just one day decide to raise the speed limits. Each time you take the driving test, it costs you an arm and a leg, and there is a maximum number of times you are allowed to take the test. Another thing, the number of lanes is not the deciding factor in how fast you can drive on a highway. The autobahn is a minimum of 1 meter thick, has a maximum 6% grade, and it is a very serious crime to drive in the left lane. Road crews also only have 24 hours to fix any potholes in the roads, you do not see the same potholes for years at a time &#8211; hitting one of those at 300km/h can kill a lot of people. I enjoyed your article, but you ignored the most important part of driving in Germany &#8211; safety.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/30280/german-vs-australian-car-culture/#comment-235242</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Learn to drive, Stupid” 

Key point of the whole article and you fail to even mention it. In Germany, getting your licence is a costly and difficult procedure where you must actually know how to drive (?!) to obtain a licence. therefor getting your licence is a serious privilege. here it is all too easy to get your licence and is seen as a &#039;right&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Learn to drive, Stupid” </p>
<p>Key point of the whole article and you fail to even mention it. In Germany, getting your licence is a costly and difficult procedure where you must actually know how to drive (?!) to obtain a licence. therefor getting your licence is a serious privilege. here it is all too easy to get your licence and is seen as a &#8216;right&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 03:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact while we were at ABT, we saw an old Audi S2 tuned to over 450bhp, owned by a 74-year-old grandmother, no joke&quot; 

LOL, LOL, and LOL again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact while we were at ABT, we saw an old Audi S2 tuned to over 450bhp, owned by a 74-year-old grandmother, no joke&#8221; </p>
<p>LOL, LOL, and LOL again.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 02:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow great story. Australia sounds a lot like America as far as traffic laws are concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow great story. Australia sounds a lot like America as far as traffic laws are concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Car fanatic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Car fanatic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, point four is way to relevant to many drivers, I applaud your post for ingenuity and entertainment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, point four is way to relevant to many drivers, I applaud your post for ingenuity and entertainment.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear &quot;Confused&quot;

1. Australian motorways vs german. Yes you are right to some extent but it is a chicken and egg problem. If the original design spec of the highway is always 110k/h then that&#039;s all they will build it to. Australia needs to get out of the stone age and start building mega highways spec&#039;d to 250k/h. This is what Germany did with the Autobahn network 70 years ago, and look what it has done for their car industry

2. Cars are not built for that speed? Are you an automotive engineer? Modern cars are more than capable of cruising at 130k/hr (if they weren&#039;t they would fall apart just from normal everyday slow driving!) The point people are trying to make here is driver maturity and knowing your car. If you were to drive at an obviously excessive speed for your car and conditions on an unrestricted highway, cops would have every right to pull you over and fine you massively. This is the difference in paradigms. People think it is just about the car, but it is more about the driver than the car. As technology improves, the safety, speed, power and reliability of cars increases. Cars today are so much more powerful, more safe, stop and turn incredibly well compared to 50 years ago yet people still manage to crash them at the same rate even though the speed limits have not changed in those 50 years! 

3. Speeding is never justified? In a place like Australia where there are massive massive distances to cover, high speeds are justified. Taking twice as long to cover a distance at a crawling pace causes driver fatigue, which can have fatal consequences. Australia needs an interstate unrestricted megahighway system (the Australian autobahn!) We need to push the limits of road and car design for technology to continuously improve, currently we are nearly going backwards. Northern Territory was a good example of unrestricted highways working effectively in Australia. Despite being a less than ideal network, two lane highways with huge road trains everywhere, it worked. Drivers maintained their own speed, were curteous to others and covered the massive distances in an efficient time. Recently NT caved in to the beurocracy and implemented a 130k/h limit

4. You should catch the train, your thinking disqualifies you from driving a car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear &#8220;Confused&#8221;</p>
<p>1. Australian motorways vs german. Yes you are right to some extent but it is a chicken and egg problem. If the original design spec of the highway is always 110k/h then that&#8217;s all they will build it to. Australia needs to get out of the stone age and start building mega highways spec&#8217;d to 250k/h. This is what Germany did with the Autobahn network 70 years ago, and look what it has done for their car industry</p>
<p>2. Cars are not built for that speed? Are you an automotive engineer? Modern cars are more than capable of cruising at 130k/hr (if they weren&#8217;t they would fall apart just from normal everyday slow driving!) The point people are trying to make here is driver maturity and knowing your car. If you were to drive at an obviously excessive speed for your car and conditions on an unrestricted highway, cops would have every right to pull you over and fine you massively. This is the difference in paradigms. People think it is just about the car, but it is more about the driver than the car. As technology improves, the safety, speed, power and reliability of cars increases. Cars today are so much more powerful, more safe, stop and turn incredibly well compared to 50 years ago yet people still manage to crash them at the same rate even though the speed limits have not changed in those 50 years! </p>
<p>3. Speeding is never justified? In a place like Australia where there are massive massive distances to cover, high speeds are justified. Taking twice as long to cover a distance at a crawling pace causes driver fatigue, which can have fatal consequences. Australia needs an interstate unrestricted megahighway system (the Australian autobahn!) We need to push the limits of road and car design for technology to continuously improve, currently we are nearly going backwards. Northern Territory was a good example of unrestricted highways working effectively in Australia. Despite being a less than ideal network, two lane highways with huge road trains everywhere, it worked. Drivers maintained their own speed, were curteous to others and covered the massive distances in an efficient time. Recently NT caved in to the beurocracy and implemented a 130k/h limit</p>
<p>4. You should catch the train, your thinking disqualifies you from driving a car.</p>
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		<title>By: Car Fanatic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Car Fanatic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, I moved back here for the weather, and even though the UK has speed limits similar to our own, the motorways, in particular the M23 is a great road to speed along, not get caught and not endanger any other drivers. Now I&#039;m back in Oz I do stick to the speed limit, but find it frustrating because our drivers are so crap and our cops are a bit over the top.

There is such a thing as safe speeding, Germany is proof of this, we just need to be more sensible on the road, more courteous and have some roads designated higher speed limits.

Great Article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, I moved back here for the weather, and even though the UK has speed limits similar to our own, the motorways, in particular the M23 is a great road to speed along, not get caught and not endanger any other drivers. Now I&#8217;m back in Oz I do stick to the speed limit, but find it frustrating because our drivers are so crap and our cops are a bit over the top.</p>
<p>There is such a thing as safe speeding, Germany is proof of this, we just need to be more sensible on the road, more courteous and have some roads designated higher speed limits.</p>
<p>Great Article.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats completely true! One really has to bear your point in mind.

As i said, i couldnt imagine living in a country without deristricted highways, but i couldnt imagine to live in a country with people who did not learn proper driving allowed driving on highways, either.

So i think proper driving is the main assumption.

Greeting from Germany,

Hans</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats completely true! One really has to bear your point in mind.</p>
<p>As i said, i couldnt imagine living in a country without deristricted highways, but i couldnt imagine to live in a country with people who did not learn proper driving allowed driving on highways, either.</p>
<p>So i think proper driving is the main assumption.</p>
<p>Greeting from Germany,</p>
<p>Hans</p>
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		<title>By: S,I,S,</title>
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		<dc:creator>S,I,S,</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S,A,R</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S,A,R</p>
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		<title>By: JDG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JDG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem, here in America, is that it is far too easy to obtain driving privileges. In Germany, people are taught to drive before strapping themselves into 2 tons of glass and steel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem, here in America, is that it is far too easy to obtain driving privileges. In Germany, people are taught to drive before strapping themselves into 2 tons of glass and steel.</p>
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