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	<title>Comments on: Holden suspends Astra imports</title>
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		<title>By: Notafanboi</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/29606/holden-suspends-astra-sales/#comment-149080</link>
		<dc:creator>Notafanboi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the thing, where do you reckon the BMW 320D series and Mercedes C class (some W204) are made? South Africa, along with the Ford Focus and some VWs. European quality? Only the name is european.

So, forget your preconceived ideas and *look* at what you are buying. Get in the car, twiddle every knob and lever, poke every panel, mess around with everything that moves. Then take it for a long drive - btw when the salesman starts giving you instructions &quot;turn left here, turn right here&quot;, ask him who is test driving the car? Accelerate hard, brake hard, corner fast - and yes warn the salesman you&#039;re going to do so :)

The Cruze will be made in Australia from the 3rd quarter next year. For local jobs sake I hope it&#039;s a good car, but I can tell you this much, try to buy one today and it&#039;s a 4 month wait for a CDX because demand is very high right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the thing, where do you reckon the BMW 320D series and Mercedes C class (some W204) are made? South Africa, along with the Ford Focus and some VWs. European quality? Only the name is european.</p>
<p>So, forget your preconceived ideas and *look* at what you are buying. Get in the car, twiddle every knob and lever, poke every panel, mess around with everything that moves. Then take it for a long drive &#8211; btw when the salesman starts giving you instructions &#8220;turn left here, turn right here&#8221;, ask him who is test driving the car? Accelerate hard, brake hard, corner fast &#8211; and yes warn the salesman you&#8217;re going to do so :)</p>
<p>The Cruze will be made in Australia from the 3rd quarter next year. For local jobs sake I hope it&#8217;s a good car, but I can tell you this much, try to buy one today and it&#8217;s a 4 month wait for a CDX because demand is very high right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Byron</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/29606/holden-suspends-astra-sales/#comment-138491</link>
		<dc:creator>Byron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 02:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be sad if Holden Astra went. Its a really good looking car.I don&#039;t see why Holden can&#039;t just still sell it a a higer price. If a 25K Volkwagen Golf can make it into the top 20 best selling cars each month, why can&#039;t Astra. I think just keep it in the range &amp; see how buyers react. Or axe AH till all new-model arrives. Go HOLDEN!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be sad if Holden Astra went. Its a really good looking car.I don&#8217;t see why Holden can&#8217;t just still sell it a a higer price. If a 25K Volkwagen Golf can make it into the top 20 best selling cars each month, why can&#8217;t Astra. I think just keep it in the range &amp; see how buyers react. Or axe AH till all new-model arrives. Go HOLDEN!</p>
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		<title>By: franz chong</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/29606/holden-suspends-astra-sales/#comment-130781</link>
		<dc:creator>franz chong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 06:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be nice if everything Under Commodore,Statesman,Caprice and Ute was An Opel Again.
Me I plan to stick with Japanese Cars.You know what the worse part of buying a Volkswagen is?Having to take it to the same place to get it serviced as a Bentley or Jaguar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be nice if everything Under Commodore,Statesman,Caprice and Ute was An Opel Again.<br />
Me I plan to stick with Japanese Cars.You know what the worse part of buying a Volkswagen is?Having to take it to the same place to get it serviced as a Bentley or Jaguar</p>
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		<title>By: Opel? Nothanks</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/29606/holden-suspends-astra-sales/#comment-130131</link>
		<dc:creator>Opel? Nothanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Opel? Nothanks</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/29606/holden-suspends-astra-sales/#comment-130129</link>
		<dc:creator>Opel? Nothanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“European and Australian cars consistently lag behind their Asian competitors in quality, according to confidential industry figures obtained by the Herald.

The figures confirm similar surveys overseas, which have shown that US- and European-built cars largely lag behind Korean and Japanese cars on quality.” 

Extracted from Sydney Morning Herald

http://www.smh.com.au/news/new.....47562.html 

Most of Australian have a misconception that European Brands are generally more reliable than Korean and Japanese brands…As I proved above, it is simply a myth..

As I mentioned several times, do not buy European made car, they are craps!! They are even worse than Daewoo in terms of quality..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“European and Australian cars consistently lag behind their Asian competitors in quality, according to confidential industry figures obtained by the Herald.</p>
<p>The figures confirm similar surveys overseas, which have shown that US- and European-built cars largely lag behind Korean and Japanese cars on quality.” </p>
<p>Extracted from Sydney Morning Herald</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/new.....47562.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/news/new&#8230;..47562.html</a> </p>
<p>Most of Australian have a misconception that European Brands are generally more reliable than Korean and Japanese brands…As I proved above, it is simply a myth..</p>
<p>As I mentioned several times, do not buy European made car, they are craps!! They are even worse than Daewoo in terms of quality..</p>
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		<title>By: Opel? Nothanks</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/29606/holden-suspends-astra-sales/#comment-130128</link>
		<dc:creator>Opel? Nothanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vectra is a lemon too...

http://www.fastlane.com.au/News/Holden_Vectra_lemon.htm

&quot;search resultsVectra dubbed a lemon - David takes on Goliath 27/1/00
Vectra dubbed a `lemon&#039; - David takes on Goliath. by Gary Warner ... group from one Steve Keen, an obviously unhappy owner of a Holden Vectra &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vectra is a lemon too&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fastlane.com.au/News/Holden_Vectra_lemon.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fastlane.com.au/New....._lemon.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;search resultsVectra dubbed a lemon &#8211; David takes on Goliath 27/1/00<br />
Vectra dubbed a `lemon&#8217; &#8211; David takes on Goliath. by Gary Warner &#8230; group from one Steve Keen, an obviously unhappy owner of a Holden Vectra &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Cupid Stunt</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/29606/holden-suspends-astra-sales/#comment-130126</link>
		<dc:creator>Cupid Stunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opel? Nothanks - Guess you like Korean cars then. Fool!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opel? Nothanks &#8211; Guess you like Korean cars then. Fool!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/29606/holden-suspends-astra-sales/#comment-130121</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez these Ford fanzies on here are try hards, pity, Ford can&#039;t even sell ice to the eskimos....hahahahaha

If I wanted a Ford, I&#039;d buy a Mazda...hahahahaha.
Ford dealer service is shiit !!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez these Ford fanzies on here are try hards, pity, Ford can&#8217;t even sell ice to the eskimos&#8230;.hahahahaha</p>
<p>If I wanted a Ford, I&#8217;d buy a Mazda&#8230;hahahahaha.<br />
Ford dealer service is shiit !!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/29606/holden-suspends-astra-sales/#comment-130120</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you will find Holden will tune the Cruze&#039;s suspension for local conditions, which is always better than Europes set-up.
Holden did this with the Astra and Vectra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you will find Holden will tune the Cruze&#8217;s suspension for local conditions, which is always better than Europes set-up.<br />
Holden did this with the Astra and Vectra.</p>
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		<title>By: Riker</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/29606/holden-suspends-astra-sales/#comment-130057</link>
		<dc:creator>Riker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have said it many times before, i&#039;ll say it again. &#039;Holden, the largest Korean car company in Australia&#039;. Sad, isn&#039;t it........................!

Never will a Lion badge be resting in my garage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have said it many times before, i&#8217;ll say it again. &#8216;Holden, the largest Korean car company in Australia&#8217;. Sad, isn&#8217;t it&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;!</p>
<p>Never will a Lion badge be resting in my garage.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 02:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can sit here and argue all you want about how good or crap the Astra is. But lets face it, what is Holden going to offer as a replacement in the same category? The alternatives are worse.

People will just start buying from a different manufacturer... that is... the people that care. The ones that don&#039;t, won&#039;t know better and still think they&#039;re buying a Holden despite the fact that their car was made by a brand they probably think is rubbish.

These people will keep the brand alive. There are plenty of them.

Everyone else will move to other marquees. So be it. At the end of the day it doesn&#039;t really matter to any of us. All that matters is that you make the right choice for yourself when you buy a car. Whether that means finding one with the badge depicting the actual manufacturer of the car, or the best fit, regardless of its origins. It&#039;s really up to the consumer at the end of the day.

SteveC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can sit here and argue all you want about how good or crap the Astra is. But lets face it, what is Holden going to offer as a replacement in the same category? The alternatives are worse.</p>
<p>People will just start buying from a different manufacturer&#8230; that is&#8230; the people that care. The ones that don&#8217;t, won&#8217;t know better and still think they&#8217;re buying a Holden despite the fact that their car was made by a brand they probably think is rubbish.</p>
<p>These people will keep the brand alive. There are plenty of them.</p>
<p>Everyone else will move to other marquees. So be it. At the end of the day it doesn&#8217;t really matter to any of us. All that matters is that you make the right choice for yourself when you buy a car. Whether that means finding one with the badge depicting the actual manufacturer of the car, or the best fit, regardless of its origins. It&#8217;s really up to the consumer at the end of the day.</p>
<p>SteveC</p>
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		<title>By: Limited Slip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Limited Slip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said TSi............Holden easily have the worst range of cars in Australia, every one is at the bottom of its class.......including VE which is not even close to FG or aurion\camry. why do people buy this shit? wake up Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said TSi&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Holden easily have the worst range of cars in Australia, every one is at the bottom of its class&#8230;&#8230;.including VE which is not even close to FG or aurion\camry. why do people buy this shit? wake up Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: tSi..</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/29606/holden-suspends-astra-sales/#comment-129920</link>
		<dc:creator>tSi..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From April Holden is Daewoo, go and change your badge Holden... There are 3 korea brand in Australia now.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From April Holden is Daewoo, go and change your badge Holden&#8230; There are 3 korea brand in Australia now&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Modified car club news</title>
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		<dc:creator>Modified car club news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 13:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another big manufdactiurer under fire in hard times !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another big manufdactiurer under fire in hard times !</p>
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		<title>By: Modified car club</title>
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		<dc:creator>Modified car club</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 13:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vauxhall and Holden Need To Sort There Problems Out.

If they dont they wont survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vauxhall and Holden Need To Sort There Problems Out.</p>
<p>If they dont they wont survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Shak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This car is not meant for those people who want a sporting drive from say something like a focus or current golf. It is the bargain basement basement car that Holden is giving us. It has good interior quality as most of the switchgear is from the Insignia. At the moment the world is money concious and the majority of customer would rather have a well equipped car and a safe one rather than one that goes around a corner fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This car is not meant for those people who want a sporting drive from say something like a focus or current golf. It is the bargain basement basement car that Holden is giving us. It has good interior quality as most of the switchgear is from the Insignia. At the moment the world is money concious and the majority of customer would rather have a well equipped car and a safe one rather than one that goes around a corner fast.</p>
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		<title>By: JEKYL &#38; HYDE</title>
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		<dc:creator>JEKYL &#38; HYDE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as many people have allready mentioned,it&#039;s really not the exchange rate,lack of demand,or build quality thats stopping it coming in...what utter b.s. that is.

must hard for holden in the small-med car range right now.no viva.no astra.barina&#039;s at 20 grand,when kia&#039;s are 13 drive away.cruze&#039;s not here so 2 or so months.break out the cards gents...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as many people have allready mentioned,it&#8217;s really not the exchange rate,lack of demand,or build quality thats stopping it coming in&#8230;what utter b.s. that is.</p>
<p>must hard for holden in the small-med car range right now.no viva.no astra.barina&#8217;s at 20 grand,when kia&#8217;s are 13 drive away.cruze&#8217;s not here so 2 or so months.break out the cards gents&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Wal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Astra? A great car. Have had three of them. Great build quality, safety and reliability. Never a problem. And am about to update my car again.......but if Holden thinks I will even consider buying Korean rubbish, they have another thing coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astra? A great car. Have had three of them. Great build quality, safety and reliability. Never a problem. And am about to update my car again&#8230;&#8230;.but if Holden thinks I will even consider buying Korean rubbish, they have another thing coming.</p>
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		<title>By: crouchy</title>
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		<dc:creator>crouchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 01:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that talks to sell Opel may be progressing faster than we expected. To me this simply looks like a case of the &#039;potential&#039; new owner say &quot;stop selling them, you will no longer sell our cars&quot;. Don&#039;t be surprised if this new owner never brings this car back either..

I mean seriously, why would you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that talks to sell Opel may be progressing faster than we expected. To me this simply looks like a case of the &#8216;potential&#8217; new owner say &#8220;stop selling them, you will no longer sell our cars&#8221;. Don&#8217;t be surprised if this new owner never brings this car back either..</p>
<p>I mean seriously, why would you?</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opel NoThanks - you say that Daewoos are more reliable and Vivas have less issues than Astras

Well of course they would particularly when you take into account the number of Astras sold compared to thre number of Vivas.. the ratio of Astras to Vivas on our road would be at least 5:1

Therefore; given that there are less Vivas on our road the sample is much samller. Whereas because there are substantially more Astras out there you are more likely to find one that has a problem oof some sort 

Then of course it depends on whether or not you consider it to be a major or a minor problem

However having said that - when you look at the number of Astras that Holden have sold the number of Astras with a problem would be relatively small.. It&#039;s all relative mate

Either way the fact that there are still so many Astras still driving around kind of dispels your theory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opel NoThanks &#8211; you say that Daewoos are more reliable and Vivas have less issues than Astras</p>
<p>Well of course they would particularly when you take into account the number of Astras sold compared to thre number of Vivas.. the ratio of Astras to Vivas on our road would be at least 5:1</p>
<p>Therefore; given that there are less Vivas on our road the sample is much samller. Whereas because there are substantially more Astras out there you are more likely to find one that has a problem oof some sort </p>
<p>Then of course it depends on whether or not you consider it to be a major or a minor problem</p>
<p>However having said that &#8211; when you look at the number of Astras that Holden have sold the number of Astras with a problem would be relatively small.. It&#8217;s all relative mate</p>
<p>Either way the fact that there are still so many Astras still driving around kind of dispels your theory</p>
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