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	<title>Comments on: Aussie carmakers &#8220;missed&#8221; move to small cars &#8211; Ford boss</title>
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		<title>By: Cupid Stunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupid Stunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poss agree Andrew but the humble Astra VXR is 25% cheaper and better looking again. Yours truly Vauxhall Man. Ha Ha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poss agree Andrew but the humble Astra VXR is 25% cheaper and better looking again. Yours truly Vauxhall Man. Ha Ha.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/29217/aussie-carmakers-missed-move-to-small-cars-ford-boss/comment-page-1/#comment-129511</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do a big burnout aye, like just massive. Do it, just do it. Do it, nust do it. I love ford n fpvs, there so awesome with all the awesomeness. Holdens and hsvs are shit as</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do a big burnout aye, like just massive. Do it, just do it. Do it, nust do it. I love ford n fpvs, there so awesome with all the awesomeness. Holdens and hsvs are shit as</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cupid,
I would much rather be seen in the 3 door RS focus ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cupid,<br />
I would much rather be seen in the 3 door RS focus ;)</p>
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		<title>By: phillip</title>
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		<dc:creator>phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point is that all bets could be off depending on what happens to General Motors and its subsidiaries. If the company is split then the European Astra may not be available to Holden, which I believe is what Alex was getting at.

Sure, as you said, GM has a new global platform that the next Astra will be based on, but Australia is more likely to be on the more, shall I say, budget-focused end of that deal, meaning that the while Europeans will be driving around in their hot looking Astras, we will be left with some awkward looking Korean thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is that all bets could be off depending on what happens to General Motors and its subsidiaries. If the company is split then the European Astra may not be available to Holden, which I believe is what Alex was getting at.</p>
<p>Sure, as you said, GM has a new global platform that the next Astra will be based on, but Australia is more likely to be on the more, shall I say, budget-focused end of that deal, meaning that the while Europeans will be driving around in their hot looking Astras, we will be left with some awkward looking Korean thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Cupid Stunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupid Stunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip - the spy photos are already out I&#039;m not guessing. Even GM and Car Advice here have stated the Ampera is based on the Delta Pan which is what the next Atra is built on. I even from memory think the Chevrolet (Deawoo) Cruz uses the deta pan? So what&#039;s your point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip &#8211; the spy photos are already out I&#8217;m not guessing. Even GM and Car Advice here have stated the Ampera is based on the Delta Pan which is what the next Atra is built on. I even from memory think the Chevrolet (Deawoo) Cruz uses the deta pan? So what&#8217;s your point.</p>
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		<title>By: philip</title>
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		<dc:creator>philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cupid Stunt, it&#039;s really hard for you to make that prediction about the Astra. Opel is in panic-mode at the moment, so much so that Holden currently has a stop on all Astra imports. Of course they would like to continue to offer the only 4cyl car in their range that isn&#039;t absolute rubbish, but they are not in a position themselves to do this at a loss.

And yes, the Astra is nicer looking that the Focus, but in terms of driving it is way behind the class-leading Ford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cupid Stunt, it&#8217;s really hard for you to make that prediction about the Astra. Opel is in panic-mode at the moment, so much so that Holden currently has a stop on all Astra imports. Of course they would like to continue to offer the only 4cyl car in their range that isn&#8217;t absolute rubbish, but they are not in a position themselves to do this at a loss.</p>
<p>And yes, the Astra is nicer looking that the Focus, but in terms of driving it is way behind the class-leading Ford.</p>
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		<title>By: Cupid Stunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupid Stunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry &quot;over-bodied&quot; and &quot;rather be seen&quot;. Typist is now sacked.

on topic - Jolly big cars those Falcons!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry &#8220;over-bodied&#8221; and &#8220;rather be seen&#8221;. Typist is now sacked.</p>
<p>on topic &#8211; Jolly big cars those Falcons!!</p>
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		<title>By: Cupid Stunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupid Stunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex - &quot;It doesn’t sound like the Astra’s part of it’s future plans &quot;. Wrong mate, stop talking about thing you know nothing of. The article clearly states that Holden will be building a car based on the Delta platform. For your info the Delta pan is the basis of the next Astra, the Volte and Ampera amongst others. I have every confidence that the next Astra will out-do the current Focus at least in terms of quality. The current one is pretty good and certainly more sporty than the frumpy over-odied look of the Focus. What would you rather neen seen in given the choice of a 3 door Astra or 3 door Focus. I know the answer for 9 out of 10 folk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex &#8211; &#8220;It doesn’t sound like the Astra’s part of it’s future plans &#8220;. Wrong mate, stop talking about thing you know nothing of. The article clearly states that Holden will be building a car based on the Delta platform. For your info the Delta pan is the basis of the next Astra, the Volte and Ampera amongst others. I have every confidence that the next Astra will out-do the current Focus at least in terms of quality. The current one is pretty good and certainly more sporty than the frumpy over-odied look of the Focus. What would you rather neen seen in given the choice of a 3 door Astra or 3 door Focus. I know the answer for 9 out of 10 folk.</p>
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		<title>By: SamR</title>
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		<dc:creator>SamR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good one Sherlock,

The point is that Marin Burela, the rest in OZ and all the American makers would do the exact same thing again, make big cars, if the price of oil stayed down for a few years.

They did it after the 70&#039;s price shocks, 80&#039;s, 90&#039;s. How much warning do these guys actually need? I know US buyers are idiots but to not have any small cars to compete and only produce big huge monsters ???

I hope GM, Ford and Chrysler go bankrupt, get rid of the debts and union pensions and come back properly. I bet they go back to big SUVs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good one Sherlock,</p>
<p>The point is that Marin Burela, the rest in OZ and all the American makers would do the exact same thing again, make big cars, if the price of oil stayed down for a few years.</p>
<p>They did it after the 70&#8217;s price shocks, 80&#8217;s, 90&#8217;s. How much warning do these guys actually need? I know US buyers are idiots but to not have any small cars to compete and only produce big huge monsters ???</p>
<p>I hope GM, Ford and Chrysler go bankrupt, get rid of the debts and union pensions and come back properly. I bet they go back to big SUVs.</p>
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		<title>By: blitzkrieg</title>
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		<dc:creator>blitzkrieg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>antrhraxx, the reason ford and holden build 6 cyl cars are 

for the very reasons you just stated about toyota,

&quot;underpowered&quot;. your not happy with a 6 cyl or a 4 cyl,good

luck to sales person selling you a car.

remember when holden droped the kingswood for the smaller 

vb commodore,a mistake that nearly sent them broke as 

people bought the bigger xd falcon in droves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>antrhraxx, the reason ford and holden build 6 cyl cars are </p>
<p>for the very reasons you just stated about toyota,</p>
<p>&#8220;underpowered&#8221;. your not happy with a 6 cyl or a 4 cyl,good</p>
<p>luck to sales person selling you a car.</p>
<p>remember when holden droped the kingswood for the smaller </p>
<p>vb commodore,a mistake that nearly sent them broke as </p>
<p>people bought the bigger xd falcon in droves.</p>
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		<title>By: Maneesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maneesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in July 2006, Toyota Corolla became Australia&#039;s top selling car....http://www.caradvice.com.au/676/toyota-corolla-best-selling-car/

The car makers at that time said &quot;its not a trend&quot;...idiots!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in July 2006, Toyota Corolla became Australia&#8217;s top selling car&#8230;.http://www.caradvice.com.au/676/toyota-corolla-best-selling-car/</p>
<p>The car makers at that time said &#8220;its not a trend&#8221;&#8230;idiots!!!</p>
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		<title>By: holstein hore ).( ).(</title>
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		<dc:creator>holstein hore ).( ).(</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And mediocraty would reign as it used to , the general and ford would serve up the rubbish we deserved in the 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s .

Tariff protection serves no one better than the maker , he hides behind poor plant and tools to maximise profits .

The public knows what it wants and has voted with its feet out of the great aussie 6/8 sedan , and the under 30&#039;s are leading this charge , they have no interest in the big car .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And mediocraty would reign as it used to , the general and ford would serve up the rubbish we deserved in the 70&#8217;s and 80&#8217;s .</p>
<p>Tariff protection serves no one better than the maker , he hides behind poor plant and tools to maximise profits .</p>
<p>The public knows what it wants and has voted with its feet out of the great aussie 6/8 sedan , and the under 30&#8217;s are leading this charge , they have no interest in the big car .</p>
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		<title>By: phillip</title>
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		<dc:creator>phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Toyota are the biggest loser here. Their V6 Camry was selling fine, yet they went ahead and invested in another large car that has eaten into Camry sales, all at a time when the medium car segment (in which they are not represented) was booming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Toyota are the biggest loser here. Their V6 Camry was selling fine, yet they went ahead and invested in another large car that has eaten into Camry sales, all at a time when the medium car segment (in which they are not represented) was booming.</p>
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		<title>By: Shak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im ashamed in all the people who call themselves aussies. Instead of cirticising our locals lets just except the fact that they made huge mistakes and they are now admitting it. Although Holden should have announced something earlier. Andrew M btw the Hilux is the top selling vehicle to my dismay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im ashamed in all the people who call themselves aussies. Instead of cirticising our locals lets just except the fact that they made huge mistakes and they are now admitting it. Although Holden should have announced something earlier. Andrew M btw the Hilux is the top selling vehicle to my dismay.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sprae,
The Mazda3 is now the top selling car in OZ.

I say about time a deserving top seller was on top.

Reckless,
Agree,
Perhaps dont put it back up to near 60% but perhaps striking a balance where competition is still encouraged, whilst still preserving our industry is needed.

The Free Trade idea isnt bad as long as everyone cooperates, which they arent.
poor old Australia got bluffed on that one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sprae,<br />
The Mazda3 is now the top selling car in OZ.</p>
<p>I say about time a deserving top seller was on top.</p>
<p>Reckless,<br />
Agree,<br />
Perhaps dont put it back up to near 60% but perhaps striking a balance where competition is still encouraged, whilst still preserving our industry is needed.</p>
<p>The Free Trade idea isnt bad as long as everyone cooperates, which they arent.<br />
poor old Australia got bluffed on that one</p>
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		<title>By: Reckless1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reckless1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holden and Ford would have little trouble remaining in business if the Import Tariffs were at the 1984 level of 57.5% rather than the current 10% soon to be 5%.

Just imagine - an imported car currently costing say $35000 would rise to around $50,000.

The effect of that would be as follows - people would buy Holdens and Falcons which are currently say $35000 in preference to an import at $50000 - I know I would.  

But, the local prices would rise to probably $45,000 because the manufacturers wouldn&#039;t be able to help themselves with greed. 

Following this, the overseas major manufacturers would immediately set up local plants so their model would also drop to $45,000 becuase no more tariff.

End result - plenty of jobs here but all our cars would be much more expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holden and Ford would have little trouble remaining in business if the Import Tariffs were at the 1984 level of 57.5% rather than the current 10% soon to be 5%.</p>
<p>Just imagine &#8211; an imported car currently costing say $35000 would rise to around $50,000.</p>
<p>The effect of that would be as follows &#8211; people would buy Holdens and Falcons which are currently say $35000 in preference to an import at $50000 &#8211; I know I would.  </p>
<p>But, the local prices would rise to probably $45,000 because the manufacturers wouldn&#8217;t be able to help themselves with greed. </p>
<p>Following this, the overseas major manufacturers would immediately set up local plants so their model would also drop to $45,000 becuase no more tariff.</p>
<p>End result &#8211; plenty of jobs here but all our cars would be much more expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthraxx66</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthraxx66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not know how Aussie car makers cannot have seen the writing on the wall. 

They are the ones who have been telling us that &quot;Aussie prefer Big 6&#039;s&quot; - all the while sales have been falling.

Sales of small cars, like the Corolla, should have made them sit up and take note, but I think the cheap way out was to keep telling us Aussies &quot;you like 6 cylinder cars, so that&#039;s why we build them&quot;.

This was the wake-up call that Ford and Holden needed... as for Toyota, please build something here other than that overweight, under-powered, most boring of cars, the Camry, which has the dummest auto gearbox in the world... please!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know how Aussie car makers cannot have seen the writing on the wall. </p>
<p>They are the ones who have been telling us that &#8220;Aussie prefer Big 6&#8217;s&#8221; &#8211; all the while sales have been falling.</p>
<p>Sales of small cars, like the Corolla, should have made them sit up and take note, but I think the cheap way out was to keep telling us Aussies &#8220;you like 6 cylinder cars, so that&#8217;s why we build them&#8221;.</p>
<p>This was the wake-up call that Ford and Holden needed&#8230; as for Toyota, please build something here other than that overweight, under-powered, most boring of cars, the Camry, which has the dummest auto gearbox in the world&#8230; please!</p>
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		<title>By: gearboxdawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>gearboxdawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big sedan cars has always been the biggest seller in the Aussie market. In most markets, the small compact cars are the biggest sellers. This makes Australia unusual in this regard. If the trend continues with smaller fuel efficient cars, then there is money to be made in this segment of the market.

The only fallout is people are getting fatter in general, smaller cars will create more issues for them, its not going to be very good news for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big sedan cars has always been the biggest seller in the Aussie market. In most markets, the small compact cars are the biggest sellers. This makes Australia unusual in this regard. If the trend continues with smaller fuel efficient cars, then there is money to be made in this segment of the market.</p>
<p>The only fallout is people are getting fatter in general, smaller cars will create more issues for them, its not going to be very good news for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Technofreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Technofreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DOH!!....Homer is that you?

This is where all the rocket scientists are!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DOH!!&#8230;.Homer is that you?</p>
<p>This is where all the rocket scientists are!</p>
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		<title>By: holstein hore ).( ).(</title>
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		<dc:creator>holstein hore ).( ).(</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So there is no money in selling small cars hahahaah .

Just ask messers AUDI , BMW , VW , MINI , every extra they sell you is at a premium and the are laughing all the way to the bank .</description>
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<p>Just ask messers AUDI , BMW , VW , MINI , every extra they sell you is at a premium and the are laughing all the way to the bank .</p>
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