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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 09:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep!</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 02:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have ex-Telstra LPG wagon. Nice comfortable 6 cyl car that drives my family of 5 Bris to Syd on $65 fuel. I cant believe there arent more on the road. Oh, it&#039;ll tow almost anything too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have ex-Telstra LPG wagon. Nice comfortable 6 cyl car that drives my family of 5 Bris to Syd on $65 fuel. I cant believe there arent more on the road. Oh, it&#8217;ll tow almost anything too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2011 10:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bought a DED LPG 2006 BF UTE, 2 years ago. I am a tradie and it is always loaded up, have done 70,000 kms in it and it has never had any problems. It has been reliable powerful, comfortable and I have saved a small fortune on fuel costs.  Stop complaining,it works well and no one offers as good a package,  keep the wheels moving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bought a DED LPG 2006 BF UTE, 2 years ago. I am a tradie and it is always loaded up, have done 70,000 kms in it and it has never had any problems. It has been reliable powerful, comfortable and I have saved a small fortune on fuel costs.  Stop complaining,it works well and no one offers as good a package,  keep the wheels moving.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So i heard today that Ford US have confirmed that the Falcon will die and be replaced with the Taurus.

Bad news for Ford Oz and Australia in general. Holden will drop it&#039;s game once the Falcon is gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So i heard today that Ford US have confirmed that the Falcon will die and be replaced with the Taurus.</p>
<p>Bad news for Ford Oz and Australia in general. Holden will drop it&#8217;s game once the Falcon is gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firsly (before I start with my gripe), I think the FG Falcon is overall quite a good package - my car excluded, of course. I do have a major gripe with mine, and with Ford and hoping someone may be able to offer some advice. So here goes: 

I purchased a new G6 Limited Edition from Jefferson Ford late Oct 09, My car is a petrol model, with the std 5 speed auto. Ever since day 1, I noticed what appears to be a driveline vibration apparent as the engine passes through 1500RPM Range. It seems even more noticeable in the 70K - 90K range when the car is cruising, particularly up a slight incline. That said, you can still detect the problem at both higher and lower speeds. Now with over 
over 5000ks, and after numerous visits back to the dealer and long waits on hold to the Ford CRC, the problem is no better, and has in fact worsened a little. 

I&#039;ve always suspected that it&#039;s something to do with the Torque Converter, and knowing what dealers are like, before I took it back to them, I first went to two transmission specialists and asked their opinion. Both said they thought it was a torque converter lockup problem, and both put that in writing for me. I Then went back to Jefferson Ford, hoping to get it fixed. First visit - yes there&#039;s a problem but we don&#039;t know how to fix it. You&#039;ll need to call Ford CRC (Customer Relationship Centre). Called Ford CRC, and eventually arrangements are made to take the car back in to Jefferson Ford and &quot;technical expert&quot; from ford will be on hand as well to analyse the problem. The result was, &quot;no fault found&quot;. Again I went, back to the dealer and demanded a senior mechanic come for an extened drive with me, and left the vehicle overnight for the workshop manager to drive home. The result this time, yes there&#039;s definately a problem and we&#039;ll get back in touch with Ford. Next,another visit finally arranged and the same &quot;technical expert&quot; from Ford comes back out, and again refuses to acknowledge any problem, despite the fact that the dealer&#039;s own mechanics agree that the problem does exist and has 
not been rectified. The printed service reports from the dealer (of which I have copies)state that there is torque converter lockup boom evident, as well as a driveline vibration, and that the problem has not been rectified! End result was a letter from Ford stating that &quot;we are satisfied your vehicle is operating to manufacturer&#039;s specification and is similar to other vehicles in the model line&quot;. Basically the&#039;ve said my only option now is to take action via my solicitor! 

 BTW, I do know that others are haveing similar issues, as evidenced by the posts at carsguide</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firsly (before I start with my gripe), I think the FG Falcon is overall quite a good package &#8211; my car excluded, of course. I do have a major gripe with mine, and with Ford and hoping someone may be able to offer some advice. So here goes: </p>
<p>I purchased a new G6 Limited Edition from Jefferson Ford late Oct 09, My car is a petrol model, with the std 5 speed auto. Ever since day 1, I noticed what appears to be a driveline vibration apparent as the engine passes through 1500RPM Range. It seems even more noticeable in the 70K &#8211; 90K range when the car is cruising, particularly up a slight incline. That said, you can still detect the problem at both higher and lower speeds. Now with over<br />
over 5000ks, and after numerous visits back to the dealer and long waits on hold to the Ford CRC, the problem is no better, and has in fact worsened a little. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always suspected that it&#8217;s something to do with the Torque Converter, and knowing what dealers are like, before I took it back to them, I first went to two transmission specialists and asked their opinion. Both said they thought it was a torque converter lockup problem, and both put that in writing for me. I Then went back to Jefferson Ford, hoping to get it fixed. First visit &#8211; yes there&#8217;s a problem but we don&#8217;t know how to fix it. You&#8217;ll need to call Ford CRC (Customer Relationship Centre). Called Ford CRC, and eventually arrangements are made to take the car back in to Jefferson Ford and &#8220;technical expert&#8221; from ford will be on hand as well to analyse the problem. The result was, &#8220;no fault found&#8221;. Again I went, back to the dealer and demanded a senior mechanic come for an extened drive with me, and left the vehicle overnight for the workshop manager to drive home. The result this time, yes there&#8217;s definately a problem and we&#8217;ll get back in touch with Ford. Next,another visit finally arranged and the same &#8220;technical expert&#8221; from Ford comes back out, and again refuses to acknowledge any problem, despite the fact that the dealer&#8217;s own mechanics agree that the problem does exist and has<br />
not been rectified. The printed service reports from the dealer (of which I have copies)state that there is torque converter lockup boom evident, as well as a driveline vibration, and that the problem has not been rectified! End result was a letter from Ford stating that &#8220;we are satisfied your vehicle is operating to manufacturer&#8217;s specification and is similar to other vehicles in the model line&#8221;. Basically the&#8217;ve said my only option now is to take action via my solicitor! </p>
<p> BTW, I do know that others are haveing similar issues, as evidenced by the posts at carsguide</p>
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		<title>By: lola</title>
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		<dc:creator>lola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea but i have been told that dual fuel with ZF does not really work properly. The ZF really needs the right torque input and power input to actually operate properly.

More power = bad, less power = bad, that is why the Barra230 Falcon with 6 ZF was so unpopular because if you did any work at the engine, the gearbox would not respond to it, so basically if the car had to make say 275kW from 230kW at the flywheel, the gearbox would electronically limit the torque, hence those additional 45kW would go to waste and you&#039;d only make a car more economical but not quicker. That is why you can usually see people with older 5.4L 3V SRs and Fairmonts, Ghias and Utes beating their very similar Barra230 which were modded, because the old 4 speeder would not care about the power change, while ZF would.

so in the I6 application, with GAS conversion + ZF 6 speed = not so much fun, unless you do some expensive computer EEPROM recalibration.

And by the way, in real life there is no difference between a typical 4 speed and 5 and 6 speed Falcons.

They have so much torque that the 1st and 2nd gears on the 5 speed torqueshift and ZF are just too close, they should be tall as always.

The only advantage may be at 100km/h, where a typical BA with 3.23 final drive would do 1750rpm at 100km/h in 4th which is 0.68 ratio.

While ZF would do around 1550rpm at 100km/h in 6th which is 0.69 ratio on a taller 2.73 final drive.

And when in Fairmont Ghia BF1 and BFII with V8 5.4L , then we are talking 2.53 ratio, moon reaching gears, which means 1350rpm at 100km/h in 6th plus lock up torque converter.

Which means consistent cruising at 1350rpm at 100km/h in 6th, while the similar car with 4 speed and 3.45LSD would do 1900rpm, and with 3.23 would do 1750 rpm.

And if with an old EL-AUIII diff which is 3.08 in 4th it would do 1680rpm at 100km/h 4th being 0.68 still.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea but i have been told that dual fuel with ZF does not really work properly. The ZF really needs the right torque input and power input to actually operate properly.</p>
<p>More power = bad, less power = bad, that is why the Barra230 Falcon with 6 ZF was so unpopular because if you did any work at the engine, the gearbox would not respond to it, so basically if the car had to make say 275kW from 230kW at the flywheel, the gearbox would electronically limit the torque, hence those additional 45kW would go to waste and you&#8217;d only make a car more economical but not quicker. That is why you can usually see people with older 5.4L 3V SRs and Fairmonts, Ghias and Utes beating their very similar Barra230 which were modded, because the old 4 speeder would not care about the power change, while ZF would.</p>
<p>so in the I6 application, with GAS conversion + ZF 6 speed = not so much fun, unless you do some expensive computer EEPROM recalibration.</p>
<p>And by the way, in real life there is no difference between a typical 4 speed and 5 and 6 speed Falcons.</p>
<p>They have so much torque that the 1st and 2nd gears on the 5 speed torqueshift and ZF are just too close, they should be tall as always.</p>
<p>The only advantage may be at 100km/h, where a typical BA with 3.23 final drive would do 1750rpm at 100km/h in 4th which is 0.68 ratio.</p>
<p>While ZF would do around 1550rpm at 100km/h in 6th which is 0.69 ratio on a taller 2.73 final drive.</p>
<p>And when in Fairmont Ghia BF1 and BFII with V8 5.4L , then we are talking 2.53 ratio, moon reaching gears, which means 1350rpm at 100km/h in 6th plus lock up torque converter.</p>
<p>Which means consistent cruising at 1350rpm at 100km/h in 6th, while the similar car with 4 speed and 3.45LSD would do 1900rpm, and with 3.23 would do 1750 rpm.</p>
<p>And if with an old EL-AUIII diff which is 3.08 in 4th it would do 1680rpm at 100km/h 4th being 0.68 still.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are the cars for life.

Wait till 2011, I6 will receive DIRECT-INJECTION   &quot; i heard! &quot; and GAS models might make just over 200kW and 400Nm, and petrol version will be able to run on ethanol and petrol making close to 260kW and over 440Nm from N/A stock I6 4.0Liter!!!!

so , keep ya ear out, you might hear this too, i did , as early as December 2008.


Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are the cars for life.</p>
<p>Wait till 2011, I6 will receive DIRECT-INJECTION   &#8221; i heard! &#8221; and GAS models might make just over 200kW and 400Nm, and petrol version will be able to run on ethanol and petrol making close to 260kW and over 440Nm from N/A stock I6 4.0Liter!!!!</p>
<p>so , keep ya ear out, you might hear this too, i did , as early as December 2008.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Gilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple solution! Buy the petrol version and fit an aftermarket LPG system whilst retaining the 6spd box and traction control etc!
The Factory E-gas is a lazy shortcut and a cash grab because it suits the taxi-fleet, their first priority. A proper developed Vapour injection system can make the Falcon more economical on the wallet on fuel than a Corolla with the comfort, power, space and mile eating ability the Falcon is renowned for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple solution! Buy the petrol version and fit an aftermarket LPG system whilst retaining the 6spd box and traction control etc!<br />
The Factory E-gas is a lazy shortcut and a cash grab because it suits the taxi-fleet, their first priority. A proper developed Vapour injection system can make the Falcon more economical on the wallet on fuel than a Corolla with the comfort, power, space and mile eating ability the Falcon is renowned for.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am new to the country. I was given the new Falcon XT LPG as a company car. After being told it is one of Australia&#039;s best cars and &#039;up there with the World&#039;s best&#039; I thought I was being spoilt. I have been horribly dissappointed, over and over again. This is what led me to read some reviews and every thing in the review here is true. For the engine size the responsiveness on the road is pathetic. I hate the gearbox and I didn&#039;t know it had a history of dislike by others. The engine was replaced at 15 000 km&#039;s by Ford. I&#039;ve had it in for oil leaks before the 30 000 km. I don&#039;t feel half as safe when it comes to handling and braking as previous cars I&#039;ve owned. I&#039;m very sorry I can&#039;t choose my own company car. I have always had jobs where I drive extensively and have always enjoyed driving. Not now that drive a Ford Falcon, I find it a chore and irritating to drive. I also feel very unsafe! I have owned 10 vehicles, driven many many more rented vehicles and probably driven 2000 000 km&#039;s in my time. Now that I&#039;ve driven the falcon extensively I think it would be last on my list of cars to consider when I get to choose a car! I can&#039;t wait to get rid of it! The only thing I like is the integrated bluetooth hands free, it works very well. I previously owned a 2 litre turbo, petrol, Opel OPC. I believe the running cost would have been lower due to the economy I achieved, 7 litres per 100 km on the open road. The vehicle had all the safety features, ABS, Stability control, anti skid, 11 air bags, incredible handling, leather recaro seats, exhilirating to drive and about the same money! Ford has a long long long way to go....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am new to the country. I was given the new Falcon XT LPG as a company car. After being told it is one of Australia&#8217;s best cars and &#8216;up there with the World&#8217;s best&#8217; I thought I was being spoilt. I have been horribly dissappointed, over and over again. This is what led me to read some reviews and every thing in the review here is true. For the engine size the responsiveness on the road is pathetic. I hate the gearbox and I didn&#8217;t know it had a history of dislike by others. The engine was replaced at 15 000 km&#8217;s by Ford. I&#8217;ve had it in for oil leaks before the 30 000 km. I don&#8217;t feel half as safe when it comes to handling and braking as previous cars I&#8217;ve owned. I&#8217;m very sorry I can&#8217;t choose my own company car. I have always had jobs where I drive extensively and have always enjoyed driving. Not now that drive a Ford Falcon, I find it a chore and irritating to drive. I also feel very unsafe! I have owned 10 vehicles, driven many many more rented vehicles and probably driven 2000 000 km&#8217;s in my time. Now that I&#8217;ve driven the falcon extensively I think it would be last on my list of cars to consider when I get to choose a car! I can&#8217;t wait to get rid of it! The only thing I like is the integrated bluetooth hands free, it works very well. I previously owned a 2 litre turbo, petrol, Opel OPC. I believe the running cost would have been lower due to the economy I achieved, 7 litres per 100 km on the open road. The vehicle had all the safety features, ABS, Stability control, anti skid, 11 air bags, incredible handling, leather recaro seats, exhilirating to drive and about the same money! Ford has a long long long way to go&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 07:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did i say 90s i did mean 00&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did i say 90s i did mean 00&#8242;s.</p>
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