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		<title>By: Brian Goodwin</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/27779/uk-speed-limit-petition-gathers-pace/#comment-136738</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Goodwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speed DOES NOT kill !!! FACT !!!

It is the sudden deceleration which kills, and this is caused solely by DANGEROUS driving. This will still happen regardless of posted speed limits.

They will have us all driving at 4MPH with a person carrying a flag in front at this bloody rate.

The whole purpose of DRIVING is to GET SOMEWHERE is it not?

Solution to all the dangers on the roads = TAX people who happen to be driving along a clear stretch of motorway in good conditions a few MPH above the dictated limit.


BG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speed DOES NOT kill !!! FACT !!!</p>
<p>It is the sudden deceleration which kills, and this is caused solely by DANGEROUS driving. This will still happen regardless of posted speed limits.</p>
<p>They will have us all driving at 4MPH with a person carrying a flag in front at this bloody rate.</p>
<p>The whole purpose of DRIVING is to GET SOMEWHERE is it not?</p>
<p>Solution to all the dangers on the roads = TAX people who happen to be driving along a clear stretch of motorway in good conditions a few MPH above the dictated limit.</p>
<p>BG</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun H</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/27779/uk-speed-limit-petition-gathers-pace/#comment-132539</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 22:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said David Hunter I too have been to Germany and concur with your observations

I am getting increasingly &#039;annoyed&quot; with these trucks driving up my rear. We despirately need a legal speed differential (20 kmph) between light vehicles and trucks to allow safe passing and prevent road trains forming which is a recipe for a serious head on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said David Hunter I too have been to Germany and concur with your observations</p>
<p>I am getting increasingly &#8216;annoyed&#8221; with these trucks driving up my rear. We despirately need a legal speed differential (20 kmph) between light vehicles and trucks to allow safe passing and prevent road trains forming which is a recipe for a serious head on.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hunter</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/27779/uk-speed-limit-petition-gathers-pace/#comment-130501</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just returned from Italy on holiday and if any of you have driven there recently it’s a real eye opener. It could be described as Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.

In the cities its very aggressive driving and in Naples its hard to find a car without panel damage but despite this style of driving I saw no road rage just liberal use of the horn. That’s the Mr Hyde side of them.

Their motorways were an absolute pleasure to drive on, trucks were limited in speed (60, 80 and 100km/h depending on size and weight I guess) and could only use the inside lanes. The speed limit was 110 to 130kph but most drivers  appeared to sit around 140km/h and for the most part drove to the 2 second rule. The outside lane was for overtaking and if you are out there and there is a faster car coming up quickly behind they flashed their lights to says “ I’m here and want passed” and people do move over asap to let them through. Fast moving cars were sitting at a guess 160 to 200 km/h with no problems and no sign of traffic police or speed cameras. 

One near crash but that was because the female drive had a cell phone welded to here left ear and almost put an Alfa 159 into the crash barriers as she weaved/drifted into the outside lane as he was passing. Good job the guy was fully alert probably from driving at those faster speeds and reacted very quickly to avoid a crash. One big crash but that involved two trucks and spilt half a curtain trailer of Becks beers over the hard shoulder and I think these guys were in an 80 kph zone for trucks at the time so another nail in the coffin for speed kills! Maybe driving to close to the truck in front with a full load and could not stop in time might have been a possible cause?

My girlfriend during the trip drove from London to Glasgow. Now she has to drive all over Melbourne to visit clients everyday and she said afterwards that even the UK roads and drivers made for a very pleasant journey compared to Melbourne.

Driving on Melbourne’s freeways is a nightmare. Trucks, cars and 4 x 4’s 3 meter from the back of your car, virtually pushing you along, slower vehicles hogging the outside lanes, cars undertaking you everywhere and speed cameras everywhere. You need eyes in the back of your head and cat like reflexes just to survive. 

Vic Roads and the Police should remove their blinkers and model what actually works a dam sight better and safer from other countries in the world rather than ramming down our throats that speed kills and installing another 1,000,000 speed cameras to fix the problem of road deaths. When are they going to wake up and smell the coffee its not going to do anything except annoy even more drivers.
Fix the problems!

The roads are more than capably of being driven at 130kph + but the road rules and the complete lack good/sensible drivers with the correct ability/skills would result in horrific accidents at this increased speed but if you have ever driven in Germany you will know how good it was! We are all human, right! If they can do it there why can’t it be done here!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just returned from Italy on holiday and if any of you have driven there recently it’s a real eye opener. It could be described as Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.</p>
<p>In the cities its very aggressive driving and in Naples its hard to find a car without panel damage but despite this style of driving I saw no road rage just liberal use of the horn. That’s the Mr Hyde side of them.</p>
<p>Their motorways were an absolute pleasure to drive on, trucks were limited in speed (60, 80 and 100km/h depending on size and weight I guess) and could only use the inside lanes. The speed limit was 110 to 130kph but most drivers  appeared to sit around 140km/h and for the most part drove to the 2 second rule. The outside lane was for overtaking and if you are out there and there is a faster car coming up quickly behind they flashed their lights to says “ I’m here and want passed” and people do move over asap to let them through. Fast moving cars were sitting at a guess 160 to 200 km/h with no problems and no sign of traffic police or speed cameras. </p>
<p>One near crash but that was because the female drive had a cell phone welded to here left ear and almost put an Alfa 159 into the crash barriers as she weaved/drifted into the outside lane as he was passing. Good job the guy was fully alert probably from driving at those faster speeds and reacted very quickly to avoid a crash. One big crash but that involved two trucks and spilt half a curtain trailer of Becks beers over the hard shoulder and I think these guys were in an 80 kph zone for trucks at the time so another nail in the coffin for speed kills! Maybe driving to close to the truck in front with a full load and could not stop in time might have been a possible cause?</p>
<p>My girlfriend during the trip drove from London to Glasgow. Now she has to drive all over Melbourne to visit clients everyday and she said afterwards that even the UK roads and drivers made for a very pleasant journey compared to Melbourne.</p>
<p>Driving on Melbourne’s freeways is a nightmare. Trucks, cars and 4 x 4’s 3 meter from the back of your car, virtually pushing you along, slower vehicles hogging the outside lanes, cars undertaking you everywhere and speed cameras everywhere. You need eyes in the back of your head and cat like reflexes just to survive. </p>
<p>Vic Roads and the Police should remove their blinkers and model what actually works a dam sight better and safer from other countries in the world rather than ramming down our throats that speed kills and installing another 1,000,000 speed cameras to fix the problem of road deaths. When are they going to wake up and smell the coffee its not going to do anything except annoy even more drivers.<br />
Fix the problems!</p>
<p>The roads are more than capably of being driven at 130kph + but the road rules and the complete lack good/sensible drivers with the correct ability/skills would result in horrific accidents at this increased speed but if you have ever driven in Germany you will know how good it was! We are all human, right! If they can do it there why can’t it be done here!!</p>
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		<title>By: Vic</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/27779/uk-speed-limit-petition-gathers-pace/#comment-129366</link>
		<dc:creator>Vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need a maximum of 4 of speed limits according to the type of road and location.  1 for Motorways and out of town Dual Carriageways.  1 for Urban Dual Carriageways. 1 for single carriageway out of town roads and 1 for single carriageways in built up areas.  Currently, the speed limit appears to alter at random often leaving the motorist unsure of the limit. 
These days I find that I spend more time looking at my speedometer than the road ahead. Constantly varying speed limits are more likel;y to cause accidents than allowing drivers to drive according to conditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need a maximum of 4 of speed limits according to the type of road and location.  1 for Motorways and out of town Dual Carriageways.  1 for Urban Dual Carriageways. 1 for single carriageway out of town roads and 1 for single carriageways in built up areas.  Currently, the speed limit appears to alter at random often leaving the motorist unsure of the limit.<br />
These days I find that I spend more time looking at my speedometer than the road ahead. Constantly varying speed limits are more likel;y to cause accidents than allowing drivers to drive according to conditions.</p>
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		<title>By: ShaunH</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/27779/uk-speed-limit-petition-gathers-pace/#comment-129302</link>
		<dc:creator>ShaunH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone done any stats on the number of accidents fatalities in the NT for before and after the speed limit was imposed? This would make interesting reading

I see absolutely no reason for not increasing the speed limit of light motor vehicles NOT towing trailers boats etc to 120kmph when the current law deems it &quot;safe&quot; for 30 tonne rigs to do 100/110 kmph right up my ass as I have experienced several times on the Bruce and Peak Downs Highway.

I also think it would be a good idea for the relevent authorities to be more proactive with safety and make Australia the first country to make it manditory that all new light motor vehicles sold in this country be fitted with ABS as standard. It is a small cost to pay for something that has prooved to save lives in the past</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone done any stats on the number of accidents fatalities in the NT for before and after the speed limit was imposed? This would make interesting reading</p>
<p>I see absolutely no reason for not increasing the speed limit of light motor vehicles NOT towing trailers boats etc to 120kmph when the current law deems it &#8220;safe&#8221; for 30 tonne rigs to do 100/110 kmph right up my ass as I have experienced several times on the Bruce and Peak Downs Highway.</p>
<p>I also think it would be a good idea for the relevent authorities to be more proactive with safety and make Australia the first country to make it manditory that all new light motor vehicles sold in this country be fitted with ABS as standard. It is a small cost to pay for something that has prooved to save lives in the past</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/27779/uk-speed-limit-petition-gathers-pace/#comment-127745</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone above (and i&#039;ve seen a few) suggesting that the standard of driving in the UK is inferior to here or elsewhere I would argue vehemently.

Training/tests are among the most stringent you would find, and in general European drivers (with possible exceptions of the Italians and French!) are more conscientious and follow the regs more closely than here.

50mph is too slow in a majority of cases. Vast swathes of road are at the national limit, most of which are 60+mph safely. If there are other areas which need to get knocked down, then i&#039;m all for limits there (thinking of several A-roads across the North) but theres just no need for that limit on 85% of it.

The summary, and seeming consensus above, is that the limit should be apropriate for the road. On the vast majority of derestricted roads 60 is the sensible limit. Other parts, stick in a limit and camera. 

Oh, and by the way... absolute B/S coming from those saying speed cameras are a key revnue source for Govt, something like 20m GBP net profit in 08 - as I believe Top Gear itself told us - Simon Cowell pays more than that in Income Tax alone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone above (and i&#8217;ve seen a few) suggesting that the standard of driving in the UK is inferior to here or elsewhere I would argue vehemently.</p>
<p>Training/tests are among the most stringent you would find, and in general European drivers (with possible exceptions of the Italians and French!) are more conscientious and follow the regs more closely than here.</p>
<p>50mph is too slow in a majority of cases. Vast swathes of road are at the national limit, most of which are 60+mph safely. If there are other areas which need to get knocked down, then i&#8217;m all for limits there (thinking of several A-roads across the North) but theres just no need for that limit on 85% of it.</p>
<p>The summary, and seeming consensus above, is that the limit should be apropriate for the road. On the vast majority of derestricted roads 60 is the sensible limit. Other parts, stick in a limit and camera. </p>
<p>Oh, and by the way&#8230; absolute B/S coming from those saying speed cameras are a key revnue source for Govt, something like 20m GBP net profit in 08 &#8211; as I believe Top Gear itself told us &#8211; Simon Cowell pays more than that in Income Tax alone!</p>
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		<title>By: Cupid Stunt</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/27779/uk-speed-limit-petition-gathers-pace/#comment-127274</link>
		<dc:creator>Cupid Stunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article is a little misleading. The proposed new limit is only to be applied on rural single carriageway &quot;A&quot; catagory roads. The current 60mph is in most cases too high anyway and many roads are undriveable at that speed. Other road users (Trucks and Thomas79 types) generally hold traffic up driving between 40 and 50mph. So in reality most of the time thge limit is not exceeded.
We are still allowed to maintain a healthy 110Kmh on dualled roads with the police turning a blind eye pretty much on everyone not exceeding 135Kmh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article is a little misleading. The proposed new limit is only to be applied on rural single carriageway &#8220;A&#8221; catagory roads. The current 60mph is in most cases too high anyway and many roads are undriveable at that speed. Other road users (Trucks and Thomas79 types) generally hold traffic up driving between 40 and 50mph. So in reality most of the time thge limit is not exceeded.<br />
We are still allowed to maintain a healthy 110Kmh on dualled roads with the police turning a blind eye pretty much on everyone not exceeding 135Kmh</p>
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		<title>By: Frenchie</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/27779/uk-speed-limit-petition-gathers-pace/#comment-127066</link>
		<dc:creator>Frenchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why was the car invented? To go slower than a horse?
Thats what we will end up doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why was the car invented? To go slower than a horse?<br />
Thats what we will end up doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/27779/uk-speed-limit-petition-gathers-pace/#comment-126998</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 08:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>140k&#039;s on the highway will save lives, you see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>140k&#8217;s on the highway will save lives, you see.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 07:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speed does not kill. Cars do not kill. People kill. The car is merely an instrument in which has the means of producing the outcome. Driver attitude is the harbinger of death on our roads. There is a big difference between speeding and reckless driving. For a reckless driver it doens&#039;t matter if the speed limit is 140km/h or 40km/h. A reckless driver will find the means to endager his/her life and the lives of others. Unfortunately the only cure for this is education and maturity. Neither of which is possible to account accurately during a driving test. Hence as the goverment is under pressure to address this the only viable outcome is to lower speed limits. This is merely the appease the focus groups hell bent on destroying the passion of motoring. The politicians know this, the police know this. The only ones who do not know this are those easily swayed by the media and public opinion.

Solution: Make it compulsory for drivers to sit a personality test taylored to weed out the obviously reckless to be drivers. Then conduct extensive driver training (including skid pads, multi weather/condition driving) that is accessed. Stress test the individual (this should weed out those with tendencies to take action against thier better judgement). High speed assesment (this will train/test the individual for reflex times, spacial awareness and distance judgement). With this hopefully a breed of &#039;professional&#039; drivers will reduce our road fatalities and abolish the rediculous speed limits. 

A car has similar killing power to that of guns. Every driver should be aware that they are sitting in a loaded gun and one wrong move could set of the trigger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speed does not kill. Cars do not kill. People kill. The car is merely an instrument in which has the means of producing the outcome. Driver attitude is the harbinger of death on our roads. There is a big difference between speeding and reckless driving. For a reckless driver it doens&#8217;t matter if the speed limit is 140km/h or 40km/h. A reckless driver will find the means to endager his/her life and the lives of others. Unfortunately the only cure for this is education and maturity. Neither of which is possible to account accurately during a driving test. Hence as the goverment is under pressure to address this the only viable outcome is to lower speed limits. This is merely the appease the focus groups hell bent on destroying the passion of motoring. The politicians know this, the police know this. The only ones who do not know this are those easily swayed by the media and public opinion.</p>
<p>Solution: Make it compulsory for drivers to sit a personality test taylored to weed out the obviously reckless to be drivers. Then conduct extensive driver training (including skid pads, multi weather/condition driving) that is accessed. Stress test the individual (this should weed out those with tendencies to take action against thier better judgement). High speed assesment (this will train/test the individual for reflex times, spacial awareness and distance judgement). With this hopefully a breed of &#8216;professional&#8217; drivers will reduce our road fatalities and abolish the rediculous speed limits. </p>
<p>A car has similar killing power to that of guns. Every driver should be aware that they are sitting in a loaded gun and one wrong move could set of the trigger.</p>
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