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New Camaro turns on New York City

By Anthony Crawford |


The last time I sat in anything like a Camaro, was back in 1983 in Memphis Tennessee, when I got a steer in a Pontiac Trans Am with a 455 under the hood, but it didn’t look this!

The three principle designers of the new Chevrolet Camaro parked several spanking new examples of the car outside the Times Building in Manhattan last week to gauge public opinion.

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Even in midst of this worldwide financial doom and gloom, General Motors has over 14,000 firm orders for the Camaro and judging by candid public opinion, they’ll need to start printing a few more order books.

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The funny thing is, none of the three designers were born when the original 1969 Camaro was released. For inspiration, they just looked at photos of the car, which belonged to G.M.’s head of design, Ed Welburn.

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The process must have worked for Rebecca Waldmeir, from G.M.’s colour and trim studio who at just 26 years old, showed off the palette of available paint jobs.

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You can get some heritage colours, which were used in earlier Camaro models or go for “inferno orange” which includes metal fleck in the actual paint.

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The exterior design manager for the car, Korean born Sangyup Lee was on hand to point out features to the punters who stopped to take pictures with mobile phones and ask questions.

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Mr. Lee, who is 39 studied at the Art College of Design (better known as the designer factory) in Pasadena, California and has had stints at both Porsche and Pininfarina before joining General Motors.

He says to a passer-by “Look at the headlight and the eyebrow…there is a lot of detail and jewellery to the car”.

Sangyup runs his hands over the wide rear guard of the black car and says, “This is the deepest stamping General Motors has ever done…It is deeper than anything Porsche ever did”

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Another guy asked Mr. Lee about the power. “That’s 426 for the V8 and the V6 gets 29 miles per gallon on the highway”

I’ve got to agree with the US punters – this car really does it for me.


 
  • Falcodore

    Just read on Motor authority website (via Go auto) that the zeta architecture will live on to at least 2020. Good news for RWD fans.

  • Shak

    Sheer brutal force. And its a holden underneath. If it comes to oz im gettin one. Beauty on wheels

  • HAL

    Now that’s a muscle car….I just want one.

  • Shak

    Hal r u saying that this would make a good HSV, because i sure am.

  • HAL

    I couldn’t care less if they brought it out here as a Gogomobile, Shak, I’d still buy one :-)

  • Captain Mainwaring

    Too seventies, too late, too American and too lacking in interior presentation to appeal to other than the musclecar fringe. Tell me in two years time how well it has sold (if its manufacturer is still in business). 14,000 orders at this stage is nothing in a market of that size.

  • Dan

    This car is hot! I don’t care what anyone says, it’s just pure pron! If it comes on our shores (big if), I’m buying it!

  • HAL

    bah humbug to you Capt MW :-)

    In all honesty there’s no way I could call myself a muscle car fan, but the style of this thing is just awesome. But each to their own.

  • Will

    Interesting didn’t show the dash shots.

    Would be more relevant if diesel or diesel electric.

    Hal, Dan, Shak…it’s legal know, your relationship can be registered.

  • Will

    Hal, Dan, Shak…sorry, ‘know’ should read ‘now’.

  • HAL

    Damn Will, don’t you just hate it when you make a typo in your attempt at humour? You sort of lose the moment, eh? Better luck next time champ.

  • Dan

    What’s legal Will?

  • Bavarian Missile

    Hal Ill have one in Rally Yellow ,looking warm in New York as usual.God that place can be cold.

  • HAL

    BM, either a black or red one for me. Bugger it, I’ll take both :-)

  • wheelnut

    Why couldnt they have done a few extra right hand hook ones for Oz and added them to the UKs ?

  • Harley Stone

    I love it – may be i can make a decision on the colour till we can buy it as from 2010.

  • Limited Slip

    PPPHHHHTTTT …………just a try hard Mustang you want a real muscle car look at the new ‘stang …..now thats a car. GM to be gone soon anyway……

  • Cupid Stunt

    Aww nice – reckon theres a decent enough market for this, come on GM adapt it to RHD and sell a few in the UK and Oz.
    Needs a diesel though.

    BM – Mines the Aqua Blue – matches the bags beneath my eyes. LOL

  • Falcodore

    LS, YOU do realise that all the comparos the US mags have done that the Comaro craps all over the ‘stang with its old tech live axle. Not acceptable this day ‘n’ age, especially for a muscle car.

  • Mick

    Where do I sign? Ill take one in red with V8 thanks!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Quote “BM – Mines the Aqua Blue – matches the bags beneath my eyes. LOL ”

    hahaha you old hoon ! Im glad you mentioned thooooooooose bags other wise Id tell you to pull your draws up and get out of the UK cold hun ,he he he

    Needs a diesel, *falls off chair in laughter*

    UK I think have 200 RHD on order,why they couldn’t tack a few extra on UKs order for Australia I dont know. Wonder what the min order is for a Country ?

  • AAA

    I bet this design will age fast ~

  • Wheelnut

    Falcodore – I think the main reason the Camaro kicked the Mustangs a-r-s-e was because it’s built on the VE Zeta platform.
    However; if the Mustang was built on the FG Falcon platform [as it was going to be according to reports a couple of years ago] then the Mustang might have handled better and been able to keep up etc

  • Al Juraj

    The Mustang body should simply slip itself to the FG engine and chassis combination to be the formidable muscle car. But I have to admit, this Camaro looks fantastic. I always favoured Mustangs but this is more masculine, making better sense of the Crappadore platform.

  • xyzjelly

    is this the transformer car? Bumble Bee?

    looks pretty cool…

  • Limited Slip

    Doesnt matter how good it is anyway, this gas guzzling retro car is the reason why GM is totally stuffed !! Decades of trying to sell cars like this will finally see the death of GM in the near future. Still, it doesnt hold a candle to the Mustang……..its just not a Mustang…..end of story.

  • Dan

    This look heaps better than a mustang!

    And Limited Slip, please find me a sports car or a muscle car that isn’t a fuel guzzler? Understand normal passenger vehciles being fuel guzzlers is irresponsible, but not somethingike that with a purpose.

  • Dadd

    Let’s see Dan – a sports car that doesn’t guzzle gas – Lotus ? MX 5 ? 911 ( gets better mileage than a Camry )

  • Wheelnut

    Based solely on looks – between the Mustang and the Camaro I would rather have the New Dodge Challenger.

    Limited slip – this car has nothing to do wih the reason GM are in the sh!t..
    14;000+ advanced firm orders for the car kind of disproves that theory..doesn’t it? I mean GM [along with many other car companies] would only dream that some of their other cars were so eagerly anticipated and received such a positive reaction

    The reason GM are in the situatuon they are is because of:
    - The ignorant arrogant attitude of Rick Wag-goner
    - Several plants within 500-1;000Kms of each other operating at less than 70% capacity building identical cars
    - Having a range of cars that are designed with a ruler [the Camaro was designed in Australia]

  • Limited Slip

    Wheelnut….14,000 orders !!!! wow wow ……..that’s really gonna save GM isnt it….lol they need to sell 14 million of them to have a chance. They should have spent the money on a car that would have given them a chance at survival…….are you sure you dont work for GM? with logic like yours you would fit right in !!!

  • Wheelnut

    Dadd – This is a muscle car not a sports car.
    The Camaro and the Mustang come from completelty different backgrounds to that of the MX-5 or the Honda S-2000 or whatever. Not only that but they are aimed at completely different markets/demographics

    The Camaro/Mustangs are for real car enthusiasts who doesn’t give a rats a-r-s-e whether or not people think that s/he or their car is politically incorrect.

    Whereas MX-5s [and the like] are more for poseurs who are conscerned about their image and want to be seen as if they care about the environment etc

  • Dan

    Haha, Dadd. MX5? It’s a faboulous car that is held in high regard among the hairdressers out there. It’s been winning Hairdresser’s Weekly COTY for like two decades straight. But let’s talk about sports cars here okey dokey?

    And how do you define a fuel guzzler Dadd? My mate with his 911 thinks his car is a fuel guzzler, since it uses mid teens of litres per 100 kays, which is more than his mum’s Camry I might add :)

  • swampdawg

    So it uses a one piece moulded plastic body shell, F & R bumpers, bonnett and doors huh?
    Should be quite cheap then.

  • Wheelnut

    LimitedSlip – 14;000 mighnt be alot but it’s better than nothing

    And remember they’re 14;000 ADVANCED orders that is before the car has even been released [since june last year].. Production only started a couple of months ago and since then they have had even more steady orders

    Not to mention car enthusiasts from Australia Europe and The UK showing interest and wanting GM to export the cars so they too can buy one

    Which is why I think the Camaro Should have been built here given that its built on the VE platform and the Holden factory in Elizabeth is far more modern and flexible than the Factory in Canada

  • swampdawg

    Also comes in a CKD Tamiya kit as well. BYO paint and glue.

  • AussieCars

    Best looking muscle car EVER! (In my opinion of course)
    HSV really need to start looking at the camaro, corvette and a few other choice cars from the GM range and bring them over in small numbers. They would be mad not to.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Limited Slip you clearly dont get why people are attracted to Muscle Cars,most of these owners are old Muscle Car owners so really dont give to figs about fuel economy ! They simply want that old familiar look but with more grunt,better handling and stopping abilities,oh and they are easier to obtain !

  • Dan

    Wheelnut said – “Whereas MX-5s [and the like] are more for poseurs who are conscerned about their image and want to be seen as if they care about the environment etc”

    Hey Wheelnut. Guess what mate, we agree for a change :) By the way, I don’t think MX5 drivers drive it because it’s more environmentally freindly than a brute V8. They drive it because it is just oh so fabulous! They let the top down, and let their hair free in the air. And use it mainly to commute between their haridresser mates. Crikey, it’s just insane to even mention an MX5 in the same sentence as a Camaro, let alone compare them…

  • Cupid Stunt

    Pity I don’t have much hair then Dan neither am I a hairdresser so I’ll never qualify for one. Guess I’ll have to stick with the Dodge with Wheelnut.

    Interesting article by the way seeing how young designers are interpeting modern design with Retro. Guess they all have a craving for 60/70′s stuff. I do Eh BM lucky old Wheelnut.

  • Dan

    Perhaps you can still be bald, and feel fabulous in an MX5 cupid. Let us know how you go haha. For all you know you may still get some attention from other men ;)

  • Limited Slip

    You guys dont get it do you? This car is totally irresponsible and irrelevant to a car company who is just trying to survive. It sends the wrong message to the public when they see a car company about to go into bankruptcy because it has been building the wrong cars for years waste money on another gas guzzling niche vehicle. Geez you guys get with the times……….GM is almost dead and they bring this out???? no wonder over 60% of people surveyed said they didnt care if GM went under…..here’s the proof why !!!!

  • Dan

    Limited Slip, I totally agree. However GM is dead. It’s inevitable. But this looks like a sweet car, so let them at least go out with a bang! :)

  • smokin’R32

    Go home Limited Slip, if you think the only performance cars that should be on the road are fuel efficent MX5s then maybe this isnt the website for you. I appreciate a high MPG car as much as the next guy but your logic is flawed and youre making an ass of yourself.

  • Alex

    I’m not usually a fan of muscle cars but that thing does look excellent. I reminds me of a Volkswagen just in the fact that the lines are so clean and perfect, Not actually looking like a Volkswagen of course. The back picture of the silver one just looks perfect. I would rather one of these over the Dodge Challenger any day. Up against the Mustang, I’m not so sure, but I would definitely have to think about it.

  • Limited Slip

    Smokin’R32, you have missed the whole point …….I am not against performance cars at all you ass……dont you get it? This is the wrong car at the wrong time for GM, its this type of car which has put GM to death so releasing another one is just another nail in their coffin…….are you that thick that you dont understand that? do you even know GM is in massive trouble?

  • Pious

    I can understand your point – at the moment GM would be better coming out with some fuel efficient car with mass market appeal and mass sales, than a niche muscle car, right? Agreed, though this Camaro was in train well before the meltdown, and I am just glad they made it a reality regardless. It is beautiful! A fitting swansong.

  • Will

    Read the article on the Audi TDI’s.

    Lutz and cronies have totally wrecked GM. As stated earlier, this machine would have been relevant and little more than a styling exercise marketing on nostalgia if they had only looked at powertrains for out time.

  • Frontman

    Ha ha ha, guess my expectations of a “MUSCLE” car is a lot different to everyone else. Give me the axel tramping, sh1t handling Mustang that neads to be “MUSCLED” around a track to a soft riding piece of plastic anyday!!! I mean really, if you need to try to inderstand real muscle cars have another look at Eric and the BEAST!!
    Style wise though not bad (for a Chev ;p ). LS, your thoughts on why GM has failed are slightly misguided by the (not including CA) general media and those that have you believe we should all be driving Prius (Priuii?). If you look at the top 5 econimical vehicles (per segment) available in the States, you will fing that GM has an entrant in most catagories. You will also find that their build quality has lifetd over the past 7 years. (please read this with the knowledge that I am unashamedly Blue oval Bias when it comes to general vehicles). The reason that GM are paddling that canoe up said creek is the arrogance of the heads of department, the UAW, and the southern states giving concessions to car companies to manufacture down there.

  • HAL

    You’re a hard man to please, Frontman. I keep coming back to this article just to look at the back of that silver one again, and again. Just awesome….

  • Will

    For those whom still pay homage to the General…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QoA44c23A&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.crikey.com.au%2Fvideo.html&feature=player_embedded

    The gravediggers are already jumping ship, the last significant one just a few days ago for in excess of $21mill US.

  • Hummerbug

    Yeeeeahhp GM stands for General Mess! Love this car totally hot ! Hey Dan i think if you went out in this car a ” Bang ” would definatley be on the cards! The women would be flocking to get a ride …. (in the car)…

  • Shane

    Falcodore…not true, the mustang with the track suspension option out handles the Camaro.

  • Falcodore

    Shane, so you gotta spend the extra dosh to get the ‘stang up to the capabilities of the Camaro…. makes sense… NOT

    Wheelnut says;
    “April 1st 9:15pm”
    Totally agree with you on that one.

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    Shane

    You can track option the Camaro too… plus you can’t get independent rear suspension on a Mustang at all, period. Antiquated.

    The outside of the Camaro is so good it might make me overlook the interior. Great to see a car like this come out of GM.It actually has all round capabilities, great engines, great ride/handling, great looks. Hopefully it’s built well.

    Why has it taken so long?

    I just hope it’s not too little too late.

  • Cacatous

    Limited Slip, I’d say this kind of car is exactly the reason GM should be saved.

    It’s not a high volume car but a halo car as such. It caters to a niche and does it very well. GM aren’t pouring all their money into it and it was probably too far along in it’s development cycle to be scrapped.

    By the looks of things, they should sell quite a few and good luck to them. Now they should concentrate on better mainstream cars like the Astra and Vectra in the US. Not the crap ones kicking about at the moment.

  • Richo

    Sorry Limited Slip but your the one totally missing the point. These low production, high profit niche models are not GM’s problems, the problems are fairly clear, its the trucks, not the sports cars. You have a fundamental missunderstanding of what you are talking about. GM have significant problems, but cars like the Camaro and the Corvette are actually some of the few shining lights because they are high profit, can’t build enough to meet demand models.

    GM’s two biggest problems are that they rely too heavily on trucks in the US, and they have two many brands in the US.