Ford recalls Territory over brake issue
March 27, 2009 by George Skentzos
Following customer complaints on the issue, Ford Australia is now voluntarily recalling Ford Territory vehicles manufactured between February 1 2004 and December 31 2008.
The recall relates to a front brake hose fluid leak issue that in some cases has resulted in ‘reduced braking effectiveness’, although Ford is keen to point out this has been found in less than two per cent of vehicles.
An investigation by Ford has found that this issue only occurs under certain operating conditions – a combination of high time in service, along with frequent cornering at full steering lock.
According to Ford Australia, even following total front brake failure, the rear braking system will still bring the vehicle to a halt within Australian Design Rule requirements.
This recall only applies to non-Turbo Ford Territory vehicles manufactured during the time period of February 1 2004 to December 31 2008 – Territory Turbo, Territory Ghia Turbo and the FPV F6X are not affected.
Ford says owners should contact their nearest authorised Ford Dealer to make arrangements to have their vehicle rectified and if necessary the front brake hoses will be replaced free of charge.
Ford Australia will also contact owners by letter and will advertise the recall in daily newspapers in order to reach all customers.
Tags: ford territory
Only take them 2 years to admit this problem!
I thought the brake hoses were a problem on the Territory & Falcon. Why are they only recalling the Territory?
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa good on’ya Ford !
No accidents or inuries caused and MAYBE 2% of vehicles affected so well done Ford for the recall. Its basically a PR recall to avoid anti Ford people for slinging mud at Ford if they didnt recall them. Recalls seem to be a part of the industry these days. Toyota Holden and many others have had numerous recalls in the past few years.
AWD,
Don’t be silly, you sound like you’re using commom sense…
You know many around here crave the drama!
Oh and i agree with you.
“No accidents or inuries caused and MAYBE 2% of vehicles affected so well done Ford for the recall. Its basically a PR recall to avoid anti Ford people for slinging mud at Ford if they didnt recall them. Recalls seem to be a part of the industry these days. Toyota Holden and many others have had numerous recalls in the past few years”.
Yep ! Sounds like PR to me??
This is a component supplier problem, and is a sign of things to come, with Australia’s relatively small car industry. If Supplier “A” can’t supply the required item (at the required quality) them oftem there is no supplier “B” to turn to.
I understand Ford may have been trying to source a different component for quite some time, but company closures have hmpered finding alternatives.
Pablo, Territory and falcon have completely different front brake hose assemblies – don’t believe all of the unfounded dirt slinging that goes on.
Damn now what are those guys at the SMH going to write about???????????? GM going under?
What about if you already had the problem fixed? My brake hose went whilst in a drive through and left me stranded cost me almost $700 to get fixed.
Jensa,
It cost $700? is your territory out of warranty? How many Klms does it have?
At ford dealers today and was told about recall. One of my Territories going in on Tuesday to get this and another recall for a new computer program for engine – apparently the last one left the cars not complying with the emission laws!!! Probobly running too rich as fuel consumption has been Sh!# since the last update. I think it has also damaged something in the exhaust system as mine sounds crook now.
I drive a BA XR6 and i dont have problems with my falcon brakes at all. Buy a falcon only way to travel.
I thought CA already covered this announcment with the falcon and terry in the same post…..
Why are the turbo models not included????
do they run the premium barke package even in the Territory turbo???
Also must be good rear brakes if they can bring the vehicle to a standstill with in standards even if the fronts give up
It was a couple of months out of warranty. I was going through a drive thru whn I put my foot on the brake at the window, it went to the floor and there was smoke everywhere from the brake fluid going all over the engine…..managed to move it into the car park and rang the mechanic who had just replaced the brakes 2 months earlier initially thought there was something they had not done….turned out the brake hose on the drivers side had split due to being too short and with turning the wheel it eventually gave way….Rang Ford who at the time said a) there was no problem with the hoses and b)out of warranty c) wasnt ford that did the job….The cost of the hoses alone from memory without looking for the receipt was almost $400 since they sell them as a pair. Took roughly 4 hours. At the time I had roughly 80,000k on the clock am on 95,000 now.
Yeah BK own two Falcons now. The only way to fly!
Front suspension on Territory is different to BA,BF but same as FG. Might have something to do with it.
Falcon, The Great Australian Road Car.
Jensea I would write a letter to Ford customer relations enclosing copies of receipts for repairs etc.
Cannot see how they can deny u if receipts indicate prob and bare similarities to recall issue.
Just another reason not to buy a Ford…..
Might have to piss in their pocket a bit i.e how u intend to buy the new model and have always had a good experience with their product etc.
Bit slow tonight boys.Lol
…and can I guess what brand u endorse.LOL
i remember when all those people were compalining about the commodore recalls, but htose happened straight away. This one took 4 years to realise for Ford. Shame.
Bret, Can you tell me if the following article (28.05.07)is related to this one:
http://www.caradvice.com.au/28.....se-recall/
Hi all can anyone tell me if there is a problem with the transmision on Territory aswell and water leaking under the dash into the passenger side carpet.
O.K. I’ll be more specific.
The Territory is five months old & has done 5700 k.m.
1. Has a “CLUNK” noise every time you drive forward
2. Shifting the gear from “P” to “R” or “D” gives a big thump
3. On the slow drive I can feel the gears change up or down like an old car.
Freeway Ford said they are normal for the territory.
Then the water problem
Then the brake
WHAT Next ?
Can anyone help ?
thanks
realcars Says:
March 27th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
“Yeah BK own two Falcons now. The only way to fly!”
I feel sorry for you mate. You still drive your ute four hours a day to get to work?
“Falcon, The Great Australian Road Car.”
Your advertising is almost as bad as that for Holden’ rep Wheelnut. ‘LOL’
Marcus…….if thats your logic then we better not buy Toyotas Holdens BMW Mercedes.etc….. etc…..
Ford run rigourous punishing durability testing so this problem obviously didnt show up then……..did the supplier change the hoses ?
I have a 2004 territory ts with 66000k and i went and looked at my brake hoses as soon as i heard of this recall……….they look as good as new. will obviously get them changed anyway seeing its free !!! My Terry has been a great car, i tow a 21ft boat and a 28ft caravan and it does it with ease, you would think that the extra brake pressure and temp with all my towing would have shown up a problem such as this, so why doesnt it happen to all Territory’s? I dont understand why their is so many car recalls in this day of technology.
On the subject of recalls…….The Holden Commodore has the dubious honour of being the most recalled locally made car.
Holden has issued 20 recalls for the Commodore and its derivatives since the VT series was released in 1997.
20 recalls……and thats just Commodores!! Holden quality at its best.
No not anymore Realist.15mins tops so should get another ten years trouble free out of the mighty Falcon ute.
It is a work hack afterall.
See Falcon owners have the luxury of owning a car that lasts for decades and travels Hundreds of Thousands of klms.Just ask Taxi drivers and wise tradies.
Good to see u have been paying attention though.LOL
Falcon is an Aussie Icon and hence my reference to the XY advertising slogan and in case u hadn’t noticed or are u some kind of bloodless freak that doesn’t acknowledge heritage or history.
P.S don’t feel sorry for me I’m doing alright.
Terry04 see what Bret wrote earlier in relation to all manufacturers sourcing parts from different suppliers from time to time even for the same model.
Quote “The Realist Says:
March 27th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
realcars Says:
March 27th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
“Yeah BK own two Falcons now. The only way to fly!”
I feel sorry for you mate. You still drive your ute four hours a day to get to work?
“Falcon, The Great Australian Road Car.”
Your advertising is almost as bad as that for Holden’ rep Wheelnut. ‘LOL”
Once again nothing to say except digs at people not the subject,why bother ! Very sad !!
Shantha doesn’t sound right.
Ask to speak to the Service MANAGER if u haven’t already done so.Ask him to test drive the car with u and if he is still not convinced test drive one of their demonstrators with him as a comparison.
Shantha water in the cabin is either leaking windscreen seal which I doubt on a new car or could be a blocked or faulty drain hose from the air conditioning condensor.
Don’t use the air for a few days and see if the carpet is still wet.
Shantha – Cranbourne:
1. Has a “CLUNK” noise every time you drive forward
Is this only on the first time you take off after starting the car or every single time you stop in traffic and move forward again? If you only feel a mild “clunk” on first taking off after starting, it could be the ABS initialising. It makes a mild thump and whilst you could argue why it needs to make a clunk, it is common to all Territories and not a problem as such.
2. Shifting the gear from “P” to “R” or “D” gives a big thump
Try this when stopping next time: Bring the car to a halt. Pull the handbrake on. Take your foot off the brake and let the car settle. Now engage Park. See if it still thumps when you shift to R or D with that sequence.
3. On the slow drive I can feel the gears change up or down like an old car.
You’ll need to be more specific – is the gear change harsh or does it thump into gear or is it sluggish? 4 speed or 6 speed? Might be best to have it checked out if you’re concerned.
Shantha, the water on the floor is most likely a blocked air con drain hose. My sisters commodore had the same recurring problem. Because she always parked under a tree at work it kept blocking up with the tiny leaves.
Its an easy, quick fix, doubt they’ll even charge you to unblock it.
Jensea Says:
March 27th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
I would ask the question, but what you are describing doesn’t sound the same issue. Did you get the repairs carried out a Ford service depot or a private mechanic? If you went outside of the Ford network I wish you luck, but if you went to a dealer you’ll have a far better chance.
SHAK,
4 years of this supposed problem and not ONE accident attributed to it (and that’s the words of the journo who has been harping on about it not Fords). Also out of 90,000 vehicles there has been less than 2% failure (1800 vehicles) with NO accidents! Now either the Ford engineers have developed an extremely good braking system and should be applauded for that, or the truth is the complaint has been a trial by media and Ford are just doing this to appease the “experts”. Either way, if the numbers were the same for any brand I’d be saying the same thing, well done!
I don’t think any yaris seatbelts actually caught fire, but this didn’t stop regulars on this site from bagging that particular recall ^_^
Recalls happen all the time. This is why we have new car warranty. If you have used a private mechanic for any warranty work than you are a goose. Most warranty items that don’t require a re call are done the next time you bring the car in for a service, you wouldn’t even know until the service advisor points it out on your invoice. If you have a problem than take it to service!!!!!!!!!!!
sorry jensea , but you got ripped , was it a ford dealer??or independant mechanic , cos the hoses can be got seperate for $104.25 each.
March 27th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
It was a couple of months out of warranty. I was going through a drive thru whn I put my foot on the brake at the window, it went to the floor and there was smoke everywhere from the brake fluid going all over the engine…..managed to move it into the car park and rang the mechanic who had just replaced the brakes 2 months earlier initially thought there was something they had not done….turned out the brake hose on the drivers side had split due to being too short and with turning the wheel it eventually gave way….Rang Ford who at the time said a) there was no problem with the hoses and b)out of warranty c) wasnt ford that did the job….The cost of the hoses alone from memory without looking for the receipt was almost $400 since they sell them as a pair. Took roughly 4 hours. At the time I had roughly 80,000k on the clock am on 95,000 now.
jensea,
First you say “It was a couple of months out of warranty”
Then you say “rang the mechanic who had just replaced the brakes 2 months earlier”
Um. OK isn’t a couple, two?
Even if the car is out of warranty it shouldn’t effect the re call. Talk to the dealer you bought it from and you should still be able to have the repair done. I suspect the Ford dealer you called did not look into the issue properly.
I don’t get why there are so many people on this site who seem to think that recalls are a bad thing..
Sure it may be an inconvenience if you happen to own a particular make/model car that is affected by the problem [which given the overall number of cars of that make/model sold is very small [usually less than 5%] as you have to leave your car at the dealership to be fixed.
But think of the alternatives – what could happen to you or your car if the car manufacturer didn’t make the announcement
Because as far as I am aware they are only required to make the announcement as soon as they are aware of the problem and its potential risks etc. Therefore; some car companies may choose to deny that the problem even exists inorder to save their reputation which is built on superior build quality and reliability.
As Salesman says in most cases the recall work is done at the same time as your scheduled service [or vice versa] and most people would be unaware that their car even had such a problem.. which could be why some claim that their car hasn’t been affected by a recall when it probably has
I had had the front discs replaced that was a fair call not a warranty problem, The hoses going was a seperate issue it was just at the time because the brakes had not long been worked on it was my first thought maybe the mechanic had stuffed up ….This recall is almost 6 months after the problem happened The mechanic at the time had to get the hoses from Ford themselves and knowing it had previously occured elsewhere made sure there was no recall or known problem….Then we rang Ford Customer service ourselves since we knew the car was under the 100000 k but wasnt sure when the 3 years was up….
The repair was done by Lubemobile Who had done the previous service and brakes…IT was definitely the hose being too short …..At the time I had no choice on who fixed it as I was stranded and they were the only ones who had the payment plan…And as far as I am concerned FORD sydney overcharge their service costs something chronic…
Wheelnut said – “I don’t get why there are so many people on this site who seem to think that recalls are a bad thing..”
Such as yourself? Remember the article about the Yaris recall of seatbelts and your attitude about recalls themselves? You seem to change your tune as soon as it has something to do with good old Falcodores… Hypocritical on your part to say the least…
Realcars said – “Yeah BK own two Falcons now. The only way to fly! Falcon, The Great Australian Road Car.”
ROFL!!! Pure comedy!
Dan – that was more of having a shot at the Toyota fans on here who go on about how their beloved Toyotas are supposedly superior to everything else on the market in terms of research and development; design and engineering; build quality and reliabiliity etc.
That they are the ones the others look up to [including the Germans] etc as Toyotas don’t break down and therefore; don’t have recalls. unlike Ford and Holden
Yet the incident with the Yaris as well as a number of other “recalls” involving other models from both Toyota & Lexus proves otherwise doesn’t it?
Wheelnut, I can have a shot at the Falcodore/Kia/German fans on here who go on about how their beloved Falcodores/Kias/Germans are supposedly superior to everything else on the market in terms of research and development; design and engineering; build quality and reliabiliity etc.
That they are the ones the others look up to [including Toyota] etc as Falcodores/Kias/Germans don’t break down and therefore; don’t have recalls.
Get my point? Or haven’t you yet noticed how ridiculous and hipocritical you sound?
Thanks everyone, yeah I thought those were not normal. But what Superoo said was the exact answers from the Service manager at Freeway Ford.
They have booked the car for panel shop regarding the water problem.
What suprise me is that so much is wrong in a new car, no wonder Ford had to sack hundreds of people few months back and I for one do not feel any sympathy for anyof them.
thanks guys
Shantha, Ford has had quality problems and issues for many many years, decades even. It shouldn’t surprise you at all. They leak oil from brand new for christ sake. Pathetic! Of course many will blindly refuse the facts and claim crack pipe stories and excuses. I used to be into Fords when I was in my teens, thankfully saw the light and noticed 99% of other manufacturers out there make a better product!
Just because the Ford that you happened to own had a few problems doesn’t necessarily mean that every other Ford made before or since then will have similar problems..
and just because [you believe] your Lexus hasn’t had any quality/recall issues you think that every other Lexus is also immune from similar quality issues.
I mean – ANCrAP [for example] don’t actually test the safety of a particular make or model they test the safety of 5 individual cars of a given make or model and then apply the results of those tests to every other car of that model which is wrong
They use 5 individual cars of a particular make/model to assess the cars safety. the 5 cars they use may be good enough to pass all 5 tests and for ANCrAP to award it 5 stars.
However; that doesn’t necessarily mean that yout car would pass if it was used in one of the tests.. now does it?
Your car may have a fault which if it was used in the tests may have resulted in the model car being awarded 4 stars or even less..
A fault which in the real world would be compounded given that the ANCrAP tests are controlled and don’t allow for a number of variable factors,
Therefore; as I said Just because your car did / didn’t / doesn’t have any quality issues etc doenst mean every other car of that amke/model is the same.
Not only that but your car would make up less than 1% of the overall volume of cars sold of that make or model.
Wheelnut, lose the crack pipe for once! Falcons have ALWAYS leaked oil. Check any XD, check any XF, check any EA, check any EB, check any ED, check any EF, check any EL, check any AU…shall I go on? There has always been a problem with the rear main seal leaking for example, ask any mechanic! Just becasue you are denying the facts for the sake of disagreeing with me, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen across the board to ALL of them!
And way to go about swaying off topic with absolutely pointless point of ancap safety testing. What’s the point of that? Oh I see, you think that by diverting attention from the issue at hand, it would somewhat make you sound correct yeah? Noone is buying it wheelnut!
Every car manufacturer has recalls on there products at some point.Toyota – The Great Australian Retirement Village Car Park Car.
Dan I beleive it was a crack pipe that is the cause of the brake problems with the Territory
The reason I menntioned the ANCrAP tests was as a way of saying to you that the build quality of your car doesn’t necessarily mean that every other car of the same make/model as yours will be the same as yours – it could be better or it could be worse
However; as always you like to assume that just because you had problems with your XF Falcon that every other Ford made before or since then is of similar [inferior] build quality and has similar issues.
As I said your car would make up less than 1% of the overall volume of cars sold of that make or model.. Just as the 5 cars used by ANCrAP is a relatively insignificant number and not enough to pass judgement on all others cars of that Make/Model.
Dan if all of the 1 million plus Falcons made since the 1960’s had the same problems as your $600 XF – do you really think that Ford would still be in Business?
Exactly Phil ,and Ford dont make brake hoses as far as I know.
I want to know was it the way some were fitted that caused them to split ?
Dan; Even if I am in Dan-ial about the oil leaks and other problems that effect[ed] a relatively small number of XFs EAs EBs ELs AUs etc..
Doesn’t that also mean that you are in Dan-ial about the number of mechanical problems that have and still do effect a number of Toyotas and Lexus cars – just because your car hasn’t been effected?
Wheelnut, I have owned/rented/been assigned company cars etc. countless of Falcons/Fairmonts over the years. Many friends and family have had Falcons?Fairmonts/Fairlanes over the years. They ALL had the same problem. Like I said, speak to any mechanic. Don’t deny the facts simply for the sake of disagreeing with me.
And I’ve told all my mates with Falcoons to not park on my driveway, rather on the lawn. They all know why. They all have a tray under their car in the garage so they don’t mess up their floor. It’s OBVIOUS. Open your eyes and stop blindly denying this.
Wheelnut said “Dan if all of the 1 million plus Falcons made since the 1960’s had the same problems as your $600 XF – do you really think that Ford would still be in Business?”
Yes. There’s so much blind patriotism out there, they will overlook anything. Mate, I used to be into Falcons lots in my teens. I know your side very well. Denial about the shortcoming of the Falcoon (like displayed by yourself) is only a natural instict for any Falcodore owner. Been there, done that. Saw the light and left. Thank you very much.
Wheelnut said – “Even if I am in Denial about the oil leaks and other problems that effect[ed] a relatively small number of XFs EAs EBs ELs AUs etc..
Doesn’t that also mean that you are in Denial about the number of mechanical problems that have and still do effect a number of Toyotas and Lexus cars – just because your car hasn’t been effected?”
No it doesn’t. Lexus for instance has hardly any problems. They don’t leak oil AT ALL. That’s a fact, so I am not in any denial. I’ve built a new house two years ago. All I’ve had in my garage over the years was a Lexus, BMW, and a Toyota or two. Not one spot of oil on the floor. So clean you can eat of it. Mates with new Falcoons built a house, month later the floor is already stained from oil drips.
It is not a small number of Falcoons that are affected mate. Yes, you are in denial.
None of the falcons Iv’e owned had floor staining oil leaks,sounds like a bit of spin there Dan
Regardless of How many Falcons you have owned Driven rented or whatever Dan – I doubt the total number of them is nowhere near significant enough for you to say that ALL Fords or ALL Falcons [since 1925] have had and still do have the same problem.
I mean how many have you been in Dan 10-20 or 1000-2000?
Lexus might not have oil leaks [though they probably do] However; they do have and have had other mechanical problems which other Toyota/Lexus owners have complained about and Toyota-Lexus have issued recalls on.
Sure your car might not be effected but as I said before your car would be less than 1% of the total number of IS250s sold [worldwide] and is therefore not enough for you to base your claism that Lexus are immume to any such issues.
But thats right if it hasn’t / doesn’t happen to you than it can’t / won’t happen.. yet if it has happened to you then it has happened or will happen to everyone else
Wheelnut said – “Lexus might not have oil leaks [though they probably do]”
Negative champ
Go on, keep on denying it. Somehow the odds of 100%guaranteed oil leaks in the 100+ Falcons I have dealt with are running against your wild claims. But thats right Wheelnut, if it hasn’t / doesn’t happen to you than it can’t / won’t happen.. yet if it has happened to you then it has happened or will happen to everyone else. You’re the sort of bloke who’d argue quantum physics with Einstein Wheelnut!
Dan,
i think you are blowing it well out of proportion.
Are you off your medication because the other week I thought you were starting to make sense and toning down looking through the world through your toyota coloured glasses………
Ive had oil around the diff of one of my previous falcons, but nothing more than a smear. If they were to leak at a rate of which you describe there would be diffs seizing up everywhere.
Oh, i forgot, i also had an oil leak from the sump of an XF i had many years ago. the previous owner had obviously bottemed it out somewhere because it was caused by a small split in the sump near the drain plug. It only started leaking once i pulled the silicone off of it to change the oil one time. I could never silicone it back up the same way as they had previously done it, result = a very minor leak.
other than those reasonable cases nothing really worth notting ones knickers about and I have owned one of every gen falcon from XF to the current FG.
Even if they did leak like a sieve as YOU claim, you cant take away its other worthwhile great attributes.
I have to agree with Dan. I’ve been buying Falcons ever since I can remember, and I’ve owned pretty much all of them in the series since the XF up to my current one BF XR6. I’m sorry to say, all of them leaked oil. I’m not sure about the FG, but I’m planning to buy it later on towards the end of the year. Hopefully they’ve addressed those oil leaks. Personally I am used to it, so it doesn’t bother me. I don’t need my garage floor to be “so clean you can eat of it”.
Who the hell is this Dan Dlckhead!?!?
Grow up shlt for brains! Get your head out of your ass and stop being an a$$hole.
Then maybe you will get some friends and not need to live your life as a total tool online!
Wheelnut you grow up too ya knob. You won’t win anything arguing with a fukstik, why don’t you learn?
Oh dear, truth hurts, doesn’t it John? Don’t worry, I was also in such state of denial when others were telling me falcons were crap. I called them dickheads also. Until I learnt the truth. Essentially, I couldn’t say anything remotely intelligent in Falcon’s defence, other than emotionally calling the other party a ‘d|ckhead’. Because deep down, I knew they were right. I was on your side of the fence once too John. But it’s time for you to come down from the tree :)
P.S. I have enough great friends in real life to look for any online.
So true Dan!!
Dan Says: Essentially, I couldn’t say anything remotely intelligent in Falcon’s defence,
Thats weird because on the FG XR6 Turbo review you said
Dan Says: February 19th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
this is an awsome car. In my opinion fords are the best cars and this car proves it. WHO DOESN’T WANT THIS CAR!!!!!!
Which is intelligent because even I as a Holden fan believe that the XR-6 Falcon [and the FPV F6] is the best 6 cylinder Aussie made car since the the VL.. infact the whole car is an awesome package – I’d have one
Which shows that you can say something intelligent not to mention positive about Ford [and maybe even Holden] when you put your mind to it.
I love Lexus. All Lexus car are awesome cars. In my opinion Lexus makes the best cars and the IS, RX, LS and so on prove it. WHO DOESN’T WANT A LEXUS!!!!!!
Whoa!!! Wheelnut!! I never expected that from you, that you would ever say that. You said it right? It wasn’t just someone taking the piss and putting your name in the signature, surely?
Well guess what champ. I didn’t write that comment up there either mate.
Wheelnut – “Which is intelligent because even I as a Holden fan believe that the XR-6 Falcon [and the FPV F6] is the best 6 cylinder Aussie made car”
So basically, whatever I say, you will only consider it intelligent, if I agree with you.
Yep, proves my point exactly…
Dan – So basically, whatever I say, you will only consider it intelligent, if I agree with you
Not at all. For instance, I agree with the statement that a Falcon kicks Commodores butt. However certain statements of yours, especially related to finance accounting and economics, you have no clue about, and are purely wrong. And I am more than happy to point it out and correct you. Doesn’t mean you lack intelligence, you just don’t have the knowledge or real life experience in them. Similarly to when you claim the LS is based on the Camry. You just don’t have a clue. You may be good at whatever it is you do for a living (you’d hope), knowledge about cars you are not :) Again, your lack of knowledge, doesn’t mean lack of intelligence by any means. Now hopefully you won’t argue on that point either…
realcars Says:
March 27th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
“No not anymore Realist.15mins tops so should get another ten years trouble free out of the mighty Falcon ute.
It is a work hack afterall.”
Fair enough.
“See Falcon owners have the luxury of owning a car that lasts for decades and travels Hundreds of Thousands of klms.Just ask Taxi drivers and wise tradies.”
I prefer to change my car every 3 years, optimum tax minimisation and all that… I’ll keep letting you and your mates pay for the roads I drive on.
“Good to see u have been paying attention though.LOL”
It’s hard to miss when you pop up every four posts on a Toyota, Ford or Holden blog. LOL.
“Falcon is an Aussie Icon and hence my reference to the XY advertising slogan and in case u hadn’t noticed or are u some kind of bloodless freak that doesn’t acknowledge heritage or history.”
Never owned a Falcon so wouldn’t know. Sat in heaps of them though if that counts?
Bavarian Missile (.)(.) Says:
March 27th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
“Once again nothing to say except digs at people not the subject,why bother ! Very sad !!”
You guys are the life of the forums. I reckon CA’s popularity is down to you – so well done!
BTW I wanted to respond to your query about features in the Lexus review thread, but can’t post any more comments there for some reason… I could tell you how lousy and cheap the sat nav in the Chauffeured Caprice was last week when I was in Perth if you like?
Oil leaks and cylinder head\gasket problems with Falcons have all but been eliminated since the AU. Of course with any car there will alway be some problems but overall oil leaks are not a concern at all for Falcons from AU on. I have worked in Ford dealers for 17 years and know all there is too know about Falcons, the good and the bad.
I havent seen any badly worn Territory brake hoses or worked on one where the brakes havent worked properly. Although i think I will hate the sight of Territory brake hoses over the next 6 months or so.
Thanks AWD for contributing something about the topic , out of interest have you had many BAs with the same problem ? Wasnt there from memory the same fault with them ? Are they the same hose ?
Ive owned a XD with a 351 in and a EF falcon with a 6 cylinder in it and currently own a BA XR6 and i have never had any brake problems with these cars. Only prob i had was with the XD 351 doin mass burnouts and goin through lots of tyres. Now those where the hoon days for me. I dont think Ford would have brake issues with there cars and its just another publicity stunt they use to suck people in like the ones who read these forums all the times.
Dan,
just admitt it,
the reason you keep popping up and mentioning the word falcon is because you want one
Andrew M, nowadays I get enough Falcon experience just by catching taxis from boozy nights out. Looking back, I still don’t understand what exactly I liked in them when I was a teen in the first place… very mediocre car.
The Realist, I’ve played with the satnav the other day in one of our company pool cars. I indeed share your sentiments. Lousy, cheap, not user friendly at all.
I’ve got three oil stains on my driveway:
1 from inlaws’ camry, 1 from the old Subie (340,000+ km)
and a friends (grey import) Lexus.
Not a single oil stain from the last 4 Falcons.
Dan you are a tool. Oil leaks are a symtom of a vehicles age and maintenance level, not the badge on the grill.
My last two Falcons leaked oil. There’s always a fresh drop of oil on the floor in my carport under the car.
As Bret says its to do with maintenance and age ! Gaskets dont last forever folks…………….If its new then take it back under warranty!
Dan…owned many a car in my lifetime and the only one that lost engine oil was the IS200, as does my neighbour’s Avalon. Fair enough if you don’t like a particular make, but be sensible about what you say, please.
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Dan,
since the falcons have seemed to have gotten you home safely on those boozy nights you speak of, I would have thought you would have developed more respect for them.
With out them you would be crawling home in the gutter.
Have you been having more of these “Boozy” nights lately because your latest comments have been no where near the point of being reasonable.
Im guessing 2 weeks ago you had a dry spell because back then you were starting to make sense.
Maybe Ford should use this re call as an opportunity. How about a new slogan in advertising?
“New Ford. You don’t need brakes when you are leading the pack”
Andrew M said – “since the falcons have seemed to have gotten you home safely on those boozy nights you speak of, I would have thought you would have developed more respect for them.”
You seem to imply like if it was some sort of great achievement, that a car has actually got me home (as opposed to breaking down halfway on the road I presume). Wow! Isn’t a car meant to do that? Get you to where you are going? Hardly a great achievement, it’s meant to do that by default! An Alfa on the other hand… let’s not go there :P
What’s not making sense? All Falcons, new and old, that I dealt with over the years were leaking oil. Should I rephrase it some other way for you to make sense? Perhaps say it in Chinese? I don’t understand where you have difficulties in understanding this Andrew M.
^ well, you also go by the alias Chinese Driver on this website, Dan, so you may as well say it in Chinese too :-)
What the heck does Chinese Driver mean? Now Andrew M definately won’t make any sense of it…
Dan,
Thanks for your prompt reply……
Excuse me for trying to lighten your mood. I couldnt help myself but to put in a bid to lower your arrogance a couple of pegs.
Get off the booze, your hangover is blatently obvious
No falcons i have ever dealt with have ever stained a garage floor.
tough luck on you if your dealing have shown otherwise.
you have clearly made your point, now get over it.
Be aware that your dealing dont ring true for every other falcon that has hit our roads.
Do you also believe that all blondes and Irish are stupid, or that all women are house wives and hopeless drivers?????
Do you also believe that all males are s e x i s t pigs??
See, those other examples that i listed are just some typical stereo types getting around in this world. Your idea that ALL falcons leak oil is just another to the collection.
Sure some falcons may have leaked oil in the same way that some blondes are dumb, some women are house wives and some men are s e x i s t pigs, but based on that it really is untrue to tar everything into its related stereotype.
Should I rephrase it some other way for you to make sense? Perhaps say it in Chinese? I don’t understand where you have difficulties in understanding this Dan.
Salesmen types can spot the dan types a mile away.
“You’re here to buy a car, suurrrreeee, I’ve got an exxxtra special one out the back, you will loooove it and it’s a special price”…….digs for the keys to the warranty lemon parked out back.
Thinks to himself, “this will give this highbrow something to whinge about, bloody accountants – no personality and think their s*%$ doesn’t stink”…..
Andrew M, I have no idea what your essay up there about generalising have anything to do with Falcons here. Whatever it is you are saying, still doesn’t make my statement of having leaky Falcons any less true. Maybe it’s a case of bad luck to be constantly coming across ones like that, I don’t know. Maybe they’re not supposed to, but there’s heaps of lemons coming out of their plant. Who knows. Either way, the ones that I have dealt with, leak oil. Plain and simple.
Cameron said – “Salesmen types can spot the dan types a mile away…… digs for the keys to the warranty lemon parked out back”
Nope. I don’t drive a Kia.
LOL! I can always come here for some light hearted entertainment!
QUOTE DAN……….
“Whatever it is you are saying, still doesn’t make my statement of having leaky Falcons any less true.”
True that, I can never take away your past experiences, but what I can take away is your efforts to link your experiences to telling a tale that every other example will or does suffer the same fate.
You still havent figured that out yet????
I have never said you are lying about your $600 XF having leaked oil on your dinner plate of a garage floor.
If the only trouble you got from an old dunger of an XF was an oil leak, you should be dancing in the street.
the cost to replace that gasket would be far far less than a minor service on a lexus.
It could also be worse in that you had one of the camrys that were renowned for blowing head gaskets instead.
So you had an old XF, it leaked oil, you are done with it, you feel bitter for some reason, so what, get over it
Andrew M – “If the only trouble you got from an old dunger of an XF was an oil leak, you should be dancing in the street.”
If… if… the car was a POS. It kept on overheating during usual Perth heat, even after flushing the whole system. Door handles were dodgy as hell, could just flick them and it would unlock itself. Sometimes the accellerator cable got stuck so when you start up the car, it goes straight up to 4K rpm idle, wtf? Mate, Ic an go on and on and on.
And XF wasn’t the only Falcon I had. Go right up to the BF! With each series there was some problem, including of course the usual oil leaks! So pardon me for the view I have of them. Maybe you got lucky and your falcon doesn’t leak oil at all. Given the high odds of mine leaking oil, I can bet 100 bucks and point at any Falcon on the street and say it leaks oil also. Wanna take me up on that?
Dan,
why would you want to make a bet like that when you have such a high chance of losing?
No wonder companies are going bust with losing gambling accountants like you.
Maybe you shouldn’t have bought wornout ex-taxis.
Your trouble is you think you’ve “made it” because of a qualification and certain position. But you still think and act like a pimply school kid. All the maturity of the cheap booze.
I don’t gamble at all, the only time I do is when I know I will win. I can go down to our carpark and check out our company pool cars, all Falcons will have fresh oil stains underneath them. And they’re less than 1-2 years old.
And no, no ex taxis, no cheap booze :)
Geez, some people really take it personally. As soon as I say something negative about a Falcodore, it’s as if I insulted their mother… yep, like I stated a while ago above, back in the days of loyal Ford fan, I coudln’t defend my brand intelligently enough, and had to resort to such personal insults. Prime example right there with your responses guys. :)
Dan,
sounds like you got a mistreated old XF.
surely for what you paid for it coupled with your self proclaimed mathematical brain, one would have thought you would have realised you werent buying much for that price.
All the symptoms you described are related to vehicle abuse.
For example an accelerator cable is a very basic assembly.
Did you check the log book to ensure the vehicle was properly serviced before you purchased it???
And just a side note, ford havent used accelerator cables since AU.
Door locks…….
I could go up to just about any car from the 80’s era and unlock it with out the key. Hell, some you can even start with out the key!!!!!!
Your maths cant be that good????
firstly tell me how many falcons have ever been made then tell me what percentage of them you owned……
I gotta feeling that your experiences arent exactlly “high odd” producing
Ok,
Ill take your bet.
lets go for a stroll down the street and for every falcon you point at that is leaking, I owe you 100 bucks.
We will take it in turns where it is my turn to point at a falcon that isnt leaking. When i am right, you owe me 100 bucks
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Simon once asked ,”do they breath air on your planet Dan ? ” Well do they ?
Stop making stuff up to help your case,you have no credibility on this site man.
falcons and commodores are the most breakdown cars on our roads.just ask RACV….or…NRMA.
Dan, at work most people always park in the same spot (creatures of habbit hey) and I can tell you most of the oily spots belong to Toyotas, not Falcons.
What about the guy that parks 2 spot up, with the 3 month old Corolla (light grey sportivo) with the wet oily puddle and the oil smeared rear bumber?
Toyota recon that the seal will “take up” and the leak will stop. Either that or when it runs out of oil ha ha. Boy is this guy pissed off, and wishes he had kept the old ‘Rolla.
Are you in Perth Andrew?? I wanna make some easy money hey :) Let’s settle it on ten cars, unless you want to be more charitable with your handouts…
Wasn’t just the XF. The EL had a fair few problems too. So did the AU. They were all well maintained and taken care of cars. Yet still pissed oil!
Granted, the Falcons I dealt with were maybe 0.000000001% of total produced. But in any case, how come haven’t I come across one that doesn’t? Gotta be a link there surely? There’s like five people on this site complaining about a problem with their 200 series landcruisers, and somehow that already is considred by you to be the representative of the population. Yet not so with the tens of Falcons I have dealt with. I smell some double standards there on your behalf ;)
Dan said: “Mate, Ic an go on and on and on.”
*sigh* you do mate, you do.
OK, some falcons leak oil. Some commodores leak oil, some lexus’ leak oil, some bmws leak oil. I don’t think I’ll go on.
I’ve had 2 falcons as company cars, neither leaked oil – maybe I’m just one of the lucky ones.
The BA – no oil leaks, but drove like a tractor and had terrible noises in the transmission.
The BF – no oil leaks, great car in every respect except fuel consumption, which was still better than the VE.
Next year I will probably go back to a company car.
Guess what – it will be a FG. Probably a mark II and I’ll be happy to have one. Will it have oil leaks? Possibly, but I’ve had no reason to suspect it will. Will it need it’s brake hoses replaced?
It better not!
Bret, all Falcons in our carpark have wet puddles underneath them. And they are all within their allocated bays, so no other car parks there. The rest of the cars, other than few exceptions here and there, are dry.
Hey “The Fact”, and what are the most common cars on the road? Do you understand percentages???
Most commonly broken down vehicles in Coober Pedy are Landcruisers – FACT. Doesn’t matter that there are twice as many on the road there as anything else, the fact is that Lancruisers breakdown more than anything else.
Statstics…….
Yeah well I guess if you took a survey of the number manufacturer based on what finished in the F1 yesterday that would give you a true indication of who also is the superior manufacturer ? Right!
Hey Ford recalled brake hoses they dont even make,get over it.
They at least announce it publicly……..there are some that prefer to just send the letter out as the poor guy that has experienced Chassis cracks in his 80k 200 series Landcruiser this month,anyone hear of that one ?
No …………………….didnt think so!
You can prove absolutely anything with statistics lol! Especially when you don’t quote any sources! ;) Let’s not go there :)
Dan, nobody believes you BS rants. Give it a break. Why is is I can have 4 Falcons with a combined distance of over 1 Million km, and never have an oil leak yet you THINK that they ALL do???
(Oh and BTW, I’ve owned more Toyotas than Fords).
You are letting your pathetic bias run away with your imagination – loser.
Bavaria – “Hey Ford recalled brake hoses they dont even make,get over it.”
Hey, Toyota recalled seat belt assemblies they dont even make, get over it!
Get my point now??
Agains starting with personal insults? Seriosuly, is it a Falcon driver mentality or something? I’m gald I quit owing them, woudln’t wanna be associated with one of you!
So you did 250K+ kays in each car?? I do feel sorry for you. Not doing well enough financially to update more often are you? Loser. (oops, sorry, my Ford driver characteristics crept back in again, you understand)
Um Bret one would think company cars would be leased by the company and thus still under warranty,seems someone isnt doing their job at fleet if they haven’t gone back under warranty by now ? If the oil leaks were that noticeable Im sure someone would have complained to Ford ;)…….
And how many times have we heard stories from various people on this site complaining to Ford about issues they have with their cars, and saying how they were ignored? Heaps loL!
I’m loving this!! Keep going! :)
Just for your reference !
http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/.....x%3Fpn%3D1
As I said ,hear of that one ????????????????
Dan, did I say I personally did all the km? I just don’t buy “new” all the time. Oh and three of them had well over 300,000km, and were still far more reliable than any of the Toyotas.
I don’t need to prove my worth to you. Get your KRudd bonus did you? Assuming you actually have a job and can pay some tax (going by you frequncy here maybe not?) I wont be getting one…. too much income or something?
BM, yep you’re right Dan’s always full on BS and light on real facts – seems the details of reality escape him.
Dan,
do you ever tape your self and listen back to it just for a laugh???
perhaps you should because what everyone else seems to be hearing is some seroiusly twisted stuff coming from your end.
So since everyone else here commenting on your mentality seems to think you are a joke, does that mean that you are???
the statistics to that prove that yes you are and its a stronger win than you stats that say every falcon leaks oil
Doesn’t matter if you or your missus drove it. Who keeps any car for that long anyway?
No KRudd bonus for me either :\ Going off topic, but we’ll be paying more taxes as a result of this for many years to come. Useless Labor govt… expensive way to ‘buy’ popularity haha
Bret, come and take a look at our cars in the carpark, if you don’t believe me. No BS. You’ll get your statistics there.
Sorry, thought I’d jump in and join youse for a bit of a biffo :)
Andrew, it seems like a common trait on here, where if someone doesn’t agree with you, name calling follows on, as supposedly, that will somehow aid you in ‘winning’ an argument. Very juvenile on your behalf if you ask me. Look at yourself first mate!
Dan, perhaps you had better get your fleet manager to tell the service guys that you cant just do up the sump plug with your fingers, because clearly ther is a major anomoly in your carpark. Either that or every lemon Falcon ever has either passed though your hands or been on you carpark.
Get off it, the reality just does not support your feeble minded stories.
Fezza, what you’ve never kept a car that did it’s job, was cheap to own and you enjoyed driving? Pity. Memories that come back…. Anyway, I just tend to think that if your happy with a car, why do you have to change, unless your really shallow and need to impress the neighbors like DAN, Real estate is a better investment.
Seems we WERE talking to the same person. You’ve got to remember to change the NAME back when you change between you split personalities.
Making up alter egos to support yourself – now thats losing.
Dan,
please reference me to where i resorted to calling you names…..
I hope you arent imagining again…….
No doubt, put investments ahead of toys. What makes you think I haven’t done that? Fezza is right, holding a car for that long is just ridiculous. I understand if the car was something special, maybe. But a Falcoon??
Bret, it seems like I am talking to the same person too. Are you also bavaria, andrew m, and simon too? You seem to change your nickname on a regular basis…
Andrew M, the reference you made to ‘questioning mentality’ is an indirect name calling isn’t it? Being called a ‘joke’ is also name calling. Perhaps your standard of manners is not as high up there as it should, so you don’t see it. Hence you’re forgiven.
Dig dig dig Dan,
you still havent got yourself out of that one yet.
Huh?
Dan,
now its your turn to scroll back up and also sight where you have questioned the mentality of others.
Thats it, up a bit further, AND STOP.
you see now????
You want to be the pot or the kettle because you certainly arent the innocent little boy that you make yourself out to be
Let’s just settle this folks. Ford doesn’t make quality cars. Period. It ain’t a merc, or a beemer, or any other quality manufacturer, it will have faults, and that’s a given. Whether leaking oil or stuffed brakes, you get what you pay for.
I hear the sound of back peddling Andrew!
Why wouldnt he agree with himself…………..
Brets writing style is nothing like mine,no offense Bret !
Care to point it out perhaps? I did for you. What’s with people not referencing these days, sheesh…
You can tell by some ones writing style who they are,just like spotting a native dog,all good at that too now !
Bavaria – “Brets writing style is nothing like mine,no offense Bret !”
Yeah, he doesn’t put a picture of saggy tits in his signature haha.
Speaking of which, gives me an idea :)
So Dan, I mean Fezza,
Nothing is perfect, not even a BMW or Lexus.
thanks for pointing out that a falcon isnt, but a lexus or BMW isnt either
TAKE OFF THE BLINKERS
LOL! Are you actually putting Ford on equal par with the Germans?? Either that, or you missed Fezza’s point.
Ummm, I am not Dan.
This is more enjoyable than Jerry Springer!! Let me ask, is Dan a Holden fan? Hahaha.
You got me.
Dan Says: Andrew M, the reference you made to ‘questioning mentality’ is an indirect name calling isn’t it? Being called a ‘joke’ is also name calling.
Aaahh then Dan calling people “Muppets” [which you have done on a number of occassions [along with Tom-ass]] is also a personal insult – as it implies/infers that we are easily [mis]led and unable to think for ourselves etc.
Qui Pro Quo
Good to see this hes degenrated into the usual name calling.
My experience. My Dad had an EB Falcon bought new, leaked oil after 60,000 leisurely k’s. Now has a 97 Camry V6 wagon bought new and still does not leak a drop of oil. My Mum has a 97 Hyundai Excel bought new, and does not leak a drop of oil. Falcon’s that the company I used to work for were forever having central locking problems.
So, from my experience, Falcon’s are not the most reliable cars out there, but a lot of people will look past this because parts for older Ford’s are cheap and easily replaceable.
Quote “Fezza is right, holding a car for that long is just ridiculous. I understand if the car was something special, maybe. But a Falcoon??”
Well I guess superannuation companies that look at early GT Falcons as investments so include them must me plain wrong based on that ASSUMPTION!
Dan Says: I don’t gamble at all, the only time I do is when I know I will win. I can go down to our carpark and check out our company pool cars, all Falcons will have fresh oil stains underneath them. And they’re less than 1-2 years old.
Dan that think about what you just said.. It’s a car park right? now let’s say that one of your colleagues takes out one of the Falcons in your companies fleet.. leaving an empty space.
Now I strongly doubt that that empty space is reserved for that Falcon with a specific number plate is it? particularly if your work is in a highrise building with a number of other tennants and parking spaces are limited
Which means that whilst the Falcon is out the space is most likely going to be taken by another car be it a Toyota a Holden a VW or whatever
Which means that there would be no way for you to say that the oil definitely came form the Falcon or another car that was in that space before it.
BTW Dan I thought you said you were an Accountant not a Valet/Car Park Attendant?
To make such claims/observations you must spend an awful lot of time down there. I mean how do you know whether or not no other cars park in the spots reserved for your company cars?
I used to be an Assistant Motor Vehicle Fleet Manager for a NSW Gummint Department and even though we had a number of spaces reserved for our cars [which were mostly Toyotas BTW and therefore the grounds on which I base my comments] most of the time we had to park elsewhere as someone else was in one of our spots.
Dan Says: You can prove absolutely anything with statistics lol! Especially when you don’t quote any sources!
Dan you can prove whatever you like with statistics it all depends on:
when where and how the survey is conducted.
how the questions are worded.
how many people are asked – [as well as thier s-x and age]
how the questions are interpreted by the participants
how the participants answers are interpreted
and finally..
Whether or not the results are positve or negative which will determine whether or not you refer to them to support your arguement.
Is this as serious as the Yaris detachable brake caliper recall!
Wheelnut, each car space in my building is designated to each particular car, and that car only. Anything else parks there, it gets towed. Simple. Sorry, your theory didn’t work mate.
Wheelnut – “I mean how do you know whether or not no other cars park in the spots reserved for your company cars?”
LOL! Company policy, and constant email reminders from building management. It is strictly enforced, so whether you are a cleaner or the CEO, you will know about it.
And wheelnut, don’t teach me about the basics of statistics. It’s a basic course everyone does at uni mate, so spare your essay.
Bavarian – “Well I guess superannuation companies that look at early GT Falcons as investments so include them must me plain wrong based on that ASSUMPTION!”
Early GT Falcons and your $500 bread and butter Gli/Forte/XT sh|tters are not the same. If you are implying that in any case, a normal taxi Falcoon will get anywhere near a collectible status, you must be on drugs hahahahahahaa! But hey, go buy your 500 dollar smelly and rusty EF falcon taxi with squillion kilometres on the odo, maybe you’ll get rich in 20 years time hahahaha
I wasn;t trying to teach you the basics of statistics Dan.
My point was that people refer to statistics when it suits them that is all – you should know being a Toyota/Lexus fan… You and the other 2 on here do it quite regularly to try and prove a point.
What’s more is that you mention the survey and the rsults etc you then say that they are FACT! when they aren’t -they are merely an indication of what a selected group of people think about a particular subject
Because the results of the survey would change each time you did it becuase of the factors I mentioned.
Wheelnut – “I wasn;t trying to teach you the basics of statistics Dan.”
So what was the point of typing all that then Captain Obvious?? YOu basically elaborated on what I said in the very beginning. Great, you agree with me.
Bavarian Missile Says:
March 30th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Quote “Fezza is right, holding a car for that long is just ridiculous. I understand if the car was something special, maybe. But a Falcoon??”
Well I guess superannuation companies that look at early GT Falcons as investments so include them must me plain wrong based on that ASSUMPTION! ”
Dan you twisted it around thats not what you said,you said a “Falcoon,not what type.You lose again dude! Admit it you love Fords build a bridge and get over it !
Dan – let me put it another way using much simpler terms
What I was getting at was by making a statemetn suchas ” “you can prove absolutely anything with statistics…”
youre implying that you don’t hold Statistics Surveys or other clinical [ANCrAP] tests etc in very high regard.
Yet you and the other Toyota fans on here refer to statisitcs etc more often than anybody else on here in an attempt to support your arguement.
That is of course if the results are in favour of Toyota – yet when they are negative you dispute them or ignore them.
You can’t have it both ways.
Wheelnut, get over it. Does it always have to be so serious with you? 80% of statistics quoted to prove a point are made up on the spot, 65% of statisticians will tell you that.
CHF – “you said a “Falcoon,not what type”
Yeah, because out of the total number of Falcoons made, only 0.000000001% actually hold some value after 25 years, I must be refering to the tiny tiny minority and not the actual majority an intelligent person would consider when referring to a mere Falcon… yeah right. Get back in your box, your argument is a FAILure.
Go to beddy byes Dan go to bed.
10:30’s way too early. But you can feel free to have your nanna nap cupid.
Fact is Dan you should have specified what you meant without putting all Fords IN YOU OPINION IN THE SAME BASKET !
You have a habit of not clarifying what you mean before you go on a rant,then you do your spin Doctor thing and start back peddling.Very embarrassing for yourself .
Your the one that failed dude your just not man enough to admit it.
Seems that Dan has proved himself to be a full of BS tool again. Dan has no facts to back up his BS so he gets his alter ego Fezza to “back him up” with what? again no facts just empty rhetoric.
This BS is over with.
And no Dan I use a single name in a discussion!
I can’t believe this rant is still going.
Dan, who do you work for? Where is your office? What is your position? Put up the info so we can verify. The more you post the more I doubt you are anything you claim to be.
Bret, Simon, Andrew M, Wheelnut – you guys are as guilty as Dan is for perpetuating this rubbish on every thread. If you really don’t want to get into petty arguments with Dan about the same crap over and over again, then just do what BM has been successful in doing and ignore his jibes. You’ll notice there isn’t anymore rubbish going on between those 2, so just do the same.
There is more to life than this website, so snap out of it.
Here, here EOTC.
Simon, would you like my full name, home address, date of birth, bank account details, and other stuff with that as well??
I find it pathetic that you Falcoon supporters get all jumpy and start with personal attacks as soon as someone says something negative about your car. Geez, it was merely a statement that all Falcons I dealt with leaked oil! Get on with your life, you are all pathetic!
Bloody hell. Brother’s been using my comp again…
Sure he has….. and your an accountant (with a job?) who drives a Lexus, lives in an affluent suburb and has years of motoring experience.
All the cridability of a rabid native dog!
Do I have to prove anything to you? No.
Bret – “rabid native dog”
Huh?
Dan no need to PLAY dumb. You show it conlusively far too often.
(Shoot my typoing is shoockig toay!)
I have genuinely absolutely no idea what you are on about Bret.
Sorry for dragging an old thread, but in response to
Jensea Says:
March 27th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
What you have described can NOT happen from the recall issue, just had a look at the lines, and they cannot spray onto the engine or exhaust. also being a diagonaly split system you would still have brakes. Sorry but feel it’s important for you to know.
Frontman, funny how the made up stories always somehow ignore little facts. Like why can’t you stop from reversing when the FRONT brakes failed – the rears are doing all of the work when reversing.
I’ve already had 1 brake hose fail, no brakes, not a nice feeling for my wife who was driving at the time.
Also another common problem, are ball joints. i’ve just spent neally $700 on replacing the lower control arms. ball joints and bush’s were completely distroyed.
This this to be looked at by ford as im told this is a very common problem.
Frontman I have already spoken to Ford again and even the brake hoses I have had replaced may need to be replaced again under the RECALL as any hoses used up to Dec 08 are still possibly under the recall Until Ford see which hoses were used and since their is a massive backlog at the moment I have to wait until after easter. The Problem is the hoses are too short and do not allow for movement, I have already had this confirmed so do not tell me this is not a recall issue. I have also been told I should be reimbursed the cost of previous repairs.
I certainly wasnt talking about the top of the engine being sprayed but just in general. And unless you have had your brake hose split in exactly the same spot you can not know exactly what I and the mechanic saw. And I never said I had no brakes just that I moved the car into the parking area as I certainly wasnt going to risk driving when I had no idea what was going on.
I have had my front hoses replaced twice. Now my offside rear hose has gone (split). I have tried to ask Ford to make some consideration for the back brake hoses as well. As there is currently no campaign for these I am on my own. Ford Assist’s suggestion, take it to the media. So this is what I will have to do. Anybody else who has had a problem with their back brake hose please submit your comment. I am keen to establish if collectively we make up 2%, so that we can also have these hoses attended too.
Ok, Ford are feally pissing me off at the momment. I own a territory TX 2004 , Back passenger side, brake hose split, two weeks later, drivers side rear brake hose split. ford will not cover repair costs. Everytime it rains carpet gets soaked from passenger side front under dash somewhere, and i meaqn soaked from front to back.Window switches, stuffed. balljoinnts, stuffed. Now today ETC message lights up, wtf. Rang ford darra, to ask for help, was told we are to busy today, to many potential customers in the yard. What a joke. Shit sevice, shit customer relations, shit car ..
yes..mick….please check for rust in body too…better get rid of that lemon.
well…the people bought these lemons won’t have time to bore….right…..go back to the dealer and fixing these common faults forever.
Have been back to dealer and told them about these problems, they look at me and say oh, really after just handing over 400 dollars for a service.. maybe its just denmac ford in darra?
Jensea Says:
April 9th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
The reason I said your problem was not related to the recall was simpley the following statement from you
[I was going through a drive thru whn I put my foot on the brake at the window, it went to the floor and there was smoke everywhere from the brake fluid going all over the engine…..]
Putting brake fluid over the engine is physically impossible from the position of the drivers side hose to spray the motor. Sorry but thats just the plain facts. I would be more interested in the Lube mobile charges for the repair. At their pricing you would be far better served gtting yourself a credit card and getting someone who knows what they are doing to do the work.
yes…Mick…that’s why we need a lemon law to protect innocent customer like you.these dinosaurs got away with poor quality for so long.as soon as government introduced the law the better for innocent customers.
And Mick we also need an anti moron law for sic of bogan,to protect people from BS.
hahaha so true Phil…….