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		<title>By: Austin</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/26382/bigger-b-doubles-for-victorian-roads/#comment-125983</link>
		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 08:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

On the last point, absolutely people don&#039;t understand the concept of driving a heavy vehicle.

Just on the b-triple point. B-triple use is being greatly expanded in NSW under one of two efficiency plans I&#039;m aware of for the NSW heavy road transport industry, the other being quad bogey trailers.

It&#039;s important to note that B-triples are being considered in outback NSW to replace double road trains because of the increased stability of the b-coupling compared to the A-bogey coupling. Theoretically you get less chance of roll over during cornering (less roll in the trailer developing due to the sideways pull from the draw bar) and less trailer wander with a b-coupling because of the torsional stiffness.

Austin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>On the last point, absolutely people don&#8217;t understand the concept of driving a heavy vehicle.</p>
<p>Just on the b-triple point. B-triple use is being greatly expanded in NSW under one of two efficiency plans I&#8217;m aware of for the NSW heavy road transport industry, the other being quad bogey trailers.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to note that B-triples are being considered in outback NSW to replace double road trains because of the increased stability of the b-coupling compared to the A-bogey coupling. Theoretically you get less chance of roll over during cornering (less roll in the trailer developing due to the sideways pull from the draw bar) and less trailer wander with a b-coupling because of the torsional stiffness.</p>
<p>Austin</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/26382/bigger-b-doubles-for-victorian-roads/#comment-124000</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG
I have never read such a load of illinformed dribble ,obviously from a bunch of ,, oh my mate said ,,I had a bad time with a big truck,they&#039;re dangerous 

B triples are a great idea if it helps move freight in a more efficient &amp; safer manner , with education in all sectors of our roads system we can coexist in a safe and courteous manner , benifiting all of us. 
another option would be 2 trailer road trains coming in at 36.5 metres and 79 tonnes 

A vehicle that is more manouverable than a b double 

The middle lane is the best lane for a large truck to travel in because if there is a drama out front the driver of the truck has 2 escape routes , one to the right &amp; one to the left , kinda makes sence when ya think about it don&#039;t it . 
Bearing in mind the driver of a heavy vehicle is in charge of a large piece of machinery that has many blind spots 
( areas that are out of sight to the driver ) 
and only a short time to react to ever changing situations 
A truck driver may seem to be being a cowboy and a danger to other road users , but before you pass judgement think what&#039;s going on  on the other side of the truck ....     

in your blind spot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG<br />
I have never read such a load of illinformed dribble ,obviously from a bunch of ,, oh my mate said ,,I had a bad time with a big truck,they&#8217;re dangerous </p>
<p>B triples are a great idea if it helps move freight in a more efficient &amp; safer manner , with education in all sectors of our roads system we can coexist in a safe and courteous manner , benifiting all of us.<br />
another option would be 2 trailer road trains coming in at 36.5 metres and 79 tonnes </p>
<p>A vehicle that is more manouverable than a b double </p>
<p>The middle lane is the best lane for a large truck to travel in because if there is a drama out front the driver of the truck has 2 escape routes , one to the right &amp; one to the left , kinda makes sence when ya think about it don&#8217;t it .<br />
Bearing in mind the driver of a heavy vehicle is in charge of a large piece of machinery that has many blind spots<br />
( areas that are out of sight to the driver )<br />
and only a short time to react to ever changing situations<br />
A truck driver may seem to be being a cowboy and a danger to other road users , but before you pass judgement think what&#8217;s going on  on the other side of the truck &#8230;.     </p>
<p>in your blind spot</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/26382/bigger-b-doubles-for-victorian-roads/#comment-123467</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^^
should have said one load or 2 (not 20)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^^<br />
should have said one load or 2 (not 20)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the other negative comments already listed are very much relevant, but the biggest thing i see this as is a quick fix.

Why dont they look at improving the actual freight routes rather than just reducing the number of physical vehicles.

benefits by reducing the number of axels on the road by lessening the amount of trucks will be wiped out by the bigger trucks needing more axels.

In QLD they are working on improving freight routes in readyness for future traffic predictions.

so what happens in 20yrs time when they say the numbers would have doubled????
we are stuffed then because then the roads would be full of these bigger road trains rather than full of smaller trucks. no real gains to be had from this scheme if you ask me.
what about the job losses from eliminating trucks????

moving 20 tonne on the roads still causes the same amount of damage to roads whether it is in one load or 20.

actually it would possibly cause more damage in one load as it delivers a more concentrated stress (depending on how they set the trailers up)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the other negative comments already listed are very much relevant, but the biggest thing i see this as is a quick fix.</p>
<p>Why dont they look at improving the actual freight routes rather than just reducing the number of physical vehicles.</p>
<p>benefits by reducing the number of axels on the road by lessening the amount of trucks will be wiped out by the bigger trucks needing more axels.</p>
<p>In QLD they are working on improving freight routes in readyness for future traffic predictions.</p>
<p>so what happens in 20yrs time when they say the numbers would have doubled????<br />
we are stuffed then because then the roads would be full of these bigger road trains rather than full of smaller trucks. no real gains to be had from this scheme if you ask me.<br />
what about the job losses from eliminating trucks????</p>
<p>moving 20 tonne on the roads still causes the same amount of damage to roads whether it is in one load or 20.</p>
<p>actually it would possibly cause more damage in one load as it delivers a more concentrated stress (depending on how they set the trailers up)</p>
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		<title>By: realcars</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/26382/bigger-b-doubles-for-victorian-roads/#comment-123415</link>
		<dc:creator>realcars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>serious enough issues in transport industry without introducing longer rigs with larger loads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>serious enough issues in transport industry without introducing longer rigs with larger loads.</p>
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		<title>By: PROJET - L</title>
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		<dc:creator>PROJET - L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 04:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction I meant to say LANE whoops</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction I meant to say LANE whoops</p>
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		<title>By: PROJET - L</title>
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		<dc:creator>PROJET - L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 04:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now if they just stayed in the bloody left land with middle lane limited use, things would be ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now if they just stayed in the bloody left land with middle lane limited use, things would be ok.</p>
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		<title>By: upshift</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/26382/bigger-b-doubles-for-victorian-roads/#comment-123375</link>
		<dc:creator>upshift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 03:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story is incomplete,
To get 77.5 tonnes gross the trailers will have four axles and the last axle will have to steer. They will only operate on specified roads and are 4-5 meters longer than current B-Doubles (not 19metre general acess B-Doubles) and will have to run airbag suspension that is CLAIMED to be road friendly, it is NOT friendly to all pavements or infrastructure. Larger B-Doubles can operate nationally, can also be operated by a minority group of gazoo drivers also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story is incomplete,<br />
To get 77.5 tonnes gross the trailers will have four axles and the last axle will have to steer. They will only operate on specified roads and are 4-5 meters longer than current B-Doubles (not 19metre general acess B-Doubles) and will have to run airbag suspension that is CLAIMED to be road friendly, it is NOT friendly to all pavements or infrastructure. Larger B-Doubles can operate nationally, can also be operated by a minority group of gazoo drivers also.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 02:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Transport operators feed a politicians stash. Nothing more than snouts in the trough, again.

Great; more speed crazed truckies systematically turning our roads to dust and requiring massive room for any response in bigger trucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Transport operators feed a politicians stash. Nothing more than snouts in the trough, again.</p>
<p>Great; more speed crazed truckies systematically turning our roads to dust and requiring massive room for any response in bigger trucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Acfsambo</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/26382/bigger-b-doubles-for-victorian-roads/#comment-123363</link>
		<dc:creator>Acfsambo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason why we dont have a train transport system, is because the truck companies refuse to transport the materials to  build the railway which wll lower there business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason why we dont have a train transport system, is because the truck companies refuse to transport the materials to  build the railway which wll lower there business.</p>
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