2008 Ford Falcon Front Spy Shots
May 8, 2007 by Alborz Fallah
Ford’s keen on drip-feeding punters with new Falcon – Orion – information.
Our keen-eyed spy photographer has informed us that these latest photos were taken within earshot of Ford’s Victorian proving grounds.
The side profile photos suggest that the awkward entry trait manifested due to the AU roof-line/doors is gone thanks to a squared rear door line, similar to that of the VE Commodore. Looking at the photos, the white plate covering the rear door suggests a new design is in place that Ford wants to keep secret until release.
An insider has suggested that adequate testing space is available far from fence lines and prying eyes – and err…lenses.
Putting two and two together; it’s quite obvious that Ford is eager to get these photos out on the internet, revealing small snippets of the vehicle.
CarAdvice thinks that Ford has increased the overall wheelbase of 2829mm (long wheel base Falcons are 2921mm versus the new Commodore now at 2915mm) of the current BA/BF. Ford has probably used the extra dimension to move the whole cabin seating backwards for more rear interior room and ease of ingress with a longer door and less cutaway from the BA/BF’s falling roof turret line.
Although still prominently covered over the front and rear end, parts of the grille and lower bar are visible.
The final rear quarter window styling will be purely cosmetic. CarAdvice notes that having eliminated the BA/BF short coupe turret which so limits the interior space –especially with a straight six and automatic transmission up front intruding into available cabin space, bulking up the rear boot line has been necessary whilst keeping overall length probably the same as the current car. The high boot sill hides the more vertical rear door profile -but the spy shots still highlight a slopping rear window to give a coupe look in profile, and also keep boot space up to class leading volumes.
Only cosmetic changes are apparent in the spy shots – a conservative light cluster relative to the radical swept back Mondeo clusters suggests European influence in the design.
One thing’s for certain though. Ford is well on their way to releasing a new model and the general public – along with our stealth ‘tographer – are keeping their eyes open.
Ford has commented that the vehicle will be released some time next year (also stating that its release definitely won’t be this year). If Ford are telling the truth, a release for next year’s Melbourne International Motor Show is likely.
If you come across any spy shots, or take spy shots yourself, contact CarAdvice, we’re always interested in new photos.
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Hi brad,
what do you mean when you say you sell ford products?? are you a car salesman?? well i must come and see you because you say 6sp is available on entire range now, no one else is able to sell me a 6sp xr6 ute can you? utes miss out again hey?? to name a few non lpg you cant get it on actually XL variants,XLS,XR6n/a ute,RTV,and even wagon i think.
is this correct?
Brad look in the Ford V.I.S system (if you do work for Ford)some of the new specs (engine,transmission,option codes)for the new falcon and Territory are there.
5 speed autos on standard models,6 speed on upper models,Fairmont Ghia Turbo, XLS ute turbo,only XR8 gets a V8, Its all there.
Andrew,
Your right the ZF is not avaialable across the range, but it doesnt need to be, not many people buying a XL or RTV would care if their ute had a 6 spd auto, especially when they cost more. It should be on the XR6 though but the vast majority of XR6 utes are manual anyway.
Now back to orion, for it to be a success the fleet models need to economical and have a good specs list. Even though there is plenty of oil around and there is no hint of a shortage somehow the oil companies are convincing people we’re running out so they can jack up prices whenever they feel like it, so XT (or G6 whatever they’re going to call it) and Futura need to have ZF 6 as standard along with a direct injection engine which gives better economy and more power. XR6, Fairmont & Ghia need a higher power 6 to make them special and Ford really need to put the turbo engine into the Ghia but maybe not as powerful as the XR6T. XR6T and XR8 just need to beef up the power cos their sales are not falling, they have actually risen as of late.
With the FPV’s they need to bring in the Alloy block for the V8 to save weight, and just looking in the GTP championship that made a lot of difference in the handling of those GTs and a GTHO must be released ‘cos im afraid this may be the last chance to do so.
for those of you who havent seen the latest news on the orion
http://www.caradvice.com.au/27...../#comments
basically i just hope that ford with its limited budget can honestly create a car better than the VE. now im a ford supporter and im not for one second saying the VE is a great car. but i think alot of us are forgetting how the first car of a series is, the EA was a dog, the AU was a dog, the VT was a dog, the VE is most likely gonna be a dog. its a common theme when a new platform is tried. so now i realise that for this time around have modified their EA92 platform to make the new orion this must have to cut down on the whole new platform issue however surely it must limit the creativity and potential of a completely new platform.
i have recently been talking to an ex emploee of ford australia and the base for any car or any version of a car is its prospective market. an AWD Twinturbo Typhoon would be a great car and im sure thered be a few to buy it but the main problem is that there just isnt a market for it, just like the GTHO or more disturbingly, the fairlane. if this car wasnt going to have export capabilities the fairlane wouldnt be in the linup for next year. its a harsh reality. so as it stands market acceptance its the main dictator in whether or not a model will even be flirted with. no market no car.
so gleno are you saying that big V8’s in this day and age have a bigger market than small turbo vehicles?
the biggest v8 market in aus (and possibly the world) would be the LS powered holdens and they are seriously dieing in this ass as people find better performance with small, more advanced and most importantly economical turbo cars. believe me i LOVE my V8’s too, but with all the other performance alternatives on offer in todays modern market people cant and wont look past japanese and german engineering.
ill be as bold as to say that a twin turbo’d halo car for FPV would seriously save ford australia elevate it to new heights.
i hope Sak Ryopponen (FPV managing director) is reading this!
uh no i dont remember saying that sam but what i did say is the a twinturbo AWD typhoon would be a kickass car dont get me wrong. the problem is and hear me out… is that and AWD Typhoon twinturbo would not sell the number of units it needs to in order for it to be a success. and yes i agree “small” turboed cars are the way the market is leaning however a 1.3 tonne 4 door saloon running a 6 cylinder engine is hardly a small car.
yeah, i hope you didnt think i was putting words into your mouth. to ensure the falcons survival im merely saying they have to do something a little bold and daring, especially to hold of the VE and aurion. plus i want to see a half decent australian turbo car haha
being that they have an 18 month handicap on VE and aurion that could be a good thing
i couldnt agree with you more mate, this 18 months on commodore and aurion is probably the best advantage ford could gain. and yes i also agree that ford need to do some soul searching in order to find the niche of this changing australian market.
To all that are rubishing the Ve over this heavily reskinned BF2 just wait untill you have seen this waste of time that they call Orion
The car is a reskinned falcon, that now use’s the door frame tec that everyone else has been useing for year’s they have moved all the door openings back so now u can get in the car without breaking your neck.
Ford will pleat that this is a whole new car but i have been with in 2 feet of it and i’m shocked at how much of the old car DNA it has,
I have close ups of it and i also have inside shots
With a 40million loss it looks like the yaris will kick its ass for sometime yet
spyman if you have all these pics you say you have why dont you show us and if the yaris will kick any cars ass it will be the commodore.
Spyman…holden Fan i Take it??? dont forget that holden has had major losses aswell for there ” Billon dollar Car” and most models only just meet the performace of the BFII Falcons, MY BA XR6 gives it to the new SV6s as it still has more turque the then VE 6… and my engine 4 years old… i personly think that the Ford 6s are the best 6s in the market, and they can only improve on this for the new falcon. You dont need to spend a Billon dollars on a Car to make a great car… as holden spent that much and it only better in some areas over the Current BA/BF Falcon, yes it has better handling and etc. but again our cars is 5-6 years old and theirs are new.
and if you look in the New Wheels Mag this month they Compare the GTS VS Typhoon, and the GTS is only 0.2sec faster… so i think when the New falcon Comes out the FPV vehicles will Become King of the Aussie Performance cars Again.
But saying ALL this People… No ONE WILL REALLY NOW WHAT THE NEW FALCON WILL HAVE INTO AND UNDER THE HOOD TILL IT IS RELEASED!!!
Sorry one more thing, the performace world isn’t all about the V8 anymore, and i am happy that ford has already taken the step in the BA/BF model with the Turbo 6, best of both worlds, you get a nice be roomy car with the performace and etc of a Turbo car, Which what every one is into these days.
And look, Toyota and Mistubishi are planing to follow this with the TMR 380.. if it gets Released that is and of cuase the TRD Aurion.
All Postive steps for Ford…
** One thing about the AU, i dont really think the problem of the Au was the Looks, it was the Engine (expect for the Last TS50- which went 0-100 in 5.8)
for all those who think that fitting AWD and even Twin turbo to this car will make it out perform the jap AWD cars must be ether 13years old or kidding themself.. for cornering and AWD systems its not just power, its weight, if you want an example look at the zonda VS the lambo.. LAMBO looses becouse its AWD and its to heavy,
my opinion is put the falcon on a diet if it drops 200kg that would be awsome, AWD and put some R&D into high comp I6T. or even twinscrew technology..
i look forward to the new falcon, hopfully its better then expected, my opinion is it will beat holdens in most area’s.
but im just as confident that toyota will remain ontop spec wise. toyota has much larger and deeper packets and they are willing to sink a whole lot into the market. i think we will see a few more high powered toyota’s soon, they are only just starting to release there “performance” lines and have got some of there old names back in development such as the supra and the TRD range.
but toyota also has there problems, most find toyota dull and boring, to ecomomical for there own good…
thus why they are conidering reviving performance in australia.
sure you all see differantly and have your own opinion, lol. but thats my megalong opinion lol
like i said, they need to make it a coupe. of course this will never happen (sometimes i like to dream) but would awesome if it did, and why not, holden revived the monaro. coupe would get rid of some of the weight and increase the cars dynamics.
problem is money needs to be spent in R&D and at the moment ford australia wont go near it, too scared of losing the falcon
Where did i get the figure of 0-100Km 5.3 for the typhoon is from this site…. in the article of Australia Sports car under 65k
the ranking was:
RX8
EVO iv
WRX sti
Nissan 350z
Typhoon
They stated that the typhoon was the fastest car in a straight line, the only thing that hurt it was the Fuel it uses up, so if this model Typoon does 0-100km in 5.3sec…. what would a new one with more power do???
In BFMK2, the 6 sp auto is available as an option across the petrol passenger range. It is NOT available on Wagons, or the standard utes. You can get the 6sp in turbo utes, and the XR8 ute. The Falcons that offer e-gas are the XT sedan & wagon, the Futura sedan & wagon, the Fairmont sedan & wagon and the XL, XLS, XR6 and RTV utes. Now I’m only a salesman, I haven’t been given anything on the Orion, nor do I have access to VIS, so its hard to comment on Orion.
well you may be able to expect a hydrogen powered turbo xr6. i have read ford are working with the melbourne uni and closely with the government on that one. money shouldnt be a problem on it either cause the government gives out pretty good grants to encourage those sort of developments.
look, ill gives uz all this imformation now, ford will always lead the way in there 6’s and holden will always lead the way in there v8’s, both companys will always average the same in design and looks and features. i dont think ford will release a std 6 that has more than 200kw, simply because there 190kw is already faster then toyota’s aurion, dont belive me, put the two on normal roads and run them together, i garanty u the ford will be faster,
i ran againts a vz sv6 190 alloytec with the 5 speed auto in my std ba falcon 182kw 4 speed auto (mind you with 19″ wheels), and yep the falcon left the commodore to ponder on why there just not good enough, and i no for a fact it was a fair drag becouse it was my mates vz, also ran a VE 190kw, still no go, and my ba has got alot more wear and tear to the engine,
so i think dont expect to many extra kw to the std 6, i believe ford will put out enough kw to there I6 turbo to once again go harder than the 6lt SS, but once again the v8 race holden will keep winning unless, ford brings in the new mustang engines which i doubt very much. but make a much bigger v8 maybe bring back the good old 5.8lt v8, what ever happned to that big baby, that would defently keep ford 8’s with holdens.
remeber its not all about kw. Torque and top end makes a big difference in power, which i just proved by blowing a vz and ve 190kw qith my 182. impressing hey, holden have done well with there 6.0lt, but there 3.6 is just piss weak…
but number 1 is fuel economy, mad those 4.0 drink so much juice…
Quote = look, ill gives uz all this imformation now, ford will always lead the way in there 6’s and holden will always lead the way in there v8’s, both companys will always average the same in design and looks and features. i dont think ford will release a std 6 that has more than 200kw, simply because there 190kw is already faster then toyota’s aurion, dont belive me, put the two on normal roads and run them together, i garanty u the ford will be faster,
No you are wrong, there is already video footage of the Aurion v Commodore v Falcon v 380… the Aurion is the fastest.
Anyway back onto AWD argument, they are not going to develop an AWD system… its time consuming and costly, Ford Australia have no chance for it. It would be nice as it would improve the V8 barges, but still smaller turboed cars weighing 400kg less will win everyday of the week, hell a FWD turboed car would win against an AWD Typhoon given such a massive weight difference.
what car is more fun too drive? a fwd buzz box or a rwd typhoon?
the evo is an amazing car even by international standards, but to me it lacks driver excitement in the end, not a car i’d own.
people love to mouth off on-paper figures and jargon, but in reality its a different story.
its how you feel the car through your hands, that truly matters…
it better have a staight six and a diff
MA_XT_04,
you seem to love your figures, maybe you should check your fuel consumption figures. they have the 4.0 falcon more efficient than the 3.6 comm.
also i think holden will get caught out with their v8’s their answer seems to be keep going bigger?? why not refine it first. i had heard of problems with the 5.7 and thats why they went shopping to see what else they could get. id like to see em stick with a motor first before you say its a better motor. how are they winning the race? on cubes? power to weight?
Paul,
i would tend to believe MA_XT_04 on the aurion race but first i must say i have not seen them up against each other in a fair test. aurion boasts 10 kw but the falcon gives it a licking with torque, weight isnt too much different. but the best thing the falcon has is the fact that it is basically a 5 year old car. so put a 2002 model toyota against it and that would be a fair test. or wait til early next year and run it with the new falcon and we will see who the real stand out is.
the point im trying to make is the aurion was released once the falcon stopped winning awards. thats right the falcon had enough good stuff in it to last 4 years before others caught up.
i will agree with your thoughts on an AWD falcon. i very much doubt it. it would be a waste of time, cost too much and wouldnt go any quicker (infact slower i reckon) From what i can see typhoon and evo and rex etc are pretty much the same in speed to the 100kmh. what i havent checked out though are the 60 to 120 figures etc though has anyone?? i reckon thats where the falcon would excell. and if you are talking circuit racing who stops and starts? and for merging into traffic who stops on the on ramp? and if they are used on roads give me a falcon anyday. do you wanna compare ride comfort on a falcon vs a short wheel base lancer with a hairdryer on it cause i know an XF falcon rides smoother than them
QUOTE = i would tend to believe MA_XT_04 on the aurion race but first i must say i have not seen them up against each other in a fair test. aurion boasts 10 kw but the falcon gives it a licking with torque, weight isnt too much different. but the best thing the falcon has is the fact that it is basically a 5 year old car. so put a 2002 model toyota against it and that would be a fair test. or wait til early next year and run it with the new falcon and we will see who the real stand out is.
the point im trying to make is the aurion was released once the falcon stopped winning awards. thats right the falcon had enough good stuff in it to last 4 years before others caught up.
Fair enough, but the Aurion does beat the current Falcon… there is a video circulating to this effect, although its only 10kw less (and more torque) it does weigh I believe 150kg more. The new Falcon will be a better comparison, but n e who the one thing Im sure we can agree on is the base model VE is poor and very slow then all competition!
Look I dont care what any one of you say but to me the falcon just looks plain ugly, and how dare they copy the great big wheel arches off commodore, and to that person who said holden copied audi in the wheel arch department,LOOK AGAIN! and you will find there is a signifcant diffrence. the only reason why they looked towards Audi and BMW was because they wanted to lift the quality and make it apeal more to the european market, as they wiil be going to import soon to, England, germany, italy and not mention other contanents, By the way fords a are generly slower to begin with and they will be even more slower now that holden has confirmed details on a new LS3 6.2L v8!
And dont go saying that holden is causing more problems by instaling a larger engien because they are currently developing a new hybride and dieasel engien for the new commodore.
And if you want to really know my opinion on the matter, and you dont like ford or holden go and purchas a new mazda 6 or wait for the 2008 model.
the holdeens and toyotas are both crap i drive a 2007 bf mk2 falcon with my work and it has better fuel economy then my bosses aurion and it flogs it 0-100 and 0-400m the next falcon will better the JAP-CRAP’s power and torque
j just a quick note, the falcon contrar to you belief actually doesnt have the flared gigantic retarded wheel arches. just thought id pick you up before you embarrased yourself.
i agree with a previous comment that holden need to stick with a v8 engine and refine it before placing a few more cubes in to increase the power. the yanks are synonomous with having huge engines that underperform in the power to displacement region. the new 6.2ltr v8 will kick any other v8s ass but only because of its bohemith size. a refined 5 litre v8 with the proper tuning and car underneath it will match a 6 litre holden anyday, just look at performance sedans out of europe.
and in saying that placing a 6 litre v8 in a holden is alright because theyre working on hybrid and diesel commodores is a load of shit. its like saying its okay to kick my brother because he gets a reward when im finished. i persoanlly rue the day when the good old performance high octane vehicle is replaced be it by a high performance diesel or electric. theres nothing like the burble of a good old engine.
and finally to relate this post slightly to the topic, the typhoon has the potiential to become the halo car for ford australia. but it all depends on the development, i cant see it happening in this round of models but come maybe 5 to 8 years from now depending on the large car sales segment they may have a crack at it. heres hoping
i tell you you what i would love to see the aurion in a fair test using same drivers etc cause there seems to be alot of people with conflicting evidence. my guess is they must be pretty much dead even. maybe aurion is quicker 0-60 and say once the falcon starts to wind out is when it has it. i dont know. anyhow it still wouldnt persuade me to buy one an (aurion).
J,
if holden wanted to lift quality why are they going for cheap korean cars etc? i think holden are more focused on image than quality. they would rather a car that looks posh and is ordinary than one that actually is good. also for starters holden doesnt make a v8 and they have only just begun making 6’s so the CV aint that big for them. they are bring over a yank motor. my guess is that (and you can quote me on it too) they will have big issues with overheating on the 6.2l. for starters they are not designed for our hot conditions and the grill of the commodore could not fit a radiator big enough in it to cool it effectively.
Gleno,
well done on that kicking my brother comment. honestly old mate is wound up about this massive v8 (i forgot to ask him about the fuel consumption figures too) and then jumps in to hybrid cars WHAT THE???
i would rather see ford throw a turbo on a refined 5.4l v8 that they have running 2 pound boost(there’s an idea for the GTP) than go running after holden with size and bulk. thats all it would take to whip this 6.2l no questions asked, and 2 pound aint much. i think some one mentioned the supercharged mustang motor. thats the right lines to go on, but it would be good to see it done with the only aussie built v8 being the one that they already use.
Gleno, you dont need to go to europe to prove your point. just look at the local v8 super cars 600 hp AT THE WHEELS TOO. its only a 5 litre
yeah andrew i kinda got off track with the hybrids howvever i completely agree if a engine can be refined it can do a more than capable job against a huge engine sunk into the front of a commodore, cooling problems aside
Oh yeah could someone please tell me what is so good about diesel. yeah better economy = fuel costs more,
less throttle response, less power, more torque but still doesnt make up for it and they already have a turbo to help out. and i thought diesel was a dirtier fuel?? so there goes environmental issues. i would love to see the gas falcon available in turbo or even a prototype done for a test. from what i understand there is no need to lower compression before you turbo a gas motor either.
Gleno,
i wasnt saying you got off track i was just adding to your comment in pointing out that J was interested i killing the world with massive v8’s and then wanted to talk fixing it with hybrids. diesel hybrid hey holden hhmmmmm come up something better than that too would ya.
if anyone is interested, i have found a photo of the falcon without the cladding over the rear window and C pillar. i cant see why they would clad it but for whatever reason they have. check it out: http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp.....&idi=1
ok Andrew the reason why holden are importing other cars from corea and foging them off as holdens is because, for starters it is cheaper, more profit, and the funny thing is that people are actually buying them. Holden used to import opel cars from europe but found it was to expensive and not enough where being sold, and may I remind you all that the Holden Commodore is Australias Number 1 selling car, which is made in Australia, so why wood holden want to over market other cars in there range besides the astra, which evry one likes, and if it is working for them to import cars from corea than fine go ahead.
And can I also remind use all that Ford has a funny habite of floging off mazda engiens and cars as fords, so if your going to pick on Holden you can go pick on ford as well because they are just as responsable!
dude, the difference between fords rebadging and holdens rebadging is that ford are mazda, holden is shitty korean krap, there is quite a substantial difference
you also spelt korea with a C
ok sam ill pick up where you left it. besides holden using cheap crap.
the reason people are actually buying these cars is because they are brain washed. most people dont know what they are buying but gees they look good on the ads. it is just marketing. i bet if you promoted them as daewoos they would sell about a quarter of what they are now because people know about daewoos past track record.
holden imports a heck of a lot more than ford too. yeah you can have your mazda tribute/ford escape, but like sam said it is a good product and people do know what it is because both are sold here they can see the similarities.
but after that where do you go?? no where. ford only does it to fill a gap in the market that is not really worth worrying about. do you see em market it like holden does to theirs.
also just because holden sells more doesnt mean it is a better product. holden runs a pretty fierce marketing campiagn and ill give them that much.
the other reason they display good figures is that they have a higher turn over of models than ford which means your holden is out of date in around 10 months. hence companies etc upgrade their lease hire etc
for eg. 1997 saw holden just release the VT and ford were wrapping up the EL since then ford has had 3 more models and holden has had VT, VX, VY, VZ, VE. yep 5. people upgrade when new model comes out. the other funny thing is that 1997 is when ford stopped winning the sales race on holden.
as a rule of thumb holden starts a new model at around the same time ford starts the 2nd series.
do you think they are taking a good look at previous models before they know what to change. i dont think so
oh yeah thanks Gleno for getting on to that photo
andrew, i can see where your coming form on this model turnover topic however one would have to assume with short turnover time and the ability to make more models in a given period they should have a better finalized product. should being the major operator. unfortunately the major problem i can see with this 8 year platform strategy is that by the 8th year whatever they have brought out is probably the best car of the platform, but is it fresh? is it new? no is the short answer. and i feel this is where ford are falling down a little. sure they have the best car they could achieve with the EA169 Platform but in reality theyve had the same looking car since 2002/3. with a faster model turnover you run the risk of overlooking flaws, but holding on to a shape or a look can work agaisnt you in sales.
Gleno,
im agreeing with what you say and that was i suppose the short of what i was trying to say.
here it goes again.
a big part of holdens sales success would be attributed to their quick turnover of models, and not due to it being the best car out there as most people seem to believe
Until I see clearer photo’s, it still looks as ugly as the AU and we all know where that went. High rear quarters look almost Commodore-ish. Don’t think I’d buy either.
well could some one finally believe me that most of this is not the new falcon. the 4th photo is different to the rest. different camo, different nose.
dead set ringer for a commodore. 4th photo matches more credible photos seen. other photos also show 2 cars on the test circuit (1 hiding behind trees)
Will ford ever recover from that crappy AU falcon NO
The orion looks like a AU S#it box
the orion will be a living disaster like the au
hey u last 2 tossers,
the Au falcon was still a better car than what holden had to offer. the AU would be considered a sales disaster for ford but not due to the vechile actually being a poor one. the Au brought many “firsts” to the car category also. dual airbags, abs, 16″ wheels (all standard) just to name a few and it also shit on holden for power so what are you guys going to do now? go get some facts? perhaps go fuck yourselves??
and thats right when ford had 16″ wheels as standard holden offered 15″ wheels as an optional mag wheels!! wow thats special.
dont forget the Au falcon ute was #1 sales leader for the whole 4 years it was in production.
WHAT IF ITS JUST A BF THAT THEIR USING AS A MULE FOR THEIR ENGINE AND DRIVELINE TESTING WITH BOLT ON BITS TO CONFUSE YOU ??
HOW CAN ANYONE SAY IT LOOKS LIKE AN AU !!! MORE LIKE A BF .
YOU GUYS AT HOLDEN MUST BE WORRIED IF YOU KEEP COMING BACK TO BAG SOMETHING YOU CANT SEE!!
i think the new falcon drive line can handle increaced power my ba xr6t has 600rwhp and it still has a stock drive line i think it would be great to see a 320+ gt and a 300+ typhoon from the new model and maybe even a 6L v8 for the fpv’s
I hope the diff can handle that power too.
hey guys. i just wanted to say to that “j” wanka that if holden had to come up with there own 6.2l engine they would be stuffed. the only reson theyve got it is because theyve got a chev under the bonnet. and so much for being the heart and sole of australain cars. they doint even make thier so called great v8 in australia it is all imported. ford has the only v8 plant in australia, and if ur the heart an sole of australain cars why are u tryin to sell ur cars over seas? il tell u why because peopel in australia dont want to buy ur pieces of shit. ow and i do believe lowndsy won the race in hidden valley today. sucked in kelly and skafe. GO THE MIGHTY FORD
I was just wondering why holden went to the 6.0ltr in the first place? i mean they did have a 300kw 5.7 there for a little while in the vx and the ve 6.0ltr has 307kw so did holden change because the gen3 was a shit box of an engine or because they needed the extra power to pull the ve because its heavier than the previous models or both?
adzaa, you hit the nail on the head. holden had to go shopping for a new V8 cause the 5.7 well as you put it was a shit box. they had a lot of problems with it drinking oil and piston slap etc. so thats why they put an ad in the wanted section of the paper to see who else had something they could use
Paul, firstly i’d like to say you sound like you work for street commodores. Oh the tyhpoons a nice car but with all wheel drive it will be to heavy. Who gives a shit, with a speculated 300Kws, maybe 610Nm and then transfered throw all four wheels, Buy Buy any HSV. Then when the new 5.8 and 6.2 ltr all alloy V8s come in (currently being built in North America-in CLEVELAND) the ford V8 will be in a different world to the HSV OHV 6.0 Ltr V8s. So, this arguement will only be resolved when it is closer to release date and when people get to drive them and make up there own mind about which car is really better.
2008=FORD 1/HOLDEN 0.