2008 Ford Falcon Front Spy Shots
8 May, 2007
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Ford’s keen on drip-feeding punters with new Falcon - Orion - information.
Our keen-eyed spy photographer has informed us that these latest photos were taken within earshot of Ford’s Victorian proving grounds.
The side profile photos suggest that the awkward entry trait manifested due to the AU roof-line/doors is gone thanks to a squared rear door line, similar to that of the VE Commodore. Looking at the photos, the white plate covering the rear door suggests a new design is in place that Ford wants to keep secret until release.
An insider has suggested that adequate testing space is available far from fence lines and prying eyes - and err…lenses.
Putting two and two together; it’s quite obvious that Ford is eager to get these photos out on the internet, revealing small snippets of the vehicle.
CarAdvice thinks that Ford has increased the overall wheelbase of 2829mm (long wheel base Falcons are 2921mm versus the new Commodore now at 2915mm) of the current BA/BF. Ford has probably used the extra dimension to move the whole cabin seating backwards for more rear interior room and ease of ingress with a longer door and less cutaway from the BA/BF’s falling roof turret line.
Although still prominently covered over the front and rear end, parts of the grille and lower bar are visible.
The final rear quarter window styling will be purely cosmetic. CarAdvice notes that having eliminated the BA/BF short coupe turret which so limits the interior space –especially with a straight six and automatic transmission up front intruding into available cabin space, bulking up the rear boot line has been necessary whilst keeping overall length probably the same as the current car. The high boot sill hides the more vertical rear door profile -but the spy shots still highlight a slopping rear window to give a coupe look in profile, and also keep boot space up to class leading volumes.
Only cosmetic changes are apparent in the spy shots – a conservative light cluster relative to the radical swept back Mondeo clusters suggests European influence in the design.
One thing’s for certain though. Ford is well on their way to releasing a new model and the general public - along with our stealth ‘tographer - are keeping their eyes open.
Ford has commented that the vehicle will be released some time next year (also stating that its release definitely won’t be this year). If Ford are telling the truth, a release for next year’s Melbourne International Motor Show is likely.
If you come across any spy shots, or take spy shots yourself, contact CarAdvice, we’re always interested in new photos.
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May 8th, 2007 at 9:59 am
BA upgrade with new doors:-)
Of more importance, how much more than 200kW will the std. 6 have?And how much better fuel economy
Also, a better injected LPG system would be nice [on the cards i would say]
Cheers
O/A
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May 8th, 2007 at 10:09 am
I dont even think the standard six will reach 200kW OttoAu?
But it will be interesting to see.
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May 8th, 2007 at 11:08 am
Hi A,
Keep the photos coming!!, i think Ford don’t care all that much, part of selling a new vehicle is to build up excitiment in the customers eyes, Holden did a superb job with the VE.
Yes, i believe more than 200kW+ is to be std. 6 output, as BigT have that with the Aurion, all through history Falcon always had the most output in a std. 6, its not that far off really, should not be that hard for them to reach the target.
The question is what sort of output will the much larger V8 be putting out, MILES behind the Chev V8 powered Commodore, who have a LS3 6.3 V8 around the corner…
Finally what of the Supercharged V8 for the GT, that engine has been approved and certified for use but never used?
Regards
O/A
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May 8th, 2007 at 11:29 am
i get the feeling ford wants some shots out but not tones.
beacause after a while the goons come and make sure ya move on.
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May 8th, 2007 at 11:32 am
Priorities for base model Orion:
1. sheet metal and interior re-do
2. fuel economy
3. fuel economy
4. fuel economy
5. 200kw to match market leader
Selling only 3000 - 4000 units a months IS NOT going to cut it anymore - the hard task is selling it.
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May 8th, 2007 at 12:06 pm
exactly ^
two of the best points. The level of rust in some of the BAs ive seen are, well, shocking to say the least. Same goes for interior
if i were ford i would be pushing the fuel economy hype to its full extent. yes, LPG would work wonders
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May 8th, 2007 at 12:28 pm
Ford Australia need the new falcon really badly,
with all the models in the range starting to age, the new falcon will be their biggest seller next year no doubt, but whether or not it can compete with the VE commodore is still undecided!
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May 8th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
The falcon inline 6 can pump out 275KW. This has been acchieved with a minimum of R&D time spent on the engine. you can do a simple search on xr6 atmo engine upgrade.
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May 8th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
if i was the ford marketing team id be focusing attention on how economical it is and its transmission. VE is rather fuel thirsty, and we all know what fuels like and where its going. i reckon it will beat it in spades, between a comparison last year with ve calais and BF futura, the VE barely came out on top, only that it offered a better ride quality and that the BF lacked boot space and esc as standard.
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May 8th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Well i’ll agree with mattcos on the priority list. They’ll be doing their best to make the fuel economy better than before. Maybe trying to break the 10L/100 barrier. But i’m told the engine has stayed mainly the same. And most likely no Diesel at launch.
Yes Alborz, I don’t expect to see 200kw in the base model either. Toyota really did score a double bonus with the Dual VVTi engine.
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May 8th, 2007 at 5:50 pm
Looks like the front has a bit of volvo headlighta, BF Falcon Grille and Focus bumper. Side looks bit like the Mitsu 380 (and maybe the stupid VE side vents) and back maybe like the current Fairlane(which is good).
Fox
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May 8th, 2007 at 8:28 pm
expect direct injection on the 6..
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May 8th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
Geez, from the front, and also the sides, it looks alot like the VE Commodore. Ford should not copy Holden and try to be a bit more radical.
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May 8th, 2007 at 10:42 pm
peter,peter,peter Holden got the ve headlights from the BA/BF how can you copy something Ford originally had and as for the side profile, dont see no dorkie cartoon wheel arches, but then again I could be wrong!
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May 8th, 2007 at 10:48 pm
Peter! Ford went radical with the AU Falcon, i bet they’d be scared to pull of a stunt like that again!
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May 9th, 2007 at 12:05 am
I agree John,
I think this new falcon will be bold, but not beautiful, not saying the AU was beautiful, but it was definitely radical!
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May 9th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
gavin,
Is Direct Injection a sure thing for the Orion?
if so there will be many benefits to this system.
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May 9th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Gavin,
Is Direct Injection a definate for orion? if so that will bring many benefits.
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May 9th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
I think a better lpg system for sure. that would mean a direct injected design. it has been proven that lpg can achieve greater economy and power than unleaded once it is injected efficiently. ever stepped from a 4.1 carby model to the first of the injected 4.0 models??
same theory! lpg probably aint that bad.just needs technology.
besides i think ford was a bit slow in running with the ball on lpg. they only just did an around australia promo with it and it came out in au11. still the only one offering it. I think they will run further with it this time.
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May 10th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
peter, you think ford has coppied holdens side design,we are all intelligent people here,dont you think ford would have had the design planed way before the commodore came out.most likely four or more years ago.
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May 10th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
Ford not copy VE?????. VE copied 76 other cars to get what they have .What did Holden design them selves that every one else can copy..
VE head lights look like an Audi for a start.
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May 10th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Looks like uncovered meat !!!!
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May 10th, 2007 at 9:00 pm
agree with lisa, its sickening how much holden have copied audi. Flared guards immediately scream audi. First time i saw the interior it reminded me of an e39 5 series Bmw. unbelievably and much to my surprise, one of the design engineers on the ve had the audacity to say that they had taken a lot of inspiration from “the late 90’s 5 series bmw and the audi marque” as quoted by wheels, of all magazines *rolls eyes*
anyway on topic, im hoping an exciting turbo I6 will make it into range again. a good succesor to the typhoon would be sweet, im sure the yanks would take to it as well
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May 10th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
I think it looks pretty decent.
Of course, the car has to have the 6 speed standard on all models, it’s a shame for Holden to offer the 4 speed on the VE, and the 6 speed is a hell of a unit.
200-220kw with a 6 speed auto - yes please!
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May 12th, 2007 at 7:29 am
Hey yamma…
Nizpro have pumped 1200+ HP from a ford 4.0L six
This thing looks big??? I hope its not!! I think the days of a HUGE family car are gone! People with families will buy territorys or MPV’s. Smaller fzamilies will buy a medium sized car, and there are not many large families any more!
they need to make it feel SMALLER, though it may not be, and YES fuel economy is the MOST important thing!
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May 16th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
What the? the new ford looks good? I am generally a ford guy but i hope that when the cover come of the production version it looks a damn sight better than it is know. It has the profile of a coathanger with tiny wheelbarrow sized wheel arches and a rather bulging roof line. ford cannot go down the line of making a cheap, crappy korean lookalike car.
What is the first thing a consumer looks at when buying a car? its image. if it looks like a turd on a stick no sale. ford needs a car that can be set apart from the pack whilst not going to far outside the design square.
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May 16th, 2007 at 5:50 pm
Direct INject LPG is a cert for the new Falcon - they have been in legal dipsute with the perons who designed it for a bit. The Original eGas actually came out on the EF Falcon, not AUII.
I run an aftermarket direct inject GAS system on my BA and perfoamnce is only a down a tad and fuel economy gernally 20% worse, but it only saves you big $$ in mai caital cities. having just traveleld round OZ, the prices for LPG are too high in relation to ULP.
Diesel - expect it in Territory first (Plus Direct INject LPG).
This is the most inportant Falcon in its history - could be the last truely Australian Falcon.
Im keen to see Ute options and would hope the Diesel makes it to the Ute before i buy a new one.
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May 16th, 2007 at 8:18 pm
Hey Ned interesting comments you had, to clarify when i said e-gas i meant dedicated e-gas now that never came out in ef did it?? it would be interesting to hear if your Ba you talk about is a dedicated model that has been converted/upgraded or a duel fuel?? cause i think there is a big difference between the 2 in terms of performance and economy.
interesting to hear that legal issues have delayed direct injection gas because i did hear prob in 2005 that it was due at the start of 2006. also i was surprised that the territory is not available in gas yet and im now guessing it is because they did not want to spoil it by putting the out dated technology on it in fear of ruining its already great reputation.
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May 17th, 2007 at 6:57 pm
looking good… i like so far…. i am hoping the base 6 will have 200Kw and the XR6 to have 225KW,and teh XR8 should have a 280-290Kw V8. i cant wait to see the next GT and Tyhoons and their power…. i hope the GT to have 320Kw and the Tpyhoon to have 290-300Kw turbo charged 6!! hell yea!! and that the 6 speed ZF auto standard in all Models!! and lets hope the power bump on the bonnet of the V8s stay, and lets SO holden that we dont need to spend 1 BILLION dollars to build a great car!!! once this Falcon is released every one will go….VE who??? expect for Wheels Magazine of Cause!!! LOL…
1 more wish for the new model… i want to see a GTHO…. 400KW? lets be honest if they can Put 400Kw V8(2008 GT500KR) in a mustang why not a Falcon??
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May 17th, 2007 at 7:30 pm
as much as i love v8s, i really hope they will emphasize more on the turbo 6 this time round. theres more of a market for it and seeing as it will be exported to the us i think they yanks would love it.
id love to see an awesome turbo I6 come out of aus that can take on the japanese 6’s
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May 17th, 2007 at 8:57 pm
Andrew, dedicated eGas was with EF - the engine even had a green rocker cover if memory serves me right. My BA was a standard petrol that was then converted to to dual fuel. The syste however is not the old induction type that Ford has used on eGas Falcs to date. The newer injected systems like trhe parnell one onmy Ute use less LPG and only lose small amts of pwr and torque compared to old systems.
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May 18th, 2007 at 10:06 am
I’m sure will put a 6 speed as standard in the new falcon but if you cant wait buy a new Aurion
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May 18th, 2007 at 12:42 pm
What about a AWD Typhoon??? 270KW+ AWD sedan… skyline who?? Rex who?? even thou the Typhoon is already faster then the Evo and the Rex, lets show the world what we can do with our inline 6 with a turbo!!! hell yea!!!
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May 18th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
^ MY THOUGHTS COMPLETELY!
i honestly think FPV should make a twin turbo I6 AWD to match the japs and germs. I seriously reckon australia could make a world beating car in the form of a turbo 6 if they really put their mind to it. i think they should base it off the new falcon but make it a coupe as well. sounds daring, given theyre budget but i guaratee it would pay off, especially if this thing is an export bound for other markets
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May 18th, 2007 at 6:40 pm
I think before Ford even think about making faster cars they should improve what they have first in regard to quality and their service.
BMW have made the best inline six in the world for years so they have a long way before they can beat that.
Their current drive line is very poor ! Husband so far from having increased the kws of his BA GT to an extra 30 kw {yee haa ,woopy doo} has had 1 diff and 2 gear boxes. Oh and is on its 3rd clutch . Wont even mention the rest that has been replaced. Our old 35 year old XA GT has a better drive line and when it was blown putting out 700 hp the twin plate,top loader and 9 inch didn’t play up once. Ford are too frightened of entering another horsepower war .They copped a lot from the Phase 4 days & the media crap that went on.
They buid to a budget remember and to offer the few that want to pay up to $90,000 for some extra Aussie horse power its not viable for them .I drove the Typhoon and agree its more of a gust of wind .Not to mention the auto was crap !!!!!!!!!!! Talk about lag! I felt I was driving an expensive taxi.
Hubby now looking at replacing the BA but with what ? Were looking at leasing something from the 70s XW or XY GT,their at lest going up in value and you can fix them on the side of the road.Not to good every day but hey it will more likely than not have less break downs.Looks like the M3 may have to be driven more as the every day car .
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May 18th, 2007 at 7:38 pm
correction, bmw have the best NA inline 6
(which i guess is effectively the best I6 in true sense)
id like to see fpv develop a force fed 6 that can compete on an international level, and it needs to handle well!
AWD or something like nissans attesa-ets system will do fine.
that, and fix up some sheet metal issues. the materials on the BA are atrocious. i wont even go through some of the rust problems my uncle has seen owning a dismantlers yard.
and lisa, dont they all have the ZF transmission now, i thought they were really good, but i think it was from BF models onwards, not in your husbands BA. And yes the typhoon, and xr6 even have lag probelms, mostly because they have a big garret gt35r turbo, and lower compression which wont help the turbo spool either. hence why i said they should make the leap to a twin turbo setup for theyre next model.
i have confidence in ford aus, i just hope the bastards can deliver. Put me in charge, ill make it good!
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May 18th, 2007 at 8:21 pm
An AWD large car would be nice… butt hardly ‘rex who’ and definetely hardly ‘evo who’. The new Evo does the 100 in 4.5seconds, that is faster than any local V8 on the market. Furthermore, they will rape any of these competitors around a track, even with AWD Id still have my money on a substantially lighter AWD (they weigh more being a V8 and an AWD system would add even more weight…reducing speed among all other things)… thats common sense.
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May 18th, 2007 at 8:29 pm
God your picky when it comes to the small things ,should have been more particular when it came to the inline 6 ha ?
Husband agrees with you on the new BF, and now I am arguing with the husband ! New box came out in the BA Mark 2 I think from memory. The point I was making was Ford have a long way to go before they even think about making them faster. Mate I don’t think anyone is running Ford anymore are they? Thought they sacked or got rid of everyone GOOD!!!
Dont think hubby would buy the first of anything Ford make again though,wait till they fix the problems with the first production run. Not unless YOUR running it SAM {trade marked}
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May 19th, 2007 at 10:38 pm
im 18 years old and well i have read some of your comments and what has been seid about fords latest car the ba-f is true. im an panel beater in WA and the amount of rust found in the later model fords is stupid i cant belive my eyes when you pull them apart you just dont even want to go ferther. but one of the werst things i have seen is the atempt of a wheel carrier in the xr8 and fpv utes next time you have the tub off have a look at the set up, what were they thinking?????.
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May 20th, 2007 at 2:28 pm
XR8=285kws+560Nm
XR6T=270kws+550Nm
XR6N/A=220Kws+420Nm
Oh Yeah, Buy Buy ss and sv6!!!Billion dollar babies weak link? The new falcon
GT=325Kws+620Nm
GT-p= same as GT
Typoon=310Kws+610Nm
GT-HO=400Kws+680Nm
HSV, i just want to humiliate one!!!, send one of these mofos over to top gear and they’ll all be saying “monaro? what f#$king monaro”
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May 20th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
I just want to say to Lisa, I sell the Ford products, and I am quite confident in saying that the ZF transmission was released in the BF. BA MK2 stuck with the 4 speed, however introduced the 6 speed manual to the XR6 Turbo, and XR8. It was BF MK2 that the 6sp was made available to the entire range, except E-Gas models. Now we haven’t been given any information about the Orion, apart from the fact that it is going to scare Holden. The Falcon now may be an old car, but in relation to the way the 2 cars (Commodore and Falcon) drive, I would buy a Falcon any day of the week. They’re quieter, smoother, and in the 6’s, go a hell of alot quicker than Holden, not to mention more comfortable.
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May 20th, 2007 at 5:41 pm
Brad I know Ford is a better product than Holden I agree totaly in saying that. But after the disasters we have had not only with the drive line in the car but radiators leaking,sunglass holder broke,has had 2 engines and the list goes on. I am saying if your hard on cars as far as driving them go FORD need to improve the whole package before even think about making them go faster. The service is disgusting !!!!! The amount of time the thing has been off the road each time we would not get a loaner car unless we jumped up and down and when we did it was a 10 grand AU ,GREAT you have a car we paid 70,000 for and we get an AU. Plus most 0f the time the car would come back with more faults than it went in with AND on one occassion when it went in for a gear box replacement the dicks forgot to FILL up the gear box with oil .Guess what happened then .Well not much gear changing went on I can tell on our way back from a long weekend.We were running out of dealers to take it too in the end. But it has now run out of warrenty and husband fixes it each time. Why worry about matching Holden try matching EURO or Japans standards.
There are a lot of choices out there now when it comes to buying a $70,000 grand car . I just hope FORD start to make a better product with the next range.
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May 20th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
QUOTE = XR8=285kws+560Nm
XR6T=270kws+550Nm
XR6N/A=220Kws+420Nm
Oh Yeah, Buy Buy ss and sv6!!!Billion dollar babies weak link? The new falcon
Ummm maybe Im wrong but the XR6T only has 245kw… not 270kw, and Im also not sure about your figures for the XR8. Eitherway the SS is quicker then both.
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May 20th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
Oh unless you are talking about the new Falcon… either way that is just speculating making those figures up
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May 21st, 2007 at 1:44 pm
hey paul… remember the tyhoon does 0-100km in 5.3 sec and thats just thru the Rear wheels and thats pretty good consider the size of the thing!!! oh yea and the EVO and Sti in australia only get to 0-100km 5.5sec in Autralia… i would think if the Typhoon Was AWD it would easily get to 0-100Km in 4.5sec… and as its a Inline 6 and not a Little 4 it would have great Top end Compare to the Rice Burners, AWD in a Turbo 6….not in a V8… if Ford wanted a powerful V8 i Quiet Shore they could borrow the 373KW V8 out of the shelby gt 500 which get 0-100 in about 4.5sec or get the New 400Kw V8 from the GT500KR!!!
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May 21st, 2007 at 5:29 pm
Chopstar87
i totally agrre with you but the typoon with the Zf and stock motor can do 0-100 in 4.98. Thats faster than the GTs. If only they could get rid of that damn lag.
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May 21st, 2007 at 5:49 pm
twin turbo is the answer to get rid of lag. that or a high compression engine, but that wont happen
refer to recent writeup on details leaked on the new ford
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May 21st, 2007 at 5:51 pm
I am with Paul !!Where are you guys getting your figures from ? I know the figures in Motor and Wheels are out but where are you getting yours from ? Dont knock ricers and not every thing is about cubes and torque. What about power to weight. Fords need to go on a serious diet. Maybe then they would go faster not throwing bigger hair dryers on them .
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May 21st, 2007 at 5:53 pm
Agree with Sam on the Turbos works great for BMW !!!!
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May 21st, 2007 at 7:25 pm
Chopstar teh Typhoon is a nice car but AWDs are often heavier, I wouldnt expect such a large decrease in 0-100km/h times, athlough the AWD would help get the mass of power from the V8 down early on its more for handling than anything else. And as said, the new Evo does the 100 in 4.5secs and is substantially lighter than any V8… its always going to win both in a straight line (with the new one) and around a track (as they always have)
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May 21st, 2007 at 7:39 pm
Hi brad,
what do you mean when you say you sell ford products?? are you a car salesman?? well i must come and see you because you say 6sp is available on entire range now, no one else is able to sell me a 6sp xr6 ute can you? utes miss out again hey?? to name a few non lpg you cant get it on actually XL variants,XLS,XR6n/a ute,RTV,and even wagon i think.
is this correct?
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May 22nd, 2007 at 1:04 pm
Brad look in the Ford V.I.S system (if you do work for Ford)some of the new specs (engine,transmission,option codes)for the new falcon and Territory are there.
5 speed autos on standard models,6 speed on upper models,Fairmont Ghia Turbo, XLS ute turbo,only XR8 gets a V8, Its all there.
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May 22nd, 2007 at 1:29 pm
Andrew,
Your right the ZF is not avaialable across the range, but it doesnt need to be, not many people buying a XL or RTV would care if their ute had a 6 spd auto, especially when they cost more. It should be on the XR6 though but the vast majority of XR6 utes are manual anyway.
Now back to orion, for it to be a success the fleet models need to economical and have a good specs list. Even though there is plenty of oil around and there is no hint of a shortage somehow the oil companies are convincing people we’re running out so they can jack up prices whenever they feel like it, so XT (or G6 whatever they’re going to call it) and Futura need to have ZF 6 as standard along with a direct injection engine which gives better economy and more power. XR6, Fairmont & Ghia need a higher power 6 to make them special and Ford really need to put the turbo engine into the Ghia but maybe not as powerful as the XR6T. XR6T and XR8 just need to beef up the power cos their sales are not falling, they have actually risen as of late.
With the FPV’s they need to bring in the Alloy block for the V8 to save weight, and just looking in the GTP championship that made a lot of difference in the handling of those GTs and a GTHO must be released ‘cos im afraid this may be the last chance to do so.
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May 22nd, 2007 at 1:57 pm
for those of you who havent seen the latest news on the orion
http://www.caradvice.com.au/27...../#comments
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May 22nd, 2007 at 10:32 pm
basically i just hope that ford with its limited budget can honestly create a car better than the VE. now im a ford supporter and im not for one second saying the VE is a great car. but i think alot of us are forgetting how the first car of a series is, the EA was a dog, the AU was a dog, the VT was a dog, the VE is most likely gonna be a dog. its a common theme when a new platform is tried. so now i realise that for this time around have modified their EA92 platform to make the new orion this must have to cut down on the whole new platform issue however surely it must limit the creativity and potential of a completely new platform.
i have recently been talking to an ex emploee of ford australia and the base for any car or any version of a car is its prospective market. an AWD Twinturbo Typhoon would be a great car and im sure thered be a few to buy it but the main problem is that there just isnt a market for it, just like the GTHO or more disturbingly, the fairlane. if this car wasnt going to have export capabilities the fairlane wouldnt be in the linup for next year. its a harsh reality. so as it stands market acceptance its the main dictator in whether or not a model will even be flirted with. no market no car.
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May 22nd, 2007 at 10:54 pm
so gleno are you saying that big V8’s in this day and age have a bigger market than small turbo vehicles?
the biggest v8 market in aus (and possibly the world) would be the LS powered holdens and they are seriously dieing in this ass as people find better performance with small, more advanced and most importantly economical turbo cars. believe me i LOVE my V8’s too, but with all the other performance alternatives on offer in todays modern market people cant and wont look past japanese and german engineering.
ill be as bold as to say that a twin turbo’d halo car for FPV would seriously save ford australia elevate it to new heights.
i hope Sak Ryopponen (FPV managing director) is reading this!
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May 22nd, 2007 at 11:08 pm
uh no i dont remember saying that sam but what i did say is the a twinturbo AWD typhoon would be a kickass car dont get me wrong. the problem is and hear me out… is that and AWD Typhoon twinturbo would not sell the number of units it needs to in order for it to be a success. and yes i agree “small” turboed cars are the way the market is leaning however a 1.3 tonne 4 door saloon running a 6 cylinder engine is hardly a small car.
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May 22nd, 2007 at 11:53 pm
yeah, i hope you didnt think i was putting words into your mouth. to ensure the falcons survival im merely saying they have to do something a little bold and daring, especially to hold of the VE and aurion. plus i want to see a half decent australian turbo car haha
being that they have an 18 month handicap on VE and aurion that could be a good thing
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May 23rd, 2007 at 12:07 am
i couldnt agree with you more mate, this 18 months on commodore and aurion is probably the best advantage ford could gain. and yes i also agree that ford need to do some soul searching in order to find the niche of this changing australian market.
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May 23rd, 2007 at 11:43 am
To all that are rubishing the Ve over this heavily reskinned BF2 just wait untill you have seen this waste of time that they call Orion
The car is a reskinned falcon, that now use’s the door frame tec that everyone else has been useing for year’s they have moved all the door openings back so now u can get in the car without breaking your neck.
Ford will pleat that this is a whole new car but i have been with in 2 feet of it and i’m shocked at how much of the old car DNA it has,
I have close ups of it and i also have inside shots
With a 40million loss it looks like the yaris will kick its ass for sometime yet
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May 23rd, 2007 at 6:37 pm
spyman if you have all these pics you say you have why dont you show us and if the yaris will kick any cars ass it will be the commodore.
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May 24th, 2007 at 10:31 am
Spyman…holden Fan i Take it??? dont forget that holden has had major losses aswell for there ” Billon dollar Car” and most models only just meet the performace of the BFII Falcons, MY BA XR6 gives it to the new SV6s as it still has more turque the then VE 6… and my engine 4 years old… i personly think that the Ford 6s are the best 6s in the market, and they can only improve on this for the new falcon. You dont need to spend a Billon dollars on a Car to make a great car… as holden spent that much and it only better in some areas over the Current BA/BF Falcon, yes it has better handling and etc. but again our cars is 5-6 years old and theirs are new.
and if you look in the New Wheels Mag this month they Compare the GTS VS Typhoon, and the GTS is only 0.2sec faster… so i think when the New falcon Comes out the FPV vehicles will Become King of the Aussie Performance cars Again.
But saying ALL this People… No ONE WILL REALLY NOW WHAT THE NEW FALCON WILL HAVE INTO AND UNDER THE HOOD TILL IT IS RELEASED!!!
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May 24th, 2007 at 10:37 am
Sorry one more thing, the performace world isn’t all about the V8 anymore, and i am happy that ford has already taken the step in the BA/BF model with the Turbo 6, best of both worlds, you get a nice be roomy car with the performace and etc of a Turbo car, Which what every one is into these days.
And look, Toyota and Mistubishi are planing to follow this with the TMR 380.. if it gets Released that is and of cuase the TRD Aurion.
All Postive steps for Ford…
** One thing about the AU, i dont really think the problem of the Au was the Looks, it was the Engine (expect for the Last TS50- which went 0-100 in 5.8)
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May 25th, 2007 at 1:06 am
for all those who think that fitting AWD and even Twin turbo to this car will make it out perform the jap AWD cars must be ether 13years old or kidding themself.. for cornering and AWD systems its not just power, its weight, if you want an example look at the zonda VS the lambo.. LAMBO looses becouse its AWD and its to heavy,
my opinion is put the falcon on a diet if it drops 200kg that would be awsome, AWD and put some R&D into high comp I6T. or even twinscrew technology..
i look forward to the new falcon, hopfully its better then expected, my opinion is it will beat holdens in most area’s.
but im just as confident that toyota will remain ontop spec wise. toyota has much larger and deeper packets and they are willing to sink a whole lot into the market. i think we will see a few more high powered toyota’s soon, they are only just starting to release there “performance” lines and have got some of there old names back in development such as the supra and the TRD range.
but toyota also has there problems, most find toyota dull and boring, to ecomomical for there own good…
thus why they are conidering reviving performance in australia.
sure you all see differantly and have your own opinion, lol. but thats my megalong opinion lol
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May 25th, 2007 at 3:33 am
like i said, they need to make it a coupe. of course this will never happen (sometimes i like to dream) but would awesome if it did, and why not, holden revived the monaro. coupe would get rid of some of the weight and increase the cars dynamics.
problem is money needs to be spent in R&D and at the moment ford australia wont go near it, too scared of losing the falcon
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May 25th, 2007 at 8:31 am
Where did i get the figure of 0-100Km 5.3 for the typhoon is from this site…. in the article of Australia Sports car under 65k
the ranking was:
RX8
EVO iv
WRX sti
Nissan 350z
Typhoon
They stated that the typhoon was the fastest car in a straight line, the only thing that hurt it was the Fuel it uses up, so if this model Typoon does 0-100km in 5.3sec…. what would a new one with more power do???
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May 27th, 2007 at 11:26 am
In BFMK2, the 6 sp auto is available as an option across the petrol passenger range. It is NOT available on Wagons, or the standard utes. You can get the 6sp in turbo utes, and the XR8 ute. The Falcons that offer e-gas are the XT sedan & wagon, the Futura sedan & wagon, the Fairmont sedan & wagon and the XL, XLS, XR6 and RTV utes. Now I’m only a salesman, I haven’t been given anything on the Orion, nor do I have access to VIS, so its hard to comment on Orion.
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May 27th, 2007 at 11:35 am
well you may be able to expect a hydrogen powered turbo xr6. i have read ford are working with the melbourne uni and closely with the government on that one. money shouldnt be a problem on it either cause the government gives out pretty good grants to encourage those sort of developments.
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May 28th, 2007 at 1:53 am
look, ill gives uz all this imformation now, ford will always lead the way in there 6’s and holden will always lead the way in there v8’s, both companys will always average the same in design and looks and features. i dont think ford will release a std 6 that has more than 200kw, simply because there 190kw is already faster then toyota’s aurion, dont belive me, put the two on normal roads and run them together, i garanty u the ford will be faster,
i ran againts a vz sv6 190 alloytec with the 5 speed auto in my std ba falcon 182kw 4 speed auto (mind you with 19″ wheels), and yep the falcon left the commodore to ponder on why there just not good enough, and i no for a fact it was a fair drag becouse it was my mates vz, also ran a VE 190kw, still no go, and my ba has got alot more wear and tear to the engine,
so i think dont expect to many extra kw to the std 6, i believe ford will put out enough kw to there I6 turbo to once again go harder than the 6lt SS, but once again the v8 race holden will keep winning unless, ford brings in the new mustang engines which i doubt very much. but make a much bigger v8 maybe bring back the good old 5.8lt v8, what ever happned to that big baby, that would defently keep ford 8’s with holdens.
remeber its not all about kw. Torque and top end makes a big difference in power, which i just proved by blowing a vz and ve 190kw qith my 182. impressing hey, holden have done well with there 6.0lt, but there 3.6 is just piss weak…
but number 1 is fuel economy, mad those 4.0 drink so much juice…
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May 28th, 2007 at 10:06 am
Quote = look, ill gives uz all this imformation now, ford will always lead the way in there 6’s and holden will always lead the way in there v8’s, both companys will always average the same in design and looks and features. i dont think ford will release a std 6 that has more than 200kw, simply because there 190kw is already faster then toyota’s aurion, dont belive me, put the two on normal roads and run them together, i garanty u the ford will be faster,
No you are wrong, there is already video footage of the Aurion v Commodore v Falcon v 380… the Aurion is the fastest.
Anyway back onto AWD argument, they are not going to develop an AWD system… its time consuming and costly, Ford Australia have no chance for it. It would be nice as it would improve the V8 barges, but still smaller turboed cars weighing 400kg less will win everyday of the week, hell a FWD turboed car would win against an AWD Typhoon given such a massive weight difference.
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May 28th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
what car is more fun too drive? a fwd buzz box or a rwd typhoon?
the evo is an amazing car even by international standards, but to me it lacks driver excitement in the end, not a car i’d own.
people love to mouth off on-paper figures and jargon, but in reality its a different story.
its how you feel the car through your hands, that truly matters…
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May 28th, 2007 at 1:06 pm
it better have a staight six and a diff
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May 28th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
MA_XT_04,
you seem to love your figures, maybe you should check your fuel consumption figures. they have the 4.0 falcon more efficient than the 3.6 comm.
also i think holden will get caught out with their v8’s their answer seems to be keep going bigger?? why not refine it first. i had heard of problems with the 5.7 and thats why they went shopping to see what else they could get. id like to see em stick with a motor first before you say its a better motor. how are they winning the race? on cubes? power to weight?
Paul,
i would tend to believe MA_XT_04 on the aurion race but first i must say i have not seen them up against each other in a fair test. aurion boasts 10 kw but the falcon gives it a licking with torque, weight isnt too much different. but the best thing the falcon has is the fact that it is basically a 5 year old car. so put a 2002 model toyota against it and that would be a fair test. or wait til early next year and run it with the new falcon and we will see who the real stand out is.
the point im trying to make is the aurion was released once the falcon stopped winning awards. thats right the falcon had enough good stuff in it to last 4 years before others caught up.
i will agree with your thoughts on an AWD falcon. i very much doubt it. it would be a waste of time, cost too much and wouldnt go any quicker (infact slower i reckon) From what i can see typhoon and evo and rex etc are pretty much the same in speed to the 100kmh. what i havent checked out though are the 60 to 120 figures etc though has anyone?? i reckon thats where the falcon would excell. and if you are talking circuit racing who stops and starts? and for merging into traffic who stops on the on ramp? and if they are used on roads give me a falcon anyday. do you wanna compare ride comfort on a falcon vs a short wheel base lancer with a hairdryer on it cause i know an XF falcon rides smoother than them
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May 28th, 2007 at 6:30 pm
QUOTE = i would tend to believe MA_XT_04 on the aurion race but first i must say i have not seen them up against each other in a fair test. aurion boasts 10 kw but the falcon gives it a licking with torque, weight isnt too much different. but the best thing the falcon has is the fact that it is basically a 5 year old car. so put a 2002 model toyota against it and that would be a fair test. or wait til early next year and run it with the new falcon and we will see who the real stand out is.
the point im trying to make is the aurion was released once the falcon stopped winning awards. thats right the falcon had enough good stuff in it to last 4 years before others caught up.
Fair enough, but the Aurion does beat the current Falcon… there is a video circulating to this effect, although its only 10kw less (and more torque) it does weigh I believe 150kg more. The new Falcon will be a better comparison, but n e who the one thing Im sure we can agree on is the base model VE is poor and very slow then all competition!
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May 28th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
Look I dont care what any one of you say but to me the falcon just looks plain ugly, and how dare they copy the great big wheel arches off commodore, and to that person who said holden copied audi in the wheel arch department,LOOK AGAIN! and you will find there is a signifcant diffrence. the only reason why they looked towards Audi and BMW was because they wanted to lift the quality and make it apeal more to the european market, as they wiil be going to import soon to, England, germany, italy and not mention other contanents, By the way fords a are generly slower to begin with and they will be even more slower now that holden has confirmed details on a new LS3 6.2L v8!
And dont go saying that holden is causing more problems by instaling a larger engien because they are currently developing a new hybride and dieasel engien for the new commodore.
And if you want to really know my opinion on the matter, and you dont like ford or holden go and purchas a new mazda 6 or wait for the 2008 model.
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May 28th, 2007 at 8:40 pm
the holdeens and toyotas are both crap i drive a 2007 bf mk2 falcon with my work and it has better fuel economy then my bosses aurion and it flogs it 0-100 and 0-400m the next falcon will better the JAP-CRAP’s power and torque
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May 28th, 2007 at 10:27 pm
j just a quick note, the falcon contrar to you belief actually doesnt have the flared gigantic retarded wheel arches. just thought id pick you up before you embarrased yourself.
i agree with a previous comment that holden need to stick with a v8 engine and refine it before placing a few more cubes in to increase the power. the yanks are synonomous with having huge engines that underperform in the power to displacement region. the new 6.2ltr v8 will kick any other v8s ass but only because of its bohemith size. a refined 5 litre v8 with the proper tuning and car underneath it will match a 6 litre holden anyday, just look at performance sedans out of europe.
and in saying that placing a 6 litre v8 in a holden is alright because theyre working on hybrid and diesel commodores is a load of shit. its like saying its okay to kick my brother because he gets a reward when im finished. i persoanlly rue the day when the good old performance high octane vehicle is replaced be it by a high performance diesel or electric. theres nothing like the burble of a good old engine.
and finally to relate this post slightly to the topic, the typhoon has the potiential to become the halo car for ford australia. but it all depends on the development, i cant see it happening in this round of models but come maybe 5 to 8 years from now depending on the large car sales segment they may have a crack at it. heres hoping
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May 29th, 2007 at 6:32 pm
i tell you you what i would love to see the aurion in a fair test using same drivers etc cause there seems to be alot of people with conflicting evidence. my guess is they must be pretty much dead even. maybe aurion is quicker 0-60 and say once the falcon starts to wind out is when it has it. i dont know. anyhow it still wouldnt persuade me to buy one an (aurion).
J,
if holden wanted to lift quality why are they going for cheap korean cars etc? i think holden are more focused on image than quality. they would rather a car that looks posh and is ordinary than one that actually is good. also for starters holden doesnt make a v8 and they have only just begun making 6’s so the CV aint that big for them. they are bring over a yank motor. my guess is that (and you can quote me on it too) they will have big issues with overheating on the 6.2l. for starters they are not designed for our hot conditions and the grill of the commodore could not fit a radiator big enough in it to cool it effectively.
Gleno,
well done on that kicking my brother comment. honestly old mate is wound up about this massive v8 (i forgot to ask him about the fuel consumption figures too) and then jumps in to hybrid cars WHAT THE???
i would rather see ford throw a turbo on a refined 5.4l v8 that they have running 2 pound boost(there’s an idea for the GTP) than go running after holden with size and bulk. thats all it would take to whip this 6.2l no questions asked, and 2 pound aint much. i think some one mentioned the supercharged mustang motor. thats the right lines to go on, but it would be good to see it done with the only aussie built v8 being the one that they already use.
Gleno, you dont need to go to europe to prove your point. just look at the local v8 super cars 600 hp AT THE WHEELS TOO. its only a 5 litre
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May 29th, 2007 at 6:37 pm
yeah andrew i kinda got off track with the hybrids howvever i completely agree if a engine can be refined it can do a more than capable job against a huge engine sunk into the front of a commodore, cooling problems aside
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May 29th, 2007 at 6:38 pm
Oh yeah could someone please tell me what is so good about diesel. yeah better economy = fuel costs more,
less throttle response, less power, more torque but still doesnt make up for it and they already have a turbo to help out. and i thought diesel was a dirtier fuel?? so there goes environmental issues. i would love to see the gas falcon available in turbo or even a prototype done for a test. from what i understand there is no need to lower compression before you turbo a gas motor either.
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May 29th, 2007 at 6:56 pm
Gleno,
i wasnt saying you got off track i was just adding to your comment in pointing out that J was interested i killing the world with massive v8’s and then wanted to talk fixing it with hybrids. diesel hybrid hey holden hhmmmmm come up something better than that too would ya.
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June 2nd, 2007 at 11:53 am
if anyone is interested, i have found a photo of the falcon without the cladding over the rear window and C pillar. i cant see why they would clad it but for whatever reason they have. check it out: http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp.....&idi=1
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June 3rd, 2007 at 2:21 pm
ok Andrew the reason why holden are importing other cars from corea and foging them off as holdens is because, for starters it is cheaper, more profit, and the funny thing is that people are actually buying them. Holden used to import opel cars from europe but found it was to expensive and not enough where being sold, and may I remind you all that the Holden Commodore is Australias Number 1 selling car, which is made in Australia, so why wood holden want to over market other cars in there range besides the astra, which evry one likes, and if it is working for them to import cars from corea than fine go ahead.
And can I also remind use all that Ford has a funny habite of floging off mazda engiens and cars as fords, so if your going to pick on Holden you can go pick on ford as well because they are just as responsable!
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June 3rd, 2007 at 4:14 pm
dude, the difference between fords rebadging and holdens rebadging is that ford are mazda, holden is shitty korean krap, there is quite a substantial difference
you also spelt korea with a C
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June 4th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
ok sam ill pick up where you left it. besides holden using cheap crap.
the reason people are actually buying these cars is because they are brain washed. most people dont know what they are buying but gees they look good on the ads. it is just marketing. i bet if you promoted them as daewoos they would sell about a quarter of what they are now because people know about daewoos past track record.
holden imports a heck of a lot more than ford too. yeah you can have your mazda tribute/ford escape, but like sam said it is a good product and people do know what it is because both are sold here they can see the similarities.
but after that where do you go?? no where. ford only does it to fill a gap in the market that is not really worth worrying about. do you see em market it like holden does to theirs.
also just because holden sells more doesnt mean it is a better product. holden runs a pretty fierce marketing campiagn and ill give them that much.
the other reason they display good figures is that they have a higher turn over of models than ford which means your holden is out of date in around 10 months. hence companies etc upgrade their lease hire etc
for eg. 1997 saw holden just release the VT and ford were wrapping up the EL since then ford has had 3 more models and holden has had VT, VX, VY, VZ, VE. yep 5. people upgrade when new model comes out. the other funny thing is that 1997 is when ford stopped winning the sales race on holden.
as a rule of thumb holden starts a new model at around the same time ford starts the 2nd series.
do you think they are taking a good look at previous models before they know what to change. i dont think so
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June 4th, 2007 at 6:42 pm
oh yeah thanks Gleno for getting on to that photo
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June 5th, 2007 at 12:25 am
andrew, i can see where your coming form on this model turnover topic however one would have to assume with short turnover time and the ability to make more models in a given period they should have a better finalized product. should being the major operator. unfortunately the major problem i can see with this 8 year platform strategy is that by the 8th year whatever they have brought out is probably the best car of the platform, but is it fresh? is it new? no is the short answer. and i feel this is where ford are falling down a little. sure they have the best car they could achieve with the EA169 Platform but in reality theyve had the same looking car since 2002/3. with a faster model turnover you run the risk of overlooking flaws, but holding on to a shape or a look can work agaisnt you in sales.
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June 5th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
Gleno,
im agreeing with what you say and that was i suppose the short of what i was trying to say.
here it goes again.
a big part of holdens sales success would be attributed to their quick turnover of models, and not due to it being the best car out there as most people seem to believe
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June 7th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Until I see clearer photo’s, it still looks as ugly as the AU and we all know where that went. High rear quarters look almost Commodore-ish. Don’t think I’d buy either.
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June 9th, 2007 at 10:51 pm
well could some one finally believe me that most of this is not the new falcon. the 4th photo is different to the rest. different camo, different nose.
dead set ringer for a commodore. 4th photo matches more credible photos seen. other photos also show 2 cars on the test circuit (1 hiding behind trees)
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June 13th, 2007 at 7:04 am
Will ford ever recover from that crappy AU falcon NO
The orion looks like a AU S#it box
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June 13th, 2007 at 7:05 am
the orion will be a living disaster like the au
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June 13th, 2007 at 6:22 pm
hey u last 2 tossers,
the Au falcon was still a better car than what holden had to offer. the AU would be considered a sales disaster for ford but not due to the vechile actually being a poor one. the Au brought many “firsts” to the car category also. dual airbags, abs, 16″ wheels (all standard) just to name a few and it also shit on holden for power so what are you guys going to do now? go get some facts? perhaps go fuck yourselves??
and thats right when ford had 16″ wheels as standard holden offered 15″ wheels as an optional mag wheels!! wow thats special.
dont forget the Au falcon ute was #1 sales leader for the whole 4 years it was in production.
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June 13th, 2007 at 7:08 pm
WHAT IF ITS JUST A BF THAT THEIR USING AS A MULE FOR THEIR ENGINE AND DRIVELINE TESTING WITH BOLT ON BITS TO CONFUSE YOU ??
HOW CAN ANYONE SAY IT LOOKS LIKE AN AU !!! MORE LIKE A BF .
YOU GUYS AT HOLDEN MUST BE WORRIED IF YOU KEEP COMING BACK TO BAG SOMETHING YOU CANT SEE!!
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June 16th, 2007 at 1:06 pm
i think the new falcon drive line can handle increaced power my ba xr6t has 600rwhp and it still has a stock drive line i think it would be great to see a 320+ gt and a 300+ typhoon from the new model and maybe even a 6L v8 for the fpv’s
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June 16th, 2007 at 11:32 pm
I hope the diff can handle that power too.
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June 24th, 2007 at 9:56 pm
hey guys. i just wanted to say to that “j” wanka that if holden had to come up with there own 6.2l engine they would be stuffed. the only reson theyve got it is because theyve got a chev under the bonnet. and so much for being the heart and sole of australain cars. they doint even make thier so called great v8 in australia it is all imported. ford has the only v8 plant in australia, and if ur the heart an sole of australain cars why are u tryin to sell ur cars over seas? il tell u why because peopel in australia dont want to buy ur pieces of shit. ow and i do believe lowndsy won the race in hidden valley today. sucked in kelly and skafe. GO THE MIGHTY FORD
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June 25th, 2007 at 12:54 pm
I was just wondering why holden went to the 6.0ltr in the first place? i mean they did have a 300kw 5.7 there for a little while in the vx and the ve 6.0ltr has 307kw so did holden change because the gen3 was a shit box of an engine or because they needed the extra power to pull the ve because its heavier than the previous models or both?
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June 25th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
adzaa, you hit the nail on the head. holden had to go shopping for a new V8 cause the 5.7 well as you put it was a shit box. they had a lot of problems with it drinking oil and piston slap etc. so thats why they put an ad in the wanted section of the paper to see who else had something they could use
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June 27th, 2007 at 6:21 pm
Paul, firstly i’d like to say you sound like you work for street commodores. Oh the tyhpoons a nice car but with all wheel drive it will be to heavy. Who gives a shit, with a speculated 300Kws, maybe 610Nm and then transfered throw all four wheels, Buy Buy any HSV. Then when the new 5.8 and 6.2 ltr all alloy V8s come in (currently being built in North America-in CLEVELAND) the ford V8 will be in a different world to the HSV OHV 6.0 Ltr V8s. So, this arguement will only be resolved when it is closer to release date and when people get to drive them and make up there own mind about which car is really better.
2008=FORD 1/HOLDEN 0.
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June 27th, 2007 at 7:50 pm
my opinion is taht ford shouldnt change thier headlights or the bonnet it makes them look like beasts and thier kings of the road.
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July 1st, 2007 at 5:27 pm
I have noticed “j” has’nt said to much lately, bit stumped are we? got no bullshit to tell us?
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July 1st, 2007 at 8:59 pm
I know this is a little
of the subject but mr.holden
tell me why holden copied ford’s
9″ inch diff in the v8supercars?
if you look up the specs of the
the v8supercars it state’s on the ford
side “ford 9′ diff” on the holden side
is says “9-inch diff” this is because holden
copied ford and just put there pattern on
it because “hOLDENS” one was crap.
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July 1st, 2007 at 11:27 pm
Adzaa,
it doesnt stop at ford diff’s either
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July 2nd, 2007 at 2:44 pm
FPV should take the V8 from the Mustang GT500 and put it in a new model……..GT-R? maybe….well thats what I think. Anyway whatever Ford/FPV comes up with IT WILL BE BETTER THAN THE COMMODORE.
A FPV coupe/convertible with a 310 kw engine would be nice.
Oh yeah the FPV Territory should have a 280 kw engine.
THATS WHAT I THINK
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July 8th, 2007 at 12:45 am
I really hope they up the power i will be really disipointed if they didnt.
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July 10th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
yeah i recon they will up the power of the new models. they would have to so that they can still compete. but things they gotta consider are taht holdens bring out a new model basicly every year. and now they got this engine with 380KW is it? (thats not even thier own) i bet u any money they will put that car out into the production line next year. so ford has to consider bringin out a power of about 350kw inmy opinion to stay compedative
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July 10th, 2007 at 8:35 pm
i sorta agree ash,
ford have to have something with similar kw to what holden has just to keep the simple people happy. by that i mean people who rate cars solely on their kw.
lets not forget the top spec HSV will set you back over $100K now too
but in saying that i hope ford dont chase holden in upping the cubes. holden is just taking the easy way out in doing that. and the shallow minded holden followers think cubes means a better V8 too.
ford should stay a little different like they have with their unbeatable 6cyl’s
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July 12th, 2007 at 7:17 pm
yeah but the hart and soul of australain peformance cars is the v8, yeah we have proven we can build a better 6 than holden or any other brand. so now we need to consentrate on makin the v8’s more powerful and have better features and even better quality than we already do. and show who owns the roads. who needs 1 billion dollars to build a heap of shit car like holden have? not us if the ford team put thier heads together and work hard enough they can show holden who owns the road. and its not them and never will be. but yeah i agree its not always teh power but its one of the main issues to look at.
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July 12th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
Anyone got the latest edition of Top Gear Mag?
In it it has their Top 100 Fastest Cars that make them feel …..ALIVE. Well sorry no VE in it,hahaha.But there is Mad Maxs XB Gt Coupe {with the fake 671 if you remember}Came in at NO 4 .Australias best car cult films had FORDS in them, Running on Empty & Mad Max
Number 1 I found the most interesting as hubby and I are about to hire one to drive from San Fran to LA end of the month. Hope he doesn’t come back and want to buy one after {Its a Herz Shelby Stang}. But Jeremy’s moto on it was “DONT BE GENTLE IT’S A RENTAL “…….Lol I don’t think it will get an easy time.Will be an interesting thrash !!
On a different note “Holden Rules” I asked on a different post does any one know how many patents Holden filed for the VE, Audi filed 9,621 patents on the A6 . Damo seemed to think Holden would be infringemnt of that many design rights on the VE . Lol …. You any idea…??
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July 12th, 2007 at 8:51 pm
Its official,Unique cars have the first Phase 3 for sale at $1000.000 . Bet its gone already !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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July 12th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
ah but does that beat the Phase 4 sale price yet? i cant remember what i last heard 1 of those changed hands for. but it was somewhere near $1M
can some one remind me
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July 12th, 2007 at 9:59 pm
Didn’t know one had changed hands,I thought the dentist had offers over 2 million on the Calypso Green one!
3 Brambles Red Ones I think and 1 Calypso Green, thats it!!
For more info on the phase 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si1dSF0VN4s
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July 18th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
anyways poepel anymore fucked up holden fans with anythin to say?
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July 19th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
Holdens are the most uncomfortable piece of shit i have ever driven, Their V6 goes like dog shit and for all you Holden fans i dont know how you an like driving a shopping cart around. Ford will always be better in reliability and the whole package.
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August 3rd, 2007 at 5:17 pm
Richie said
May 8 2007 @ 10:42 pm
peter,peter,peter Holden got the ve headlights from the BA/BF how can you copy something Ford originally had and as for the side profile, dont see no dorkie cartoon wheel arches, but then again I could be wrong!
Um Richie,
If the VE copied the BA Falcon, then the Falcon has copied the Toyota Corolla of 2 generations back and the Last model Hyundai Elantra which both had those headlights before The BA. Also BMW have never stayed away from round headlights and cars in the 60’s and 70’s were dominated by round headlights. The copying part would come in the vehicles profile and not the way headlights look.
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August 3rd, 2007 at 5:28 pm
Dean said
May 10 2007 @ 11:15 pm
I think it looks pretty decent.
Of course, the car has to have the 6 speed standard on all models, it’s a shame for Holden to offer the 4 speed on the VE, and the 6 speed is a hell of a unit.
200-220kw with a 6 speed auto - yes please
Holden will have the 6 speed auto ready for VE early to mid next year with series 2 update.
Holden have a far better product than Ford do. Numbers in this case sales proves it. VE back at number 1 in July where it belongs.
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September 23rd, 2007 at 12:31 pm
michael you are a fag
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September 23rd, 2007 at 12:38 pm
I have to admit it. holdens are the best. all my friends are ford fans. i love holden and orion sucks ass
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September 23rd, 2007 at 1:47 pm
Holdens are the best… hmm so Korean Epica, Viva, Captiva and Barina are all the best? The only thing Holden seems to be good at is paying off media instiutions to attempt to brainwash people into believing their POS’ are half decent. Not sure if anyone watches it but the new channel nine program “Test Drive” would have to be one of the poorest attempts at a motoring show. Apart from their very obvious bias towards Holden… they are obviously on the payroll, glorifying the Holden Epica, test driving the fugly VE Commodore ute and the presenter introducing and concluding the show in front of the Holden blimp ffs… it also does a poor job of actuall reviewing cars, I dont think Ive heard one negative comment towards a car even though the various vehicles they have tested have for example only offered a 4 speed transmission or no stability control or limited airbags etc. Todays episode just about summed up how inept the presenters are, with the “best feature” of the Chrysler 300C being its speedo which goes to 300km/h. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight….
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September 23rd, 2007 at 4:22 pm
“fordhater” why do you hate fords, i’m not telling you to hate holdens and love fords but what have they done to you?
And Michael how come the orion “sucks arse” it has not come out yet?
John just because Holden out sells fords does not mean its a better car. The reason for that is the BF Falcon looks almost the same as the BA when the VE is all new and Holden spent alot on advertising it and a tiny bit cheaper then the Falcon.
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October 1st, 2007 at 4:47 pm
Hey Me. forget about idiots like “fordhater”, “Michael”, “John” and the rest. Anyone who says “it sux” without even seeing what it really looks like just because it’s a Ford is obviously a 12 y/o who who has been brainwashed by his Holden loving daddy to hate Ford on principle.
I can appreciate the advances made in the VE (not the base models, 4-sp auto, crappy V6? That is backwards). I don’t slag off VE just because it’s Holden. Only children have such a one-sided view.
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October 1st, 2007 at 4:57 pm
Thats right, I am a Ford fan but I try not to disrespect Holden just because i go for ford. It’s just dumb little 15 year old kids that egg me on abit and make me go off.
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October 1st, 2007 at 5:21 pm
QUOTING: Anyone who says “it sux” without even seeing what it really looks like just because it’s a Ford is obviously a 12 y/o who who has been brainwashed by his Holden loving daddy to hate Ford on principle.
VERY WELL SAID WATTO, SON’S AND DAUGHTER’S AROUND AUSTRALIA ARE DEPRIVED OF CHOICE BECAUSE OF ONE EYED HAND-ME-DOWN HOLDENWOOS FROM PARENTS SAYING THEY ARE THE BEST CARS IN THE WORLD… WHAT BULLSH*T
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October 1st, 2007 at 5:28 pm
There is 1 Ford fan to 5 Holdrolet fans in the country all because of there fu-king dumb Holden loving daddys.
You hit the nail right in the head watto_cobra, good work!
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November 24th, 2007 at 9:25 am
But what you dont understand….a Toyota can be 206kW or 240kW … the real secret is the TORQUE and the Fords inline six has it………….. lets say , speaking from the EF , EL ,AU engines….they were de-tuned from some 210kW/420Nm to 157/357 , speaking of a BA 182/380 and 190kW/383Nm, they were de-tuned from 220kW and 435-440Nm. Lets be real here dudes……you just dont get it….Even an old EAII MPFI keeps up with a AURION TRD, and totally eats a Magna and a stock 204kW AURION…..its a rear wheel drive for God sakes….even an old Non Australian Holden cars such as COMMODORE that has nothing to do with Australia or was ever designed here with 147kW beats a 204kW Aurion and 175kW magna….and not to mention an old 5Litre VN/VP totally killing a 240kW Aurion …. you idiots….
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November 24th, 2007 at 9:31 am
HOLDEN IS NOT EVEN AUSTRALIAN … ITS JUST A BADGE , AND AS FAR AS THE REST OF THE WORLD IS CONCERNED IT DOESNT EVEN EXIST………….. WHAT WE DONT KNOW HERE IS THAT HOLDEN IS JUST ONE MARKETING SCAM , A LIE BRAIN WASHING PEOPLE AND THE UNEDUCATED MIDDLE CLASS OF IDIOTS WHO FOLLOW THE TV PROPAGANDA AND V8 SUPERCARS CRAP LIKE FLIES ON THE SHIT…………………… HOLDEN AND NONE OF THEIR CARS WERE NEVER EVER DESIGNED HERE ON OUR SHORES IN AUSTRALIA…………ALL THE WORK IS DONE IN USA,EUROPE BY OPEL, CHEV , VAUXHALL , BUICK AND PONTIAC……….NONE OF HOLDEN CARS WERE EVER DESIGNED IN AUSTRALIA…..WHILE FORD FALCON WAS , CAPRI WAS , MONDEO WAS , FESTIVA WAS , LASER WAS!!!! DUH!!!! YOU IDIOTS!!!…………….WHILE GEMINI , CAMIRA , BARINA , VECTRA , ASTRA , RODEO , EPICA , CAPTIVA , VIVA , COMMODORE , ZAFIRA , STATESMAN, FRONTERA ……..THEY ARE ALL OPEL YOU DUMB ASSES!!!! NONE OF THEM ARE HOLDEN ……………..WHILE FORD IS FORD EVERYWHERE AROUND THE WORLD ,,,,, GM HIDESN THEIR NAMES BRAIN WASHES PEOPLE AND MAKES THEM THINK THAT ITS THEIR NATIONAL CAR , BUT IN FACT BEFORE THE HOLDEN EVEN EXISTED … 70% OF AUSTRALIA DROVE JUST ONE BRAND AND THAT WAS FORD …YES JUST ONE NAME FORD 70%……….YOU ALL HAVE NO CLUE HERE
DAVE’S CAR
FAIRLANE G8
332RWKW , 936NM , 6 SPEED ZF.
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November 24th, 2007 at 9:37 am
HOLDEN = HOLES , OIL LEAKS , DENTS , ENGINE NOISE……. THEY ARE JUST NOT AS RELIABLE AS FORDS!!!
A TYICAL 4LITRE INLINE SIX CAN DO OVER ONE MILLION KS…….HOW ABOUT A BUICK 3.8 OR A 3.6 CRAP , OR A 5LITRE OR A 5.7 OR 6 …..HOW MUCH CAN THEY DO? NOT EVEN 400000KS………WHAT A SHAME!!!!
NOT TO MENTION THAT A CANADIAN BUILD SPECIFICALLY MODDED TRITON 5.4LITRE 3V USED IN G220 AND G8 AND V8 BA/BF FALCONS HAS A MASSIVE 400NM AT JUST 1000RPM , VS HOLDENS VE 6LITRE OF JUST 250NM AT 1000RPM …………..
SIMPLY PROVES THAT FORD TECHNOLOGY IS BETTER……
ALL HOLDEN CARS ARE DESIGNED TO RUN ON PUPL , RON98……..RUN THEM ON RON91 LIKE ALL FORDS ARE DESIGNED TO RUN ON ….. AND YOU LOSE POWER!!!
A VE SS HAS 248KW WHEN YOU USE RON91 ON IT………WHILE XR8 BOSS260 HAS 286KW WHEN YOU USE RON98
AND OVER 538NM OF TORQUE………..WHILE VE SS ONLY 492…… A DROP OF 38NM.
HOLDEN IS FALSY ADVERTISING THEIR POWER FIGURES ….. AND NAIVE AND THE NARROW MINDED SCUM FOLLOWS THEM WITH OUT REALISING THAT ITS ALL NOISE AND NO MOVEMENT.
I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT A STOCK BA WITH 300000KMS ON IT ON GAS , 156KW FOLLOWS AND PLAYS WITH A 225KW GENIII SS 6 SPEED MANUAL…….
ITS A SHAME YOU PUSHROD PUSHERS AND IDIOTS!!!!!
DUMB ASSES!!!!!
FORD ALL THE WAY!!!
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November 24th, 2007 at 9:47 am
Remember how i said…….. a stock old box , EAII beats a brand new 195kW VE SV6 , thats 139kW vs 195kW.
Another thing…………whats the use having a car when you can never reach its peak power???? 195kW at 6500rpm, yet it cuts out at 6000rpm … DUH!!!! Faggots
and i find it hard to believe that an old 147kW piece of crap keeps up and in most cases can beat the 195kW SV6….
and that an old garden variety 155kW magna….can eat a 195kW………
and not to mention that a 3Litre Avalon can play too with a 3.6Litre SV6 195kW VE……
ITS A SHAME!!!!! A TOTAL SHAME!!!
I remember when i bought my G8 12 months ago……. and a cunt came up next to me in his shitty little crappadore SV6…..
all i had to do was give a Ford not even 50% of a throttle squeeze……..and i allready bet his crappy little shithole 195kW by 3 car lenghts till i disappeared at 180km/h while he wasnt even in my rear view mirror……
STUPID HOLDEN IDIOTS … THERE IS A CULTURE OUT THERE THAT MAKES ME PUKE…
THEY ALL THINK THAT THEY ARE THE BEST “drivers” idiots on the road!!!
IGNORE THE V8 SUPER CARS… PUT ON A STOCK V6 COMMODORE AGAINS A STOCK 6 CYLINDER FALCON AND WE’LL SEE WHOS THE WINNE