But with the last 5 years of high demand for cars, the autos who mainly focused on fast/power cars and not prioritising in fuel efficient cars are now hurting… because ppl are looking at fuel prices just like in the 1970s oil crisis!! E.g. GM/Holden, Ford, etc. all in recent years increased their product line in bigger engines!! yes there are more fuel efficient then say a car of same power 10 years ago… but why are demand for small cars increasing?? Mazda and Honda have increased their local share in the auto industry mainly due to investment in the compact, small and medium segments… and then you see holden and ford still investing in multi-million into large cars!! where they could have been invested in small-medium cars…

This just proves that old habits are hard to change, and the ones that can change (for the sake of change) will be better off in the long term, even though short term may be painful.

Oh well… this is my observation with hindsight on this issue… i’m sure we all can see the light now… but what will the future hold after we ride this current storm!! What about the cost of global pollution!! The effects of the 20th century and industralisation (negative parts) are still liggering… hmm. Where are the fresh new ideas for the future!??

Toyota outsells Holden – has a reputation for producing rugged, reliable, dependable and durable vehicles that Holden does not share and the names Landcruiser and Corolla have been recognised on Australian shores for a longer period then any current Holden name including Commodore. Infact, the Falcon has been selling in Australia longer then Commodore so how is Holden anymore Oz – i ponder the same question.

IT IS NOT.

Who become successful and gained a robust reputation for thier outstanding contributions to one of Australia’S most iconic undertakings – The Snowy Mountain Scheme… ‘TOYOTA’ NOT HOLDEN.

And, lets travel to ‘REAL AUSTRALIA’ were most of our agricultural, horticultural, farms, mining, and heavy Industry’s can be located of which are the largest contributors to our successful and booming economy. What vehicles are considerably and most diversly chosen to satisfy the hard, rugged nature in this field…. TOYOTA’S NOT HOLDENS.

Farmers, Tradies, the resource sector and Heavy Industries ALL choose predominately ‘TOYOTAS’ NOT HOLDENS becuase they are by far the most capable workhorses of all. And, how many people would have been conceived in the back of a Cruiser.

I suppose you didn’t cast your narrow mind wide enough to consider ALL OF THIS. Besides, Toyota do more for our local economy in modern times then any other automotive company and todays dollars feed my family not far away yesteryears. Get over yourself dickhead and move on. Isn’t a 280ZX a Nissan hence Japanese… !!

And before i finish… who is the only one returning profit, hiring and not firing and has the largest export programme which not only helps secures local employment but a further booost to our automotive economy… ‘TOYOTA’ NOT HOLDEN.

The 380 that you have purchased will be a far better car then any Commodore will ever be. Mitsubishi is actually making good cars and the 380 is a damn fine example. I would buy a 380 any day before a Commodore as i too share some horrible experiances with poor grade, under-engineered, dismal quality controlled cars from Holden. The Toyota Aurion is also a damn fine car.

280ZX – Holden is not Australian but a 100% owned subsidary of GM therefore is American. So, go on and piss off back to America and drive over there or go to Korea and drive a Holden if you love them so much. Better still, get yourself tangled in a 2 star crash rated Holden.

Take time, research and identify for yourself.

Toyota Australia is the only current local automotive manufactuer returning profit. And also the only automotive company that has not decreased production and retrenched personnel within the last few years. Toyota i believe is actually recruiting within thier engineering dept. Holden just recently retrenched and eased production until a later date to be announced.

The Camry shares most of it’s components with the current Camry not the last. I do appreciate your input and find your reading good how ever.

Although they might not place a high weightong of vehcile dynmaics, its still tested and even then cars like the Aurion get favourable reviews while Wheels dont reflect such opinion. The wheels owned by Holden argument is old and everyone knows the truth!

And Nicholas, you make some good points… but you have ago at wheels but your first post was not far off brochure material for the 380 ;)

Wheels and Motor test their cars against what drives the best, so therefore the Commodore and Falcon are praised highly. Other publishers such as Drive and RACV, have other sets of critera, that don’t focus around driveablity. Haven’t you noticed with some of the crap cars they highly flavour?

Wheels has never stated they were happy about Holden switching to Koreans rather than top-grade Euros. Publishers can’t say that everything about a car is absolute crap, they have to be good points about it. The Barina is cheap and that’s the only real good thing about it and for people really low on cash, it’s better than nothing, plus you don’t buy a car, to hope to crash it.

damo, u fucking initiated this whole argument by running your mouth off. that shows a weakness of immaturity and lack of self worth. your critical nature shows that you were not really loved and indeed shunned as a child. i have better things to do than start internet arguments wherever possible. i merely state facts, not opinions, some of which are debatable. whoever said im always right, whoever said your always right. if you want to take the leap to PERSONALLY critisize me, like i said, say it to my face because I nor noone appreciates a little E-wang trying to fight on the internet to garner some kind of respect. Personally, i couldnt give a shit for boring family sedans anyway