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	<title>Comments on: VW Golf scores five-star EuroNCAP rating</title>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/25819/2009-vw-golf-scores-five-star-euroncap-rating/comment-page-1/#comment-122425</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cupid, who said that? I don&#039;t think that anybody has said that it shouldn&#039;t be spent, and that ultimately it isn&#039;t a good thing. Reckless said it was a shame that it is neccessary, that&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cupid, who said that? I don&#8217;t think that anybody has said that it shouldn&#8217;t be spent, and that ultimately it isn&#8217;t a good thing. Reckless said it was a shame that it is neccessary, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Cupid Stunt</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/25819/2009-vw-golf-scores-five-star-euroncap-rating/comment-page-1/#comment-122358</link>
		<dc:creator>Cupid Stunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeeze - Can&#039;t believe folk here even think that their cars should not have quite so much resource input against pedestrian injury protection. Guess they need to educate themselves of the true meaning of the word &quot;Accident&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeeze &#8211; Can&#8217;t believe folk here even think that their cars should not have quite so much resource input against pedestrian injury protection. Guess they need to educate themselves of the true meaning of the word &#8220;Accident&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/25819/2009-vw-golf-scores-five-star-euroncap-rating/comment-page-1/#comment-122351</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bret and Reckless....the drivers you want to AVOID when you are driving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bret and Reckless&#8230;.the drivers you want to AVOID when you are driving.</p>
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		<title>By: TasM</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/25819/2009-vw-golf-scores-five-star-euroncap-rating/comment-page-1/#comment-122344</link>
		<dc:creator>TasM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little of topic, but I am considering a new golf and was wondering if VW are going to release a GT TDI in the near future or is it the comfortline version I&#039;ll have to look at...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little of topic, but I am considering a new golf and was wondering if VW are going to release a GT TDI in the near future or is it the comfortline version I&#8217;ll have to look at&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bret, I never never disagreed that pedestrians need to take more responsibility. I agree with that. I just happend to agree with Hal too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bret, I never never disagreed that pedestrians need to take more responsibility. I agree with that. I just happend to agree with Hal too.</p>
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		<title>By: holstein hore ).( ).(</title>
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		<dc:creator>holstein hore ).( ).(</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So right brets about sa ,i drive in the city a fair bit and boy o boy what the hell are traffic lights for , they just ignore them , bloody walkers .

When iam a pedestrian i tread carefully because not all drivers are alert ,and certainly a lot of pedstrians believe its their god given right to walk blatantly in front of on coming cars , quite carelessly .

Well they might just end up with god .

Good on you VW  another top car , that might spare a dumb walker from death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So right brets about sa ,i drive in the city a fair bit and boy o boy what the hell are traffic lights for , they just ignore them , bloody walkers .</p>
<p>When iam a pedestrian i tread carefully because not all drivers are alert ,and certainly a lot of pedstrians believe its their god given right to walk blatantly in front of on coming cars , quite carelessly .</p>
<p>Well they might just end up with god .</p>
<p>Good on you VW  another top car , that might spare a dumb walker from death.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon (and others) nobody has said anything about improving pedestrian safety of cars not being a good thing.

All I said was that at some point pedestrians need to take responsibility for road safety too.
It IS the subject of a current road safety campaign in SA. The authorities do agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon (and others) nobody has said anything about improving pedestrian safety of cars not being a good thing.</p>
<p>All I said was that at some point pedestrians need to take responsibility for road safety too.<br />
It IS the subject of a current road safety campaign in SA. The authorities do agree.</p>
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		<title>By: realcars</title>
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		<dc:creator>realcars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they can be made safer for pedestrians it has to be a good think whether it saves a child or a careless adult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they can be made safer for pedestrians it has to be a good think whether it saves a child or a careless adult.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/25819/2009-vw-golf-scores-five-star-euroncap-rating/comment-page-1/#comment-122243</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hal is right - increased pedestrian safety in the design of cars is a good thing. We are all pedestrians at some point.  Anything which reduces the likelyhood of a pedestrian being killed or seriously injured by a car is welcome. How can anyone complain about such improvements? It&#039;s an intellectually incoherent position. 
Oh Damn - I just answered my own question!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hal is right &#8211; increased pedestrian safety in the design of cars is a good thing. We are all pedestrians at some point.  Anything which reduces the likelyhood of a pedestrian being killed or seriously injured by a car is welcome. How can anyone complain about such improvements? It&#8217;s an intellectually incoherent position.<br />
Oh Damn &#8211; I just answered my own question!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The R32 replacement R20 is looking more exciting than ever!!!
Bring it on VW.
4Motion Direct Injection 2.0L T DSG will be a wolf in se&gt;&lt;y clothing!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The R32 replacement R20 is looking more exciting than ever!!!<br />
Bring it on VW.<br />
4Motion Direct Injection 2.0L T DSG will be a wolf in se&gt;&lt;y clothing!!!</p>
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		<title>By: RoFlmaTiC</title>
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		<dc:creator>RoFlmaTiC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with HAL.

If manufacturers have the ability to make their cars safer for pedestrians, why not let them? If one particular manufacturer wants to spend more money making their cars safer for pedestrians, should such spending not be rewarded with recognition that their car is more safe from an overall viewpoint than another manufacturer? It&#039;s not like car companies HAVE to make their vehicles pedestrian safe, but it does encourage them to.

I would have thought that pedestrian safety also translates to less deadly crashes with other vehicles? I have nothing to support that than intuition though. If the car is designed to crumple and exert less force on pedestrians then surely it would work the same way with other cars... I mean its all good if you have a 5 star car but if its a massive tank on wheels you might be fine but the poor individual in the microcar you crunched probably doesn&#039;t feel the same way.

Whilst I do agree with reckless and brets views as to pedestrians having to take responsibility for themselves, this attitude will not apply to everyone. Think about that little girl... what about the situations where the driver is driving wildly and mounts a curb and takes out a group of pedestrians? Even if a few of these deaths or permanent injuries can be reduced in their severity then isn&#039;t it all worth it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with HAL.</p>
<p>If manufacturers have the ability to make their cars safer for pedestrians, why not let them? If one particular manufacturer wants to spend more money making their cars safer for pedestrians, should such spending not be rewarded with recognition that their car is more safe from an overall viewpoint than another manufacturer? It&#8217;s not like car companies HAVE to make their vehicles pedestrian safe, but it does encourage them to.</p>
<p>I would have thought that pedestrian safety also translates to less deadly crashes with other vehicles? I have nothing to support that than intuition though. If the car is designed to crumple and exert less force on pedestrians then surely it would work the same way with other cars&#8230; I mean its all good if you have a 5 star car but if its a massive tank on wheels you might be fine but the poor individual in the microcar you crunched probably doesn&#8217;t feel the same way.</p>
<p>Whilst I do agree with reckless and brets views as to pedestrians having to take responsibility for themselves, this attitude will not apply to everyone. Think about that little girl&#8230; what about the situations where the driver is driving wildly and mounts a curb and takes out a group of pedestrians? Even if a few of these deaths or permanent injuries can be reduced in their severity then isn&#8217;t it all worth it?</p>
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		<title>By: Golfschwein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golfschwein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay. But this would only be a problem if someone&#039;s true identity was used, wouldn&#039;t it? If someone here accused Golfschwein of being or doing something that is completely false, does that become my problem for being Golfschwein or is it the accuser&#039;s problem? However annoyed I&#039;d be, I suspect it would be my problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay. But this would only be a problem if someone&#8217;s true identity was used, wouldn&#8217;t it? If someone here accused Golfschwein of being or doing something that is completely false, does that become my problem for being Golfschwein or is it the accuser&#8217;s problem? However annoyed I&#8217;d be, I suspect it would be my problem.</p>
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		<title>By: HAL</title>
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		<dc:creator>HAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, Golfschwein, although it could be called defamation, libel or slander, technically it would be libel:

&quot;false or misleading statement in a fixed medium, especially writing but also a picture, sign, or electronic broadcast&quot;.

But I&#039;m not that worried.  Just wanted to remind people that the degree of anonymity isn&#039;t as far-reaching as they seem to think it is on the net.  You still have to be careful what you say about people, and generalisations like the one Peter made about me, is total bollocks and shouldn&#039;t have been posted in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Golfschwein, although it could be called defamation, libel or slander, technically it would be libel:</p>
<p>&#8220;false or misleading statement in a fixed medium, especially writing but also a picture, sign, or electronic broadcast&#8221;.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not that worried.  Just wanted to remind people that the degree of anonymity isn&#8217;t as far-reaching as they seem to think it is on the net.  You still have to be careful what you say about people, and generalisations like the one Peter made about me, is total bollocks and shouldn&#8217;t have been posted in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: The Salesman</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/25819/2009-vw-golf-scores-five-star-euroncap-rating/comment-page-1/#comment-122232</link>
		<dc:creator>The Salesman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are they doing a roll over as part of the test?</description>
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		<title>By: Nightshifter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nightshifter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sleepy, it&#039;s just a relative measurement on how safe a car is. A 64km/h head on crash would actually mean just 32km/h(who would drive at 32km/h eh?) for both cars if they are traveling on opposite direction. More stars for 1 car simply mean you will less likely be injured/dead compared with being in another car with less stars. You don&#039;t really have to put the cars in what-you-would-car real world/non simplistic conditions to see which one is relatively safer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sleepy, it&#8217;s just a relative measurement on how safe a car is. A 64km/h head on crash would actually mean just 32km/h(who would drive at 32km/h eh?) for both cars if they are traveling on opposite direction. More stars for 1 car simply mean you will less likely be injured/dead compared with being in another car with less stars. You don&#8217;t really have to put the cars in what-you-would-car real world/non simplistic conditions to see which one is relatively safer.</p>
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		<title>By: Golfschwein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golfschwein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Defamation? For an alias? Who are you trying to kid?</description>
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		<title>By: HAL</title>
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		<dc:creator>HAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>be careful Peter, unless you can quote specific examples of where I have &quot;bagged all &amp; sundry&quot;, you open yourself up to potential defamation.  To the contrary, on many occassions I have pulled others up for being rude, impolite, and unnecessarily nasty/snide to others for simply having a differing opinion to their own.  So I find it hard to believe that if you have been reading CA for a while that you would have seen me guilty of those very things.  I called the COMMENTS of others today ridiculous, and have articluated in several proceeding posts as to why I thought so.  To this point nobody has put forward an plausible counter-defence.  

I have never, and will never call any PERSON names, or take them to task simply because they have a different view to my own.  Today&#039;s example is an anomaly because it is an issue very close to me, given a family member was involved in such an incident.  But lets not go there.

The reason I comment on this website is because I like to hear others views on things, and &#039;debate&#039; topics in a constructive manner.  But I do get my back up when people make generalised statements from what appears to be a position of authority, and then continue the nonsense when someone questions them on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>be careful Peter, unless you can quote specific examples of where I have &#8220;bagged all &amp; sundry&#8221;, you open yourself up to potential defamation.  To the contrary, on many occassions I have pulled others up for being rude, impolite, and unnecessarily nasty/snide to others for simply having a differing opinion to their own.  So I find it hard to believe that if you have been reading CA for a while that you would have seen me guilty of those very things.  I called the COMMENTS of others today ridiculous, and have articluated in several proceeding posts as to why I thought so.  To this point nobody has put forward an plausible counter-defence.  </p>
<p>I have never, and will never call any PERSON names, or take them to task simply because they have a different view to my own.  Today&#8217;s example is an anomaly because it is an issue very close to me, given a family member was involved in such an incident.  But lets not go there.</p>
<p>The reason I comment on this website is because I like to hear others views on things, and &#8216;debate&#8217; topics in a constructive manner.  But I do get my back up when people make generalised statements from what appears to be a position of authority, and then continue the nonsense when someone questions them on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hal, I have been reading CA for some time now (but have only recently started adding comments myself). 
Something that has stood out quite clearly is your high-handed approach to other&#039;s comments/views, &quot;bagging&quot; all and sundry who don&#039;t agree with you, calling people&#039;s opinions and views &quot;narrow minded&quot; or &quot;ridiculous&quot;. So, if the shoe fits!

As for the scenario - the child&#039;s safety in this case rests with the parents followed by the driver, and, yes, the vehicle itself - that is why I said &quot;I believe pedestrian safety measures on cars are good ...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hal, I have been reading CA for some time now (but have only recently started adding comments myself).<br />
Something that has stood out quite clearly is your high-handed approach to other&#8217;s comments/views, &#8220;bagging&#8221; all and sundry who don&#8217;t agree with you, calling people&#8217;s opinions and views &#8220;narrow minded&#8221; or &#8220;ridiculous&#8221;. So, if the shoe fits!</p>
<p>As for the scenario &#8211; the child&#8217;s safety in this case rests with the parents followed by the driver, and, yes, the vehicle itself &#8211; that is why I said &#8220;I believe pedestrian safety measures on cars are good &#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: HAL</title>
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		<dc:creator>HAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bret, I&#039;m not the confused one here.  By &#039;many&#039; pedestrians you mean 1/3?  Again, as I said to Reckless, it&#039;s a question of relevance to the thread.  The article is good news story about technological advances made by one company that are making their cars safer - not only for the drivers but the things they are likely to run into.  I just don&#039;t get why we then need to start talking about how &#039;stupid&#039; some pedestrians are.  It&#039;s such a massive generalisation, and in the context of the article, not very relevant either.  Vehicle/pedestrian accidents will always occur, regardless of who&#039;s at fault, so the fact that car makers are considering this in their designs as technological advances are made is a brilliant thing, end of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bret, I&#8217;m not the confused one here.  By &#8216;many&#8217; pedestrians you mean 1/3?  Again, as I said to Reckless, it&#8217;s a question of relevance to the thread.  The article is good news story about technological advances made by one company that are making their cars safer &#8211; not only for the drivers but the things they are likely to run into.  I just don&#8217;t get why we then need to start talking about how &#8217;stupid&#8217; some pedestrians are.  It&#8217;s such a massive generalisation, and in the context of the article, not very relevant either.  Vehicle/pedestrian accidents will always occur, regardless of who&#8217;s at fault, so the fact that car makers are considering this in their designs as technological advances are made is a brilliant thing, end of story.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAL,
My comment was intended to highlight the stupidity of many pedestrians.

Don&#039;t try to confuse the argument between the 6yo chasing a ball and an irresponsible adult being an idiot.

BTW the statistic that I presented comes directly from a current road safety campaign in SA, where the authorities are saying that pedestrians should take more responsibility for their road safety!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAL,<br />
My comment was intended to highlight the stupidity of many pedestrians.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t try to confuse the argument between the 6yo chasing a ball and an irresponsible adult being an idiot.</p>
<p>BTW the statistic that I presented comes directly from a current road safety campaign in SA, where the authorities are saying that pedestrians should take more responsibility for their road safety!</p>
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