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Hyundai Equus flagship launches in Korea

By George Skentzos |

Only a few years ago, the prospect of a luxury Hyundai was almost laughable, lacking the badge credibility buyers had come to expect from the premium market.

A lot has changed for Hyundai in recent years and this transformation has allowed the Korean car maker to establish a new flagship in the luxury sedan market to take on the best from Germany and Japan with the all-new Equus.

As a replacement for the first-generation Equus, this new model is the culmination of extensive design and engineering spanning over three years at a cost of more than AUD$513 million.

Initially, it will be available solely in the Korean domestic market, with Hyundai projecting sales of at least 13,000 units in the first year, growing to 19,000 units by 2010.

Hyundai also plans to enter overseas markets such as China and the Middle East with its all-new Equus, starting in the latter half of 2009.

The Equus is available with the choice of two engines – the Lambda 3.8-litre V6 and the award-winning Tau 4.6-litre V8, both featuring an all-aluminium construction, continuously variable valve timing and variable air induction systems.

The Lambda V6 engine boasts peak power of 213kW and 358Nm while delivering impressive fuel economy of 10.8-litres per 100km.

Meanwhile the Tau V8 produces 269kW and 439Nm with only a marginal disadvantage in fuel economy, using just 11.4-litres per 100km.

Both models feature a six-speed automatic transmission, multi-link suspension front and rear, and an Amplitude Selective Dampers (ASD) system developed in partnership with ZF-SACHS.

The new Equus also boasts added conveniences usually only found in German premium models such as an electric park brake, electro-hydraulic power steering system, lane departure warning system, pre-Safety system and third generation smart cruise control (SCC).

The list continues with video cameras front and rear to eliminate blind spots, integrated with a new parking guidance system and high intensity discharge head lamps with adaptive front lighting system.

During winter, a warm touch comes through the steering wheel, seat cushions and backrests while in summer owners have been catered for with the seat cooling system and glove box drink chiller – a massage system in the rear seats ensures extra passengers are also taken care of.

The entertainment system uses and advanced driver information system accessible through a touch-screen menu or toggle wheel, displaying maps, Bluetooth phone menu and acting as the central control of the 17-speaker Lexicon sound system.

Korean buyers can select from four trim levels priced from AUD$65,500 for the entry level VS380 model and will top out at approximately AUD$108,000 for the VS460 Prestige.

A long wheelbase edition which will be powered by a 5.0-litre V8 ‘Tau’ engine will also be added to the range later this year.


 
  • HAL

    Looks good, only concern is the grille, which looks a bit ‘cheap’. Otherwise it looks good.

    But again, very disappointing that there are no plans to bring it to Aus anytime soon, looks like we’ll continue to just get more econoboxes from these guys…..

  • Captain Mainwaring

    I don’t imagine that the pedestrian-disembowelling bonnet ornament is going to make it to export markets, even if the rest of the car does.

  • Tack

    This is still laughable article.
    Ecuus?…. Oh it’s a story of crazy teenager.
    Where is their design originality?
    And who pay over 100K for Korean car !!!
    Yes, yes, yes, this is just first generation.
    But what Toyota did with first generation Lexus in 1989 !!!
    Probably this car is domestic only…

  • Frontman

    Actually I think the problem with sending it to established markets is simply perception. Would you pay 70K for a Hyundai??
    Secondly, can’t go to US because i reckon the grille would infringe upon lincolns copyright.

  • .

    4.6 model does 100 KM less than 5.5 sec…

  • Howie-VL

    All sounds really good. ALthough when I got to the price I was pretty suprised too. I do like the styling of it as well. Looks quite good from the front angle there.

  • Howie-VL

    maybe I’m blind but I didn’t see if its front or rear wheel drive? Would obviously assume rwd considering the size and the V8 avail.

  • .

    Actually, Equss is a bigger version of Genesis which won North American Car of year…In addition, Motor Trend states that Genesis’s driving experience is almost identical to that of Lexus LS 460..Do not underestimate Equss..It is a good car…

  • .

    Actually, Equss is a bigger version of Genesis which won North American Car of year…In addition, Motor Trend states that Genesis\’s driving experience is almost identical to that of Lexus LS 460..Do not underestimate Equss..It is a good car…

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Looks the gear………….although the bonnet emblem is a little tacky !

    Dot ,I wouldnt underestimate Hyundai at all anymore ,they are proving week by week they are going head to head with the Japs and Im sure even the Europeans are sitting up watching whos next to encroach on their market.

    Nice job Hyundai and performance too boot,not bad !

  • Nick

    Looks okay but will this model survive anywhere else ? I would not pay anything over 45k for a Korean car even if it had all the Gizmos.

  • Myke

    Apart from the wonky door handles, bonnet emblem and thong grill, it appears to be a very smart looking car. It would be nice if we saw some of the RWD Hyundais in the Australian market, pity about it being LHD only.
    Not exactly satisfied with just the Grandeur…

  • Dan

    Looks ok, agree on the grille comment and the pedestrain scraper on the bonnet. Someone wants to be like Jaguar it seems.

    I agree with HAL and Tack. It won’t help Australia’s image of Hyundai at all, while all they sell here are the cheap econoboxes. Also reading it up, it looks like they copied a lot of ideas from other brands, which I won’t care to mention. I can’t imagine anyone would pay over 100K for a Hyundai either… hence why they’re probably keeping it in Korea.

    Good luck to them nevertheless, they’re gonna need it.

  • http://fordnewsblog.wordpress.com Ben

    I’ll have one in black… with the 5L Tau (supercharged none-the-less) thanks!!! :D

  • http://caradvice onepoppa

    The anti spam word says it all – Lexus.

    Has everyone forgotten that when the original Lexus appeared so many said – A Toyota to challenge Mercedes – impossible! But it wasn’t.

  • Dan

    Indeed Onepoppa, and Lexus was hugely successful, and still is kicking their butts.

    Only difference is, the brand image isn’t doing Hyundai any favours. They can’t sell cheap econoboxes, and at the same time, within the same brand, make an attempt at the big guys up in the expensive prestige area. It just won;t happen, the way it is now.

  • Falcodore

    The features and engine specs sound impressive but im not liking the looks of it,especially the headlights. They look too ‘swoopy’, like they’ve given it an eyelift and botched the operation. Kinda like what toyota done with some of their cars.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Onepoppa, not me ! I remember they looked like a Merc too !

    I guess it helps if you have a bench mark to meet when designing a new brand ,Hyundai copy pffffffftttttttt Lexus were no different were they!

  • Dan

    You’re right, like if they copied the old LS430… also the massage seats. That was back in the LS in 1989!

  • HAL

    OK BM, he is fishing here. Resist the temptation!!!

  • Dan

    Last time I checked, the cars you claim were copied didn’t even have massage seats when the LS first came out. Who’s copying who bavaria? And the first LS looks heaps more better than the competition from the same era! They got owned big time back then, from the start. As much as I wish Hyundai all the best of luck, somehow I doubt they will make equally impressive and strong impact like Lexus did with the LS400.

  • HAL

    you’re a bad man Dan….

  • crouchy

    Aghhh you could pass this off as a SSANGYONG with that big ugly grille. The idea is OK much as the Lexus was but the proof lies in the pudding.

    I think they have strectched it too far. If they were talking about pricing between 50-80k then i wouldnt be so shocked but over 100k for a HYUNDAI?????????

    I think baby steps is what im getting at here…..

  • Dan

    Agreed Crouchy! 100K for a Hyundai. Is that drive away, no more to pay? LOL! No way it will sell for that much, maybe in 20 years time when inflation catches up, but not now. They’re dreaming!

  • RoFlmaTiC

    Hyundai should sell their luxo vehicles under a new brand.

    Making 15 grand cars and 100 grand cars just doesn’t make sense as you are stuck trying to win sales from hugely different target markets.

    Like it or not, badge snobbery exists and will continue to exist, but there’s not much to be snobbish about if you’ve just forked out 100k for a car which has the same brand name as your neighbour joe’s 13k car.

  • jesse

    Who cares if anyone is going to pay 70k for a Hyundai or not, Aussies won’t get it anyway. This kind of perception about Hyundai in Aus prevents Hyundai from bringing Top-class cars like Genesis and Genesis Coupe to Aus, because as some of you say, no one in Aus (except those who look at the car, not the badge) will pa 70k for a Hyundai. There is a long waiting list to get Equus in Korea, and it will make its way to Middle East and China soon, where Hyundais are better treated than here is Aus.

  • realcars

    why would they copy a Camry Dan?LOL.

  • Dan

    What are you talking about Realcars? I thought this car was RWD, not FWD. And last time I checked Camry didn’t come with a V8 either. Two totally differnt cars mate. You once again seem to have trouble grasping basic car concepts there, as usual!

  • realcars

    Autotrend rated the Genesis better than the Lexus and up there with equivalent BMW/Merc and at less than half the price of the Lexus.

    Lexus has it’s econobox division Dan.It’s called Toyota.LOL.

  • realcars

    Should trade your Lexus on one of these Dan if they bring them out. At least it can’t be confused with a Camry!

  • Simon

    I’d take this over a Calais everyday of the week.

  • Tomas79

    Nice Car, I wonder about the interior, and general build quality??!

    RealCars, I’d tell you to trade in your AU Falcon ute, but with the value you’d get in your trade-IN you would be lucky to have enough cash for a bus ticket home!! :-)

  • Phil

    “And the first LS looks heaps more better than the competition from the same era!”

    At no point in history has any Lexus looked heaps more better than any corresponding BMW or Mercedes.

  • Tomas79

    Phil, if thats the case, why did the new BMW 7 series take on the LS look?

  • Damian

    “At no point in history has any Lexus looked heaps more better than any corresponding BMW or Mercedes.”

    Tell that to the hordes of Americans who purchased the LS400 in droves, propelling Lexus to become the BEST SELLING luxury marque in the US.

  • realcars

    Ha Ha Ha Thomas69 at least I don’t pretend it is something it isn’t i.e Lexus Prado.LOL

    Maybe u should get in the q behind Dan?

  • Dan

    Better in what? Price?

    Besides, what’s with you and your constant mention of Toyota Realcars? I know what Toyota is. Everyone here knows what Toyota is. No idea what you put a ‘LOL’ there for either. Sounds like a broken record to me. Do you ever make any comments of value, other than “toyota this, lol” and “camry that”? I haven’t seen any. Realcars, sounds like you are jealous mate.

    Phil, back in 1989 merc and beemer weren’t exactly good looking. And nowadays, bmw is not good looking either, very ‘bangled’ lol! So yes, there are plenty of points in history where lexus actually looks better than merc or beemer haha.

  • Dan

    Like I said, the reason why Lexus owned the competition back when it first came out, was because it was a better car in every regard, it looked better. Was better equipped, better built and so on. There’s a reason why it outsold the competition. Given the standards that the competition is today, Hyundai will struggle to get as ahead as Lexus did back then.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Yeah Damian and Americans love the Prius…………whats your point ! They have No taste !

  • Shak

    This will make good competition for the caprice and stateys in da middle east bcause the oil sheiks are ready to pay for a good car when they see one, and this is a gud one. They aren’t all badge snobs as i have talked to some of them. But the pricing if it ever came here would immediately kill it off, because the caprice is geting massage function at the end of the year through till 2010.

  • realcars

    Owned the competition only in your head Dan.

    Lexus and Genesis are good cars in their own right but both brands struggle to compete in terms of engineering prowess, credentials and pedigree of BMW/Mercedes

    BMW/Mercedes progress the cause of the automobile while Hyundai and Toyota/Lexus copy to keep up.

    Lexus and Genesis provide an alternative for less decerning buyers and this is reflected in the price.

  • Dan

    Bavaria – “Yeah Damian and Americans love the Prius…………whats your point ! They have No taste !”

    And you are a judge of taste? LOL!

    They also love muscle cars. And big V8s. And luxo cruiser barges. And so on. Given it is (or at least until more recently) was the biggest market for cars, I think the sample space is larger than the tiny amount of buyers judging taste in the goldfields, don’t you think? ;)

  • Tim

    I agree with Dan on this one, the LS kicked major arse when it launched – scared the bejezus out of BMW/Merc. Although their latest LS efforts are a bit bland..

    On the Hyundai though, it looks good, not great. Looks a bit tacky and “Korean”. But its good, give it a few years and it will be as good/better than luxo alternatives.

  • Dan

    Realcars – “Lexus and Genesis are good cars in their own right but both brands struggle to compete in terms of engineering prowess, credentials and pedigree of BMW/Mercedes”

    No doubt Genesis/Hyundai, whatever will struggle. But Lexus? Mate, have you even driven/owned any of these brands before? Lexus is up there if not better in terms of engineering. You have absolutely no clue!

    And it owned the competition big time, not in my head, but in reality. Sales records prove it. Automotive awards prove it. No point denying the truth and facts realcars, only makes you look uneducated and in denial. probably becasue you are jealous I am guessing.

  • Dan

    That’s right Tim. I think the latest LS is quite nice, it’s the previous LS430 that was rather bland though, and I hate it haha. I test drove the new one some time ago, wow! I could live in it haha. Anyone claiming it is below germans though is ignorant.

  • Tomas79

    Dan, too right!!

    Realcars says; “Lexus Prado.LOL”

    Please Explain, LOL?! :-/

  • Dan

    He’s demonstrating how little he knows about cars. No surprise his comments are never taken seriously.

  • realcars

    How come these pair of clowns turn every thread into a Toyota/Lexus event.

    Disagree with their perverse logic and u get called ignorant,uneducated etc etc etc.

    If Toyota can start out with what essentially was a tarted up Camry then I don’t see why Hyundai can’t do as well in this market especially given their design is a clean slate design and also considering it is by all reports as good or better than the Lexus at half the price of equivalent model spec.

    Clowns also mention Hyundai’s econobox image. Lexus too has it’s econobox division Toyota.

    Now don’t tell me Toyota don’t make some econoboxes.

    Want the real deal u buy a BMW/Merc.Charge a premium over the Asian contenders because they provide the ground breaking technology that both Asians back engineer and copy at each model revision.

    It’s no secret that Toyota have always been in awe of Mercedes Engineering even back in the days of the Crown which was based on the earlier 230 series.

    Pretty straight forward don’t u think?

  • Tomas79

    Realcars, you haven’t answered my question.
    You accused me and Dan of brining toyota/Lexus to this discussion(Which if you read the comments above, clearly shows isn’t correct), then you dribled some crap about toyota econo-boxes. RealCars are you on medication?

  • Dan

    Realcars – “How come these pair of clowns turn every thread into a Toyota/Lexus event.”

    You were the muppet who did mate, not us. You always start of with toyo bashing comments. Look where it got you.

    Realcars – “If Toyota can start out with what essentially was a tarted up Camry”

    Here you are demostrating your lack of knowledge again mate.

    Muppet – “Clowns also mention Hyundai’s econobox image. Lexus too has it’s econobox division Toyota.”

    Muppet doesn’t see the distinction between the fact that one has one brand, within which it does econoboxes and attempts to do a luxury car with; and the other actually has two seperate brands/divisions dedicated to their purpose.

    Again, I can bet you have never driven or owned either of these premium brands, I have. Hence I consider your opinion in that regard as nothing more than uneducated and ignorant.

  • realcars

    Autotrend done a good comparo I suggest u read it and open your mind. Thought Uni was suppose to do that.

    All my tax dollars gone to attempt to educate them.

    Oh well if the possum isn’t in the tree then there isn’t much u can do.LOL.

  • Twilight

    hey, i havnt been reading this whole debacle, and if someone reccons there is no such thing as a ‘Lexus Prado’ – there is.

    in Aus we have the Lexus LX and RX SUV’s,
    in USA they have LX, RX AND GX(Prado)and, it’s a V8 too.

    http://www.lexus.com/models/GX/

    there you’s go ^^

  • Dan

    I paid for my own education thank you very much. Not once have I even claimed Centrelink. Oh, and last time I checked, taxpayers don’t even pay for people’s uni degrees, unless you get a scholarship of some sort. I am so amazed, how one person’s comments (Realcars) can be so wrong and misguided, each and every time they post. Like every time you post something, it’s wrong. How does that make you feel? Write the opposite of what you think perhaps, maybe they you’ll get somewhere realcars, ROFL!

    Enough of this off topic crap realcars. You’ve done enough damage to this thread.

  • Dan

    Twilight, they don’t sell actual Prado in the US though, you can only get it as a GX. Plus the V8 and better equipment makes it a different car altogether.

    Enough off topic.

  • Tomas79

    Twillight thats true,
    They are even built on the same line, in the Tahara Plant
    Thats what I have said before, but realcars seems to some how apply stoner logic to derive that I’m pretending that it is a lexus?!!

  • Tomas79

    Realcars Says:
    “All my tax dollars gone to attempt to educate them.”

    I wonder if your tax dollar paid for my education, how come I had to pay may HECS fees?! Even though we like to believe we live in the lucky country, in germany the government pays fully for your education, and even if you are an foreigner like i was!!

  • Leafspring

    Dan, chill out mate – can’t you see that you’re being ‘wound up’?

    Perhaps the simple fact is, and it appears to be repeating itself over and over again with these submissions – the Korean cars haven’t really earnt their ‘colours’ in Oz – yet! Time will take care of that – one way or another. Simply put, very few people locally, will pay high prices for these brands, despite multiple awards overseas. Besides, if they’re not destined for Oz – who cares?

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Dan Says:
    March 16th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Bavaria – “Yeah Damian and Americans love the Prius…………whats your point ! They have No taste !”

    And you are a judge of taste? LOL!

    They also love muscle cars. And big V8s. And luxo cruiser barges. And so on. Given it is (or at least until more recently) was the biggest market for cars, I think the sample space is larger than the tiny amount of buyers judging taste in the goldfields, don’t you think? ;) “”

    Was I talking to you ? Your opinion counts for nothing as your taste ! What the hell does the Goldfield have to do with anything ?????????????????????????????

  • Dan

    It’s a public forum Bavaria. I can have an opinion about your comment if I like, get used to it. :)

    And in regards to goldfields, last time I checked, it ain’t exactly a tasteful kind of place. Although I must say when I went for a tour there, the brothels there are quite creative! ;P

  • PROJET – L

    What most of you who say “I wouldn’t that much for a Hyundai” is that this is a car bought by people who pay $150,000 for their Golf Club Membership.
    This car would be pretty much hand built as per the previous Equus.
    And in Korea, Hyundai has more national pride than Holden for Australians.
    Of course they feel great pride in paying big dollars for the ultimate of their largest car maker.
    This is the Maybach while the Genesis is the S class.

  • PROJET – L

    Sorry I meant to say “I wouldn’t pay that much for a Hyundai”
    my mistake.

  • Tomas79

    HEHEHEHE, Dan good one Mate!!

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Again what has the Goldfield got to do with anything………You make no sense !

    Brothels vists,hahahaha now see that enforces the fact you have no taste or luck! hehehe

    Oh and its not a Forum for that you have to log on too……….as I said your opinion doesnt count ! So stop embarrassing yourself .

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Tomas ……HEEL !

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    This is the Forum ,just for you Dan and your sand pit buddy,perhaps you can both play over there and let the adults talk cars !

    http://www.caradvice.com.au/forum/

    Thankyou !

  • JEKYL & HYDE

    judging my the sticker price,i reckon all the holden guys are now dreaming up a plan to send all the unsold g8′s over to korea.why not do a “hyundia”in korea…

  • Cupid Stunt

    That Hyundai looks OK but a cannot imagine anyone but the Asian market taking it seriously. Yeh it might be a merc competitor but if you were spending that on a car you would buy the real item. Rather like buying a rolex from a peddler on a beach.

  • Deano

    Oh for crying out loud, 80% of these comments are nothing more than the type of schoolyard BS that I was glad I left behind on leaving primary school.

    Why don’t the few people here who insist on turning the comment section of nearly every story into a s–t storm (I assume this has now entered the realms of acceptable use thanks to our fearless leader and a trashy so-called current affairs program) go find something useful to do with their lives, other than regressing to their early teenage years.

    CA mods: Isn’t some of the crap in this thread going against the code of ethics, of AUP or whatever you call it ;-)

    So Hyundai has, and maybe never will gain the badge cred that it appears that may be increasingly worthy of — what can you do eh!?

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Deano …………….Ive reported and emailed the guys at CA regarding the s*it stir Dan and his side kick are starting thread after thread AGAIN.

  • Wheelnut

    Is it just me or does anyone else get the impression that the reason Dan and Tomas79 are always so eager to try and degrade Hyundais for their supposed inferior build quality or their poor reliability etc is because they actually like Hyundais or they realise that Hyundai ARE a threat to their beloved Toyota but they lack the Kahunas to admit it.

  • Deano

    BM: Won’t comment on who or why, or how, or anything, I just want it to stop, so we can all get on with good commentary and sensible debate on something of which we’re all passionate.

    Being passionate and true to ones belief doesn’t mean you have to flame the heck out of anyone who disagrees with you, nor mount ad hominem attacks time after time after time.

    Come on CA staff, knock these ridiculous vendettas and personal attacks on the head, at least as much as you can, so we can start getting on with enjoying a real debate.

    Cheers,
    Deane.

  • Dan

    You live(d) in Goldfields Bavaria. All there is to see as a tourist is the super pit, and the creative theme brothels. Indeed there’s no taste. Glad we’re on the same page :)

    Anyway, perhaps Koreans may love the car. Obviously it’s their own car that they have created in their own country. They will be loyal to it, and it will be a sales success in Korea. Sort of like what Commodore is to us Australians. Things is, just like Commodore, I doubt it will be a global sales success. The price is just ridiculously high. And whoever compared it to a Maybach, thanks for that huge laugh I just had. Took me a minute to calm down, serious! :)

  • Dan

    Deano, last time I checked, every debate gets ruined by those muppets starting with their anti toyota rubbish. Simple. Scroll up and see for yourself.

  • http://integra dibba dobba

    Man i get a good laff every night when the wheel clamp ,wagnarian missiles, and stan the man get going .

    Keep up the comedy i love it.

    In this world of political correctness , we need more of this sort of fun relieves the pressure of recession we are not going to have .

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Absolutely Deano,Nuff said.

    The Koreans arent stupid you only have to see the current design and awards they are winning around the world.Why would they design and manufacture a car they didnt think would take sales off other Luxury Manufacturers. Bet people thought the same about the Genesis when it came out,now look what its achieved!

  • Tomas79

    Wheelnut Says:”Is it just me or does anyone else get the impression that the reason Dan and Tomas79 are always so eager to try and degrade Hyundais for their supposed inferior build quality or their poor reliability etc ”

    It is just you, try to learn to read first, champ!

    Bavarian Missile (.)(.) Says: “Deano …………….Ive reported and emailed the guys at CA regarding the s*it stir Dan and his side kick are starting thread after thread AGAIN.”

    Thats a bit rich to report us, given you and wheelnut have the largest amount of comments deleted on this site so far!
    Way surpusing Dingo!!
    Deano look up any article on this site, and it will have Boganville missile, and Wingnut banging on toyotas, regardless of the topic!! They only come sucking up to the ops, when they are left speechless, or when inconvenient truth comes out!!

  • Tack

    Oh my goodness, this article is more popular than Toyota Corolla and Hyundai I30.
    Well, conclusion is this car and Hyundai Genesis sedan and coupe are never be in Australian market.
    Hyndai/Kia group has no money to develop right hand drive car market right now.

    You guys should check IMF reports and newspaper and magazine from England, USA, Japan and other countries as many as you can.
    Korean is dying… Just like Iceland did last year.
    They are just live with USA and Japan’s support.
    Whatever they tried to say, they have no future and so does all company from Korea.

  • Tim

    Tack, that is probably one of the stupidest comments I have ever read….and there have been REALLY stupid ones here.

    No company from Korea has a future eh?

  • Tack

    Tim,

    This is very exciting…Who knows.
    But, I won’t be wrong !!!
    Who said IGNORANCE IS SIN…
    Open your eyes. There are so many resource on Web…
    Believe or not is up to you.

  • Tim

    Why do I need to search the web when I can see Korean companies making strides? LG, Samsung, Hyundai, Kia are all KOREAN companies making huge advances and propelling themselves to the same status as Japanese products did decades ago.

    Why would Japan and USA help their competition? Or maybe you mean that Korean companies survive because of their links with Korean companies located in Japanese/USA. In the end, Korea still wins.

  • Tack

    What did I wrote before….
    Oh !!! “IGNORANCE IS SIN” end of story.

  • Neutral

    This looks like a messed up blend of everything from Lexus and Jaguar to BMW and Merc, one of the things the Korean do best.

  • Harley Stone

    The car they called “horse” ……. hell why ???

  • Cupid Stunt

    You’re babbling cack Tack

  • Lukaas

    First, its a nice car from Hyundai, but it wont sell under that name.
    engineering wise, Im sure they are benchmarking Lexus, Merc and BMW, its how it works. But sadly they dont have a market for that price.

    Secondly, To the CA forum moderators.
    You have to factor in that EVERY time a thread about Toyota comes up, the same bashers polute it.
    It also happens to other threads, but easily… very very easily, you can name 3-4 regular Toyota bashers who happen to be prominent posters in all forums.

    About Realcars…
    Seriously mate, whats with the Toyota hate?
    Calling all Toyotas Camry?… lol. First Camry isnt even Toyota’s best selling car. Second Camry is their sedan entry… you know, every day family type of car, so why have an opinion on something your not even on the market for.
    Engineering prowess from the Germans?
    Mate, these days manufacturers with good enough reputation to make a profit at the over 80K+ price range… aren’t pulling punches in terms of engineering prowess… which you would know nothing of.

    Lexus, Toyota pretty much holds no punches, they match grain for grain, adhesive for adhesive, steel grade for steel grade, feature for feature with the best of the germans. Thats why they charge that much for them.

    If Toyota can sell a 60K Camry… built as good as it can be, packed with every feature, has a RWD 200kW+ power train…. they would. But no one will buy a 60K Camry… Camry market is sub 30K (AUD) who has other priorities other than power…. One reason Toyota wouldnt put a sports car under “Toyota” anytime soon, unless it makes sense to manufacture and has a market….hence the “rumoured” sub-30K sports coupe.

    And using Autotrend to judge everything isnt feasible or “right”. Their are hundreds of publications out there.

    But in regards to Hyundai… they have a long way to go, but they can only go up really. But still very far off.

  • Imugli

    A few years ago people were saying they wouldn’t pay more than x for soemthing from Japan. Look what Lexus did to that perception.

    All the fantastic media Hyundai are getting for their current line-up can’t be wrong – look at the new Genesis and Coupe.

    I’ll bet this is quite an impressive car, perhaps saving ride/handling and gear change (which they are still catching the pack on).

    Give it a few years and we’ll be eating our “I wouldn’t pay more than x for a korean car”…

  • HAL

    ^ Imugli, as has been mentioned time and again on Hyundai and Kia posts on this website, they first need to start actually selling these supposed ‘great cars’ here in Oz before they will have any impact on our perception of them. There’s absolutely no point in making great award-winning cars and telling us just how great they are if they’re not going to give us the chance to assess and buy them ourselves. Genesis, Equus, C’eed – all supposedly fantastic cars, and all NOT available here.

  • PROJET – L

    Probably the main reason that these “Great” cars from Hyundai do not get the money spent on them to engineer for Australia is because to most global manufacturers this is a tin pot backwater, as evidenced by the serious lack of intelligence expressed in many of the posts above. Loyalty to a team / brand is a way of overcoming your fear of not belonging. In other words conformisim.

    Love all cars and always will.

    Because soon most of the bogan hoons will be crying when they have to catch the bus.

  • HAL

    ^ Project-L: then they should never even bother telling us about them if they consider our market too small to justify bringing them here. It’s a waste of our time and their marketing $$$.

  • Dan

    It’s efectively them telling us, “hey, we’re now making these greatest cars in the world, we know you’ll never find out for yourselves, but take our word for it, they’re the best”. Yeah ok… all talk.

  • SteveH

    Hyundai should make another brand if they intend on selling a car costing this much outside of Korea. Look what happened to Nissan with their Infiniti brand here in Australia. They were trying to sell a $100K plus car alongside $20K Pulsars and they never had a hope. At least with Lexus they set up seperate dealerships. (The car being dog ugly probably didn’t help matters)

    And to Lukaas, could not agree more with your comments. Every time an article about any car appears, the usual suspects sway it to a Toyota bashing. When people try to stick up for Toyota or Lexus, they are accused of creating the argument and going into some sort of tirade, when they are merely defending a brand they like.

  • Voice of Reason

    SteveH Says: = “Every time an article about any car appears, the usual suspects sway it to a Toyota bashing. When people try to stick up for Toyota or Lexus, they are accused of creating the argument and going into some sort of tirade, when they are merely defending a brand they like.”

    Agreed!!

    Bavarian Missile Says: = “Ive reported and emailed the guys at CA regarding the s*it stir Dan and his side kick are starting thread after thread AGAIN.”

    Bavarian Missile, CA must be getting sick of you by now surely! I notice almost every day you mention that you reported someone or emailed Alborz about someone, when you lose an argument, yet I never see their comments deleted. It’s because they aren’t the ones doing anything wrong. I think it’s time for you to stop stirring up this place. I agree with steve and others on here, the “usual suspects” constantly come up in almost any article and do their usual toyota bashing, and then plead innocence like if it wasn’t your fault. While it was amusing a year ago at first, it’s now just downright boring. The audience on here is sick of it. Quit it!!

  • Buck

    This Hyundai looks quite similar to an S Class Mercedes-Benz. It has similar equipment, is fitted with flash shocks designed in consultation with Germany’s ZF, so they’ll probably be pretty good, albeit not as good as the S Class’s air suspension, goes in a similar manner to an S Class, so its almost a straight out copy at a little under half the price.

    Its no different at the supermarket, you can have the real Mckoy, (freshly squeezed orange juice) or the half price fake stuff, which (sort of) passes for the real thing.

    From where I sit, if your going to pay $100K or so, you might as well pay up and get the real Mckoy, the Mercedes-Benz S Class, with all the engineering excellence and history going back over 100 years that Mercedes-Benz is known for, after all fake orange juice just leaves you with a bad after-taste in your mouth and in the long run this Hyundai will probably be much the same.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Voice you want to point out where Ive stirred the Toyota pot on this thread or even the Corolla thread,I think you will find it WASNT me !

    You have a problem with me then report me !

    You will find their posts being deleted ,24 hours of them in some cases cause the thread has got soooooooofar off topic .

    I made a comment on the Calais thread yesterday that Dan would start bagging this Hyundai thread and he did . You try finding a car on this site Dan likes and doesnt bag except Toyota or Lexus. Holden,Ford,Hyundai,Kia,BMWs he bags them all ,there is always a snide comment in his post . He is obviously stalking me and others for arguments .

    So perhaps you should read down and see who started the stirring MATE!

    Watch him post after this and portray himself as the innocent one !

  • SteveH

    BM, go back and check your posts. I can see you started on Lexus by saying they copied the Germans with their original LS400. Another classic example of pointing the finger at everyone else for starting things.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    No Steve you will find someone else bought up the Lexus, Tack Onepoppa then . {Dot} did I was simply agreeing with . {Dot} Dan then started fishing for an argument,even HAL said resist the temptation,which I did !

    Then Dan starts a Toyota Lexus fight that I didnt enter ,I replied to Damian then Dan starts on me when I wasnt even talking to him .

    He clearly was taunting and looking for an argument from me .

    If the arguments on the site are annoying you too I hope you are reporting them to Alborz as well !

  • SteveH

    Only thing that is annoying me BM is Toyota or Lexus being brought up in the comments under every story in a bid to try and bait the Toyota/Lexus supporters.

    Are you not taunting Dan as well BM by saying Lexuas copied designs? Maybe they did, maybe they didn’t, but by stating that they did is surely looking for a reaction.

    I still can’t see how someone sticking up for a brand they like, is starting an argument. Dan & Co. probably just get annoyed when every Lexus is branded a tarted up Camry and other stupid comments. (I have seen the RX350 branded a Camry for gods sake)

    Thats my rant for now. I think I need a lie down.

  • Imugli

    Hal,

    Does the i30 count? and the i20 when it gets released here?

    The current Tiburon is well respected by the mags and the new Cerato is apparently not a bad piece of kit.

    It does seem though, that they are trying to build their rep in Oz from the bottom up, whereas in the US they’re building it from the the top down now.

    Maybe that’s because the US generally prefer softer riding / handling cars whereas we lean more toward firmer, euro handling cars and that and gearchange are 2 areas they are yet to master…

  • Voice of Reason

    BM, I read this site daily. I see what happens. That’s the general observation I gathered over a period of time. Sorry, you and the other usual suspects stir this place up. No one else. Period. Your juvenile posts like you calling someone’s car a ‘camry’ and other repetitive broken record comments about toyota, are just tiring. Quit it!

    Hyundai should first create a new division. This car will never succeed in the market badged as Hyundai. Basic rules of marketing play a role here.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Yes I see your point Steve but even if I dont bring up or agree with another on Lexus coping ect ect ,Dan will just argue with another that does,do you see my point.I watched this over the weekend happening.

    This is a car forum where we should be able to state the facts even if it doesnt agree with anothers opinion,not where you blog to appease anothers views .

    I had been trying to avoid the guy by not talking directly and ignoring him but he taunts till he gets a reaction . If there were moderators watching consistently,people {including me} would be pulled up when off topic or abuse arose.

    If you honestly watched Dan you would see he taunts and argues with people on this site that are normally quiet and less self opinionated and even have them gob smacked from insults and argumentative taunts.

    All I can do is Hopefully continue to try and ignore him and his taunting . Sighhhhhhhhhh

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Voice,you know where the report button is if you find my comments stirring and offensive as Ive mentioned before .

    I do agree with you on the second identity though ,if they want higher recognition they need to create a new identity! :)

  • SteveH

    I think people’s version of ‘facts’ varies wildly and this is why there are so many heated debates here BM. Imagine if someone said that a BMW M3 is a tarted up 320i. Its just a stupid thing to say, but someone may state it as fact because they share a similar body and are both three series. Therefore if someone was a Lexus supporter and all they read on every thread on this webite was that a Lexus is a tarted up Camry, I am guessing they would be getting pretty annoyed, pretty quickly.

    I read every thread where Dan gets ganged up on with stupid comments and when he bites, he is the bad man. I have been watching this site for long enough to see it happen all of the time.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Agree Steve……perhaps you and the voice of reason could approach Alborz to be moderators on this site if you are watching that closely.

    I would strongly endorse it!

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Every week we seem to have good news stories coming out of Korea. Higher Sales, better quality, award upon award and first steer reports telling us the Koreans are not only caught up with best in class performance they have exceeded most in performance, features and best of all, price. They really are challenging the competition in all areas and i suspect it wont be too long before even more customers realize not only are the Koreans good value. It’s a better car too. Keep it up Korea.

  • Voice of Reason

    BM, I don’t really feel like arguing about it with you. That is my opinion about this situation, and none of your excuses will make me change it, unless you change your behaviour from now on. I see what’s written. It’s on the record. Pointless debating it.

    How about from now on, I’ll be the independent umpire, and start to point it out to you next time when you start with your usual stirring, is that ok with you? :) I think that will be beneficial to the whole audience. Hopefully that will make you stop the stirring, and everyone will be happy :)

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Voice of Reason,

    We have moderators for that.

  • Voice of Reason

    I agree Salesman The amount of progress that has happeened with the Korean brands is admirable. Problem is, from a marketing and public relations point of view, at least in Australia, it won’t get any sales, as why would you buy something for over 100K when another car with the same badge costs 15K. The reasonw hy you pay that much is for exclisivity. Does Mercedes, Lexus, BMW, or Audi sell any cars for 15K drive away? Also, it would help heaps if they were actually sold here in australia. Right now, all that Korean brands are known for are cheap commuter basic cars.

  • Voice of Reason

    Salesman, I understand there are moderators for that. I don’t see them pointing out where she’s stirring though. She obviously has trouble realising it, so I’m happy to do that for them :)

  • SteveH

    If the moderators spent all day watching posts, they wouldn’t have time to write any articles, so I am guessing the site would get pretty boring.

    As for Hyundai’s in general, my parents have a 1997 Excel that they bought new and have never had a problem with it. It still feels good, and considering how cheap it was when they bought it, it has been a fantastic car. Also, a friend has just bought an i30 petrol and loves it. The comments by most people are right though, there is still a bit of a stigma attached to the Hyundai name

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    “Voice of opinion” come out come out and tell us who you really are ! I think we both know that!!!

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Nice cloak Dan but when I do a search of your posts your smell of Dan . Its easy enough to find out :)

    See stirring the pot Steve !

  • Tomas79

    Sorry Guys to be going offtopic, but i believe its important we address this.

    The real reason why not much apart from her comments being deleted is done against bavarian missile & co, is that she sucks up too much to the moderators with personal emails.
    And they just aren’t prepared to deal with it. Others would have been banned ages ago!!
    As a result the readers of this site, and the reputation of this site suffers.

    She even brings some of these arguments across to the motorreport site, and bags some regulars on this site, with no opportunity for them to defend themselfs!!

    I also guarantee, that it was here today under the alias of .,. stirring things up at the yaris article!

    My 2 cents!

  • Tomas79

    here=her

  • Voice of Reason

    SteveH, so far Hyundai has been successful in getting people out of their very old cars. their next step would be to prove they can do more than just budget vehicles. It’s understandable they want to go further up the ranks, but it’s still a long way to go. Toyota did very well with Lexus. Mazda failed with Eunos. It can really fall either way. But let’s just say they won’t get far with the same badge, so they need to address it, as it will be a marketing and PR nightmare trying to justify to potential customers why they should spend over 100K on a car that sits next to the $13,990 drive away specials.

    BM, please accept it that there are plenty of other other people who do not like your posts. I am not Dan. And I have no time to argue with you about it, so stop it.

  • Dan

    I agree with Tomas79, SteveH and Voice of Reason. Bavaria, claim what you like, people know otherwise. I agree, less stirring from you please. And by the way, I am Dan, not Tomas, Steve or Voice. I don’t know these blokes, but cheers anyway! :)

    Back on topic. Yes, definately seperate the brand! Public won’t be able to justify spending over 100K on a Hyundai. Ask anyone on the street what they think of the Korean brands and they will tell you straight away that they are for budget minded consumers. Ask anyone what they think of Lexus, BMW or Merc, and they see them as desirable cars. You could actually be proud of saying, hey, I drive a Lexus/BMW/Merc, as there is a high level prestige in those brand. It’s why you pay the premium for one also. I’m sorry, you won’t get the same reaction from claiming you drive a Hyundai. The problem is the image here. I don’t know how good this car here is, and it won’t matter, since it’s only sold in Korea.

  • realcars

    Please stay on topic this is a Hyundai post!

  • SteveH

    Bit like the pot calling the kettle black, Realcars?

  • realcars

    Reason I tune in Dibba Dobba.

    Corresponding with some pretentious nobbs that own a Lexus or one supposedly made in same factory I find amusing(69).

    Lording it over the rest of us and telling us about their jet setting careers and how no one else knows anything.
    Thinly veiling their contempt of anything not Toyota/Lexus.

    If the Hyundai is a competent car and marketed at pretentious nobbs it may succeed.Genesis is a badge isn’t it but not as deceitful as the Toyota/Lexus arrangrement?

    Sad that in the 21st Century so many people place image over substance.

    As to this segment in general pretty plain to see who copies who. Why complain if u can get a nearly as good discount Asian for substantially less. Imean the japs have similar costs to the Germans except for the technology they don’t need to develop and hence the saving to the consumer.

    Pretty simple really.

  • Dan

    Realcars, what did Hyundai invent? What? *tumbleweed noise*

    Exactly, nothing. They copied everything. Including Lexus’ massage seats haha.

    And last time i checked, factory satnav first appeared in a Jap car, not German! Who’s copying who Fakecars?

    Please name anything original in this car. There is nothing. Zilch. Zero…

  • realcars

    Dan glad to hear I didn’t pay for your education(HECS)LOL.

    I suggest u go get another degree and take Thomas69 with u then u may stand a chance of getting the gist of what I am saying.LOL.

  • SteveH

    Realcars, what are you on about?

  • realcars

    I suggest u do some homework Dan and discover all the groundbreaking advancements Euro Luxury marques have pioneered and I don’t mean massage seats or adjustable cigarette lighters.LOL

    U know the stuff that advantances the cause of the automobile and eventually filters down to lesser marques like Hyundai and yes even Lexus.LOL

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Quote “I agree with Tomas79, SteveH and Voice of Reason. Bavaria, claim what you like, people know otherwise. I agree, less stirring from you please. And by the way, I am Dan, not Tomas, Steve or Voice. I don’t know these blokes, but cheers anyway! :)

    I know your not SteveH shall we say that! Dingo use to claim the same and still does on this site when he hides under new identities,sort of says it all really!

    Anyhow seems I do agree with you on one point Dan/Voice of Reason ,Hyundai should have before venturing out into the Luxury market started a new brand ,then perhaps they think there’s another way to do both ! Unless your on the board of directors at Hyundai who knows their strategy behind it!

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Quote “I agree with Tomas79, SteveH and Voice of Reason. Bavaria, claim what you like, people know otherwise. I agree, less stirring from you please. And by the way, I am Dan, not Tomas, Steve or Voice. I don’t know these blokes, but cheers anyway! :)

    I know your not SteveH shall we say that! The brown dog use to claim the same and still does on this site when he hides under new identities,sort of says it all really!

    Anyhow seems I do agree with you on one point Dan/Voice of Reason ,Hyundai should have before venturing out into the Luxury market started a new brand ,then perhaps they think there’s another way to do both ! Unless your on the board of directors at Hyundai who knows their strategy behind it!

  • Dan

    Realcars, again, no idea. Change your nickname to that! Will sum up most of your posts. Yes, I did have HECS. Paid it off. Taxpayers paid zilch. Me as a taxpayer, do I pay your unemployment benefits? Only sounds like a fair assumption given your post about our education…

    Care to specify what sort of advanced groundbreaking achievemnts did Lexus copy from the germans? Obviously it wasn’t the massage seats, not the in car factory satnav. And it obviously wasn’t the intelligent self parking feature that Lexus created some time ago. Hell, even reversing camera was first fitted on a Lexus! Care to actually specify what it is that they copied exactly? Granted, Lexus ‘copied’ the design of a wheel from the prehistoric man. They also ‘copied’ the idea of a four door sedan. Wow! They also ‘copied’ the idea of a RWD from somewhere. Seriosuly, you will be clutching at straws there realcars! Give me some specifics here, and not wild claims as you do always. Better still, keep it on topic!

  • Tim

    BM, stop stirring the bloody pot. You are definately paranoid.

  • Wheelnut

    Tomas Says : The real reason why not much apart from her comments being deleted is done against bavarian missile & co, is that she sucks up too much to the moderators with personal emails.

    As they say Tomas its not what you know it’s who you know.

    Tomsa says “She even brings some of these arguments across to the motorreport site, and bags some regulars on this site”

    Your just annoyed because you visited TMR a couple of months ago made similar derogatory comments to the ones you make on this site and because the people who run TMR watch the site more closely than they do on CA your comments got deleted.. seems your “reputation” preceeds you

  • Wheelnut

    It’s efectively them telling us, “hey, we’re now making these greatest cars in the world, we know you’ll never find out for yourselves, but take our word for it, they’re the best”. Yeah ok… all talk.

    Aaahhh Dan – Toyota do exactly the same thing I mean they have said that the new Coupe that subaru are building and that Toyota will merely put their badge on will only be sold in Japan whereas Subaru said it will be exported that is of course if it ever makes to to production.

  • Dan

    Wheelnut said – “As they say Tomas its not what you know it’s who you know.”

    In other words, she can’t stand up her own ground, and anytime proven wrong, retreat and hide behind ‘reporting posts’ and ‘emailing Alborz’. Yes, it’s not WHAT you know, it’s WHO you know. Can’t win an argument, report it! You have confirmed what I have been saying exactly. Cheers mate! :)

  • Dan

    Wheelnut, all manufacturers talk about upcoming models. But unlike Hyundai, they are not full of themselves saying it will be the greatest car ever made, even before it hits the dealership. What is your point exactly? Diversion tactic as usual? Stay on topic. It’s Hyundai, not Toyota or Subaru.

  • http://www.bmlee.com Brian

    This korean car looks good to me. Hope to see this car in near future.

  • Wheelnut

    Dan says: In other words, she can’t stand up her own ground, and anytime proven wrong,

    No Dan – When you have to resort to personal insults/attacks and derogatory comments like you do oh so often Its a sign that you are the one being proven wrong.

    Japanese proverb – he who throws the first puch has lost!

    BM stands her ground and makes her comments yet you mis interpret what is being said.
    you like the handful of other Toytoa fans on this site are always on the offensive and you take any comments about Toyota personally

    It stops being about the car and becomes a personal vendetta against the person making the comments – Yet given so many others on this site say simnilar things about Toyota as BM [and I do] you appear to target BM more than others.. some would say you are obsessed with her or you just hate being “told” by a woman who has more experience in with and knows more about cars then you ever will.

  • Tomas79

    Realcars, feel free to anti-academic rent on the forum, I’d be glad to hear. But not on here!!

    Wheelnut Says:”Your just annoyed because you visited TMR a couple of months ago made similar derogatory comments to the ones you make on this site and because the people who run TMR watch the site more closely than they do on CA your comments got deleted.. seems your “reputation” preceeds you

    That is an utter lie!! I have never posted anything on that Forum!! I have totally lost respect for you wheelnut, now that you have became a full blown liar. And it’s not just with that comment above!!

  • HAL

    Dan/Tomas and BM/Wheelnut – can’t you guys just call a truce to not comment on each others postings from now on? Don’t bait and don’t bite, and everyone’s happy type of thing?

  • Tomas79

    Wheelnut, don’t bother, people on this site aren’t stupid, they know exactly whats going on!!

  • Dan

    Wheelnut – “When you have to resort to personal insults/attacks and derogatory comments like you do oh so often Its a sign that you are the one being proven wrong.”

    Where in this thread have I insulted anyone?? Where have I insulted anyone at all? Exactly. Empty unsubstantiated statement won’t help you with any of your arguments.

    Wheelnut – “you like the handful of other Toytoa fans”

    Will you stop with this toyota crap already? Geez!

    There is no personal vendetta. Tracking back through various articles, as soon as I mention I don’t like something in a car, off I get 10 responses from the ‘usual suspects’ (which includes you) with toyota bashing stuff, such as $80K camry or whatever. Who’s got a vendetta?

    Wheelnut – “some would say you are obsessed with her or you just hate being “told” by a woman who has more experience in with and knows more about cars then you ever will.”

    LOL! She’s the one who usually jumps at me first with the toyota bashin comments. And mate, polishing the same car for 20 years is hardly called ‘experience’. She may be good at it, and have more knowledge about making it shiny and all. Not that I care about show pony stuff. Get it?

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Hal Im trying……………. Ive had many an argument on this site and called a truce with some,just ask AndrewM and Cupid Stunt for starters ,had some butties with them when I started on the site 2 years ago. I now chat to them quiet civilly and have respect for them {hell we even email each other} I have tried with Dan but he is relentless.Now I am ignoring him all together and his aliases .

  • Wheelnut

    Tomas79 says: That is an utter lie!! I have never posted anything on that Forum!! I have totally lost respect for you wheelnut”

    Aahh Tomas you can’t lose something you never had.

    Because if you did have respect for me [or any of us on here] you wouldn’t feel the need to resort to personal attacks/insults etc that you do.
    Instead you would have been able to discuss the topic at hand in a polite civilised manner.

    If you didn’t understand what the other person was saying or thought that they were wrong in some way you could have asked them why they think like that instead of calling them an uneducated moron.

  • Dan

    Bavaria – “Now I am ignoring him all together and his aliases”

    Wow! So by “ignoring” you mean no more toyota bashing 80K camry comments??? I shall wait and see :) You better not break your promise though!

  • Tomas79

    Wheelnut Says: “If you didn’t understand what the other person was saying or thought that they were wrong in some way you could have asked them why they think like that instead of calling them an uneducated moron.”

    Are you on drugs??? I never called anyone “uneducated moron”. Like Dan said on one of the previous post, it must be your low self confidence/worth that makes you assume that!!!

    Dan, two thumbs up on the “Not what you know, but who you know” return.!!

  • Wheelnut

    Aaah Dan she said she’s going to [try and] ignore you because you refuse or are just unable to listen to logic/reason.. or conduct yourself in a civilised manner not only on this topic but other topics on this site

    That doesn’t mean that she will stop expressing her opinions about Toyota’s or Lexus etc.

    You say everybody is entitled to their opinion.. Although what you mean is everybody is entitled to their opinion so long as its the same as yours.. right Dan?

    Practice what you preach “mate”

  • Wheelnut

    Tomas my comment about the constant peronal attacks wasn’t just aimed at you I was referring to the other Toyota Fan on this site as well.

    And when I mention the personal attcks I don’t necessarily mean on this particular topic but the other topics that you have visited.

    And when I say “uneducated moron” that is just an example of the insults you and your counterpart have used on other comments – the majority of which have since been deleted because of your uncivilised behaviour.

  • SteveH

    Wheelnut, I have to ask again. What are you on about? You start with all the Camry/Toyota/Lexus bashing, make unsupported statements and quote them as fact, are proven wrong on pretty much everything and yet when someone points this out to you, you run behind you Mummy’s skirt and tell anyone who will listen that everyone picks on you. Give me a break. If you want to make these statements, be prepared to back them up with some sort of evidence, rather than bringing out the same comments over and over again.

  • Wheelnut

    Qui Pro Quo

  • Dan

    Wheelnut – “And when I say “uneducated moron” that is just an example of the insults you and your counterpart have used on other comments – the majority of which have since been deleted because of your uncivilised behaviour.”

    Who? Me?? When? Oh, they’ve been deleted? How convenient! Mate, I NEVER called anyone ‘uneducated moron’! I’ve been called bad names by your camp on a number of times though. Practice what YOU preach.