Comments on: GM Holden boss: ‘inevitable’ job losses ‘keep me awake’ http://www.caradvice.com.au/25393/gm-holden-boss-%e2%80%98inevitable%e2%80%99-job-losses-%e2%80%98keep-me-awake%e2%80%99/ Resource for Car Reviews, News, Advice, Road Tests, Green Cars, Hybrids Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:37:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tomas79 http://www.caradvice.com.au/25393/gm-holden-boss-%e2%80%98inevitable%e2%80%99-job-losses-%e2%80%98keep-me-awake%e2%80%99/#comment-121930 Tomas79 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:31:16 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/?p=25393#comment-121930 Yeah Dan, so true!! Too bad most of the people loudly voicing their opinion on here never studied economic fundamentals in High School, let alone uni!! Dan Says: "and toyota teaching them about quality as at the same time" Hehehehe, I'm sure the ex-holden employees will gladly take to using Toyota's sheet metal stamping technology, a step up from Holden's method of head butting sheet metal into form!! :-) Yeah Dan, so true!!
Too bad most of the people loudly voicing their opinion on here never studied economic fundamentals in High School, let alone uni!!

Dan Says: “and toyota teaching them about quality as at the same time”

Hehehehe, I’m sure the ex-holden employees will gladly take to using Toyota’s sheet metal stamping technology, a step up from Holden’s method of head butting sheet metal into form!! :-)

]]> By: Bret http://www.caradvice.com.au/25393/gm-holden-boss-%e2%80%98inevitable%e2%80%99-job-losses-%e2%80%98keep-me-awake%e2%80%99/#comment-121927 Bret Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:20:31 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/?p=25393#comment-121927 CB, actually I hate Holden and GM in general. It's just that I hate the B/S that some idiots want to pass of as facts more! But do I want holden to close, no way because it will be the end of Australian auto manufacturing, and I have plenty of friends who work there. CB, actually I hate Holden and GM in general. It’s just that I hate the B/S that some idiots want to pass of as facts more! But do I want holden to close, no way because it will be the end of Australian auto manufacturing, and I have plenty of friends who work there.

]]> By: Dan http://www.caradvice.com.au/25393/gm-holden-boss-%e2%80%98inevitable%e2%80%99-job-losses-%e2%80%98keep-me-awake%e2%80%99/#comment-121924 Dan Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:08:18 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/?p=25393#comment-121924 That's a fair point. If Holden was to call it quits. All the commodores sales, would be replaced by more falcons, aurions and so on. So effectively ford and toyota would have to work overtime to fill in the gap, perhaps employing the sacked holden workers (and toyota teaching them about quality as at the same time). Any third party suppliers (given that they are all shared among the three) while they would obviously lose the revenue from Holden, would be compensated by Ford's and Toyota's business anyway. So all in all, it wouldn't be the biggest tragedy if Holden was to fail actually. And given the taxpayer assistance they are getting already, pay that to Centelink instead and you will cover the remaming left over unemployed workforce. And Bob's your uncle! :-) That’s a fair point. If Holden was to call it quits. All the commodores sales, would be replaced by more falcons, aurions and so on. So effectively ford and toyota would have to work overtime to fill in the gap, perhaps employing the sacked holden workers (and toyota teaching them about quality as at the same time). Any third party suppliers (given that they are all shared among the three) while they would obviously lose the revenue from Holden, would be compensated by Ford’s and Toyota’s business anyway. So all in all, it wouldn’t be the biggest tragedy if Holden was to fail actually. And given the taxpayer assistance they are getting already, pay that to Centelink instead and you will cover the remaming left over unemployed workforce. And Bob’s your uncle! :-)

]]> By: Tomas79 http://www.caradvice.com.au/25393/gm-holden-boss-%e2%80%98inevitable%e2%80%99-job-losses-%e2%80%98keep-me-awake%e2%80%99/#comment-121922 Tomas79 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:59:33 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/?p=25393#comment-121922 Hehehe So True Dan, Unfortunately at the moment the aussie taxpayer pays for it, and only yanks get the g8 with a huge discount!! And regardless of what wheelnut says about yanks raving about the G8, sales figures prove, they just aren't interested!! And if a miracle was to happen, and holden was to actually make a profit, only the U.S owner GM would benefit it!! I say, let Holden fall!! It is the only viable thing to do in the long run!! I'm sure most of the workforce will find jobs at toyota and ford, as they expand to cater for rise in demand for fleets (as caused the demise of commodore)!! Hehehe So True Dan,
Unfortunately at the moment the aussie taxpayer pays for it, and only yanks get the g8 with a huge discount!!
And regardless of what wheelnut says about yanks raving about the G8, sales figures prove, they just aren’t interested!!
And if a miracle was to happen, and holden was to actually make a profit, only the U.S owner GM would benefit it!!

I say, let Holden fall!! It is the only viable thing to do in the long run!!
I’m sure most of the workforce will find jobs at toyota and ford, as they expand to cater for rise in demand for fleets (as caused the demise of commodore)!!

]]> By: Dan http://www.caradvice.com.au/25393/gm-holden-boss-%e2%80%98inevitable%e2%80%99-job-losses-%e2%80%98keep-me-awake%e2%80%99/#comment-121918 Dan Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:38:01 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/?p=25393#comment-121918 Tomas, you can easily get a 1-2 year old Commodore for that much now anyway, thanks to their shocking depreciation. But yes, brand new is better than a falling apart 2 year old... ;) Tomas, you can easily get a 1-2 year old Commodore for that much now anyway, thanks to their shocking depreciation. But yes, brand new is better than a falling apart 2 year old… ;)

]]> By: Tomas79 http://www.caradvice.com.au/25393/gm-holden-boss-%e2%80%98inevitable%e2%80%99-job-losses-%e2%80%98keep-me-awake%e2%80%99/#comment-121915 Tomas79 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:26:47 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/?p=25393#comment-121915 With all these taxpayer funding of foreign owned companies, the government should write in a claus as part of the the assistance package! Stating that from now on, any australian taxpayer should be able to get a brand new commodore, for a round 10K!! With all these taxpayer funding of foreign owned companies, the government should write in a claus as part of the the assistance package! Stating that from now on, any australian taxpayer should be able to get a brand new commodore, for a round 10K!!

]]> By: Tomas79 http://www.caradvice.com.au/25393/gm-holden-boss-%e2%80%98inevitable%e2%80%99-job-losses-%e2%80%98keep-me-awake%e2%80%99/#comment-121914 Tomas79 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:22:36 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/?p=25393#comment-121914 You're right Dan. I too will hire up 2000 Bums, and get the government to give me a billion dollar contribution , otherwise i will have to let them all go!! You’re right Dan.
I too will hire up 2000 Bums, and get the government to give me a billion dollar contribution , otherwise i will have to let them all go!!

]]> By: Dan http://www.caradvice.com.au/25393/gm-holden-boss-%e2%80%98inevitable%e2%80%99-job-losses-%e2%80%98keep-me-awake%e2%80%99/#comment-121908 Dan Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:26:30 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/?p=25393#comment-121908 Yeah you're right Wheelnut. Hence my business plan would be to employ thousands of employees also for my sole trader business, where I know I would lose money, and ask the govt to prop me up so that those thousands don't lose their jobs. I think we're onto some brilliant taxpayer con here guys! :) The amount of money govt gives them, might as well pay these employees unemployment benefits... Yeah you’re right Wheelnut. Hence my business plan would be to employ thousands of employees also for my sole trader business, where I know I would lose money, and ask the govt to prop me up so that those thousands don’t lose their jobs. I think we’re onto some brilliant taxpayer con here guys! :)

The amount of money govt gives them, might as well pay these employees unemployment benefits…

]]> By: CB http://www.caradvice.com.au/25393/gm-holden-boss-%e2%80%98inevitable%e2%80%99-job-losses-%e2%80%98keep-me-awake%e2%80%99/#comment-121903 CB Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:43:36 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/?p=25393#comment-121903 The Realist Says: March 16th, 2009 at 9:32 am "It seems Holden is one of the only manufacturers on the planet foolish enough to spend so much money developing a car for such a small market." They do export, though every US venture has been poor. Wheelnut will say exports have been a huge success - so I'd question why there's been four years of losses? "People like Bret and yourself have no idea of how to run a business - the continual moaning about workers losing their jobs etc is hyberbole that covers up the fact that the business model is poor, and the return on tax payer investment will never good." Bret and Wheelnut are avid Holden lovers, which means they believe Holden's business model is better than Microsoft's. And Andrew M - well, what can I say, this guy drives a fluro coloured FG Falcon and couldn't answer why the G6E Turbo was so cheaply appointed compared to cars costing $20K less! The Realist Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 9:32 am
“It seems Holden is one of the only manufacturers on the planet foolish enough to spend so much money developing a car for such a small market.”

They do export, though every US venture has been poor. Wheelnut will say exports have been a huge success – so I’d question why there’s been four years of losses?

“People like Bret and yourself have no idea of how to run a business – the continual moaning about workers losing their jobs etc is hyberbole that covers up the fact that the business model is poor, and the return on tax payer investment will never good.”

Bret and Wheelnut are avid Holden lovers, which means they believe Holden’s business model is better than Microsoft’s.

And Andrew M – well, what can I say, this guy drives a fluro coloured FG Falcon and couldn’t answer why the G6E Turbo was so cheaply appointed compared to cars costing $20K less!

]]> By: The Realist http://www.caradvice.com.au/25393/gm-holden-boss-%e2%80%98inevitable%e2%80%99-job-losses-%e2%80%98keep-me-awake%e2%80%99/#comment-121902 The Realist Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:32:24 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/?p=25393#comment-121902 Andrew M Says: March 15th, 2009 at 3:06 pm "CB, you either deliberatly diverted from brets question or didnt comprehend what he was asking" Which question was that? The one about the "single locally developed car at contiual profits?" What continual profits? All I can see is four years of losses. And before that a few years of profits, but that's pretty poor considering the billions in handouts. It seems Holden is one of the only manufacturers on the planet foolish enough to spend so much money developing a car for such a small market. People like Bret and yourself have no idea of how to run a business - the continual moaning about workers losing their jobs etc is hyberbole that covers up the fact that the business model is poor, and the return on tax payer investment will never good. Andrew M Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
“CB,
you either deliberatly diverted from brets question or didnt comprehend what he was asking”

Which question was that? The one about the “single locally developed car at contiual profits?” What continual profits? All I can see is four years of losses. And before that a few years of profits, but that’s pretty poor considering the billions in handouts.

It seems Holden is one of the only manufacturers on the planet foolish enough to spend so much money developing a car for such a small market.

People like Bret and yourself have no idea of how to run a business – the continual moaning about workers losing their jobs etc is hyberbole that covers up the fact that the business model is poor, and the return on tax payer investment will never good.

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