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	<title>Comments on: Volkswagen Golf VI gets P-plate okay in NSW</title>
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		<title>By: FitzY</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/25350/volkswagen-golf-vi-gets-p-plate-okay-in-nsw/#comment-310466</link>
		<dc:creator>FitzY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many p platers do you know that could afford one off the bat? It&#039;s a posh wank jobs law that challenges the concept of the law they introduced, so what happens if Nissan decides it&#039;s new skyline is &quot;more efficient&quot; I mean its not even a legal term, it&#039;s a variable point. What&#039;s the set efficiancy? So would you prefer me to be in a 20yr old &quot;safe&quot; car when I&#039;m steering opposite your mrs and kids? If younger drivers could have a decent car they would probably get a loan and/or try buy something they want, as new as possible, unknowingly choosing something that&#039;s alot more of an advancement in the safety department, less pollution, sure you might see 20 silvias in a day but isn&#039;t that better than that pulsar with no resignator you keep hearing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many p platers do you know that could afford one off the bat? It&#8217;s a posh wank jobs law that challenges the concept of the law they introduced, so what happens if Nissan decides it&#8217;s new skyline is &#8220;more efficient&#8221; I mean its not even a legal term, it&#8217;s a variable point. What&#8217;s the set efficiancy? So would you prefer me to be in a 20yr old &#8220;safe&#8221; car when I&#8217;m steering opposite your mrs and kids? If younger drivers could have a decent car they would probably get a loan and/or try buy something they want, as new as possible, unknowingly choosing something that&#8217;s alot more of an advancement in the safety department, less pollution, sure you might see 20 silvias in a day but isn&#8217;t that better than that pulsar with no resignator you keep hearing?</p>
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		<title>By: TBSZ</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/25350/volkswagen-golf-vi-gets-p-plate-okay-in-nsw/#comment-157255</link>
		<dc:creator>TBSZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has got to stop P platers are targets and it a fault in society that it is that way. I&#039;m on my L&#039;s and usually drive an aurion or prado [4.0L] and i&#039;m well and trully safe on the road but suddenly I&#039;m going to get my P&#039;s and become a hoon yeah sure. Driver education not restriction. I have had more issues with 80+ individuals who can no longer control a car and change lanes without looking or indicating. What&#039;s changed from old times where you would have young drivers getting high powered cars and showing off. Hal you are joking this law has more flaws than a skyscraper in Dubai and should be removed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has got to stop P platers are targets and it a fault in society that it is that way. I&#8217;m on my L&#8217;s and usually drive an aurion or prado [4.0L] and i&#8217;m well and trully safe on the road but suddenly I&#8217;m going to get my P&#8217;s and become a hoon yeah sure. Driver education not restriction. I have had more issues with 80+ individuals who can no longer control a car and change lanes without looking or indicating. What&#8217;s changed from old times where you would have young drivers getting high powered cars and showing off. Hal you are joking this law has more flaws than a skyscraper in Dubai and should be removed.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/25350/volkswagen-golf-vi-gets-p-plate-okay-in-nsw/#comment-121866</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think from day 1 there should have been a deeper investigation into what cars should have been banned.
im a p-plater myself, and an enthusiast, and have a clean record. besides that, like many have mentioned the rta just hear turbo or supercharged or more than 6 cylinders and they say nup sorry.

it confuses me, and many, especially when the carsguide made the rta look stupid when discovery was made that a p-plater could not drive a 147kw golf gti, but could drive a 183kw golf r32. hence to say they werent thought out right.
not just that, but also theres a number of ways to counteract the laws. why is it obvious so many p-platers now drive hondas? (for some unknowing people, the honda vtec engines are capable of producing over 250kw of naturally aspirated power and still legal)

i mean i was annoyed when i found out you cant drive any safe car because well most of them are banned for p-platers. safety was intended first in taking away the cars, and well within the first year death tolls doubled.

its up to the individual driver to be able to make the right decision, and maybe those who are willing to be able to drive moderately powered, unmodified vehicles, to undertake a course subcontracted from the rta which demonstrates they can handle a car of greater power, because lets face it, even some experienced drivers cannot control the potential of their car. this way if a p-plater fails this test well it shows they cannot handle the car they want.

subsequently, the actions of a handfull of idiots ruined it for the rest of the responsible p-platers, and well because of more idiots who want to showoff to every retard they see, its brought about change for the current generation of learning drivers. it might work, it might not, but only time will tell, when we get out official road death toll statistics to see if making learners do 120hrs will be worth its while

just felt like i should have my say</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think from day 1 there should have been a deeper investigation into what cars should have been banned.<br />
im a p-plater myself, and an enthusiast, and have a clean record. besides that, like many have mentioned the rta just hear turbo or supercharged or more than 6 cylinders and they say nup sorry.</p>
<p>it confuses me, and many, especially when the carsguide made the rta look stupid when discovery was made that a p-plater could not drive a 147kw golf gti, but could drive a 183kw golf r32. hence to say they werent thought out right.<br />
not just that, but also theres a number of ways to counteract the laws. why is it obvious so many p-platers now drive hondas? (for some unknowing people, the honda vtec engines are capable of producing over 250kw of naturally aspirated power and still legal)</p>
<p>i mean i was annoyed when i found out you cant drive any safe car because well most of them are banned for p-platers. safety was intended first in taking away the cars, and well within the first year death tolls doubled.</p>
<p>its up to the individual driver to be able to make the right decision, and maybe those who are willing to be able to drive moderately powered, unmodified vehicles, to undertake a course subcontracted from the rta which demonstrates they can handle a car of greater power, because lets face it, even some experienced drivers cannot control the potential of their car. this way if a p-plater fails this test well it shows they cannot handle the car they want.</p>
<p>subsequently, the actions of a handfull of idiots ruined it for the rest of the responsible p-platers, and well because of more idiots who want to showoff to every retard they see, its brought about change for the current generation of learning drivers. it might work, it might not, but only time will tell, when we get out official road death toll statistics to see if making learners do 120hrs will be worth its while</p>
<p>just felt like i should have my say</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/25350/volkswagen-golf-vi-gets-p-plate-okay-in-nsw/#comment-121535</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the RTA website, P platers can still drive an Aurion, or Falcon which are roughly 7 second cars 0-100. Commodore isn&#039;t far behind. This was V8 territory in the &#039;80s!
If it wasn&#039;t for how common they are I&#039;d like them resticted too. 
Lost count of how many times I&#039;ve been cut off or screamed pass by a P plater in one of these cars.
Ok so it sucks if you are on your P plates, but the restrictions aren&#039;t forever. When you get your full licence you will be glad there are restrictions on P platers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the RTA website, P platers can still drive an Aurion, or Falcon which are roughly 7 second cars 0-100. Commodore isn&#8217;t far behind. This was V8 territory in the &#8217;80s!<br />
If it wasn&#8217;t for how common they are I&#8217;d like them resticted too.<br />
Lost count of how many times I&#8217;ve been cut off or screamed pass by a P plater in one of these cars.<br />
Ok so it sucks if you are on your P plates, but the restrictions aren&#8217;t forever. When you get your full licence you will be glad there are restrictions on P platers!</p>
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		<title>By: Triangle Rent a Car</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/25350/volkswagen-golf-vi-gets-p-plate-okay-in-nsw/#comment-121527</link>
		<dc:creator>Triangle Rent a Car</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Paul- it&#039;s really not so much the vehicle that is to blame...most of the time it&#039;s the person driving it who is doing so unsafely...people need to remember this..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Paul- it&#8217;s really not so much the vehicle that is to blame&#8230;most of the time it&#8217;s the person driving it who is doing so unsafely&#8230;people need to remember this..</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/25350/volkswagen-golf-vi-gets-p-plate-okay-in-nsw/#comment-121495</link>
		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly Paul - which is why the law should be repealed. either allow P-platers  to drive any car be it Turbo or supercharged or 4 6 or 8 cylinder etc or Ban them from driving all cars because its not the car that causes car accidents; it&#039;s the nut behind the wheel.

The govt will never be able to legislate against stupidity in an attempt to try and change peoples attitudes or thought processes etc.. as most P platers will always believe &quot;it will never happen to them their to skillful they will never be in a [fatal] accident etc

Which is why even advanced driver training isn&#039;t a good idea as people think - as it will only confirm their beliefs and give them even more false self confidence</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly Paul &#8211; which is why the law should be repealed. either allow P-platers  to drive any car be it Turbo or supercharged or 4 6 or 8 cylinder etc or Ban them from driving all cars because its not the car that causes car accidents; it&#8217;s the nut behind the wheel.</p>
<p>The govt will never be able to legislate against stupidity in an attempt to try and change peoples attitudes or thought processes etc.. as most P platers will always believe &#8220;it will never happen to them their to skillful they will never be in a [fatal] accident etc</p>
<p>Which is why even advanced driver training isn&#8217;t a good idea as people think &#8211; as it will only confirm their beliefs and give them even more false self confidence</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Maric</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/25350/volkswagen-golf-vi-gets-p-plate-okay-in-nsw/#comment-121475</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Maric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wheelnut:

I think it&#039;s more the fact that the Golf is one of the safest cars on the road.

It&#039;s a 5-star EuroNCAP and ANCAP car.

At the end of the day, it&#039;s excessive speed that kills, not too much power. You&#039;re just as likely to die hitting a tree at 160km/h in a vintage Commodore as you are in a V10 Lamborghini.

All of the cars you are &#039;allowed&#039; to drive as a P-plater are all capable of hitting things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wheelnut:</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s more the fact that the Golf is one of the safest cars on the road.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a 5-star EuroNCAP and ANCAP car.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, it&#8217;s excessive speed that kills, not too much power. You&#8217;re just as likely to die hitting a tree at 160km/h in a vintage Commodore as you are in a V10 Lamborghini.</p>
<p>All of the cars you are &#8216;allowed&#8217; to drive as a P-plater are all capable of hitting things.</p>
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		<title>By: Twilight</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/25350/volkswagen-golf-vi-gets-p-plate-okay-in-nsw/#comment-121468</link>
		<dc:creator>Twilight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>didn&#039;t finish...

all my mates got V6 or straight 6 utes, and are hoons! i hate driving with them... where as my car is a simple little 1.3L 55kw manual Starlet, and i LOVE driving it. 

its a simple formula and as a [P]-Plater i am in aggreeance!
[P] driver + too much power = STUPIDITY

just have a power limit like overseas. or even a displacement limit, like no cars exceeding 1800cc or something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>didn&#8217;t finish&#8230;</p>
<p>all my mates got V6 or straight 6 utes, and are hoons! i hate driving with them&#8230; where as my car is a simple little 1.3L 55kw manual Starlet, and i LOVE driving it. </p>
<p>its a simple formula and as a [P]-Plater i am in aggreeance!<br />
[P] driver + too much power = STUPIDITY</p>
<p>just have a power limit like overseas. or even a displacement limit, like no cars exceeding 1800cc or something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Twilight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twilight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anti-spam word &#039;impreza&#039; lol...

just for verification, i&#039;ve been told it is completely LEGAL for a [P]-Plater to drive any TurboDIESEL car, and illegal (for the time being and not including the new Golf) to drive a TurboPETROL car...

is this true? if so, why is everyone whining about exemptions for the 103TDi Golf VI? there shouldnt have to be one for the Diesel... 

ALL it boils down to, is that there should be Kilowatt restrictions, for instance, no [P]-Plate should drive a car that exceeds say... 130kw? no matter the torque figures. like, all of my friends have in-line 6 or V6</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anti-spam word &#8216;impreza&#8217; lol&#8230;</p>
<p>just for verification, i&#8217;ve been told it is completely LEGAL for a [P]-Plater to drive any TurboDIESEL car, and illegal (for the time being and not including the new Golf) to drive a TurboPETROL car&#8230;</p>
<p>is this true? if so, why is everyone whining about exemptions for the 103TDi Golf VI? there shouldnt have to be one for the Diesel&#8230; </p>
<p>ALL it boils down to, is that there should be Kilowatt restrictions, for instance, no [P]-Plate should drive a car that exceeds say&#8230; 130kw? no matter the torque figures. like, all of my friends have in-line 6 or V6</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/25350/volkswagen-golf-vi-gets-p-plate-okay-in-nsw/#comment-121461</link>
		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-(   ................................ 

*Looks for Andrews email address to bomb him him with spam :) *</description>
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