Pulled Over for Speeding? Dealing with the Police
30 Apr, 2007
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It has gotten so bad on Australian roads that many innocent everyday drivers are getting massive fines and losing their license due to the state government’s insistence on blaming Speed as the single factor for the road toll.
However, the issue has gotten so out of control that drivers are being pulled over for speeding without any merit. For the majority of us, being pulled over by a police officer is a very distressing event, you are unlikely to argue with the officer and under the circumstances you will most probably agree that there is a possibility that you were speeding.
Firstly, when you are pulled over for speeding, your conversation with the police officer is recorded, many drivers are not aware of this, but its a fact.
When a member of our team was recently pulled over for a speeding offense he did not commit, he followed a very simple guide in dealing with the Police officer and the matter is now going to court with the help of Scott from Speeding Fine Consultants.
We will be using that case (successful or not) as our study case, but in the mean time, we are going to run a series of articles outlining the different processes involved in fighting unfair speeding tickets.
In this article we focus on the basics of what you should and shouldn’t say when pulled over for speeding.
Article 1 : Pulled Over for Speeding? Dealing with the Police
Firstly remember that when you are pulled over and booked for Speeding, the Speeding Incident is ALLEGED and not Proven!
You will be asked a number of questions by the police who will be tape recording your conversation as soon as the incident occurs.
The first question usually asked is “Why were you Speeding?”
This question alone is a leading question which implies that you were speeding even though the incident is not proven. If you admit to speeding you may find it difficult to defend yourself in court later on. Remember that you are not under arrest and your only obligation is to present your driving license and registration.
“Why were you Speeding?”
“I was not Speeding Officer, I was sitting exactly on the posted speed limit”
Even if the officer persists in repeating this question and saying the speed detection equipment has shown that you were speeding, do not feel pressured into admitting to the alleged offence. The fact that you are even asked why you were speeding with the implication that you were speeding is an infringement of your civil rights.
Instead simply reply,
“I was not Speeding Officer and if your equipment says that I was then I believe it may be faulty.”
Understandably you may feel quite distressed as most people feel uncomfortable when being booked for speeding and being in the presence of a police officer often feels intimidating. Don’t let any feelings of intimidation get to you. It’s important for you to understand that many thousands of speeding fines issued are unfair fines and can be beaten in court.
It’s also important to realise that under the National Safety Committee Guidelines fixed Speed Cameras are only supposed to be used and implanted and operated in areas which are known to them as a “Black Spot” or High Accident areas. You can ask the police officer
“Why are you operating this speed detection device in this area? Is it a known black spot or high accident risk area?”
If you follow these basic guidelines you will stand a good chance of beating an unfair speeding fine in court should you wish to defend the infringement. The Justice system in Australia is there for all of us, not just the police.
You should not assume that the speed detection device used was working correctly, or that the device has been operated under the police guidelines. Instead stay calm, present your documents as requested, drive safely to your destination and deal with the matter through the legal system.
In most cases the police will insist on assuring you that their equipment is tested and accurate. Don’t let this constant bombardment put you off, and remember, the officer is simply after a confession, after a while he or she will simply hand out the infringement notice and you will be on your way.
If you believe you are a victim of an unfair speeding ticket, you may feel as though you are being singled out, which usually leads to a feeling of helplessness. However the reality is very different, the state governments are using Speed as an excuse for more revenue, you CAN beat an unfair ticket.
Don’t be a victim of the state government’s revenue raising agenda, your fine may only be a few hundred dollars but demerit points stay around for a three year period and you may eventually find yourself in a situation desperate for more points.
Speeding Fine Consultants provide assistance and a support service to thousands of motorists every year who have been issued with unfair speeding fines. Demerit Points on Australian Licenses and the loss of Australian Licenses can and does cause severe hardship to many people nationwide.
This is not a terrifying ordeal as Speeding Fine Consultants provide you with ALL of the information that you need to represent yourself. With a fixed fee of $370, the myth that it costs thousands and thousands of dollars to fight infringement notices is not true. Speeding Fine Consultants provide a free case assessment in the first instance to advise you of your chances.
Each case is assessed on its individual merits, no two cases are ever the same and cases are usually won based on a number of varying factors. Speeding Fine Consultants are here to help you save your license and beat your unfair Speeding Fine.
Further information about Speeding Fine Consultants and Scott Cooper can be found online at www.speedingfineconsultants.com
Please note, Car Advice is in no way affiliated with Speeding Fine Consultants, we are simply here to give advice to motorists at the receiving end of unfair speeding tickets, and we feel Speeding Fine Consultants to be the best choice.
Stay tuned for more articles and reports on our progress beating an unfair speeding ticket in court.
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April 30th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
Well written article,
I think its important for more drivers to call the police up on their ways,
Australia is sick of this money making rubbish, everyone is well aware that Speed cameras are there to raise revenue and not make the road safer,
we all need to protest our speeding tickets, if the numbers are high enough, the courts will get full of angry motorists, and perhaps the police service and gov will take notice.
Something needs to be done, this is a great first step.
Thanks again!
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April 30th, 2007 at 4:57 pm
I just wish more and more people would protest their tickets.
the state governments need to realize that we are all waking up to this great big lie that Speed Cameras save lives whilst they are lining their pockets with our hard earner cash.
It is such a shame the police are associated with this poor - revenue raising - image as they are the ones protecting our society from chaos.
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April 30th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
Should be pretty straight forward if your not speeding then dont worry! But before you go ahead and start protesting your rights to the cop make sure your car has no defects whatsoever(as a roadworthy might be in order) you dont have any form of drugs in the car(they will use any excuse such as “tip off”) etc to get a look in your car and the most important one of all Dont be pissed when they pull you over LOL.
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April 30th, 2007 at 7:09 pm
Most people already know this 280ZX. This situation clearly has happened to you in the past but telling people won’t make a good name for yourself. Just change your name so you don’t sound like the complete cocktard you are. Maybe try 350Z over 280ZX. Just make a fucking effort it really isn’t all that hard.
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April 30th, 2007 at 9:10 pm
To the dick who wrote Article 1:
You don’t appear smart enough to be giving credible advice on legal matters. Trying to procure people to lie to police is stupid (& and likely to be criminal).
Also, for your information, Police wouldn’t ask stupid leading questions anyway.
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April 30th, 2007 at 9:40 pm
I feel sorry for all you people that listen to the advise given and find it funny.
Will the person who posted the advise in regards to dealing with Police and fighting infringments pay for your court costs and legal representation if you use one when you loose.
Be aware that it is extremely difficult to prove that you were not speeding. It is very rare that people will win a court case regarding speeding.
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April 30th, 2007 at 9:57 pm
Actually it is not rare at all, people win cases all the time, based on many reasons,
the point of the article is for those who ARE innocent, not those who wish they were,
if you KNOW that you are innocent, it is worth fighting for your rights in the courts, no doubt about it.
We need MORE people to challenge unfair speeding tickets,
Also the FIRST question the cops ask when you’re pulled over IS “why were you speeding” this is a fact.
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April 30th, 2007 at 10:33 pm
Well actually it is rare. Excuses such as medical emergency may be justified, but then that is what ambulances are for. The common one is “Oh I didn’t know it was that speed.” Which is then careless driving on the idiot behind the wheel. Posted speeds are there for a reason, to try and cut down on speed related accidents. At the end of the day if you pay attention whilst griving and do the posted speed limits you wont recieve a speeding infringment.
You can call yourself innocent all you like. The fact of the matter is if peolple obey road rules there would be no accidents, unless it is a mechanical fault.
Idiots behind the wheel need to take responibilty for once.
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April 30th, 2007 at 10:38 pm
And can you please tell me what an unfair speeding fine is. If you are speeding you are speeding. Just like calling a cow a cow. It is what it is.
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April 30th, 2007 at 10:45 pm
Rob, you have to realize that Speed cameras and LIDAR is generally not THAT accurate,
it happens quite often that you are caught speeding when you are infact .. not speeding.
An unfair speeding ticket is much like being accused of doing something u didnt do,
As for the what the cops say first,
the last 2 times I’ve been pulled over, those were their exact words, perhaps its different from state to state!
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April 30th, 2007 at 10:48 pm
What Absolute rubbish!
this is a great article, all you idiots bad mouthing it because you have bought the governments “speed kills” bullsh!t need to wake up and realize you are all being taken for a ride.
This website has the guts to stand up and say otherwise, and I applaud them for that.
Its people like the ones above, that make governments believe they are getting away with it all, they are not.
Speed cameras DONT save lives.
Thank you for your article, I look forward to others in the future.
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April 30th, 2007 at 11:33 pm
In actuality all of us speed probably more than we think, it is just for short periods of time. It may be when we crest over a hill or head off after the light turns green but our speed often jumps over the limit if by only a few kilometres per hour but that is usually enough to warrant an infraction according to most states like mine in Victoria where we are only allowed 3 kms over the limit yet our speedometers are allowed a 10 percent error. Our speedometers may show us we are driving at 100 kph but we may actually be driving 10 kph over (a legal speedo error according to our government), more than 3 times the amount Victoria allows you to be over the limit. That is a pretty big conflict in my opinion.
The point is that these speed cameras are obviously a revenue driven scheme posing as a life saver. Studies show that we are no safer now with the speed cameras than before they were introduced.
My biggest concern is that we are spending so much time focusing on our speedometers that we are going to be spending less time focusing on the road and objects in front of us like people and other cars. I would bet that one reason we are not safer with the current speed rules is that we are much too distracted by our speedometers, causing more accidents. I was watching a program recently that showed a town in Europe that did away with speed signs. It found a reduction in accidents because people were much more focused on driving than speed. It also showed that the average speed per vehicle went down because people drove according to the conditions instead of trying to drive the speed limit and a little bit over.
I say lets get our politicians out of our pockets and focusing on truly trying to improve our roads based on good research. But how do you surgically remove a politician from revenue? Is there a surgeon skilled enough?
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April 30th, 2007 at 11:43 pm
I visited this site tonight after seeing it on Today Tonight. I was looking for an informative site to assist me in my research for a new car. After reading the article “Pulled Over for speeding? Dealing with the police” I have decided that this visit will be last.
Before I continue I would like to disclose that I am a police officer. Oddly enough issuing traffic tickets is not the main activity that I would undertake during the average shift. I have issued a number of them over the years though, and feel that I am reasonable educated and sufficiently experienced to make some comments about the article.
If the public are encountering a feeling of being uncomfortable when in the presence of a police officer, as is suggested in the article, then there is something wrong with those people. I don’t think that the last victim of an assault or perhaps the home owner targeted in a burglary felt uncomfortable being in my presence, and I actually hope that my presence and actions assisted them in dealing with being the victim of a crime. If you are nervous after being stopped by police for a traffic matter, then may I be so bold to suggest that you address whatever your problems are via counselling, and stop trying to shift the blame to police.
The author also cites the usual ‘revenue rasing’ line that gets flung around these types of articles. I have a suggestion that may be a little audacious, but instead of issuing fines, I believe that the drivers licence of the person should simply be suspended. The article does begin to address the issue of demerit points, and states: “…the loss of Australian licences can and does cause severe hardship to many people nationwide”, but fails to highlight the social costs involved in traffic accidents which occur each and EVERY day around this country.
The article goes on to advertise that for a fixed fee of $370 Speeding Fine Consultants will provide you with assistance. $370!!! Oops, here comes that ‘revenue raising’ phrase again. The article attempts to disassociate CarAdvice.com.au from the afore mentioned organisation, but you will have to do better than that.
Alborz, when I speak to drivers the first question I ask is not “why were you speeding”. You stating that this is “a fact” is incorrect. I would like to ask you what qualifications and/or experience you have to state in your post: “Speed cameras and LIDAR is generally not THAT accurate”.
Mr Jones, despite what you may think about the “Speed Kills” slogans that Governments use, I can assure you, Sir, that from my experiences in attending to traffic accidents that speed (and following distances) are the most frequent contributor to the accident. Driver attention is a close runner-up, and if the vehicle was travelling at a more appropriate speed and following distance for the circumstances, then the accident would be less likley to have occurred.
Finally, I would like to agree with the author on one point. Speed is not the single factor in the road toll. Drivers usually only have to prove their competence in driving a motor vehicle once in thier lifetime. They can then allow their competence to drop to a standard far below what other road users ought to expect. Driver competence needs to improve!
I have to prove my comptence to use a firearm every 6 months. LIDAR is every 12 months. And the LIDAR is checked EVERY shift for accuracy against a known standard. How often do you check your tyre air pressure, let alone your speedometer for accuracy?
I do not intend to return to this site. This article is the cuase of that.
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April 30th, 2007 at 11:54 pm
Benny, thank you for your input, its a shame if you do not return, we are always in need of opinions from the otherside, that is what makes a good debate.
this website is completely unrelated to the site in question.
furthermore,
firstly, the article is referring to average everyday people being pulled over for speeding, you obviously dont feel this way, but for most of us, a police officer is rather intimidating, specially when he is handing you a traffic infringement
secondly, I agree, drop the fines and go hard on the points, that way people might believe that its not a revenue raising agenda
thirdly, as I mentioned, every single time i have been pulled over, that has been the first line i’ve heard from the police
fourthly, countless studies have shows complete inaccuracy for speed guns meeting international standards, you simply need to google this to find out
and most importantly, as mentioned, vehicle ADR rules give a 10% chance of inaccurate reading on speed for the speedometers, and whilst this will cause a person to believe they are not speeding whilst they might me, you can see how this is unfair!
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May 1st, 2007 at 12:47 am
Alborz Im in W.A. we dont use Lidar here. And unless you have manufacture notes on the Lidar system or you are a qualified technican your info and comments are other wise useless. I dont know what state you are from but in W.A. they give an 8km/hr over before you get flashed to account for speedometers being out and to account for those people who are unable to keep an eye on their speed. And to comment on what all Police say when you have only been stopped twice, I find to be quite bold, wouldn’t you. However I do agree drop the fines and take away more demerit points.
And Michael if you did tests on a speedo in a new vehicle you will proberly find that it in fact reads higher that the speed you are really doing, so in fact you are actually going slower. Oh yeah and if glancing at your speedo for an instant second takes your concerntration from your driving you shouldn’t be driving.
MrJones your just a dick, I wont bother.
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May 1st, 2007 at 12:54 am
DON’T SPEED YOU WONT GET A FINE…….. SIMPLE. You can cry about it all you like it is not going to change. Live with it. Move on. Life wasn’t meant to be fair.
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May 1st, 2007 at 1:04 am
Rob its obvious we are not going to agree
so lets waste no more time arguing
I do appreciate your input though
people do have different opinions and you have to respect that
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May 1st, 2007 at 8:41 am
Message for Damo Lamo, when was the last time you got pulled over?? I mean you do drive dont you? I just ask as you have written so much on so many cars i was sure you owned a whole fleet? So can you tell us all how many years driving experience you have just so i know im dealing with someone who actually knows how to drive? Oh yeah and the comments i wrote above were tongue in cheek you F*(&**^ing nimrod!
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May 1st, 2007 at 9:59 am
can we try to have a productive discussion please? I agree with you Alborz, it’s great to see a cop on the site.
I know that in Victoria at least, speeding fines are used to prop up the state budget. and some may argue that it isn’t revenue raising, but I think that much money has a very powerful influence on a politicians mind when he/she decides to lower the tolerance to 3km/h.
but heres the rub. if you stick to the limit, you won’t get a fine. I have been driving for 7 years now, I drive over 100km a day and I have had one speeding fine. just one. I have seen plenty of cameras, but at the time I got caught, I was speeding, in a 60 zone at night in a busy area. there was no justification for it at all. I deserved to get caught, the limit is in place because people speed all the time, and the faster you go, the less time you have to react when something goes wrong. and if you do hit something, the damage and injuries will be worse. speed doesn’t cause accidents by itself, but it does make them worse.
do you honestly think that if we got rid of all the signs and the cameras people would slow down? this is a very difficult concept for me to understand. when I am in traffic, I can and do get the finger or a beep for staying at the limit! Australians aren’t good enough drivers to be allowed free reign, we all think we are but honestly the training most of us have is pathetic. the speed limit is in place to protect all of us.
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May 1st, 2007 at 9:04 pm
Calm down 280 (if that is your real name, which it clearly isn’t). You don’t need to get all worked up because your car had a few heating issues. Tongue in cheek? You’ve already admitted it so don’t bother denying it because it won’t work. Your a bit of a joke really, much like nissan at the moment. I was just having a little stab at you but obviously you cannot take it. Driving a car like your name states I wouldn’t exactly blame you. Now just go off and have a little fun and join some silvia site I hear they go for your type. Good day to you.
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May 2nd, 2007 at 4:27 am
While i am NOT a sucker for pain, i DON’T mind getting stopped and booked by police.I want the personalised service.
Where i DO mind is getting them in the mail, same fine but NO one to one service, that suxs!
Having said that i have never beat a police issued ticket, but camera ones yes, DONT ask!
I just accept if for the simple fact for the amount of time i speed vs the tiny amount of tickets recieved, its a fair trade off really.
[ie 225km/h no ticket, 64km/h fined!]
Cheers
O/A
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May 2nd, 2007 at 12:43 pm
First off, I will declare that I am a Police officer. My issue with this supposed informative article is the usual mixing of Fixed Speed cameras in with Radar and Lidar, any mention of these devices together immediately tells me that (especially THIS article) the writer has not done their research or is being disengenuous with their knowledge to try and make their point.
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the mention of ” National Safety Committee Guidelines fixed Speed Cameras are only supposed to be used and implanted and operated in areas which are known to them as a “Black Spot” or High Accident areas. You can ask the police officer
“Why are you operating this speed detection device in this area? Is it a known black spot or high accident risk area?” ”
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I would love to hear this question come out of the mouth of a motorist. The very simple answer would be that I am not using a FIXED SPEED CAMERA. This line thrown into the article whilst also decrying the use of Radar and Lidar is proof to me either of poor research, or extremely poor ethics in reporting. police radar and Lidar are not subject to this ‘black spot’ requirement that has been mentioned in regard to FIXED SPEED CAMERAS. Whether people want to believe it or not, it would be extremely rare (but I admit NOT impossible) to be incorrectly booked for speeding using either Radar or Lidar (definitely impossible[if device functioning properly]). Correctly used radar and Lidar are checked at the beginning and end of each shift, and in NSW at least operators undergo an extensive course. I know that many people don’t think they were speeding when we stop them. Why ? because when they have spotted us, and we are about to pull them over, they have already lifted off the accellerator and started to brake before even glancing at their speedo, which by now is showing a lower reading than what we would already have detected them at. This is particularly true of Lidar. lidar is the absolute most accurate of all the speed measurement devices used by police, and least prone to errors. (if you believe any media reporting, even TT in the past has said, ‘if you get done by one of those, you’re gone[or words to that effect]).
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Anyway to finish up. In NSW, if stopped by hwy patrol, the first thing they will likely do is tell you who they are and where they are from, and that you are being recorded. (We are not asking you, we are TELLING you) We will tell you why you have been stopped, and ask you for a reason for your actions. That is not trying to illicit a confession. we are telling you why we have stopped you, we are asking why you did what we are alleging. It’s very simple.
It seems that many people are suggesting that we should not enforce speed limits. Are you serious ? is it okay for people to do 90-100 in 50 zones in residential streets ??? based on comments here, and people I stop for such offences it seems so. Many people throw out the old, “but what about the person who was tailgaiting me back on [insert road here]”, “what about the person who didn’t indicate back at [insert location here]”. guess what such people as those (the tailgaters, the non indicators etc.) say. “i wasn’t speeding”. then of course there is always the requisite, “go catch a real criminal” or similar. Speeders come in all ages, in all manner of vehicles. Many must realise later that they did do the wrong thing, as i rarely end up in court, and those that do end up in court, usually have more than one speeding fine on their record. Anyway, the BS also mentioned about people having to constantly look at their speedos is just that, BS. A properly engaged and attentive driver should be able to scan the road ahead (and for crying out loud PAST the bonnet), check rear view mirrors, and occasionally glance at the speedo. Anyone with correct vision, and any idea about peripheral vision, not to mention knowing how their car drives should have no problem driving to prevailing road conditions, including (if appropriate) the speed limit. While I agree in some instances that the Government message of ‘Speed kills’ is poorly communicated. I KNOW that INAPPROPRIATE spped kills and injures. That message though is far too complicated for the majority of motorists who drive around treating there two ton plus hunk of metal as a mobile lounge room, where they switch their brains off and don’t concentrate on the task at hand. the task at hand when driving is just that. DRIVING. anything else should be secondary. Conversation with passengers, fine, but not involved convoluted discusssions that distract you. fiddling with the radio and/or cd etc. WAKE UP. And of course talking or texting on the mobile while driving. Even a hands free can be distracting if involved in long drawn out discussions. Inattention is the biggest problem on the road. It just happens that it often leads to speeding.
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Oh and in NSW, we don’t have the draconian 3km/h BS that Victoria has. Most NSW Hwy patrol are MORE than generous with 10% PLUS. As for fixed speed cameras in NSW it would at least be 10%.
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I have an answer for the road toll, and it not dropping since the time indicated. IMMIGRATION.
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July 3rd, 2007 at 4:57 pm
If speeding is the major contributing factor in majority of road accidents, then why has revenue from speeding increased and why has the raod toll continued to increase as well? and not decrease? the proof seems to be in front of us!?
I have had rude, arrogant police when pulled over for any reason and i’ve also had considerate and polite police, all comes down to what individual copper you get sometimes.
I also know that there are ‘unofficial’ targets set when fixed speed cameras are set up in relation to revenue for that set up period.
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July 3rd, 2007 at 6:01 pm
I agree with most of what you have said ‘Ch!p’ to some extent… but:
“Anyway, the BS also mentioned about people having to constantly look at their speedos is just that, BS. A properly engaged and attentive driver should be able to scan the road ahead (and for crying out loud PAST the bonnet), check rear view mirrors, and occasionally glance at the speedo.”
Placing such an emphasis on speeding DOES make you look down at your speedo more and potentially focus less on the road. Going past a fixed camera you look at it religiously. Going past a cop you look at it more. On double demerit weekends you look at it more.(And the new p-plate laws will make them look at it even more, drivers who might not have the skills to concenctrate 100% on both at the same time!). Further evidence is seen in some cars like the Honda Civic, which now have the speedo higher up so its more in the line of sight of drivers, thats enough for me to say people do have to look down more… which would mean your less focused on the road! And it only takes a split second for something to happen, without your full attention, and an incident occurs… all because we place such an empahsis on ’speeding’ which statistically is misreprented when it comes to causes of crashes.
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July 3rd, 2007 at 7:15 pm
Speeding Fines – What you really need to know. This 65 page book released into the Australian market details everything you need to know about speed detection, speeding fines, speed cameras and their associated laws and exactly how to use this information to your benefit.
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July 4th, 2007 at 10:03 am
I do several trips down to Melbourne from Sydney a year - usually on long weekends (double demerits). Until recently, all the cars i’ve driven have not had cruise control fitted.
Having just done the trip last month in my “new” car with cruise control, I have to say that it was sooo much less tiring. I could watch the road the whole time, instead of worrying that I might be going 2-3KM/H over the limit (in VIC).
It’s great to be able to just cruise past the highway patrol cops on cruise control, knowing that I don’t even need to look at the speedo.
The whole focus on “speeding” on long trips certainly does add to the fatigue factor, as far as i’m concerned.
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July 16th, 2007 at 9:08 pm
o.k. I fully agree with all speeding related issuses. we have all been dumb enough to speed… everyone here has lived to tell the story… the hard and cold facts are you speed you run the risk of never seeing your family , friends or loved ones ever again… it will never effect you personally as you may be dead otherwise you could be killing someone elses child/ children… but here is what happened to me… about 15 months ago i lost my liscence for speeding 45 km over the speed limit NO denying it It was late at night and i was rushing to get home…. i dont know the exact speed but apparantly that was it … i own a hottet up car and lost my liscence for 12 mths… fair deal i know i was speeding and im on my p’s. ….. i got my liscence back about 2 months ago …. and guess what …. I was caught speeding again…. this time i know i wasnt speeding …. i didnt even see the officer so i didnt need to worry about slowing down and i was very conscience of the speeds i was doing…. i saw the police lights behind me so i pulled over to the side of the road to allow him to pass …. i thought he was after someone else…. go figure…. it took me a few seconds and i pulled over . the officer got out of the car and said exactly as afore mentioned .. who he is where from recording etc… then he hit me with do you realise you were speeding .. i answered honestly with no… his exact words were ” dont give me that bullshit ” my jaw nearly hit the ground after that he said you were travelling at 94 in a 60 zone. !!!
I know i may sound like b/s but i know i wasnt speeding the road i was travelling had two roundabouts with a 1km stretch between them there were cars in front and behind and for my to be doing that speed would be impossible for me to not know… i dont know anything about radar or lidar or any of those things but i know what i know.. believe me or dont believe me i dont care …. either way i am resigned to another 6mths with out driving i will lose my job i just started and because i live in a semi rural area i wont be able to work until then …. but i tell you now I hope they are as accurate in saving lives as you say and i hope my loss of employment isnt an error caused by the radar either being out … you know a funny thing just crossed my mind… a question ,,,,, i play indoor cricket and sometimes the radar picks players running rather than the ball speed …. even though it is fixed…. is it possibl for a radar to mistake a bird for a car… i dont know but i know i wasnt speeding …. PLEASE DONT SPEED you will save your own life or mine when im driving i was stupid once but its all it takes… and to the police officers … us p platers have a lot to learn but we will never learn if we dont make mistakes … and to the government…. if only we knew the real conscequinces of speeding … you have a program that the revenue raised in these courses ….. could you make better use of the money by putting p,platers through this course a manditory befor going to green p’s or even from l;s to p’s im sure it even if you save one life with it is all worth it…..
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September 4th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
Speed does not kill.. the facts to confirm that are easy to come by .. in fact only 5% of road accidents are related to speed. only driver education will lower the road toll and make the roads safer. the government is conditioning us into believing all this rubbish with our hard earned money through relentless advertising and a shameful waste of tax payers money. what about the other 95% of road accidents? do they really expect us to believe we can have a zero road toll? Never will that day come. how many more millions of dollars will they waste to keep the road toll at its present level. Stand up to the system that is meant to “serve US” not “condemn us”. the remarks on this post about facing the police are an excellent idea. but you wont have to go to all that trouble if you are armed with the correct information .. go here to learn a proven method and not paying the fines and standing up to this money grabbing www.howtodot.com
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September 17th, 2007 at 11:57 am
Hi, Interesting coments on both sides. Current serving police officers are duty bound to support the current speed enforcement system. They will say it is accurate, fair and there is no quota system or similar. But as I have observed with 8 former police officers as friends that once they leave the force they have all stated that radar is not always accurate, they hated the constant pressure to book or only target speeding motorists. Also 3 of them even told me how they set up and used radar to get false readings. Naturally the readings were higher.
Can radar and laser guns give false readings? Yes, thats why they have to be used in strict accordance to operational guidelines to minimise false readings. Can police officers give tickets when they know the reading is false? Yes, this is proven over and over again in court. Do police use the same high reading over and over again through their shift? Yes. There have been many cases where several motorists have been issued with tickets one after the other, all with the same speed and distance away readings. This only comes to light when 2 or more motorists contact the same legal or motoring body for advice and the connection is made. Unfortunatly the motorists who just paid up didn’t get the fine back or points re-instated.
As for the old chestnut, If you don’t speed you’ve got nothing to worry about, Crap. With the growing number of vehicles with gps tracking being booked and then shown by the tracking records that they were not speeding proves this out.
In the USA, UK and some european countries police cars have video recording devices, as seen from tv police shows. Why have video? Because it significantly reduces false bookings and verifies correct bookings. The technology is available to have video recording on radar/laser guns as well. Video recording clearly shows the validity of the booking and would greatly reduce legal challenges. So why arn’t video recording devices installed in australia? Because it will significantly reduce the number of tickets issued. It is not cost as the cost is minimal compared to the fines currently raised.
This last fact proves many tickets are false and that speed enforcment is primarily revenue raising.
This happened to me, I was travelling in a 90 zone with a police car very close behind me. Approaching a cross road (I had right of way) I anticipated a car was not going to stop but just pull straight out. I slowed and sewerved behind it. The cop car skidded sideways and also went dehind it. What did the cop do? Came up behind me flashed and pulled me over. Put me on the bag, did license and rego check as well. I asked why I was pulled over having avioded an accident and not the other driver, “luck you weren’t speeding isn’t it”.
Sums up pig mentality to road safety.
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October 3rd, 2007 at 7:16 am
My husband drives truck, here in the U.S., his CDL’s is our income.It’s the same here, He knows he was going the speed limit when he was radared for goin over 26 miles of the the required speed limit. He knows this because he had cruise control set and he frequently looks at his speedometer. He was pulled over almost 2 thousand miles from where we live. How do we fight this. The cops aren’t supposed to make such critiical mistakes that destroys their own countries families. But then again our country seems not to care about families anymore anyhow.
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January 31st, 2008 at 8:06 pm
I have just one ?, If police can use mobile phones while driving and we can’t, are they better drivers than us.
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March 22nd, 2008 at 11:51 pm
I was pulled over in the inner west of Sydney yesterday because I was using a mobile phone and the the officer told me he had ICV footage of me using the phone. I was not even aware this technology is out there.
Anything for them to make more money I suppose..
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April 23rd, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Well 99.9% of the time if you get pulled over you are speeding.That Victorian police use a 3kp/h over the limit as the standard is stupidity. A 10% factor is fair. What bugs me the most is the attitude of certain police. I find the young ones are out to prove a point, lack basic curtesy and treat you as an idiot. Being 62 years of age does not help me accept this sort of attitude. I find the older cop to be more polite and easier to deal with. Nobody likes being pulled over and its only natural that the driver when confronted with the law feels uncomfortable.
Police should realise this and if they are polite they will find the vast majority of motorists will be more relaxed and co operative.Its not only words they use but their manner, voice tone etc. One young cop in particular when he pulled me over was agressive in his words, body language, voice tone it really got my back up. Of course if you are spoken to in this sort of way you tend to reply the same way. In the end I took his name, number date time and told him I would be reporting him for his overaggresive manner.I did report him but but guess he was never spoken to about it.
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