Comments on: Holden Epica – Don’t like it? Bring it back! If you can

By: Me.

Me. — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:59:02 +0000

The….
Every
Piece
Is
Coming
Apart Is not that good after all.

By: Watto_Cobra

Watto_Cobra — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 05:50:01 +0000

Yes I saw those results in Royal Auto. I had zero faith in the quality of the Epica before that. Now…..

By: Non-Bogan

Non-Bogan — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:29:46 +0000

anyone seen australia’s best cars car of the year awards? Epicrap got 17th in its class. Good one Holdenwoo, haha.

By: me again

me again — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:00:38 +0000

true u may never buy the perfect car….but why not strive to get as close as you can…

By: the UN

the UN — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:59:06 +0000

adsGsxr2007 you have taken the wrong approach to this… your opinions….fair enough, but dont just get pissed off at people for not liking a corporations moves…. or accuse people u dont know of not knowing how to drive….. what do u want…to sweep the publics opinion under the rug…for holden to say shut up we dont care what u think ur stupid u get the cars we give u….thats crap…. peoples feedback should be embraced by manufactorers…. and yes i plan to build a car of my own…and i would like to see how u handle a car if ur so cocky……… game on

By: Jack Yan

Jack Yan — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:45:29 +0000

Marcello: and you know, Tosca stands for ‘Tomorrow Standard Car’. Not ‘Tomorrow Superb Car’. Daewoo wasn’t really aiming high. Just Standard. Not Special.

Holden? Standard? Special? Haven’t I heard that somewhere before?

By: Jack Yan

Jack Yan — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:42:33 +0000

I think it took guts for John Lindsay and Holden to come on to a blog where the product was being bagged and give its side. Good on you, John. I might not like the Tosca but I respect you coming here and clarifying your company’s position.

Just to follow another point in the original post, about the Tosca’s safety. Remember that the Tosca is basically a development of the Daewoo Leganza, on the old V100 platform. The Leganza, from memory, was not as safe as it could be. Even in Australia (see http://www.aaa.asn.au/ncap/PDF%20Docs/leganz99.htm), it rated two stars. Its V200 successor, the Daewoo Magnus, was found to be one of the least safe cars tested by the NHTSA when it was sold as the Suzuki Verona in the US: ‘The Suzuki Verona received the lowest rating in driver-side frontal crash tests among passenger cars for the 2005 model year.’

The Tosca—V250 in Daewoo-speak, which means a revised, second-phase V200—might not have been tested yet, but I am not confident that it scores as well as the Opel Vectra C. Holden remains mum on the results, yet I thought GMH or GMDAT tested all their cars and should have some indication of its safety.

Call me a cynic, but I think those results will be held back while Holden pushes as many Toscas as possible. Then, when independent results come out, the brand will take a greater nose-dive.

By: Joe

Joe — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:30:55 +0000

Maybe this is a good thing for Holden…they have smoked fords sales for so long (i know there are exceptions…but seriously they have) and maybe they have almost got to a point where they can give us a below expectations car and still have people defend it to death that it is better than its fords rivals…. now ford is off to a conservative start with nothing particularly bold in its line up… but it has jumped majorly in quality ride and saftey while still being great value… so now it could be holdens turn to try and pull something out to match ford… just as ford will be trying to do with the Orion… im guessing 380 style sales and reponse for the Epica…which is sad, but at least they haven’t soiled the vectras good name like they did with the barina… so maybe the vec will be making a comeback in the future… please no more korean rebadge jobs… Australia is not ready to suffer them and their reputation is compost and it will take a miricle to change that, even though the phrase Jap crap has in reality gone for good… korea will have just as much work to do to shake their reputation. North America GM should give GMH a little more to work with… why there are non of those toranas on the road is to much for me to understand, and its not profit, cause exports would solve that….. i dont know really Australias car manufactoring future is to up in the air for my liking

By: Marcello

Marcello — Tue, 29 May 2007 01:49:59 +0000

Build my own car you say? done that…
Want a car with everything, not likely, I’d give anything for the “driver assists” on my VT to be off permanently, they are there for people who can’t drive around corners or park and have no idea how rain, oil and sand affect traction.
I’m looking forward to getting back in my 5 litre EFI V8 UC Sunbird with no driver assists except a steering wheel, brake, clutch and accelerator pedal, and a lever thingamy to change the gears MANUALLY. Oh it has a fan too, for the windscreen demister/heater, and a nice Radio, thats all the mod cons it has.

Now may I please go back to whinging about less than adequate Korean imports posing as Holdens? Infact any cheap less than adequate import posing as something it’s not… Ford have done it too….Except they mostly stuck with Mazdas which are better than Daewoos…. well that’s my opinion anyway.

Suppose I should get back to work then.

By: adsGsxr2007

adsGsxr2007 — Fri, 25 May 2007 13:18:14 +0000

You are a bunch of jerks, have you ever heard of the saying, bad press even sells, slag holden off all you want, you will never buy your perfect car, off the show room floor, there is no such thing as the perfect car, holden make good cars as well as all the other car Manufacturers, they all look as boring as each other these days, you tintops want a car with everything, go and build one yourself, or just a thought learn how to drive one first. Also there is no true ausie car manufacturers, and with out the Governments help, overseas cars,is all Australia would have but thousands of jobs would be lost, so whats more important winging, about why Australian car manufacturers cant be better than overseas ones, or getting behind what is suppose to be Australian, keeping jobs here, so called Ausie cars are just as good as the imports, but cant say the same for the drivers who spend alot of money on new cars only to drive them, like shit, grow up, tintops, and stop winging

By: Mufti

Mufti — Wed, 23 May 2007 12:10:05 +0000

This car is more Australian than the Commodore

By: Marcus

Marcus — Wed, 23 May 2007 11:57:20 +0000

It was time to trade in the 5 year old Magna this week. I spoke to a friend of mine and he recommended I look at the Holden Epica as I told him I didn’t want to spend anymore than $28 grand a new car.
Paid a visit today to our local Holden dealer and can very happily anounce I have ordered a new Epica.
The whole car is great value for money and definitely the best medium sized car under $30 grand.

By: Lazybones

Lazybones — Mon, 21 May 2007 13:15:39 +0000

Now after reading the links from Marcello, and doing my best to translate Korean. There appears to be an LPG Version of this car. But no LPG in the Holden lineup.

By: Alan Watson

Alan Watson — Mon, 21 May 2007 10:30:38 +0000

As you can see in the commercial, the Holden boys drank a lot of grog before they bought a shipload of these.

If they offer you a drink in the showroom… say no.

By: Rick Harris

Rick Harris — Mon, 21 May 2007 09:31:30 +0000

Another Daewoo for Holden. When will it end. Of course you all know why ……….. they wasted 1 Billion Dollars on the catch-up Commodore. i drove a Captive 3 weeks ago………..all i can say is ………crap !!!!!! Are people stupid enough to believe this is a Holden? It drove like a cheap Korean car, felt like a cheap Korean car and after going around some corners at a reasonable speed i thought I was going to die in a cheap Korean car !!!!!!

By: ROBSTA

ROBSTA — Sat, 19 May 2007 06:48:49 +0000

BLOODY LOVE THE INTERION, I HOPE THE NEW FALCON WILL SOMEHOW ADAPT TO IT, AS FOR IT BEATING THE EPICA! IS THAT EVEN A FAIR CONTEST, LET THE EPICA BATTLE IT OUT WITH THE LANCERS AND THAT, THAT MONDEO HAS BETTER INTERIOR THAN THE MERC C SERIER AND BMW 3 SERIES NOT THAT THE BEAMERS INTERIOR IS ANY GOOD BY IT’S JUST TO SAY THAT IT IS ALOT MORE CLASSIER THAN ALL OF THE ABOVE, LETS HOPE FALCON CAN DO A SHOW STOPPER LIKE THIS 1!!!!

By: Godzilla

Godzilla — Sat, 19 May 2007 05:22:08 +0000

How come all of your think Holden is more Australian than Toyota Australia? Guess what, knowing that a Toyota is Made in Australia and be exported to overseas will do much more to Australian Auto industry than what Holden offers. There are some patriotic Holden fans out there and only those who will continuing buying gas guzzling Holden produts.

By: Devil's Advocate

Devil's Advocate — Fri, 18 May 2007 08:16:54 +0000

Quote from Mike: The Aurion only has 5 extra kilowatts then the Commodore SV6, if you are going to argue that, I might aswell say the SV6 has 4Nm of torque. :end quote

The SV6 may have 4Nm more torque, but don’t forget, the Commodore is a BIG “tub of lard” compared to the Aurion. EG Aurion Sportivo SX6 Auto 1555kg tare, Commodore SV6 Auto 1735kg. That 180kg (2 extra passengers in the 80s etc, only one now!) would more than cancel out the 4Nm of Torque. Downside for being such a strong car not using more high tech steels et al due to cost.

By: Marcello

Marcello — Fri, 18 May 2007 03:02:10 +0000

This link will take you to the real car behind the facade that is Holden Epica, not much of an Epic, but more of a Daewoo Tosca….. reminds me of a range of travel goods…. that’s it… it’s really a suitcase with wheels and an engine, probably handles the same, time will tell.

http://www.gmdaewoo.co.kr/gmmc.....=brandpage

The above is a link from this page: http://www.gmdaewoo.co.kr/kor/index.jsp

Ciao

By: Sam™

Sam™ — Thu, 17 May 2007 14:27:26 +0000

^ and what a better market it will be when ford does finally come around