Dude, I didn’t. ZoomZoom did! Totallly unrelated to anything in this article either.

And ZoomZoom, the only ignorant one here is yourself. You have… no idea. Let’s leave it at that. And as far as ‘claims’ go, I am only repeating what you have admitted in the past.

Back on topic. Nightshifter, I agree with your statement. They are very good at copying stuff. Anything from intercoolers to designer handbags. The amount of ‘fakes’ you can obtain from there, at a decent and improving quality is a testament to their ability to reproduce and imitate items designed by others. It certainly is a good news about the imroved safety of the BS, not that at the moment it is anything to brag about, being only 3 stars. But at least we can take comfort in the fact that they are an intelligent nation after all, and hopefully if/when their cars do arrive on our shores, they will meet the current safety standards at the very least. And at the end of the day, the more competition the better.

I would be curious to know how the rest of the Chinese car manufacturers are going at the moment. From what I read in the past, Brilliance (they should really change that name)is only one chinese car manufacturer, and there are at least 20 others.

I can’t see the Chinese taking too long to achieve what the Koreans are doing today if they are determined to do so.

And you would know that how, may I ask? Your mum drives a Mazda 3. You’re 16 and just going through your L plates. You don’t own, and never have owned a beemer or a lexus, let alone driven one. I have owned both. Yet you’re somehow an ‘expert’ who thinks he has a valid opinion? Go back do your homework, you’re just a teenager.

Its the same as how Lexus still can’t match the germans.

No.”

No it wasn’t. But do you get the point? Of course you do, but you have no rebuttal to it, so best to pick on words than address the question, isn’t it.

Bavaria, I am still yet to see any successful cars produced and sold in segments other than the cheap econobox segment. Genesis coupe? Can I go to a dealership now and buy one? No? Has it been a sales success? You can’t buy one yet, so how can it be? Catch my drift? Go into any Korean car dealership, and point out a ‘successful’ car. And then let me know what category they belong to. I’ll save you the hassle now, and tell you they are all in the lower end econobox territory. Please don’t bring any prototypes, or soon to be released cars into the equation. I remember when the first Hyundai Grandeur first came out back in 1999 or whatever. There was this big frenzy about it how it’s so good, and how it will conquer the market. Good thing I didn’t hold my breath for that one… What are the chances this won’t happen again? The FACT is, Koreans can do cheap econobox cars very well. It’s a credit to them, and I congratulate them for it. There is obviosuly a need for these cars, and they are kicking everybody else’s bottom in that segment. If that to you means that I am ‘devaluing’ them as you claim, than I am sorry for you misinterpretation, perhaps you do have a problem with your reading…

Oh dear. Was that really the first car?

No.

You state “I even acknowledged their success in the lower end of the market, namely the econobox market” You devalue them buy continuing on with comments like these.”Have they done any proper successful luxury cars lalely? Attempts were made. Failures were awarded.”

Awards arent passed to failures ,you simply didnt think it deserved the award ,get used to it cause it the start of many more quality cars to come from Hyundai in that department,take a look at the Genesis Coupe,it will be brilliant,Toyota and Subaru will miss out whilst once again Hyundai develops new ranges into the market.

Koreans are at the same level as the Japanese in some markets others they are still developing,so dont be arrogant to think they dont already surpass the Japs.

China too will reach the level ,Im sure the Japs are worried enough about the Koreans without looking at the Chinese thinking “crap they can make it cheaper like we USE to and will match quality given time.”

Why do you think the Japs made cars in the first place ,they wanted in on the car market, knew like everything else they had made before that copying will be the cheapest way of developing cars for them . Ask your Dad about the Japs and what they have copied over the years if your not old enough to remember.