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Kelly Racing V8 Supercar team launched

By George Skentzos |

The most successful sibling driver duo in V8 Supercars has launched one of Australian motorsport’s most ambitious projects, establishing the Kelly Racing Team.

The move makes Rick and Todd Kelly the only owner-drivers in the series, unveiling an impressive state-of-the-art facility at Braeside, Melbourne.

In total, the team will run four V8 Supercars in the coming season – two Jack Daniel’s-backed Holden Commodores driven by the Kelly Brothers, a Dodo backed Holden Commodore to be driven by Jack Perkins and a fourth Commodore by Dale Wood.

“We are extremely excited to have built what we have from scratch by combining 10 years of family knowledge, some first class sponsorship partners and the passion and enthusiasm of the Kelly Racing employees,” said Todd Kelly.

The new team combines a decade of experience in the sport by the Kelly family with major support from Holden.

“Holden has been critical in the whole process and are providing significant support as we drive forward with all of our plans.”

The Jack Daniel’s Racing and Dodo Racing Holdens will hit the track at Winton in north-east Victoria tomorrow for a initial shakedown, while all four Kelly entries will return for an official V8 Supercar test day on Monday, March 9.


 
  • Andrew M

    only owner drivers in the series????

    well firstly Todd and Rick dont own the team, their parents do. That same technicallity would also see Marcus Marshall considered as an Owner driver.
    And secondly did someone tell Jason Bright that he apparently doesnt own his team??

    Where did you get that lead from CA??
    someone made a boo boo

    Larry is in the mix amongst this somewhere too. Im waiting to see what the full wash up of it means

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au George

    Andrew, this comes from the Kelly Racing press release. Unless you know something they don’t, then that is correct.

  • William

    Press release = gospel

    I like it!

    As someone who writes them for a living, this is truly heartening.

    ;)

  • Deano

    Andrew M, what sort of wash up do you expect to come from the Kelly’s forming their own team? What does it matter if Larry is involved in some manner?

    Do I detect a hint of sour grapes in your post somewhere?

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    No sour grapes……just facts!

  • Lee

    Jason Bright doesn’t own his team any more.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Wouldn’t it be better if Rick was in the “Dodo” car? – if you get my drift

  • 00

    That’s Rick – with a capital P

  • Bret

    Fantastic,
    Now all of the ford fans can concentrate on hating just the one Holden team.
    It’s a real shame for Perkins and Wood to be tarred with the Kelly brush though. Maybe just concentrate on hating the JD cars.

    Anti-spam=falcon. Love the irony.

  • Frontman

    Let me guess ARB will be a major sponsor for wreck???? :p

  • Richo

    Andrew M – the team is technically owned by the “Kelly Family” which means both Rick and Todd, as well as their parents John and Margaret, are all owners of the team, so i think its fair to say that they are owners, at least in part.

    As for Larry Perkins, KRT will run both of Larry’s licenses this year out of their workshop with Jack Perkins in a Dodo sponsored car and Dale Wood in the other with a yet to be named sponsor. Perkins Motorsport will also do the “hard engineering” ie actually designing the cars and the componants as well as building the actual race shells and the engines, while KRT will essentially prepare the cars and do the “soft engineering” ie set up and tuning of the cars.

    As for Jason Bright, he closed Britek at the end of last year, he still owns one of the licenses and still has Fujitsu as the sponsor, however the car will be designed, prepared and run by Stone Brothers Racing in Queensland, so Jase isn’t really a team owners anymore, just a license holder basically.

  • Richo

    also a bit harsh having a go at Rick, he was involved in ONE highly publicised incident with Cwaig Lowndes a could of years ago, but since then has been a really clean driver, in Auto Action last year they did a driver poll where all the drivers had to vote for other drivers in certain catagories, and he was voted by all the other drivers as the cleanest driver in the catagory, and by a fairly healthy margin as well.

    But some people certainly have some fairly long memories…

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    hahaha Frontman…………..yep its Block & Barge racing !

  • Ford GT-40

    I don’t like helium boy but his brother Todd is one of the better Holden drivers who doesn’t whinge and cry if nothing goes right.

    Ford to win Clipsal 500…………..

  • The Associate

    BAD MISTAKE – FAMILY/BUSINESS DO NOT MIX
    and in V8 Supercars that can be costly!

    Rick & Todd better eat their greens, otherwise Ma Kelly may take away their toys!

  • Andrew M

    Deano,
    No sour grapes intended, i was just stating facts.
    Perhaps you heard it in the wrong tone???

    What i mean about Larry and how he will play it in the wash up is, I hope he doesnt fade into the back ground as legends such as him self deserve to be recognised.

    From what I understand the kelly team wont consist of 4 cars as implied in the article.
    What will happen is they will form an alliance with LPR. Larry will be responsible for the engineering (pretty much making the cars) and team Kelly will buy them off of Larry. Previously the Kelly team used WP cars.
    I know for sure Larry will still own his 2 licences.

    George, Lee, Richo and other doubters,
    Jason Bright still owns his team.
    Yes he did close the Britek facility down south, but thats because he came to the conclusion that the costs involved in the sport are too hefty to do everything “in house”.

    He then decided to form an alliance with SBR where he would buy SBR cars to run allowing him to cut his developmental costs. He moved to QLD to enable him to have better access to the SBR facilities.

    Bright still owns his licence, and he still owns the team.
    Bright is still responsible for the money surrounding the team and also has to sort his own sponsorship ventures.

    All thats changing is Bright isnt making his own cars from ground up anymore. he is hoping reduced development costs will enable him to rise to the top of the field once more.

    HE IS STIOLL AN OWNER DRIVER!!!!

    Quote from a recent V8SC article in relation to his new paint scheme…….
    “The owner/driver has released a sneak peek of the fluorescent green and black livery the Fujitsu Racing Falcon will sport in 2009″

    “He has pared his operations back to a one-car team and for the first time the Britek Falcon will be prepared by Stone Brothers Racing (SBR)”

    Any other doubters need me to dig further???

  • Andrew M

    George,
    In answer to your question,
    Yes, I suppose i do know something they dont.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    You calm now babe you got that off your chest…………

    Pity we dont reside in Vic, the V8 Supercar launch is on tomorrow :( ……………………..

  • Andrew M

    Yeah all good ha ha ha
    They also have a launch at willowbank for the QLD teams

  • Andrew M

    ^^^
    And that launch will feature the owner driver that apparently isnt (Brighty)
    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  • Deano

    Andrew M:

    A good 25% of posts here by regulars ring in the tone of H flat, it appears one has to get used to it and apply the idiot filters where necessary.

    Thanks for explaining the wash-up as you see it, I’m unsure why you and others feel the constant need to insert ridiculous personal comments as you did there, it just seems childish and unnecessary.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Deano there is always going to be a lot of personal comments involved in V8 Supercar discussions , we all have our favorite drivers, teams and manufacturers . Sorry if we come across as idiots to you . Im just a little passionate about the sport and especially poor sportsmanship .

    Maybe Crash Bandicoot has cleaned himself up since the blocking and ramming INCIDENTS! Fact is it still shows what type of driver he can be,you didnt see Winterbottom acting like that last year did you! Fact is some drivers are clean and some are just plain dirty !

  • Andrew M

    Deano,
    Please point out this “ridiculous personal comment” you speak of and i will happily address your concerns with it.

    Thanks,
    Andrew

  • Deano

    BM:

    Fully understand the passion element of the comments made.

    I was more referring to a particular sentence of a comment made by Andrew M, which had a dig at me for an interation during a previous story regarding me mistaking the tone and nature of comments made by, if I recall correctly, The Salesman.

    It’s definately a case of whatever for me, I should figure that by making ANY comment whatsoever on caradvice, I ask for everything I get, and am tending towards just not bothering to read the comments of ANY story, which is a shame, as amongst the BS that appears to go on, there’s some very worthwhile dialogue.

  • Andrew M

    Deano,
    Im just trying to see where i upset you.
    If an apology is in order, I am man enough to issue it.

    You said I left a “ridiculous personal comment” earlier in this post. Did I or did I not?

    Where is the “sentence” you speak of??

    Thanks,
    Andrew

  • Deano

    Andrew M:

    Dude, the fact that you’ve obviously been sitting there waiting to pounce on my reply speaks volumes, go do something useful and stop proving the point that you’re obviously more after conflict rather than producing useful commentary on the content of this blog.

    I don’t intend on engaging with you further on this.

    *sigh*

  • Wheelnut

    Deano – I think the reason Andrew M said:
    “Larry is in the mix amongst this somewhere too. Im waiting to see what the full wash up of it means”

    Is because Larry Perkins wasn’t mentioned in the article at all yet he would have to play some part in the deal etc as LPR is the one who Jack Daniels have the sponsorship deal with not Kelly Racing.. Therefore inodeer for John and Margaret Kelly to take over the licences etc Larry would have had to been involved.

    The article says that “The new team combines a decade of experience in the sport by the Kelly family with major support from Holden.”

    Yet given that Larry Perkins will be building and the cars it also builds on the 30 odd years of racing and engineering experience the boy from Cowangie has to offer.

    It seems unreal to talk about the team and not mention Larry. Its like talking about Ford Racing and not mentioning Dick Johnson or Allan Moffat

  • Wheelnut

    I strongly doubt that Rick and Todd are actually Owner drivers.. I believe that the names that appear on the licensee agreements which are lodged with AVESCO/TEGA are John and Margaret Kelly as they were the owners of the [now defunct] HSV Dealer team which Rick drove for last year.

    John and Margaret have merely bought Larry Perkins licenes and merged the two teams to form a 4 car super team.

    Whereas Mark Skaife was an owner driver and Jason Bright IS an owner driver as their names appear on the Licenses/ownership agreements and they were/are race car drivers

    Whilst Jasons car will be built by SBR – Who engineers builds repairs or prepares the cars is irrelevant.
    I expect SBR will “lease” the car to Jason as they did with the WPS cars..yet Jason will have to find the sponsorship etc

    Whilst Jasons car will be buitl by SBR

  • Richo

    Hi Andrew M, just quickly mate, Kelly Racing IS a 4 car team, your right Larry is building the cars and the engines and doing alot of the “hard engineering” in much the same way as Walkinshaw Racing provides the cars, engines and “hard engineering” to Brad Jones Racing and Bottle-o racing, and Larry will retain ownership over the licenses that his son Jack and Dale Wood will be using, however he has leased these licenses to Kelly Racing which is a very common practice in V8 Supercars and the cars will be run 100% out of the Kelly Racing facility with Kelly Racing staff.

    Also your right about Jason Bright, however its worth pointing out as well that SBR will also be preparing and running the cars as well out of their own factory. Essentially it is a third SBR entry which Jason is essentially paying for with his own sponsorship and the car will be run under his own license. Very similar to how Team Kiwi will run this year out of Paul Morris Motorsport and how Ford Rising Stars Racing was run last year out of FPR’s workshop.

    Cheers, always love discussing racing!

  • Wheelnut

    Richo – I agree Jasons car is effectively a 3rd SBR car yet just as the 2 SBR cars are considered to be 2 seppereate teams given the fact they have different sponsors.. Jasons car which has another sponsor [Fujitsu] will be a 3rs sepperate team and Jason will most likely have the same engineers etc as he did last year.

    Jason Brights name is on the license + his name is on the car = he is [considered to be] an owner driver

    I mean if Holden built your car [for example] does that mean they still own your car even though your name is on the insurance and registration papers?

  • Andrew M

    Deano,
    and you counter replies havent been swift???

    If you want to bring my credability into question Im gonna make certain you arent out there making false accusations.

    And for future reference if you want to make accusations, at least ready yourself with a refrerence to prove what you are claiming.

    Its fine if you dont wish to converse further on the topic, but at least take the above statement with you to keep in mind before issuing further attacks

  • Richo

    Wheelnut – the Jack Daniels sponsorship with Perkins Motorsport expired at the end of last season, the new deal is definetly an all new deal and is done with Kelly Racing, not Perkins Motorsport.

    Larry spoke publically last year about how he no longer has the motivation to run a full time race team and instead felt the time was right for his company to step back to more of an engineering supply company then an actual race team which in part is how a lot of this came up.

    The Kelly’s where looking at how to get away from Walkinshaw as they where privately pee’d right off about how their star driver, team manager and lead engineer was taken off then and given to the Holden Racing Team, even though they where still under contract with the HSV Dealer Team and Walkinshaw basically told them to deal with it or bugger off, John Kelly decided the latter was the more preferable option. The fact Larry was looking to step back from it all was very beneficial in a sense that it allowed them to go straight to 4 cars rather then just 2, but at the end of the day they would have done it either way however out of respect for Larry, Todd said that he wouldn’t persue the Jack Daniels sponsorship unless Larry was 100% that he didn’t want to continue as a race team.

    Also, the licneses are actually not in the name of John and Margaret Kelly, they are in the name of a holding company which the entire Kelly family has ownership of, its essentially a family business, so i’m happy to say that the sons are owners as well because whether they are owners now, or inherit ownership, they ultimately ARE owners.

  • Andrew M

    Hey Richo,
    how ya been.
    Finally someone who can also see logic on both sides of the coin and admitt mistakes like a man.

    I tried to post before you appeared but my computer crashed.

    I was going to clarify the whole Kelly racing situation.

    Larry definately still owns the 2 additional licences.
    Perkins Engineering will make the vehicles.
    Larry has scaled back his actual racing involvement and will lease his licences to Team Kelly

    The Kellys are pretty much just the money by the sounds of it. Even though Todd and Rick declare to be owner drivers, I dont see it like that.
    Todd and Ricks name arent on the licences for starters.

    And even if they are techniclly Owner Drivers, they certainly arent the only ones.
    Britek Motorsport still exists. It is owned by Jason Bright, And Bright drives the car hence owner driver.

    The only thing SBR will do for Brighty is prepare the cars (keep in mind that the Kellys wont be preparing their own cars either).
    SBR wont run the cars as you also added.

    Britek still has its own sponsors and staff base, all of which Jason is still responsible for.

    Wheelnut,
    Just a side note… The kellys did not own the team last year. Uncle Tom actually owned the team whilst the Kellys owned the licences to get around the loop hole that banned Tom Walkinshaw from holding a V8SC Licence

  • Andrew M

    Richo, you beat me to it again ha ha ha

    But,
    I didnt realise that the Boys do actually have their name on the ownership papers of the company.
    Fair enough, thats the only thing i wasnt 100% on.

    Hang on, I read what you said further, now you are questioning yourself as to whether or not they are actually owners???
    If they will eventually inherit ownership, it doesnt make them current.

    Also to be noted is that Walkinshaw also took his other driver Dumbrell with him over to HRT to run in an additional HRT car

  • Deano

    Without continuing pointless arguements, thanks to those that filled the background in on this.

    For me, it’s all about what will happen on the track, on race day, and it certainly sounds like it will be an interesting season of V8 supercars :-)

    I’m tempted to make a couple of other comments but will leave it there, interesting points of view nonetheless.

  • Wheelnut

    That may be but the Kelly Brotheres Aren’t the only Owner Drivers in the field.. regardless of what the press release says..

    I mean most educated people realise that press releases often omit certain facts and other pieces of background information to make whatever the announcement is about appear to be bigger and better than it actually is.. its called spin which is a fundamental element of marketing advertising and in some cases journalism – where it’s known as sensationalism

  • Richo

    Andrew mate, cheers for the compliments.

    With regard to Britek / SBR, i was pretty sure that Brighty’s car was going to be run out of the SBR workshop as well, he has closed up his Britek shop and a lot of the old Britek staff where actually picked up by Kelly Racing, although i’m sure some of the key staff stuck with Bright in his move up North.

    But yeah I was pretty sure that the car was going to be run FOR Brighty by SBR out of the SBR headquarters with Bright essentially being responsobile for the money, maybe its also his staff as well and is just leasing the “floor space” from SBR ?? That would probably fit with both of our arguments in that Britek would still be preparing the cars out of the SBR factory of which they are leasing space???

    To clarify my comments re: the Kelly boys, I’m pretty sure the boys own, at least in part, the new Kelly Racing team although I am positive that John and Margaret would still retain some high level involvement, however what I meant was that even if i’m wrong and the team is owned 100% by the parents, it will eventually be taken over by the boys anyway.

    Family businesses often have incredibly complex ownership structures with family trusts and so forth, but the same as how I view my parents family business as my business as well, i’m sure the Kelly boys would have the same view, clearly the media does and they are often privy to more info then us anyway because its not just Car Advice running with the “owner drivers” bit as the major news networks picked it up and so did Motorsport E News

  • Wheelnut

    I don’t particularly think the racing will be as exciting as it was last year

    Particularly after the changes AVESCO have made to Qualifying.
    According to a story on the V8 Supercar website; the changes are such that Qualifying is now more important than ever because where you start the 1st 2nd and 3rd race all depends on how well you qualify.

    Last year where you started race 2-3 was determined by where you finished the previous race.. which made sense as it rewarded you for passing and clever tactics etc but now

    [say for example] if you qualified 1st for race one but finished 15th.. no worries.. you will start race 2 on pole as that’s where you finished in qualifying..
    Or if you qualified 15th for race one and manage to make it through the field to win the race – too bad as you will start race 2 back in 15th position.

    Apparently the other option they were considering is to have sepperate qualifying sessions for each of the races to be held over the weekend.
    Which would mean if you qualifed 15th for race 1.. qualified 1st for race 2 and 25th for race 3 that’s where you’ll start the races regardless of how you finished the previous race.

    No more does where you finish race one determine your starting position in race 2.. it al comes down to a 10-15 minute qualifying session

    So now there is even less incentive to pass as you won’t start where you finish. How pathetic is that

  • Richo

    see that Leanne Tander is running the enduros with PCR this year? PCR have good gear this year as well as 100% of their cars, engines and generaly engineering is coming straight from 888, infact i’m sure i read that Fabien Coulthard’s car will be identical in specification to the 888 entries this year, so it will be interesting to see how she goes in proper equipment.

    She is fast in an open wheeler, and apparently most of her “competitive edge” so to speak comes from her braking ability, which is a crucial aspect of V8 Supercars, but in saying that a Formula 3 car is MASSIVELY different to a V8, so she is going to need to get a lot of miles in testing if she is going to be competitive, especially considering her development series drive didnt eventuate due to a lack of sponsorship…

  • Richo

    Wheelnut – i dissagree, i think it creates more incentive to pass because you won’t just say “oh well 12th is a good start for the next race so this will do” because you will need to maximise your points in each race.

    Also one thing the drivers often said was “why would i risk a good finnish in Race 1 by trying to overtake someone when if i make a blue i will have to start at the back in race 2, now that is taken away, they don’t have to worry about making a blue in race 1 and that ruining their entire weekend because they will be at the back because essentially after the chequer, all is forgiven and your back to where you where pre-mistake.

    So yeah i think it will actually promote more overtaking because their is less of a downside if you make a blue in that it won’t necessarily ruin the rest of your weekend, plus you will need to maximise your finnish in each race

  • Wheelnut

    Yeah it will save you if you fail to finish a race.. you know you won’t start any lower than where you qualified
    Yet if you start from 20th and manage to finish 10th.. you start back at 20th.. it’s almost as if Commandant Cochrane and his Chronies in Race Control are saying “Good Job… Now let’s see you do it again….. ha-ha-ha-ha”

    It all depends on the drivers attiude and position I guess

    As for Leanne Tander there is an in depth interview with her in this months Wheels magazine. I believe she is a faster and in some cases smarter deiver than some of the drivers in the V8s.. she deserves a real go in Australia premier motorsport category.

    See the 888 cars have removed the Ford Logos from their cars… there is now a Hogs Breath Cafe Logo in the grille.
    I wonder if DJR will do a similar thing after being shafted by broadmeadows

  • Richo

    Yeah, whats more with 888, they have formally requested to V8 supercars that their car is NOT refered to as a “Ford Falcon V8 Supercar”, rather it be refered to as a “888 V8 Supercar”.

    The team really took the loss of Ford support personally and very much have a “stuff youse” attitude to Ford I believe, particularly after they played sucha pivotal role in the development of the FG Supercar, can’t really blame them either!

    As for Leanne, i think your definetly right when you say she is a really “smart” driver, but if you’ve seen her race F3, she is also incredibly aggressive particularly under brakes, its that combination of intelligence and aggression which makes great drivers, but unfortunately Leanne has never had the opportunity to show what she can do.

    Hopefully a good showing in the enduro’s might give her a chance.

  • Wheelnut

    Yeah I read about that as well Richo.. However; in most forms of Motorsport they often refer to or include the manufacturer of the car – usually the make of car on which the car is based or the company that provides the engine; in the teams “official” name regardless as to whether or not the team does or doesn’t have official 100% Factory support

    Therefore; its most likely that it will still be called the 888 Racing FORD Falcon.

    Leanne also drives the Truck/Transporter of her Formula 3 Race Car – How many other V8 Drivers can drive a 18 Wheeler

  • Andrew M

    Not trying to take anything away from Leanne Tander, but she has been in open wheelers a very long time so there is no surprise that she aint no slouch.

    V8SC is a very different game indeed, but in saying that, I would love to see her get a full season drive.

    Richo,
    I know its getting picky, but I dont see ones parents business as also being their own.

    My Parnets have a business, and I also do aswell.
    I dont consider myself to be part of theirs, and they dont consider themselves to be part of mine.

    In the wrap up, even if you put aside what one thinks warrants ownership, the only factor that concludes it is whose name is on the paperwork.

    My name is the only name on my business. not even my other half considers herself to be owner of it. I am the only owner

    My parents names are the only names on their business. They are the only owners

  • Andrew M

    Yeah 888 were pretty cut about ford pulling funding, and i reckon rightly so.

    Holden has just done a similar thing to some of its teams too.

    Im not sure that 888 will win the right not to be called a Falcon race car though.
    Ford is still providing them support in terms of shells etc, they have just taken away the actual money.

    All non funded ford teams have been allowed to remove “FORD” from the windsheilds to allow space for other sponsors.

    Also to watch this year is DJR who is now running 888 Chassis with their already tough and powerfull DJR donks, and they will be the donks with the new cylinder head all round

    On qualifying………
    Im still undecided
    Initially Im not a fan of it, but will wait to see how it pans out before being too critical of it.
    I wouldnt even mind seeing them adopt a F1 style rule where they have to start on the fuel load they qualify on.

    The change i am excited about though is the 2 tyre compound choices. Im sure that will make for interesting viewing and spice up the results.

  • Wheelnut

    I know what youre saying andrew – the main reason people create companies is so that they are considered to be sepperate legal entities should anything go wrong

    Has Paul Morris Confirmed who will be taking his seat this season..? He was looking at Jacques Villeneuve but what about Leanne?

    PM is probably worried that Leanne will show him how you really drive a V8 Supercar and beat his lap times.. the egotestical w–ker.

  • Wheelnut

    Looks like we’ve gone from talking about a boy who thinks he can drive [Rick} to a girl who really can [Leanne]!

  • Andrew M

    Richo,
    what i was picking at when you said SBR will prepare and run Brightys car, was that Brighty will actually run his car and make any corresponding decisions.

    Yes it will be based at the SBR facility, but SBR will not actually run the car for him. SBR are pretty much just leasng Brighty floor space.

    Brighty and SBR have maintained an on going close and good relationship from the days when he actually drove for them, which makes for smooth flowing trading between the teams.

    Im putting a strong dollar out there that this will be a 2 way street. In SBR being kind to Brighty, brighty will bring a wealth of knowledge and dedication to also improve SBRs cars aswell as his own.
    This will also be a combo to look out for.
    Brighty will run James courtneys car from last year for the first few rounds until his new FG race car is ready

  • Andrew M

    As far as i know PMR hasnt signed anyone yet.

    He did seem pretty c o c k y about his chances in getting Villeneuve, and said he would wait as long as he could.

    It almost certainly wont be leanne if she has already committed to PCR for enduros

  • Richo

    Paul Morris Motorsport has signed Tim Slade to drive alongside Ingall. I’m sure Leanne was considered and she actually drove one of Pauls cars in some ride days, but her lack of V8 Supercar experience in the end ruled her out.

    Tim Slade is a talent however, i think he will do really well.

    Villeneuve was happy with the money but the word is his wife wouldn’t move from Montreal where they current live so that was that.

    Also Andrew regarding the family business deal, i guess the difference is that I am very much involved in my parents business, work it full time and probably have more to do with it now days then my parents, hence why i consider it my business as well as theirs, and i think the Kelly’s would be the same.

  • Gwen Donaldson

    My first time on this site. Found it interesting. Will look in again sometime. GD (Older fan)

  • Andrew M

    But Richo if your name isnt on the papers, then you arent an owner, and if Ricks and Todds names arent on the Kelly business papers, then they arent owners either.

    Does your rule also make Marcus Marshall and Steven Johnson Owner drivers too???

  • Neo

    As Bret said now i can focus on hating one team. Go Ford

  • Richo

    Andrew, firstly, how do we know their names aren’t on the papers? Thats point one, and as far as family business etc mate all i’m saying is that reality sometimes differs from what is on the legal documents. For example how many kids buy their first car in their parents name? Its their car, but legally its their parents, thats kind of what i’m getting at.

    I think its fairly clear from everything thats been said that the two Kelly boys at the very least run the team, even if their parents may have the legal ownership of the team, its pretty plain for all to see that its Rick and Todd who are actually running the organisation.

    With my business for example, I do all the work, I applied for the contracts, I hired the staff, my father has little to do with it, but because I was so young (20) when it all started it was just easier to put everything in the old mans name, and I’m sure you know as well as I do that this is a fairly common tale.

    Who actually has the name on the legal documents no body really knows, so legally are they owners? Dunno, but in reality, its Rick and Todd who are running the team, they are the ones putting in the effort, so I believe they are essentially taking on the responsibility of owner drivers, regardless of whether or not its legally so (which i think it probably is legally so anyway, just maybe not 100%)

  • Andrew M

    Richo,
    I know i was just getting a bit picky going that far as to question whether they were or were not owners, its just the claiming they were the ONLY owner drivers comment that kicked me off. Jason Bright is the only clear cut Owner Driver.
    I know Todd was pretty involved in setting the team up, but im not sure that Rick was.
    Todd has a pretty good head on his shoulders, its a shame that WP shafted him, but in the end i think Todd will get more out of this new venture than if he had have continued to live in Toms pocket.

    You also didnt answer my question.
    Do you also consider Marcus Marshall and Steven Johnson Owner Drivers????

  • Andrew M

    Neo,
    its actually 2 teams you have to hate, the kelly team, and the reborn Walkinshaw team.

    Just having a dig Holdenites

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Yeah and here in the West we have to wait till November till they make an appearance,more changes that suck!

    I dont mind Toddles at all , pity the boy though in a family business. Hope he has more of a chance to prove himself now .

    You wagging work Andrew ?hehehe I guess thats the bosses choice isnt it!

  • Andrew M

    I went in this morning to check up on the guys. I just got back from the dentist this morning and since everything seemed to be rolling ok, Ive decided to put my feet up for the rest of it

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Oh its not because you cant feel your bottom lip from the anesthetic and you think the guys may catch you dribbling……….hahaha Should be an interesting arvo on here if you know what I mean ;)

  • Andrew M

    No, I dont know what you mean.
    This is normally House wife o’clock ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    I am laughing so hard cause i can see the look on your face ha ha ha ha ha
    Il be hiding after the desk now ha ha ha ha

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    :0 ……….That will do now :) Check your email I just sent you………….

  • Richo

    Andrew, I guess the difference is Todd and Rick are claiming to be owners drivers, why would they do that if they wheren’t?

    As for Stevie J, who I happen to think is really good and never had the chance to show it, no I don’t consider him to be an owner driver because he has never attempted to be involved in the running of DJR, for him, it was always his Dad’s business and he just drove for it, the difference with Todd and Rick is that they are very much actively involved in the company and wanting to be involved, where as Steve is just the driver. He may well have aspirations to take over from his Dad in the future, but for the time being I think he is just concentrating on driving.

    Marcus Marshall, I remember when the news of all this came up his Dad actually came out and said that he has helped get the ball running, but he will not be running the team, its up to Marcus. I think he has gone un-noticed in all of this, I think he is very much an owner driver! He has set the team up, he bought a lot of equipement off Britek when they shut up shop, he organised the deal with 888 for a car, he organised the sponsor, his Dad no doubt has put up the capital to start it off, but if nothing else Marcus is very much an owner/manager if you like, and may well have onwership in conjunction with his dad, and yeah i’d consider him very much in the same light as the Kelly’s

  • Richo

    actually, just read the press release for Marcus’s team, IntaRacing, apparently the team is owned by the sponsor, Access Cash which is owned by a personal friend of Marcus.

    So it sounds like he has just helped his friend set the team up, so no not an owner driver then!

  • Andrew M

    On Marcus Marshall,
    its interesting to hear that his dad wasnt the one to foot the bill.
    I lke yourself remember when the deals were being made that the talk was that Marcus’ dad was the proposed owner.
    Ill have to read into that one myself too.

    On Stevie, I think you would be surprised to see that he has a bigger influence behind the scenes.
    I think his efforts are hidden in the media behind a father who is a bigger super star.
    If you take notice in the rounds where Dick isnt present, Steve takes a visibly more front man roll.

    I remember reading a while ago that Steve is more involved in the running of things than he used to be. Over the last 5 years or so Dick has given him more responsibility and steve often talks about being dedicated to keeping the team going now and in the era past dicks involvment.

    Eitherway, getting back to the roots of our discussion, this article is incorrect as the kelly boys are definately not the only owner drivers as stated