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2009 Holden Cruze at MIMS

By David Twomey |

Holden has launched a new era of small cars with the unveiling of the all-new Cruze at the Melbourne International Motor show.

The first in a new generation of GM global products, the Cruze will enter Australia’s small car segment in the second quarter of 2009 boasting advanced interior comfort and high levels of safety.

From launch, the Holden Cruze will be available with either a 1.8-litre ECOTEC petrol engine or optional 2.0-litre four-cylinder turbocharged common rail diesel engine.

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GM Holden Chairman and Managing Director, Mark Reuss said the Cruze represented the brand’s commitment to the small car market and marked the beginning of a new era for the company.

“The small car market is the largest growing segment in the Australian market and this is our response to that change,”

“Cruze will play a significant role in Holden’s future and presents us with a new generation car, a new design and a new way of thinking”

The line-up will consist of the CD and CDX, with the choice of either a five-speed manual transmission or a six-speed automatic transmission with Active Select.

2009 Holden Cruze at MIMS

Inside, the Cruze boasts many of the interior creature comforts we have come to expect from the category including contoured sports seats, CD with MP3 and infotainment display.

Standard safety across the range includes ESC, Traction Control, anti-lock brakes with brake assist, EBD, belt pretensioners and six airbags.

Full specifications including pricing and fuel economy figures will be released closer to the launch date.


 
  • HAL

    Happy to eat humble pie. just gave Holden a pasting on the other article about the crap Senator they are releasing. But this is better, much better. A locally produced attractive small car. Such a better strategy than rebadging handed-down Korean rubbish. Nice one Holden, just make it good quality and it should be a winner.

  • Bret

    Wow, another all-new Daewoo.

  • Bret

    HAL, it’s not locally produced yet. It IS only a rebadged Deawoo.
    You were saying…….

  • cam

    It is a daewoo……and if Holden are going to build it here the quality will only get worse. They are good at putting badges on Daewoo’s though……lol

  • Bob

    From article:

    The line-up will consist of the CD (Petrol) and CDX (Diesel),

    Guys that’s incorrect. CD with a Petrol or Diesel, CDX is Petrol only.

  • Frosty

    This actually looks very nice indeed, I take it this will replace the Viva. I really think Holden will be on a winner with this. Both exterior and interior look good plus the availability of diesel and petrol motors is very nice indeed. May even sway me to buy one as my daily commute to work instead of my Calais V 6Ltr Sportwagon. The time is just about here for those anti Holden Korean connection to realise that the GM Influence is well and truelly on its way to ridding us of those Daewoo cracks people have been doing despite realising that GM had to let the previous generation Daewoo cars finish their model cycle.

  • HAL

    Is it another Daewoo? Damn, that is disappointing. I thought it was a rebadged Chevrolet.

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Read the first line guys.

    “Holden has launched a new era of locally produced small cars with the unveiling of the all-new Cruze at the Melbourne International Motor show”.

    Key words Locally and Produced.

  • Andrew

    It looks quite nice, although is slightly derivative of the new Kia Cerato sedan (proportionally, taillights) and the Hyundai Sonata (side glasshouse).

    Let it be a winner for Holden, but I still can’t understand how it can work on a business plan when it would have to be cheaper importing from Korea. Don’t get me wrong, I’d rather see an Australian built car but let’s hope Holden gets the business plan right!

  • Adam

    Very Nice!

    Any ideas on pricing?

    The intro is a little confusing… ‘locally’ and ‘produced’?? Meaning what exactly?

    Where is it built?

  • HAL

    ^ Salesman, that’s what I thought when I posted my 1st comment.

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Really misleading then CA. So it’s a Chev built in Korea and re badged by Holden? Does Holden make anything themselves anymore.

  • Myke

    ^This is more then any other Korean product they have released in the past. It is a global vehicle and built on the same platform as the Astra. It will be a better car then you expect.

  • o

    So is this the car that holden will build next year.

  • Frosty

    No this is not the Locally built car. What will happen in the 3rd Quarter of 2010 Holden will either release a Australian Astra or release a new model of the Cruise that will be locally built. I tend to think it maybe the new Astra which is built here just like the Focus is for Ford. I do not think it would be cost effective to just halt production of the current Cruise one year in especially if it proves to be a popular buy.

  • Frosty

    oops cruze not cruise. Automatically come up with that spelling

  • John adams

    There is a website for it..

    http://www.holdencampaign.com.au/cruze/

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=674330849 lazybones

    wow is looks just like the concept car, amazing…

    www caradvice com au/19999/gm-holden-confirms-small-car-production/

    So this is the secret Aussie designed (not) weapon that holden are going to use against the Focus. Ford must be pissing themselves.

    I was kinda hoping Holden were going to surprise us all an announce it would be this they were making…

    www caradvice com au/11975/2009-holden-astra-cgi/

  • t39

    Imagine V6 Commodore buyers queueing up to ask why their car did not come with a 6sp auto gearbox like the Cruze’s. :) )

  • Bret

    Frosty, the Holden cheif has already said that it will be this car that is buil locally.
    And NO this doesn’t replace the Viva. This IS the new Viva, rebaged as a GM global platform.

  • Frontman

    So this is the new Nubira???
    The hard part about photos is that you can’t get affeling of panel strength. Always a down fall of all Koreans. Personally it is trying to hard in the styling cues for my liking. (but as we all know things look different in the metal)

  • Greg

    I believe this car will have good quality. The current Viva and Barina/Kalos are products from pre-GM Daewoo.

    So it annoys me when people proclaim ‘oh its just a Daewoo’, when it is not, it is a product for the new company that grew from the ashes of Daewoo, GMDAT. The new company is completely integrated into GM and shares little with the Daewoo of old.

    Look at Hyundai and Kia to see how far the Korean industry has come.

    Considering this car is unveiled here now I wonder what Holden will do at the end of 2010 when local small car production starts, will Cruze be then made here, which local stayling and a new name, or will it be Astra made here? The styling sketch released by Holden appeared similar to Cruze on the sides though.

  • Andrew

    Bret:
    “And NO this doesn’t replace the Viva. This IS the new Viva, rebaged as a GM global platform.”

    So yes then Bret, as it is a new model in the same class and is now called the ‘Cruze’, it does replace the Viva!

  • Bret

    Greg, what don’t you understand about the fact that Holden have stated that they will build the GMDaewoo Cruze here?

    And I don’t get how adding GM to Daewoo necesseraly equals anything good.

  • max

    “The current Viva and Barina/Kalos are products from pre-GM Daewoo.” – Yes but that’s what they have been selling isn’t it. As such comments are based on this fact.

    As an aside, there is a reason Daewoo went out of business, not enough sales.

    “The new company is completely integrated into GM and shares little with the Daewoo of old.” – Well yes, but here’s the thing, is that good or bad?

    Don’t hold your breath on this, GM as we know it, wont be around by 2010.

  • Bret

    But Andrew, Frosty was asking the question as if this was somehow something totally new and that the Viva platform was dead. It isn’t. The Viva platform was the basis for this redesign.

  • max

    “Let it be a winner for Holden, but I still can’t understand how it can work on a business plan when it would have to be cheaper importing from Korea.” – Andrew

    Let me help you with this, taxpayer funding.

  • Reckless1

    The 6 speed auto would have to be a twin-clutch job.

    2.0 diesel with 6 speed twinclutch auto would have to be very appealing, especially if it’s around $20-22000

    I remind all the Ford numnuts that keep spewing Daewoo as an argument, that Ford’s best seller in recent times was a rebadged Kia made in Korea. Mind you, most of the posters here were only 5 ten years ago.

  • Frosty

    Bret you are wrong in your assumption. I was stating that this is the model to replace the current Viva. There is no similarities between this and the current Viva. We all know its like replacing the VZ Commodore with a VE but you would still say that the VE replaced the VZ. Tell me where the similarities are between this and the Viva apart from the production facility.

  • JEKYL & HYDE

    six speed auto with active select.gotta hate that if your a kia cerato salesperson.can’t wait for a comparison…

  • Jeff

    What were they thinking with that chrome front grill- it may be a personal taste thing but the Chevy version with the body colour looks way better and broke up the size of the grill a bit. Its now way too big. They’ve ruined what is nice package dumping a pile of cheap chrome and black plastic on the front of the car snd it’ll look terrible on every other car colour except silver.

  • Bret

    Frosty, why would I regurgitate info from elswhere on the net just because you’re too lazy (or suffering from brand blindness) to look it uo yourself?

    Reckless1 Says:
    February 27th, 2009 at 11:24 am
    “I remind all the Ford numnuts that keep spewing Daewoo as an argument, that Ford’s best seller in recent times was a rebadged Kia made in Korea”

    How long ago was that again? And best selling model? Look who’s grasping at straws.

  • Frosty

    Bret, you are just being plain stupid now. I verify my comment by asking you where the similarities between Viva and Cruze are and you dont even answer. As I have said this is what is replacing the Viva. It is totally brand new and there is nothing that it shares with the Viva except the current production facility and it will fill the same market needs of a small car buyer. its like saying that the Holden Nova which replaced the Previous Holden Astra )despite the Nova being a rebadged Corolla and the Previous Astra being a rebadged Nissan Pulsar) are the same car.

  • JEKYL & HYDE

    cheer up frosty,

    bret also thought that berlina was holdens highest selling model commodore(wrapped up in the ford blanket)…

  • Frontman

    To all of you who keep proclaiming that GM have somehow transformed Daewoo, please look at what you are saying and what the daewoo products really were in the first instance!
    Daewoo ran Exclusively GM motors (even the venerable Family4 from Melbourne) the Gearbox’s came from GM Canada, the Suspension was Opel and the very first cars were Opels, You know Cadets were 1.5′s and the Espero was based on the same platform that was Camira (last 2.0l model) tha also became Record and then Vectra. GM-H are now using the same factories and the same robots, and whilst yes they had an Australian in for some of the designs Daewoo actually got a very creditable German in for the designs (Dr Ulrich Bez). These cars are still Daewoo’s same as Kia is still Kia even thought Hyundai now own them instead of Mazda.
    When did the BEST Selling model for Ford come from Korea? Laser was Local or Japan.
    On topic though priced right this will sell because of the badge. But I reckon if you looked at this or Cerato you’d lean the other way.

  • Bret

    JEKYL & HYDE Says:
    February 27th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
    “cheer up frosty,
    bret also thought that berlina was holdens highest selling model commodore(wrapped up in the ford blanket)… ”

    J&H
    Don’t go sprouting BS.

    Daewoo is still an embarrasement to you holdenphiles isn’t it? And just think, soon you’ll be building Daewoos at Elizabeth.

  • Richo

    the car was designed in germany by opel and its built of the very same platform as the next astra, its just being built in the GM-Daewoo korean plant.

    Maybe some of you need to seek the full story before shit canning it as just another daewoo

  • Bret

    Richo,
    Nope, it had German input into styling and platform engineering. GMDAT are the lead design centre for Cruze. The majority of design was done in Korea. It’s a Daewoo. And it will be built and sold throughout the world, so for GM’s (and Aus buyer’s)sake, let’s hope the numbers support the ongoing development

  • Frontman

    Richo, settle pettle ;-)
    First and foremost get over it, it is built by GM-Daewoo No? So therefore it is! Secondly The last “Daewoo’s” were all designed in Italy using GM running gear, so that country of design origin means??
    Look it’s not where the thing comes from ti is how they are built that counts, correct? To date the offering from those factories haven’t been up to standard so hence the comments.
    {Salesman that is the biggest clue as to who I am that you’ll ever get.}

  • matt

    I think that it is ugly. It’s the love child of a vectra and the euro accord without any of the nice bits. The lights and grill are too much.

  • Frontman

    Richo, Not harping on a subject, but I think you’ll agree that our concerns are verified when you take the spaces out of the following
    http://www . gmdaewoo.co.kr/kor/index.jsp

  • HAL

    Ok, regardless of the where will it be built and/or designed argument, I reckon it’s a good looking car. It will be popular provided it is well made and looks like it does in the photos.

    Frontman, get over yourself mate – who cares who you are?

  • Masteraal

    I dont get the point of this car?!

    They have the Barina, Astra, Viva, Epica, Cruze, and no doubt the insignia/vectra. So they will have 6 freaking cars for light-medium class… whats the freaking point?!

    only 2 of those cars listed will be any good. scrap the rest.. or bring the corsa and itll be 3 cars which are any good!

  • GT

    Considering that the Astra already out sells the Viva, wouldnt it of been money better spent to localy produce the next gen ASTRA?
    This just looks cheap & nasty!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=674330849 lazybones

    “I dont get the point of this car?!”

    I’d agree with you there, if this car is a global car built on the Delta II platform like the next Astra. Why bother having 2 similar cars. Just build 1 good one (The Astra) dump this heap of shite.

    Maybe it shows the inner problems GM are having, they just can’t produce anything efficiently. Maybe because they are just too big with too much baggage.

    On a side note, its well documented this car’s architecture is from GM Europe, but its style and design look very US/Korean to me.

  • Frontman

    GT If these are on the same floorpan thenthe only reason I can see for having both is (and this is totally unfounded at this point okay) if GM were seriously considering dumping/ selling Opel-Vauxhall. Otherwise it shows they have not learnt from the mistakes of selling against themselves.

  • Bret

    lazybones Says:
    February 27th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
    “On a side note, its well documented this car’s architecture is from GM Europe,..”

    Umm, no it’s well documented exactly the opposite. The architecture is of GMDAT origins. It’s only GM fanboys who are pushing a euro thing. Opel took this and turned it into the new Astra, not the other way around.

  • J

    I’m sorry, is anyone else seeing Elantra/Civic rear, Focus front wheel arches, and a Epica nose slapped onto the front? The birth of an interracial baby.

  • Ford Ranger

    Barina, Astra, Craptiva, Viva, Epica, hmmmmmmmmmm well Cruze should end with (a) > Cruza, what’s going on GM-DAEWOO-HOLDEN not sticking with vehicle name recognition, people need to be reminded that driving inferior cars should belong in the same category called cr-A-p.

    The rear end tail lights look Korean (KIA) Cerato and the front screams an Epica gone wrong.

    CRUZE MADE IN KOREA BY UNDER PAYED DAEWOO WORKERS, SADLY REBADGED BY GM-HOLDEN.

  • J

    Ford Ranger, I suggest if you even attempt to make some sort of remark about cars, make it worthwhile? Underpaid daewoo workers? Unless you have information to back it up, don’t say it at all. I’ve seen worse cars out there eg. the Ford Ranger.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Congrats heaps Holden……looks mega truly unreal!!!! Lets hope Aussie input to making of car and suspension is right up to mark!

  • GT

    Bret
    it dosnt matter where the architecture originated, theres is more to a car than just the platform, there the exterior design, the interior design, quality of fitting, plasitcs ect… in all these areas the ASTRA excels over the Cruz, so why produce an inferior car if it dosnt sell?
    Cue 2010: new Astra a sales hit and Cruz failing badly.. Complete waste of money in all that tooling cost.

  • Bret

    GT, I don’t dissagree at all. This is more GM at it’s best (worst?). One car can serve all the markets required, but hey, lets do 2 cars at nearly twice the cost, for about the same market penetration?????

  • Ford Go Better

    Barina, Astra, Captiva, Viva, Epica, now another Daewoo Cruze ??????????????

    The rear end tail lights look Korean (KIA) and the front screams Epica gone wrong not inspiring at all.

    CRUZE > MADE IN KOREA, AGAIN SADLY REBADGED BY GM-HOLDEN.

  • Ford Go Better

    Barina, Astra, Captiva, Viva, Epica, now another Daewoo, Cruze make no sense in holdens line up ??????????????

    The rear end tail lights look Korean and the front screams Epica gone wrong not inspiring at all.

    CRUZE > MADE IN KOREA, AGAIN SADLY REBADGED BY GM-HOLDEN.

  • GT

    Bret, your spot on mate.
    I think GMs hell bent on self distruction haha!
    Fords gonna have a field day with the new localy produced focus.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=674330849 lazybones

    “Umm, no it’s well documented exactly the opposite. The architecture is of GMDAT origins”

    Personally I think your right, since I’t doesn’t make sense to have this and the Astra. We’ve already seen how loose the term designed in Europe has been used before, like the Epica’s Porsche designed engine. So good, that no Porsche car uses it!

  • Driving Driver

    Looks good but how will it drive??????????

  • Frosty

    Actually a 2 pronged attack on the market is not such a bad thing because the Cruze will be focused at the budget conscious person who wants a safe car with some style while the Astra will be focused on the young professional or retired couple who want a euro designed and engineered car which will come in Hatch, wagon, coupe and convertible. And mark my words that is how they will be marketed.

  • ScottB

    Ok, to all those people that seem to be arguing point or origin, this is GMs new global car, in much the same way Fiesta is Ford’s. The design and engineering’s been driven by the Yanks and in most places its going to be marketed as a Chevrolet, including Europe.

    Personally I think its inoffensive but somewhat dated already.

  • GT

    But Frosty,
    they are already doing this 2 pronged attack with the Viva and its not working.
    Mazda 3, and corrolla only need a single modle and both out sell the astra/viva combined.
    If they made the astra localy it would make it cheeper and therefor sell more, negating the need for 2nd cheeper model

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Who gives a flying **** where origins come from…. they “all” do it and the sooner some sensitive people realise this the better!

  • Stevo the Devo

    Naughtius – If you ordered a glass of water in a restaurant would you mind if they scooped it out of the toilet – since it’s all water and you don’t care about origins.

  • sillyhonda

    Hey Guys…GM Daewoo is much better than GM Holden in terms of quality. In fact, GM Daewoo has much fewer warranty claims than GM Holden..GM Holden is rubbish!!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    DEVO……………..if you got rid of your ties to one car maker and were a car enthusiast, you would realise your car maker you support do similar things (just as you sink boot into Holden on here). So here is a tip………. get over yourself and your Daewoo bashing and get real! I know what people are saying of Daewoo….. but lets see how they fare with Holden influencing much more in car making over in Korea!

  • http://fordnewsblog.wordpress.com Ben

    One word betters this (by a mile)… Mondeo… :D :P

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Maybe Mondeo is better – but cost constraints bought on by a market conscious buyer who always want a lower price means places like Korea, etc come into existence. Its cheaper then where Mondeo origin comes from and thats why Holden might well suceed with Korea as its “more competitive with exchange rate, etc”….. unlike most sensitive people who continually bash Daewoo for it.

  • Andrew M

    Just to add to the pot,
    Frosty and Bret are both techniclly right.

    As Bret says this vehicle is known as the new Global “Viva”, but since they are not calling it “Viva” in OZ Frosty is right in that its not a new Viva.

    and for the rest of the record, is was designed at the daewoo facility

  • Eddy The Expert

    from another site:

    While the GM Delta platform’s engineering ‘homeroom’ is located in Russelsheim in Germany and the Cruze’s chassis architecture also had input from GM teams in the US and Australia, its exterior design was led by former Fiat 500 designer Taewan Kim at GM Daewoo in Korea with assistance from GM Holden’s Max Wolff

    So to all you wankers screaming \”DAEWOO DAEWOO\” how about you get your facts straight.
    This cars platform is developed by GM Europe (Opel) and has a GMDAT designed body on top.

    And whats with people calling it cheap and nasty and shit and they haven\’t even seen the car let alone drive it.

    People on this site really need to grow up.

  • JEKYL & HYDE

    i really think this car can be good for aussies,and holden.to be fair,lets compare its opposition.cerato,i30,tiida,some premium models lesser cars eg corolla without esc,mazda 3 neo etc.gm will still have astra to compare with focus,corolla,civic,mazda 3 etc.sure beats viva…

    my mail says however that it is indeed cruze that will be made in australia,and not astra.i think thats a shame.i don’t think that aussies can build cruze better and cheaper than gm dat,however astra i think yes,better and cheaper.

    make no mistake though,alot of g.m.eggs are in this basket.if it’s no good,it may well be the last nail in g.m.’s coffin

    and bret,you know what you said,its still in black and white.apologize and move on.i’ve read all your other posts,you seem ok.just lose the g.m.chip on your shoulder,its getting old…

  • Ford Go Alot Better

    OK Eddy Expert and all you Holdenwoo nuts are confusing yourselfs, Designed and engineered in South Korea new Daewoo Lacetti is the Korean Cruze, Designed and engineered in South Korea Chevrolet Daewoo Cruze is still months away from reaching consumers in Europe and the United States but in Korea the model have been on sale. Whoops I repeated myself Designed and engineered in South Korea.

    Cruze production is slated to take place in Korea, Russia and US. As of now the model is scheduled to launch in Europe this March and as a 2010 model in the United States but with GM’s recent financial crisis both launches could potentially be delayed.

    There is talk of a Chrysler version , but still do not know anything.

    GM is so blind and arrogant, Holden and now big Daewoo fans keep defending something thats not worth defending.

    Cruze is aimed at people who don’t care what they drive, can’t compare this thing to a Ford Mondeo END OF STORY.

  • JEKYL & HYDE

    mr ford go betta man,

    compare apples and apples.i think INSIGNIA is your car.and guess what,you can trade up towards the end of the year.wasn’t it european car of the year?was mondeo even in the running?

    as 4 people who don’t care,that car starts with a T…

  • Eddy The Expert

    why on earth would you compare this to the Mondeo in the first place?

    This is a Focus competitor, not Mondeo.

    Tool.

  • Siebe

    Back end is ok, but it looks cheap and under-done. The front end? Not very appealing at all! Looks like they got all the angles wrong! This kind of styling is that which only a Holden fan could love.

  • Ford Go Alot Better

    What Insigma, can’t even buy one and it may never end up on our shores if GM keeps losing money, so your apples have turned into lemons just like most Holdens

    The Ford Focus will also be better because of its origins and european design.

    TOOL.

    Did you read about the Cruze, Designed/Engineered in South Korea, take the blinkers off and face facts.

  • sillyhonda

    It is obvious that GM Daewoo produces much better cars than GM Holden…So Bash GM Holden not GM Daewoo !!…Actually GM Daewoo has imported Holden Statesman (called Barrista in Korea) at a lot less than what Aussie paid for it but most Korean were shocked and laugh because of its terrible build quality… Approx 200 Statemants were sold for couple of years. .End of story…

  • Cupid Stunt

    Why compare this to a mondeo. The mondies a large car not a medium sized car. (its mm shorter than a falcon and wider).
    Nothing wrong with this, but like others have said why does Holden need another car in the range. Ans. for the same reason Toyota sell 4 small cars in Europe (iQ, Aygo, Yaris, Auris), they sell more of these than large cars.

  • Demonknight

    Good = Interior looks very sharp and very futuristic. I love the cluster and the steering wheel, nice colour combinations and the centre console is awesome.

    Bad = No projector head lamps. Those old style head lamps is a thing of the past.

    Question = Is this really a Daewoo? Again? Are they really that bad?

  • Ford Go Alot Better

    Question = Is this really a Daewoo? Again?

    Answer = Yes,

    Holden Rebadge Again = Yes

    Are they really that bad?

    Answer = Yes

    Why is it bad, well most non car enthusiasts wouldn’t know if it was a Daewoo, secondly if this didn’t have a lion badge slapped on the front the cruze would obviously struggle to sell period and lastly, there are more desirable car’s on offer.

  • Demonknight

    Thanks for the reply. At first glance I thought I’m seeing a new Torana, but when I saw those tail lights and the centre console resembles the looks of the Barina, I know is too good to be true. GM deserve to be at the state they’re in now by making poor quality cars like this. The only affordable and yet great overall quality car are Holdens and Chevy.

  • Air Force One

    What on earth is Holden doing these days, this car is so ugly from all angles. The only thing i think looks good is the dash and center console.
    Holden need to stop bringing these ugly Korean designed cars into Australia. Captiva, Viva, Epica, all yuck, i dont even know who Holden is trying to sell these junkie car to.
    Holden should have brought the Corsa (VXR)into Australia in the first place, they could have save so much money.

    So is this Cruze going to replace the Torana? If so then my next car is going to be the VW Golf R20T, sorry Australia.

  • o

    I personally think that holden should have all the European cars and then introduce chevy over here that can have all the daewoos.I see no point in manufacturing this car here as it will most likely be more expensive than if it comes from korea

  • Wheelnut

    If you want an idea of what teh car Holden will build here is most likely going to look like have a look at the cover of the Feb 09 issue of Wheels.
    Its based on the Sketches Holden designer Peter Hughes did last year when the idea of Holden building a small car in Australia was first mentioned.. It looks nothing like the new Astra or the Cruze

    You’ve got to remember when GM gave the go ahead to Holden building a new Small Car here they said that it would be an addition to the GM line up.. which means that it wouldn’t be a replica of an existing car built elsewhere in the world.

    As for the Torana – don’t be surprised if the Totrana does eventually make it into production. However it won’t be until both the Falcon and the COmmodore become more of a medium sized car which is expected to be around 2010.. I believe that Holden will build the Torana but continue to use the Commodore name.
    Particularly as the TT-36 Concept Car was built on a modified Zeta Platform and had a lot of styliong cues that the VE now has.

  • Wheelnut

    Why hasnt Mark Reuss and the other execs at Holden heard the message that is obviously cmoning in loud and clear from the majority of Holden Fans….

    That the Cars from Korea are an embarassment to them particularly and they believe that Holden should stop sourcing cars from Daewoo and reintroduce the small cars from Europe like the Corsa and Insignia..

    The reason Holden started to import Daewoos was a Decision by Dumb A-se Denny Mooney who did it as he thought it would save money whilst improving profit margins.
    However; the stock of Barinas Vivas etc was so slow to move that dealers had to reduce the prices so much that it virtually wiped out the expected profit.

    Whereas [despite the difference in excahnge rates between Australia and Korea/Europe] if Holden contined to import Cars from Europe they would have sold more of them which would have reduced the cost per unit making the cost to import them the same as importing cars from Korea.

    So yet again Holden is suffering because of an Americans incometence and stupidity – who when he returned to the USA was promoted.

    If Ford can import small cars [full o safety features etc] from Europe and sell them at a competitive price why Can’t Holden?

    If I was in the market for a Small Car ATM I would definitely go straight for a new Ford Fiesta or Focus

  • Wheelnut

    Holden Fans don’t particularly like their world class Australian designed and built Commodore Sedan/Ute/Wagon being associated with a budget inferior quality Korean Car.. they would rather it be associated with another world class well built European designed and car like the Corsa Insignia or Opel GT

    If Holden are going to keep importing Daewoos then why don;t they sell them as Daewoos and market them as a direct rival to Daihatsu – which is virtually the only car company in Australia with cars that are of the same poor quality and safety etc.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    LMAO…………………costs to produce and exchange rate is vastly better at Korea then other areas. Low production costs and a better return means Holden go into that market……………. the sooner some on here get over this stigma and twisted interpretation that they should sell them as Daewoos the better (Holden are smarter then that and the sooner people get over there twisted understanding and realise that this time Holden have had a vastly better input into making the car and suspension settings then its for the better). Geepers some on here are twisted and bent!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Think outside your Aussie mentality and think outside that! Holden is a global company and will source savings or a better production method if it presents itself. And it has! So get over your bubbleworld and live in “bigger picture”

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    I laugh at the diehards who think Ford is Aussie and Holden is Aussie and hang on fully to that with very twisted strong views (sometimes tad over top to declare that as well) – they then like most people buy “cheap” products and dont look at bigger picture as live in a small world and are too emotional with cars to draw that thinking! Any company wants to draw that accounting line… cheap manufacture and maximum profits whilst competing against other companies!

  • Demonknight

    I agree Holden should have imported the Insignia instead of the cheap useless Daewoo. Does Holden realise that nobody like Daewoo at all? What on hell are they marketing people doing? Importing and rebadging cars that people hate?! I know this is the GM way of cost cutting but my god have they actually look at the exterior of the Cruze? This is ugly. Don’t tell me that Mark Ruess is one of those Amercian GM people that’s f88king up the company in the states. This is just giving Holden a bad name.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    If only if it was possible to buy “all” Aussie items that compete on world stage against other suppliers…. it just doesnt happen! So thus companies do shop around and that is reality in market place worldwide! Get over your shallow simple mindset and think global and competition!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Cruze is not ugly and looks fine…… lets see how it sells, how sorted seriously suspension is and how serious seats are as most Korean cars are too flat and unsuportive in seats and more importantly how serious on price/inclusions!

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    JEKYL & HYDE Says:
    February 27th, 2009 at 11:48 am
    six speed auto with active select.gotta hate that if your a kia cerato salesperson.can’t wait for a comparison…

    SALESMAN SAYS
    Just means it will be always looking for a gear. very annoying to have a car julting between gears every few seconds. Is what i will tell my customers anyway :)

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Frontman Says:
    February 27th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
    {Salesman that is the biggest clue as to who I am that you’ll ever get.}

    I am still completely lost on this one. I know you had more to do with GH and JW and that you ran a Daewoo workshop but you did not work for RSA. Were you a state manager? A wholesaler? A mechanic? Did you work or do you work for Brisbane Proton? Are you Eric D? aaaaagggghhh its doing my head in……..

  • JEKYL & HYDE

    salesman,

    sounds like you want to sell some omega’s my friend…

    by the way june commodore v6 will have 6 speed auto’s.maybe they will be always looking for a gear also…

  • Andrew M

    the front looks ok, and the interior looks good too, but the rear still screams daewoo.

    Wheelnut,
    from memory the car on the front of wheels is pretty much this very car.
    the “new” holden small car is a daewoo design, not a new holden design.
    its well documented that its a GMDAT vehicle thats gonna be built here, i dont know how you can still say it isnt

    Daewoos are a lot better than they used to be. even the current barina is a decent car when you compare it to some of its competition (in particular the Hyundai)

    I actually reckon they will sell the pants off this thing thanks to holdens typiclly great marketing and blind badge followers.
    all round it looks like a half decent effort.
    people who want great handling/dynamics or what ever wont really care when buying in this class anyway

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    JEKYL & HYDE
    Looking for gears and new owners too

  • Duck

    Some guys say this is a Daewoo. Its not! It is a Chevrolet. Chevrolet are going to build all Cruzes from the second half of this year for Holden and exporting to Oz and from next year Holden will be locally producing Cruzes here.

  • Duck

    “Barina, Astra, Captiva, Viva, Epica, now another Daewoo Cruze ??????????????

    The rear end tail lights look Korean (KIA) and the front screams Epica gone wrong not inspiring at all.

    CRUZE > MADE IN KOREA, AGAIN SADLY REBADGED BY GM-HOLDEN.”

    Ford Go Better, youve got all your facts wrong! So don’t even bother posting comments on CarAdvice would ya! Twit!

  • Duck

    Some people are so negative. It doesnt even say where its made in the article.

    I hope Holden succeed with THIS car that IS MADE IN AUSTRALIA FROM NEXT YEAR.

  • Duck

    “The imported model will go on sale later in the year, then in 2010 Holden will begin building the car right here in Australia, alongside the Holden Commodore, where it may be restyled to suit local tastes.”

    Source: WebWombat/Motoring

  • Frontman

    Not Eric, nor did I go to work for Eric after I finished with Proton (never worked for Proton though).

  • Frontman

    Today’s news about Opel anwers the question about two competing cars on the one platform.

  • Ford Go Alot Better

    AUSTRALIA LION BADGES WILL BE MOULDED AND CAREFULLY ATTACHED FOR THE CRUZE WHICH IS MADE IN SOUTH KOREA.

    WHO IS GM-HOLDEN-DAEWOO KIDDING.

  • Duck

    ^Not facts once again!

  • Wheelnut

    I just contacted one of my mates who work at the Holden Factory and he said that [from what hes been told] this is the car Holden will be building here in 2010.. we will just be getting the imported model until the Locally built car comes on line by which stage there would have been a few changes made to the [look of the] car

  • Radster

    Hey Jekyl&Hyde

    You mentioned in one of your posts earlier today that the Commodore v6 will have a 6 speed auto in June. I really hope so, but there was no mention at MIMS of any upgrades other than an International version being released in March which is based on the current Omega. VF in 2010 perhaps?

    Cheers!
    Radster

  • Frontman

    Duck, I’m not going to get into an argument, but really? I think you should look into the facts a little bit harder. Chevrolet brand all the GM-DAT vehicles going from Korea to Europe. Same aas the Statesman gets branded a Buick in export markets. This is the same car as the Daewoo Lacetti (current model) and all the ones comming to Aust pre domestic build will be built in Korea. That is the fact.
    However, the Cerato & the I30 are proof that the Koreans can lift their game so as long as that has flowed over into GM-Daewoo then it’ll be okay. C & P the link I posted earlier and remove the spaces it’ll help you to understand.

  • UK

    ITS JUST SIMPLY A REBADGED OF DAEWOO LACETTI. THATS ALL

  • UK

    Except Commodore, Holden cannot design and build their own sedan car (just rebadge from Daewoo).

  • Myke

    Just went to the Motorshow and I sat in the Cruze, I must say it seemed like a very good car. Build quality is a huge step up from previous Korean Holdens and the interior looks great, especially the CDX with leather seats. I’m sure it will be a very good car.

  • Frenchie

    I’m driving a Caprice at the moment and the 6 speed in that doesn’t hunt through the gears.

    Whats more annoying is all the 50Kph and 60Kph zone that I’m driving through. Even then I’m lucky to sit on those speed limits.

  • JEKYL & HYDE

    radster,

    providing they’re still alive,it will come.215kw direct injection with 6 speed auto.NO idea about vf yet.gm arn’t looking that far ahead.

    i actually asked someone from holden about why make cruze here when you could import it cheaper,and he said in a round about way that it was the best way not to sack more aussie workers,and that the aussie gov’t was going to help,so why not.that reason alone should convince some people to buy it.

    my dads mate has a farm in country nsw.every year he grows garlic for the markets.its really good quality produce.although he has no contract with coles and woolies,every year they ring him and want more.back to the point of things,i think that if the cruze is good quality,reliable,fuel efficient,and ok looking,then it shouldn’t really matter where it’s made,people will buy it.if it’s aussie made,that might sell it easier…

  • Duck

    Exactly what I said Wheelnut!

  • o

    Aussie workers at car factories practically deserve there demise.We practically forced other manufacturers out Ala Renault.I was looking forward to seeing that beautiful Holden sketch made into a car now i see Holdens manufacturing is just a me to excersise.Why build a car in two places when it can be imported cheaper from 1? good to see gm has not realized its mistakes.Where ford foucus will be buit in US,germany and austrlaia that is one facotry for each region.

  • Wheelnut

    O; I don’t agree that the aussie workers at ar factories practically deserve theie demise… as they aren’t the ones making the stupid decisions as to which cars they should be making etc. In Holdens case; those decisions are being made by an ingorant arrogant narrow minded old fart in Detrioit.

    However; I do agree with you in relation to buiild ing a car here that is already being built elsewhere.
    The Cruze [which is based on the Astras Delta II platform] will also be built in Korea and China whereas the Opel Insignia is only being built in Europe

    Therefore; IMHO it would have been more logical for Holden to build [a RWD version of] the new Insignia because its far more cheaper for Holden to import cars from Korea and China; than it is to import cars from Europe.

    My mates who work at the Holden Factory also believe the Insignia or the Corsa would have been a better option
    [as does Wheels magazine]

  • Wheelnut

    Even if Holden didn’t buid a new small car Like the Cruze here; but decided to build say the new Torana, Camaro Chevy HH-R Insignia or whatever.. The federal gumnmint would virtually be forced to contribute some money towards the project particularly as they gave Toyota $35m to build a Hybrid Camry here.. a car that Toyota were going to build here anyway

    So the $35m is just a bit of extra spending money for Toyota – but KRudd likes to think that it was more of an incentive that clinched the deal for Australia.

    The govt relaises that its better to give the local car manufacturers money to keep them operational and keep Aussies in jobs.. than it is to spend more money in the form of centrelink payments to the 1000s of ex-car factory workers.

    I mean by keeping as many people in work the gummint can recover some of that money in the form of income tax etc not to mention help stimulate the economy which they wouldn’t be able to do if Holden Ford & Toyota closed

  • Andrew M

    Wheelnut,
    But dont forget Holden’s getting their fair share for building the cruze here too even though no R&D was done on it here.
    Even the execs say the reason they are doing it is to tap into the Govs funds.

    Perhaps the Insignia wasnt considered for here as it looks like GM wont own Opel shortly…….
    GM invested a lot of their future into the Daewoo facility, it would seem a bit odd for them not to utilise it to the max i suppose.

    Oh,
    so you are on side now that this will in fact be the very car holden are making here in the future??

  • Wheelnut

    Andrew M – I admit that this is the Car Holden ewill be building Yet I still believe it makes more sense to build a car from countries which its more expensive to import cars from.

    The fact that GM might not own Opel is even more reason why GM should allow Holden to make the Insignia rather than the Cruze.
    Because whilst they still own/control Opel they have the rights to the Epsillion platform on which the Insignia is built and can decide where it will be built etc.

    So if/when Opel does break-away from GM they will still have a car company that can build what is tipped to be one of the best medium sized cars in the world with the flexibility of being able to be sold in RWD AWD and FWD.

    I mean one of the reasons GM is in trouble is because they have a number of plants in the USA [most operating at less than 80% capacity] that are close together producing the same car as one another..
    Which is virtually what will be happening here with the Cruze being built in Korea and Australia as both are in the Asia region

    As I have said before they will continue import Daewoos but they could/should sell them as Daewoos and market them agianst Daihatsus as they are of the same build quality

  • Andrew M

    Wheelnut,
    They are only producing another vehicle in OZ because they are getting government money.
    From there on I think the decision to go with the Cruze over the Insignia is that they believe they will sell a higher volume fo Cruzes than they will Insignias, and i believe they would too.

    Sell Daewoos as Daewoos???
    thats what brought about there undoing forcing them to leave aussie shores in the first place.
    Selling Daewoos as Daewoos will bring about even less consumer confidence in the product than there is in the rebadged product. At least when they re badge them they can hide their past from the unsuspecting (which is a lot of consumers).
    It would also cost them more with the upkeep of Daewoo dealerships

  • Wheelnut

    Andrew M – GM and Holden had plans to build another Small-Medium sized car here long ago.. [about the same time as the VT was released]
    Since then they have been looking for and working possible projects as tThey wanted to utilise the other production line at the Elizabeth factory which had been stting idle since they stopped making the JS Vectra

    Don’t you remember the discussions/argurements on this site when the TT-36 Torana was revealed that it could/should be the other car that Holden build.. then there was the possibility of other Commodre based derivatives like a Crewman or a new Sandman.. Not to mention the rumours about the new Camaro/Monaro being built here.

    Regardless of what car Holden built here as soon as the Gummint heard about the possibility of another car being built here they would chip in with a couple of extra $mill.. just as they did with the Oz Hybrid Camry
    [which Toyota were going to do anyway]

    Does it really matter why they’re building another car here – we should be glad that they are building another car here which will create another 400-600 jobs at Holden

  • Andrew M

    Wheelnut,
    the talk around the VT Era was that the commodore was possibly going to be replaced with a smaller choice which was predicted to be the Vectra

    Oh, and for the record, Holden had to apply for the funding for the small car, the governmment doesnt follow the rumour mill looking where to throw money.
    But either way, yes it is irrelevant because its good for aussies either way

    Since the funding pool was announced Ford has also looked into how they can take their upcoming Focus Program further in order to qualify for some of the pie too.
    If the money is there, manufacturers are silly not to use it

  • Wheelnut

    Andrew M: If they were going to replace the Commodore with the Vectra.. then why did they stop making it at Elizabeth 2 years prior?
    Surely if that was going to happen they would have continued to make the Vectra here and gradually ceased production of the Commodore line [after the VZ]

    No – The discussion was more about building another car which would utilise Holdens expertise etc which is why the medium sized TT-36 was touted as a strong possibility mainly because its built on the Zeta platform which is essentially a smaller version of the VEs Zeta platform..

    However; when Opel started work on the Insignia and the “Torana” was put on ice.. So Discussion then switched over to the possibility of the Insignia being built here as it is also a medium sized car which can be built in RWD as well as FWD and AWD – which would be perfect as it can utilise Holdens RWD expertise.

    Remember people were sceptical about them making a small car here because history has shown they’re not reallty that viable .. but times have changed

  • Steve-Poyza

    I like the front, not so much the rear. It’s growning on me though. The interior looks very high quality.
    It is a rebadged Chevrolet Cruze which is the replacemnt of the Daewoo Lacetti or in the US the Chevrolet Cobalt. It is a golbal product… So don’t think it is ‘just another Daewoo’ for Holden. I think they’ve actually brought something good over here.

  • o

    Why did Toyota get 35mill to do effectively nothing what R&D was involved it is already made in USA and Thailand.Same with cruze a diesel Has been developed why get the money.I have heard that espillon 2 is available in RWD.Also i thought HSV was going to announce they would import the insignia OPC.Also is sydney motor show going to be moved to march next year instead of october?

  • Wheelnut

    O – that is my point; the govt gave Toy-okyo $35m to make it seem as if they were the ones who enticed/convinced Toyota to build the Hybrid Canary in Australia when they were going to anyway..
    The Gummint are also trying to make it seem as though they convinced GM-H to build a small car even though they had been pl;anning to build another car here in Australia since 2000

    As for the Insignia – HSV are seriously looking at bringning in a couple of new cars from Europe including the Corsa and maybe even the Insignia to increase their range. Which means that if they can put forward a strong enough case and see enough potential for it they could actually convince Holden to import the Insignia as well

    I Can’t understand why Holden don’t build the RWD Insignias here as they are GMs RWD experts and the Cruze can be imported from Korea much cheaper than the Insignoa can be fimported from Europe

  • Jake02

    I actually sat in this at the Motorshow, and wasnt particularly impressed. Holden even said that this car would look much different to the Chevy/Daewoo versions but its just got a Holden badge on the front. Interior was alright, good quality etc but I’d much rather an Astra thanks!

  • Andrew M

    Wheelnut,
    The RWD expertise part is irrelevant once the platform is developed.

    So are all the RWD engineers the ones that actually assemble the vehicle???

  • Wheelnut

    Andrew M – The RWD expertise part is irrelevant once the platform is developed.

    Even though a car may be built on the same platform as another car or share the same components etc.. a nunber of tweaks in the right areas [such as suspension etc] can have an impact on the way a car performs and handles

    Have a look at the work Holden engineers [including Peter hannenberger] put in to the Original VB series Commodores and you’ll see how much better it’s handling and performance was/is compared to the Opel Rekord which used the same Platform.
    Improvements that Holden continued to make right through to the VS series at which point Opel stopped making the Rekord.

  • Andrew M

    Wheelnut,
    I think you miss my point.
    The engineering isnt done on the assembly floor.

    The engineers could make changes whilst sitting at a computer on the moon if they wanted to

  • Wheelnut

    I know that designers and engineers can make changes to a car with the click of a [mouse] button.. However; computer simulationsec are no substiute for actual track testing etc.. nothing comes close

    Look at V8 supercars [For Example] One Ford/Holden] team may make changes to the set up of a car which improves the car yet another Ford/Holden team might make changes which make the car handle like a Dog.. they thought they would have worked given the data they had from the computers but it wasn’t until they got out on the track that they found out whether or not those changes worked.

    Yet going by your logic because the cars are built on the same platform the changes they made shouldn’t have had an impact on the cars performance and jandling at all.

  • Andrew M

    Once again missing the point……….

    OK,
    how many times last year did Campbell Little Drive the #888 machine of Craig Lowndes????

    Campbell does the bit he knows best by sitting at the computer and relying on feedback from the guy (Craig) who knows his part in how to drive the thing.

    FPV used to use John Bowe to conduct their testing (not sure if they still do), and his job was to give feedback, not engineer the car in the same way the engineer/s didnt drive the car.

    the engineering can be done from a remote location, thats my point.
    I could go on and on with many examples

  • Wheelnut

    So what your saying is that a car that I drive on my Playstation 3 will handle exactly the same way as the same car does on the road and vice versa….

    My point was that given that Holden have experience and expertise in developing a RWD [the Commodore] and making improvements so its performance and handling is better than the car on which its based [The Rekord].. I believe it makes more sense for Holden to build a Small-Medium RWD Car thereby taking advantage of Holdens expertise..

    I mean [apart from the mini] BMW focus on RWD cars because that;’s what they’re good at – just like Holden

  • Wheelnut

    Andrew M Says: Wheelnut,
    The RWD expertise part is irrelevant once the platform is developed.

    So what your saying Andrew is regardless of what changes Holden make to the Car it won’t have any effect because it all depends on the Platform.

    If that’s the case then ALL the Fords and Holdens in the V8s should all perform and handle in exactly the same way have the same amount of tyre wear etc.. regardless of the changes the engine-nerds make or the drivers level of skill

    Yet as we saw last year the way that 888 set up their cars made them that little bit better than DJR – same applies for HRT and BJR.

  • Wheelnut

    …. and it wasn’t done by just the click of a mouse it also involved a number of track days and testing to get the right balance…. That is my point.

  • Duck

    “and all the ones comming to Aust pre domestic build will be built in Korea.”

    Frontman, they will be built in Australia! After the american ones!

  • Al Juraj

    I actually appreciated the car when I saw it. The dashboard looks (way) better than the Commodore’s and interior quality is decent for a Korean made vehicle. The auto transmission has more gears than an SV6, and the 1.8-litre engine puts out 3kw more than the equally displaced Corolla, but getting these great numbers on the road has yet to be seen, as is the car’s overall worth. The upcoming Mazda3 looks very promising and should be set to top the class.

    It looks like Seoul finally has a soul (other than the new Hyundai Genesis coupe). GM should get this right if they want to remain in business. I believe it’s way better than past Daewoos, but to compete against the best in the game remains in question.

  • Duck

    “The Chevrolet Cruze is a compact car produced by General Motors (GM) since 2008, replacing two unrelated cars—the Chevrolet Cobalt and Daewoo Lacetti. First introduced in 2008 for the South Korean market as the the Daewoo Lacetti Premiere, this replaced the car of the same name sold since 2003. The previous generation Lacetti was sold throughout Asia, Europe and Oceania as either a Buick, Chevrolet, Daewoo or Holden. GM will replace the previous Lacetti model with the new Cruze throughout 2009; using the same badge engineering strategy employed before. Australasian-market versions will be sold as the Holden Cruze from the second quarter of 2009, with a closely-related, and more upmarket locally-produced model to be sold alongside from 2010. Also in 2010, the North American Chevrolet Cobalt will be phased out and replaced by the Chevrolet Cruze.”

    Source: Wikipedia

    And so what if it is a korean design. It looks good. The only korean made Cruzes are the Daewoo Lacetti Premiere’s.

  • Duck

    ^And the Lacetti Premiere’s are only going to be sold in Korea and Europe.

  • Duck

    The Holden Cruze won’t be Korean made! Get it right Al Juraj!

  • Shak

    HI neva posted here b4 but just read my feb and march issues of WHEELS. First of all this is not the car Holden will be producing, that will be an all new design and it will ride on the same platform as the new astra. I am a dead red supporter but iam very dissapointed in holdens recent efforts Eg: epica, barina viva Captiva is okay as shown by its steady sales. But overall the name Holden made for itself over its sixty year history has been spat on by shoddy Korean products. Now if only the insignia could make its way into Mark Reuss’ portfolio then we could come back as a world class company.

  • Wheelnut

    The Cruze was an AWD version of the Suzuki Ignis – which was a pretty good car for what it was.. but surely Holden could have thought of another [ more Australian ] name..?

  • Andrew M

    Wheelnut,
    Back to the basics of the discussion.

    Im saying that the engineering can be done from a remote location ie not side by side with the car.

    do you agree with that??

    Im saying that RWD techs sitting in OZ can still assist and further develop a platform thats sold in Europe

    Do you agree with that??

    Im saying that making a second RWD vehicle here (in OZ) based on the location of the engineers for the platform alone doesnt make sense because of the first 2 points I stated

    Do you agree with that??

    The Engineers dont go out and drive the thing all day and then come back and see what they can improve.
    The Engineers are given feedback from others, and then go forward to improve in regards to feedback given. They also do not Implement the changes they direct/reccommend.

    Do you agree with that??

  • Wheelnut

    If its not the same Shak.. look at the front-on 1/4 shot of the Cruze and the inmage of the car on the cover of the february issue of Wheels and you will see a number of similarities.
    Mind you the car would have had a facelift by the time the Aussie built small car is finally released…. guess we will have to wait and see.

    Personally I prefer the look of the car on the cover of Wheels.

  • Andrew M

    Sorry Shak,
    you are mistaken.

    Holden are not making a totally new car.
    The wheels publication is very misleading.
    What they are making is a GMDAT designed vehicle which is this one

  • Wheelnut

    I agree with you Andrew in as much that the work doesn’t necessarily have to be done by Holdens engine-nerds..
    Holden can use the data that has been collected from overseas.. and that setting up a car to find the right balance is a matter of trial and error.

    However; Holden have a history of imporving the handling and performance of GMs cars [like the Rekord] which is why they are heavily involved in a number of GM projects that are primarily RWD.. Holden are GMs RWD experts and Opel are GMs FWD experts

    Which is why it makes More Sense for Holden to build a second RWD car – such as the Insignia.. as it will be developed using Holdens History with Developing RWD cars.
    Even more so given that Opel could break-away from GM and the Insignias platform is one of the most flexible in the GM line up.

    So its most likely that Holden will do the finishing work in relation to the handling etc of the Cruze themnselves here in Australia.. and not hust whack on a Holden badge

    In the past there are a number of cars from overseas which are set up for what the engineers back in the USA Japan or Europe think will be the ideal set up for Australia but more often than not they get it all wrong.. The Taurus is a perfect example.

    Which is why they now come to Australia or send cars to Australia for local engine-mnerds to test drive set up before sending the car bask home which is then used as a template/benchmark

    As I have said befroe by the time the Aussie made versions of the Cruze are released the car would have had a facelift so it could end up looking llike the car on the cover of wheels

  • Wheelnut

    Andrew The Cruze wasn’t completely designed in Korea by Daewoo.. Holden had a fair amount of input in relation to the design of the Car to make it look more in keeping with other cars in the Holden range.
    Alot of the design work was actually done at Holdens state of the art design studios in Melbourne.

    They wanted the car to have more of a [rounded] European Look rahter than an [Boxy/Edgy] Asian look

  • Ford Go Alot Better

    Looks very Korean too me, have a good look at the rear end, screams cheap and nasty, built for budget buyer’s and really should purchase a used car > not brand new rebadged Daewoo’s.

  • UK

    Cruze is the Holden’s answer to Kia’s Cerato.
    It looks so nice. I’d rather buy it than choose Corolla or Civic.

  • Bret

    Duck,
    Just admit it: Cruze WILL be imported from KOREA until it is built here later.

    You are not comprehending what you are reading properly.
    Don’t go on showing your lack of intelligence by Cut n pasteing selected texts out of context.

  • al

    I saw the pic of this on the DRIVE latest drive email newsletter. My first thought was ..eeewwww it looks Korean to me!.. so I googgled ..holden cruze korean?.. and sure enough is was. I dont care if gmdat is fully integrated or not, its still Korean. I dont care how far other posts here say Korean cars have come, they are still Korean. This reeks of Epica and all the other card GM have rebadged. It might be a good time to mention they have all flopped without exception. Why? They are Korean NOT Holden or even GM. NO Amreican cars have worked when sold here? Why? Because they are rubbish (with the exception perhaps of some of the Chryslers during the Daimler-Chrysler era. No rebadged Korean cars have worked when sold here. Why? because they are rubbish. People expect to pay less for Korean. Putting a GM badge on it does NOT make it worth more does it? By the way, it looks horrid! And why the heck doesnt this stupid site let you use apostrophes?

  • al

    And by the way, NOTHING would induce me to buy a Korean car… NOTHING! I don’t care how much input GM has had. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it’s a duck. Just like ALL the other rebadged rubbish, it won’t sell. I was right about all the other rebadge jobs, and I’ll be right about this one!

  • sillyhonda

    Actually, the guy who has designed Cruze had also designed Fiat 500..He is a Korean and his name is Mr. Tae Kim. In addition. as I see, the Cruze looks very similar to Holden Commodore so why guys hates this deign?..Do you guys also know that GM Volt has been desgined by Korean?

  • sillyhonda

    Hey Guys…GM Daewoo is much better than GM Holden in terms of quality. In fact, the cars from GM Daewoo such as Viva, Epica, Cativa have induced much fewer warranty claims than GM Holden such as GM Commordore..GM Holden is rubbish!!

  • sillyhonda

    The Cruze’s timing belt needs to be replaced at 170,000 Km on the other hand, (Holden) Opel Astra needs at 60,000 Km…GM OPel is also rubbish!!

  • Duck

    “Duck,
    Just admit it: Cruze WILL be imported from KOREA until it is built here later.

    You are not comprehending what you are reading properly.
    Don’t go on showing your lack of intelligence by Cut n pasteing selected texts out of context”

    Wrong! So Bret I’m showing my lack of intelligence because I’m telling true facts from a website? Maybe you should read it for yourself if you don’t believe me! You are the one showing little intelligence! Your so aroggant! You haven’t even read the passage you twit!!!! You are the one showing little intelligence!

  • Duck

    And where’s your proof? Instead of throwing CRAP at me!

    I’d appreciate it if you gave me some sorta facts.

  • Wheelnut

    Al – name one decent Dodge-Chrysler that was sold in Oz during the Daimler Chrysler era: The Crossfire.. The Neon.. The Voyager.. PT Cruiser…. Nope Not one!

    Mind you – nothing has changed with the current models: The Sebring.. The Nitro.. The Calibre.. The Avenger

    The only decent Dodge-Chrysler is the new Challenger which unfortuanately doen’t look like making it to Australia

  • Wheelnut

    Al – Comments like yours are what you expect from someone whose beloved car manufacturer is under threat from a smaller lesser known company.. You’re not a Toyota fan are you

    Because believe it or not.. Korean cars have come along way – evident by the ever increasing popularity of Hyundais and Kias which together are gradually starting to take sales away from the bigger car manufacturers like Toyota particularly in the hatchback market.

    Why? probably because people are starting to realise how much their reliability and build quality etc has improved; that they offer better value for money and are cheaper to repair and maintain than say the Yaris-Corolla.

    Therefore; Now that Daewoo has support from both GM and Holden there is no real reason why their cars shouldn’t be as good.. you get what you pay for

    A number of Auto industry experts are saying give them time and the Korean car manufacturers are expected to be bigger more powerful than the Japanese are ATM

    BTW the Hyundai Genesis coupe is possibly going to be the worlds most powerful/fastest sub $50K RWD sports car

  • JEKYL & HYDE

    sillyhonda man,

    your info is 4 years out of date.astra went from 60k(t.s) to 90k(ah before xer) to 150k (xer motors, my8.5 onwards)

    and gm opel do make gm’s best cars,although i will admit some early offerings has issues.aussie temps and roads have distroyed a few.give me corsa,astra,insignia over barina,viva,epica any day…

  • o

    I honestly do not think that the cruze will be built here.
    Why?
    Simple it is cheaper to import from Korea with more profits.
    Holden will then either build the new Astra or that beautiful sketch that had been going around.And sell it for the same price as the current Astra.Therefore bigger profits and Holden is appealing to the cheapo and the premiums.Also i would not be surprised if the VF adopts insignia style grill and headlamps. With a insignia style dash.Also you will notice that the cruze has a Opel/vauxhall grill which i think is a very good move.

  • Duck

    Wheelnut do you believe that Chevrolet will make the first Cruzes and send them to Australia late this year and GM-H will start building them here from next year?

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    o – It’s unlikely that Holden will be building the new model Astra here as approximately 90% of the R&D work is done and are ready to release the new model – although that could change if Opel breaks away from GM-H

    The car that Holden is going to build will most likely look like the car which appears on the cover of wheels which is very similar to the car in these photos – with a slight facelift which the Cruze is expected to have by the time the Aussie made version is released next year.

    I still think Holden would do better to build the RWD versions of the Opel Insignia [and maybe even the AWD version] which makes even more sense given that as I said Opel could break away from GM.

    As for the VF the way it looks and its features have been locked and from what my mates a the Factory have told me it will look virtually the same as the VE

  • Cupid Stunt

    Sillyhonda man – he he that’s great. You are of course attempting pathetically to be contraversial.

    Wheelnut see you and Andrew are still thrashing it out. My thoughts are Holden are making errors by introducing Asian cars as re-badged Holdens. The problem is, as you have stated, is that the Euro sourced cars are possibly too expensive for the Australian market. Punters won’t pay the full price especially after reliability problems are taken into account. Take the Astra, I’m guessing it is no big seller, it’s not a bad car but up against the Cruze which is cheaper it won’t sell well. I think Holden (GM) should have the two ranges as they do in the UK, Vauxhall for better, more expensive cars and Chevrolet for the cheaper option. Problem is then, too many cars for not enough buyers so why have both together. It’s a real tricky problem for Holden to deal with, given they have got it wrong recently with the what they have then two ranges with different names may be the way to go. I’m told the next Astra is a big improvement over the current one, more of the Insignia.

    Also I wouldn’t be so sure about a RWD on the epsilon platform. Yes I know most folk who read CA prefer the RWD bit but the vast majority are not bothered by it, especially in the lower performance sector. I know the Insignia is a FWD and 4WD platform it is not strictly a purely RWD base. The cost of re-engineering engines and transmission for just the Australian market for what is considered a medium size car with lesser are too high for the volumes. The Epsilon platform is the Global platform from GM and will be used pretty much everywhere from articles I have read a range of cars will be made from it, RWD was not mentioned.

    Back to Holdens problem – they really need to analyse the market more. What are Toyota doing (the No. One in Australia). I know… selling large numbers of smaller cars that are more reliable with the best customer follow up in the game and cheaper to repair. Nuff said.

  • Ford GT-40

    GM-HOLDEN-DAEWOO ARE REBADGE KINGS, NO OTHER MANUFACTURER REBADGE IN SUCH LARGE NUMBERS, YOU CAN SEE WHY THEY LOSE RESPECT AND MONEY BY THE SHIP LOAD..

  • Bret

    Duck, where do you think Chevrolet will build most of their Cruze’s? The GMDAT plant in KOREA!

    And “O”:
    “GM design executive Simcoe says the sedan and hatch versions of Holden’s small car will be near-identical – both inside and out – to the Chevrolet Cruze versions rather than custom-designed for Australia.”

  • Duck

    Where’s your facts Bret? I’d need some facts first. I think you are just assuming and being arrogant towards Chevrolet. And to Holden for that matter.

  • Duck

    Apparently the Cruze could replace the Viva and the Astra.

  • Andrew M

    Duck,
    Bret is right.
    the cruze is currently made in Korea, and the aussie made version is still gonna be the cruze

    deal with it dude

  • Bret

    Duck, just because it’s a Chev doesn’t mean it’s buit in the US.

    And jut to keep you happy:

    “A North American edition of the Cruze is slated to go into production in mid-2010 at GM’s Lordstown plant in Ohio..”

    Can’t see how they can import it from the US before they actually start building it there!

    Duck Says:
    March 5th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
    “Apparently the Cruze could replace the Viva and the Astra”

    Which rock exactly have you been under??

  • JEKYL & HYDE

    wheelnut,

    a friend pointed this out to me this arvo.look at the tt torana’s front 1/4 panels and wheel arch,then the cruze’s.hope this makes you smile just a little…

  • Duck

    Brett, here you go then……….

    “Holden’s engineers were also significantly involved in the development of the car – the replacement for the Astra and Viva, most likely to be called the Cruze – making it by far the most ‘Australian’ vehicle of its type in history when it is rolled out in 2010.

    Furthermore, Holden hopes to trump Ford’s locally-built Focus small car by beating it to market by up to a year.”

    Website: GoAuto

    So what website did you get yours from then? Ha?

  • JEKYL & HYDE

    duck,

    let it go.cruze will come at least initially from korea.retreat now,and prepare for the really big battle at this months end…

  • Bret

    Duck,
    I don’t see what you are trying to say with you CnP quote. There’s nothing there that isn’t well known. What is your point? The replacing Viva bit? That was covered hundreds of post ago.
    BTW look for a 3 door hatch: styled in Aus. (But still engineered by GMDAT).

  • Sonic

    I cannot even imagine an exterior design more boring then the cruze. Maybe 10 years ago it would have looked appealing… but today it’s up against brilliant looking Fords and Mazdas. Annoying thing is, it’ll probably sell more then the Focus.

  • DISASTER IN THE MAKING

    Yet another poor attempt by Holden to make money with a cheap inferior product although this is prefered to building a local four cylinder after the debarcles of the past.
    I can guarantee Holden are well and truely heading for disaster when they start building a local four cylinder vehicle. Every four cylinder car Holden have built has been nothing short of an unmitigated disaster.
    Mark Reuss is a poster boy for GM execs and the reason GM is in bankruptcy.

  • Let’s get real

    If Holden/Daewoo have any hope of meeting their sales figures with this car they better offer a 5 year unlimited kilometer warranty. But the reality is, they’d probably go bankrupt (for good) after 3 years if they were to honour this warranty. We all know that Holden’s are far from reliable… very, very far from reliable. GM service, labour and spare parts would exceed the value of the car by year 5!!!

  • Rich

    When will Holden realise that these Deawoo built cars will never cut it in Australia.

    I dint care where Its designed . It’s the modern equivalent of saying I drive a Polski Fiat , Lada or Trebant.

  • http://holdencruze Lucas

    Wats a daewoo??????????