there was a nice ba fairmont 5.4 for $10500

i picked up a fairmont for a mate, its just about 100% on driveability and comfort with a $24000 VE 6.0 that is technically a pretty good package more like a $250,000 car in a $45000-50000 vehicle.

but i still picked up a fairmont for ten grand

After 4000rpm it sill moves, but the 6.0L L76 aka L98 will simply pull away and beat the performance of BFII 5.4L 3V by at least 25-30%.

But as far as anything below 4000rpm is concerned, the BFII Fairmont Ghia 5.4L 3V is a car to buy and for you to enjoy cruising, long trips in.

The speed limits are 40, 50, 60, 80 up to 110km/h, all you need is part throttle in this 5.4L car configured with 6 speed ZF and you\’ll see how those conservative 230kW feel like 320kW in a boosted XR6 Turbo and how its 500Nm at 3500rpm feel like 700Nm+. Even my G6E Turbo feels kind of thin and weak, but is quicker than BFII Ghia, but does not provide that instant burst of power and torque that 5.4L 3V 230kW/500Nm V8 can deliver with 6 speed ZF.

sarah r

on the other hand …. aurion would have no chance with a falcon xt , whether its a BA or a BF or an FG, once Aurion hits 120km/h…. a Falcon will start to pull away , once a Falcon arrives at 200km/h , aurion is physically 100m behind a falcon, and has no chance to close the gap.

these are the facts , where TORQUE plays the big part at pushing and turning those gears of a falcon.

this is quite strange.

at the end of the day, a falcon may have 5 , 10 or 15kw less …. but in essence the engine is a TORQUE monster ….. plus all that torque is produced in a low rpm range, hence the reason for a 3.23 diff ratio and lower gearing….

a 6 speed ZF does not improve much, makes a car feel more alert, but in reality its only 0.5 of a 100th of 1 second faster than a 4 speeder….

and in a 20km/h roll start a stock ba xt 2002 can beat a brand new FG XT 5 or 6 speed model to 100, to 120, to 160 and onwards.

they are simply the same cars, with identical DNA, just different skin and sheet metal for the FG.

the FG would have to make 220-230kW of power and more torque than 391Nm or regular fuel in order to actually PULL AWAY from a stock BA XT, or even AUII AUIII.

we are talking calculations that required 440Nm at least, to 220kW of power to pull away from its brother BA XT, BF XT and all 4.0L N/A models in between.

on the other hand a BA XT 4.0L has more power across the folliwing RPM range, from 600-5000rpm it has more power than FG XT 4.0.

it has more torque from 600 to 2800rpm than FG XT, and more torque between 3500-5000rpm than FG XT.

FG XT only pokes 391Nm at 3250rpm beating XT by 11Nm, but after than BA takes over.

but once BA XT gets over approx 5500rpm, the BG XT takes over and that is where it shines, but in reality only gives you 1-3 or sometimes 5% better performance, so its not worth it, who pushes their car past 6000rpm every day?

so a cheap BA XT 4.0L 2002-2005 is a way to go;)

It handles good – unless u throw it reallllllllllly hard into a corner – but lets be honest how often do you do that in a new car? Holden and Ford may in some respect do it better but with a harsher ride.

Is rear wheel drive better – sure is. Is it worth $5000 – no! Only people that want to do silly things like burnouts and go sideways really demand it.

On another point, the VE Omega is plain bad value. It has a old crap VT 4 speed auto with updated electronics to cover its bad shift quality and age. It has a 175KW engine which was a cheap of Holdne pushing people int the higher priced modes. It guzzles fuel like an Irishman drinking beer and is over 2 seconds slower than falcon or Aurion 0-100. Only a die hard dedicated Holdne nut would buy a base Omega. It may handle better than an Aurion but he Aurion will be 1km away before you ever realise that – in real life. In perspective – you need to by minimum SV6 and thats big biscuits.

I bought an Aurion for safety as neither Ford nor Holden (even with the $5000 premium on price) offer side and curtain airbags as standard – there an additional $ option. Aurion – std.

All cars have their faults, but no-one can honestly say the base falcon or base holden is $5000 (or more) better than the Aurion.

When you consider the amount of money you part with when you buy a Calais or G6 and then compare that to the amount of money you would spend on a base Aurion it doesnt make sence. The base Aurion is so much cheaper yet the interior quality is better. hmmm……… Holden, Ford, Does this make sence to you?

Oh, By the way. Im not saying that Holden is better than Ford or Ford is better than Holden. On that subject I think Ford and Holden are the same.

This is just my opinion.