Not to mention that a few small mods, re-tuning can make a BA/BF make just over 220kW, yet over 450Nm of torque from a stock motor.

Sock BA/BF still make more torque, which is a shame, 380/383Nm vs just 370 and again shame!

This new 3.6L V6 is only really good for anything above around 4500-5000rpm all the way to 6800rpm, anything below 4500 and a garden variety Toyota Camry 3.0L 2002 onwards will mesh it.

Not to mention that the manual BA/BF XR6 non turbo are sweeter to drive than auto versions where you can really feel the torque from a massive 4.0L I6 engine.

And if you were to compare this 3.6 Cadillac with 226kW/370Nm for which you need premium fuels, if you were to put it next to an FG Falcon 4.0L XT model , that car makes 420Nm of torque from just 2500rpm when you run it on RON98 petrol and just over 200kW on RON98.

Still 50Nm over that 3.6L V6, meaning much better driving experience, smoother, quieter and a lot better over all, plus making power at 500rpm less.

Where on a stock XT FG the power of 195kW actually starts at 5500rpm and is constant to about 5300rpm, if on RON98, you get around 202-203kW and it starts even earlier at 5000 and goes all the way to 6500rpm, something that factory never advertised or said anywhere.

Wait till the FG series 2 comes out, we are talking 440Nm and 220kW stock from the factory on REGULAR cheap 91 octane petrol!

that is 220kW with massive 440Nm, or perhaps more than 440Nm.

Try match that TORQUE?

Ford, Ford all the way.

I sprayed my cucumber sandwich all over the keyboard when I read that one.

But that car IS the GM-DAT Cruze, (don’t let anyone kid you, it’s not a NEW car) so “Holden” could just as easily import it from Daewoo in Korea as build it here.

“Asia-Pacific – In light of current market conditions, GM is reconsidering the pace of its expansion in the Asia Pacific region. As such, some of the proposed capacity expansion projects and product programs in the region are no longer financially feasible and will not proceed without financial support from either the respective governments or from other partners. GM is holding discussions with its stakeholders to address the required support.”

So with Holden introducing a new small car, GM-DAT safe with Lacetti Premiere/Cruze, Captiva, Beat/Spark and no doubt a new gen Gentra/Barina, this leaves China and Thailand as the main casualties for expansion.

Holden job losses in the near future will be huge…..

seriously you people have me all wrong, you think just because i don’t think that holden is the anti-christ like a lot of you do that i must automatically be a commodore driving bogan, but I don’t even own one, the last holden i owned was an astra and it’s the worst car i’ve ever owned! I just happen to judge a brand on its merits, rather then on pre-conceived perceptions based mainly on peoples assumptions over the types of people who drive certain cars, eg holdens, must all be bogans, ignoring how many mums and dads and grandpas etc who make up the majority of private non-fleet commodore owners