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Mazda Australia is recalling more than 1500 Mazda 6 models after identifying a potential fault with the vehicles’ electrical system.

Part of a global safety recall of approximately 15,000 Mazda 6 models in direct response to two cars at dealerships catching fire – one locally and one in Europe – the 1531 Australian delivered Mazda 6s are at risk of carrying a potential fault with a component in the DC/DC convertor, located under the front passenger seat.

Mazda says the fault may cause overheating of the unit, with fire being a possible result.

While the DC/DC converter is linked to the vehicles’ electrical system, Mazda Australia’s Steve Maciver told CarAdvice, the defect is not specifically related to the Mazda 6’s capacitor-based i-ELOOP brake energy regeneration system.

Mazda 6 i-ELOOP

Owners of the affected vehicles are being notified, with replacements of the DC/DC convertors to take place as soon as possible and at no cost. Mazda will also provide all affected Mazda 6 owners with alternative transport while the repair is being performed.

Mazda says there have been no reports of any injuries stemming from the fault and no reports of any customer cars catching fire.

Mazda Australia is encouraging owners with further enquiries to contact Mazda Customer Support on 1800 034 411 for assistance.

So far in 2013, the mid-size Mazda 6 has been the second highest selling car in its segment, with 1497 units sold, trailing only the Toyota Camry with 2016 units.




  • Guest

    Sounds like they should also recall their claim of the safest, most advanced Mazda ever?

    • John

      Now wait for the rebuttal from that Zaccy fanboy…

    • $29896495

      Fair call. Looks like the spot where the brake regeneration module sits. By the way, it’s a large car, is it outselling Commodore and Falcon?

      • AOK

        There is no real “Brake Regeneration Module”, ALL the regeneration comes off the special alternator/generator, nothing comes off the wheels…
        When the foot is lifted off the gas pedal the alternator quickly charges the i-eloop capacitor…The faulty DC/DC converter is the issue and is located under the left passenger, or the driver in LHD countries..

        • $29896495

          You aren’t intelligent to make the jump to the component I was referring to under the passenger seat which would remain under the passenger seat in LHD. Cheap shot from a simple mind.

          • AOK

            Grow up you goose….It is a DC/DC CONVERTER which reduced Volts from Generator/Alternator from 25V to 12V and stored in Capacitor….There has been no fires as such, but the DC/DC Converter either gets hot, and or too hot which smokes, there is NO FIRE…MMC were aware of this back in early March, in-fact production from March 9th has updated DC/DC Converters and it is this modified part which will be install during this recall…Perhaps you can offer some more REAL information?

          • $29896495

            Just let it go you immature fool . Grow up and move on. 

          • $29896495

            It really doesn’t mater in the long term if dodgy Mazda electricals turn you in to BBQ. Bit of a BIG issue for a Mazda person trying to sell a mobile fire pit, though.

      • John

        I would leave the country if this outsold the Commodore and Falcon.

        • $29896495

          Well, they wrote that it’s the second highest seller in it’s class? 

          • Sydlocal

            Even though it is almost Commodore size it is still in the medium class. I think it is close with the Falcon but the Commodore is still in front.

        • Al Tungupon

          Bon voyage, John. What country are you moving to?

        • Guest

          Better start packing

    • Zaccy16

      a recall doesn’t change that statement!

  • Henry Toussaint

    When did the one at the dealership Catch fire? any images

  • Amlohac

    Thats pretty good response from Mazda Australia, giving customers cars to drive while theirs is out of action.

    • $29896495

      Well it is life threatening. Better not to brush it under the carpet like Toyota. (hey made a pun) :)

      • RT

        Except that was largely ruled by the NHTSA to be caused by driver error. You wouldn’t be familiar with the phrase ‘Cheap shot from a simple mind’, would you?

        • $29896495

          Actually you are wrong, they don’t have a recall for carpet foiling when it’s driver error. In any case, it wasn’t a case of self destruct or is that self immolation like the Mazda 6.

          • AOK

            You really do not know much, the Toyota safety recall of unintended acceleration WAS DRIVER ERROR, (carpets) there was no technical issue, hysterical media drove this, every car crash with a Toyota in USA was ”Toyota’s fault”….similar to what happened to Audi there 10 years earlier…

          • $29896495

            Simply you are lying. US ordered a recall over carpets fouling the accelerator pedal. It was heavily discussed here and in US publications.  GOVERNMENT ORDERED

    • Zaccy16

      yep mazda have great customer service, few weeks ago i had my mazda 6 wagon 2005 in for its 220,000 service and somehow they dented the front wheel arch, they were very apologetic and polite and gave me a new 3 until they got it fixed

      • AOK

        Yep Mazda Dealers in Australia are very good/excellent compared to many other regions…Mazda Australia are also very pro-active and move pretty quickly, they are MMC’s favorite child, considering all the profits which goes back to Japan, MMC makes more money from AU per unit than anywhere else in the world….they are pocketing the extra margins from a high Aussie Dollar when they actually cost cars @ 70 cents to USD, so the extra 34% is all profit on top of normal distributor margins, and please don’t blame the retail private Mazda dealers, their margins (profit) has not changed much since dollar increased. 

        • matt

          built in japan and sold in AUD…. little do to with the US dollar my friend…

          • $29896495

            The actual whole sale trading of cars is done in US dollars. So factory to sell to the Australian Mazda or whatever distributor, that distributor pays for those cars in US dollars.

  • Galaxy

    Is it just me or has the rate of recalls gone through the roof across all brands over the last 3 years???

    • F1orce

      Toyota sets out the doctrine of precedent 

      Everyone else follows.. 

      • Iuy

         So you think Mazda and others deliberately put faults on their cars so they could have recalls like Toyota?

        • $29896495

          Speaking of Toyota, another recall was just announced in the US for the FJ.

        • Rt

          Guess that joke went right over someone’s head…

      • Gremlin

        Yep Toyota makes faulty cars by the millions & then is forced to recall them by law…lets hope no-one follows.

        • Uyy

          Too late to hope for that. Last I checked, plenty of other manufacturers have had significant recalls in recent times.

    • Labryz

      Not that surprising when you think about it.

      As cars get increasingly complicated with more and more electrical and computer components you run more risk of something going wrong. 
      And the last three years has seen a big boost of computer components going into cars. 

    • Daniel D

      For the reasons why there is the issue of more technology being crammed into cars for safety, fuel economy and entertainment systems. More technology means more complexity and risk of something being wrong.

      The other reason seems to be that manufacturers in Australia are becoming more reluctant to try and just sweep problems under the carpet, as the big three in Australia use to regularly do. Maybe the internet is making it harder to hide a problem with cars.

      That all said, its a real shame we don’t have the equivalent of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that the U.S. has. They have many more recalls then we do, because the NHTSA forces the manufacturers to do so. The manufacturers don’t seem to get away with much in the states that way.

      • $29896495

        That’s quite possibly because they brought in the lemon law as well. So they actually have a Gov body which is proactive, unlike Australia, and the fear that people can hand there cars back in legally.

  • Crazy n00b

    It’s true that the Mazda6 is not as boring as the Camry.

  • Guest

    Nah mate, that is the seat heater function. Just add water for cooling.

    • Daniel D

      Better than what Fords response would be if they made the Mazda 6. Pull up at the service center with your passenger seat smouldering away. A prior recall of course, being out of the question.

      Nah mate they all do that.

      • $29896495

        That’s the response of most of the big players to be fair, VW GM Toyota etc. I’m starting to think it’s a sign of two things, company policy and in many cases poorly trained mechanics.

  • LowRezFez

    Just goes to show that Mazdas are rubbish. Not only that Mazda is on such dire financial circumstances they may yet go broke just like SAAB.

    • Glenn59

      Why would you say that?   Look at survey slike JD Power and you will see that a very significant proportion of EVERY BRAND has defects.  This is especially true of new models.  Mazda rate well in such surveys but the issue is not so much if defects arise but how well the manufacturer handles the siutation.  So far Mazda has done everything right.  

    • F1orce

      Actually the most recent financial figures show that Mazda is doing well financially. 

      In fact one of their biggest weakness is lack of capacity, they don’t have anywhere near the production capacity of GM or Ford etc 

      • Sumpguard

        Nor the money to expand.

        • Fred

          Mazda are about to open an all new plant in Mexico for the North American market making the new Mazda 3 and 2.

          • falcodore

            And they are also building a car for the big T making it Toyota’s best quality, most reliable, fun to drive car in 30 years.

        • Mondeo Man

          Care to provide some references for that statement?

          • matt

            nah just likes to run his mouth “im right everyone else is wrong” clive palmer/tony abbott style.

             if you think about it, having to pay for your own unique platforms, transmissions, engines and global factory’s now they are all alone without ford …. they must have a pretty big revenue stream otherwise they would alot more broke then they are.

    • Sydlocal

      That financial trouble was true until the CX5. Now Mazda just can’t keep with demand and are sell it well above forecasts world wide. Also going by your definition ALL brands are rubbish as they all have recalls now and then. If you look at recalls by brand Mazda have far less than the local 3 etc… Plus just because a brand has a recall, it doesn’t always mean it is bad. At least they are doing something about it.

    • LowRezFez

      Wow you guys are really easy to rev up. I suggest you get a life.

      • Igomi Watabi

        likewise

        • LowRezFez

          Yeah, I think I’ll extend my interests to narrow gauge railways.

          • Mondeo Man

            Troll. I think toy trains would be to advanced for you anyway.

          • LowRezFez

            Clearly no sense of humor… Lighten up, it’s ok you can laugh occasionally.

    • Zaccy16

      no if you actually look into the subject mazda is doing very well financially with the introduction of the new cx5 and 6, and they are the complete opposite of rubbish, they are well built, great to drive, great value quality cars, my mazda has done 226,000 ks in 8 years with not one problem, the interior is still in perfect condition with no squeaks or rattles and the transmission and engine still drive like they are new

      • LowRezFez

        Zaccy, I actually agree with you… I was just having a bit of fun.

        • amlohac

          Hook line and trolololol

      • tony

        The CX-5 Diesel shouldn’t be allowed to be sold.  Imagine a car that won’t drive less than 5 km without needing major engine work….

        • Sydlocal

          You better get your facts straight tony and stop the ‘scaremongering’ (are you sure you don’t work for Today Tonight?). There was nothing wrong with the diesel engine itself in the CX5 and the engine does/did not require major engine work. All it needed was more regular oil changes. It was the stupid DPF and the programming of the ECU for the active burn cycle where it injected too much fuel through the system. This caused excessive oil dilution in some (not all) cars. Strangely it effected some but not others, thankfully affected cars were in the minority. For every story of someone with excessive oil dilution no matter what kind of driving they did, there were many more who didn’t have any issues at all, even with short drives to the shops etc. The latest ECU re-flash seems to have fixed the problem. There was also a faulty batch of exhaust sensors on some date ranges that required replacement.

          However I still can’t work out why they changed the dipstick “X” mark. That one is a bit suspicious/strange.

          This issue is the same for all DPF equipped diesels. They are not ideal for constant short duration trips. They are more for long distance, country driving. Mazda aren’t alone with this problem. Honda and BMW are and example of some that have had similar issues. Honda had a recall over in the UK on the Euro diesel for the same issue as the CX5 with excess oil dilution. However unlike the CX5 the Euro had a few confirmed cases of engine run-away. BMW have had the same.

    • Igomi Watabi

      Seriously, do you just sit at home all day making stuff up?

      • LowRezFez

        No, it happens quite spontaneously.

        • $29896495

          What a Mazda 6 combusting?

          • Sebastian Style Messiah

            A hunk a hunk of burning Kodo!

  • Sydlocal

    One good reason why you should never get the first of an “all new” model!

  • MisterZed

    Hahaha, Camry and Mazda6 get so many recalls, but Hyundai i45 / Sonata and Kia Optima get none.

    • Kaboom

      Ha,ha Korean cars depreciate like a concrete block in the ocean.I45 the biggest pos on the road in oz.Truck steering and suspension tune.

      • MisterZed

        So what kind of car do you have Kaboom?

        • Kaboom

          Mk6 Golf,manual.

          • Amlohac

            hence the name “kaboom”? Is that the sound your golf makes?

            And before you get on your high horse and be all crazy VW fanboy… I own a golf as well… with the dsg boombox… thats never had an issue!

            You may now laugh.

          • $29896495

            We just feel sorry for you.

          • Kaboom

            Good one you got me there.

      • Gasman

        Thats largely a myth now. ALL CARS depreciate by at least 40 to 50% in the first 3 years. In fact, German cars are one of the worst for depreciation.

        • $29896495

          True, Germans because they are so over priced to start with.

        • Gremlin

          So easy to pluck numbers out of thin air heh Gasman…

        • Kaboom

          German luxury cars where the luxury car tax.Of coarce they decrease in value.KOREAN cars are flogged off as fleet sales,some times heavily discounted.LIke the i45 runout.

        • Cars

          Actually, in 2011, according to redbook after 3 years the residual value of Volkswagen Tiguan – 84%Those tricky Germans eh?Try doing a search on “beating depreciation”. You might be surprised what other vehicles you see there, including other Euros.

        • Err

          Looking through Redbook, I can only see Crummer/Falcoone, Kias, Ssanyong, SAAB & Proton below %50.

          Popular German cars: Golf 77TSI %65, Focus %59,  320i %58.
          Which 3 year old German cars can I buy for %40 of new price?

    • Iuy

      Wrong as usual MisterZed:

      NHTSA Campaign Number: 12V352000

      Component(s): AIR BAGS
      Manufacturer: HYUNDAI-KIA AMERICA TECHNICAL CENTER INC
      NHTSA Campaign Number: 12V352000 Problem Summary:
      HYUNDAI IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2012-2013 HYUNDAI SONATA
      PASSENGER CARS, MANUFACTURED FROM JANUARY 24, 2012, THROUGH JUNE 21,
      2012. THE CURTAIN SIDE AIRBAGS ON THESE VEHICLES MAY INFLATE WITHOUT
      DEPLOYMENT COMMAND DUE TO AN ERROR DURING MANUFACTURING……………….Manufacturer: HYUNDAI-KIA AMERICA TECHNICAL CENTER INC
      NHTSA Campaign Number: 12V098000

      Component(s): SEAT BELTS

      SUMMARY:
      CERTAIN MODEL YEAR HYUNDAI SONATA HYBRID VEHICLES PRODUCED BEGINNING ON
      DECEMBER 2, 2010, AND SHIPPED TO DEALERS THROUGH MARCH 7, 2012, THAT ARE
      EQUIPPED WITH A CENTER REAR SEAT BELT INCORPORATING A RELEASE MECHANISM
      THAT DETACHES BOTH THE LAP AND SHOULDER PORTION AT THE LOWER ANCHORAGE
      POINT, FAIL TO CONFORM TO FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD NO. 208,
      “OCCUPANT CRASH PROTECTION.”

      …………….NHTSA Campaign Number: 10V457000
      Component(s): STEERING Manufacturer: HYUNDAI

      SUMMARY:
      HYUNDAI IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2011 SONATA VEHICLES
      MANUFACTURED FROM DECEMBER 11, 2009, THROUGH SEPTEMBER 10, 2010. ON
      SOME OF THESE VEHICLES THE STEERING COLUMN INTERMEDIATE SHAFT UNIVERSAL
      JOINT CONNECTIONS MAY HAVE BEEN EITHER IMPROPERLY ASSEMBLED OR
      INSUFFICIENTLY TIGHTENED.

       

      • MisterZed

        Not here in Australia mate. You know how many recalls the i45/Sonata has had here in Australia since it came out? ZERO.

        • F1orce

          Hyundai Australia avoids recalls. Too much cost associated with a recall..

          • MisterZed

            The cost is greater if you avoid recalls, because it can lead to lawsuits.

          • Iuy

            Or you just withdraw the car from market…

          • Igomi Watabi

            they don’t avoid fixing the problem, they just keep it on the down-low, as most car companies do, avoiding a public announcement and quietly fixing things. So, they have just as many recalls as other manufacturers, but less adverse publicity.

          • F1orce

            Yeah in USA that’s the case, hence why they always recall and reduce their false MPG

            But in Australia no one will start a lawsuit

          • Daniel D

            Ford Australia would disagree with you on that.

        • Sydlocal

          Totally correct. But I would hardly call 3 recalls since the Mazda6 first arrived in 2002 out of hand and an indication that it is a sub-par car… 

          Having driven both cars I can say the i45 is a comfortable, roomy, quiet cruiser on a highway and better than a Camry IMHO. However it seriously lacks the body control, handling and steering feel of the Mazda6, regardless of which series (GG, GH and even GJ). If you just want to get from A to B in comfort and don’t care about driving go an i45, if you enjoy driving and want to go from A to C with a detour through the twisty roads via B, it is the Mazda6 all the way. 

          Funnily enough real world performance is line ball even though the i45 has a lot more power. Lighter weight and more torque down low does that!

          • Iuy

             Ummm, those recalls only go back to 2010. It’s one per year. They do not go back to 2002. I only included ones for the ‘current’ model. There are plenty more recalls going back to 2002. For what reason do you think there were no recalls between 2002 and 2010?

          • Sydlocal

            Ummmmm, I am only going off the official Australian recalls website for Australian models. Looking at it again I missed one and didn’t include this one as it hasn’t made the site yet. Sorry about that. However I would like to know WHERE I said there were no recalls between 2002 and 2010? I can’t seem to find it. It wasn’t even implied.
            Yes, the recalls list does indeed go back to 2002. In fact the official website goes back to 1987 for Mazda. I only mentioned 2002 because that was the year when the Mazda6 was first released. Also there has only been one recall for the last gen (GH) model.
            Plus I wasn’t replying to you, I was replying to Mr Zed. ;-)FYI, official recalls for the Mazda6 were 2003 (GG brake reservoir level sensor float), 2004×2 (GG adding heat shielding to fuel tank and front indicator not always working), 2011 (GH piston circlip) and of course this new one which is not on the site yet. By my twisted logic/poor maths that only makes it 2 since 2010. I also wouldn’t think 3 recalls between 2002 and 2010 is plenty, unless your definition of plenty is different to mine!

          • F1orce

            The i45 does many things, but ‘quiet’ is not one of its strong points lol

            The engine is very loud, road and tyre noise are also very prominent.

          • Gasman

            Just like many Mazdas

          • Sydlocal

            Don’t you mean just like all Mazdas Gasman!!!!

        • amlohac

          Hyundai have a knack for ignoring recals, like the sunroof issue in the Velocter.

        • Resident

          Unfortunately they can’t recall for depreciation. Just you wait…

        • Resident

          They haven’t recalled the car for depreciation yet? Just wait for it…

          • MisterZed

            Oh yes, 65% retained value after 3 years is just awful isn’t it?

          • Uyy

            Red book retained value after 3 years is %57 for i45.

          • MisterZed

            Wrong. 2010 i45 Premium = $23,900 private sale price, $37,990 new price. Retained value = 63%. Now let’s look at a 2010 Ford Falcon G6. 44% retained value. Ouch. 2010 Toyota Aurion AT-X – 51% (Presara 53%). 2010 Camry Grande – 55%. 2010 Honda Accord V6 Luxury – 58%. According to these figures, the i45 has one of the *best* resale values in it’s class.

          • Resident

            MisterZed, you must have been RIPPED off.

            The i45 Premium can be had as a DEMONSTRATOR for $29,500 drive-away. NEW ones are $32,500 drive-away before negotiating. Yet, you think they are $37,490 plus on roads.

            What resale? Hyundai killed any chance you had by discontinuing the model. And then discounting them.

          • MisterZed

            Resident, that’s a 2012 model demonstrator. We are now in 2013. In other words, it is already 1 year old so the depreciation is factored into that price.

          • Resident

            You don’t think that buying a 2012 model for $29,500 will have an effect on used car prices?

            The 2010 model premium models can already be had for $22,000 without negotiating.

          • MisterZed

            No I don’t think it will, because that’s a pretty normal drop in resale after the first year. Besides, there are only a handful of i45s available at that price, hardly representative of typical resale. Try looking at an average rather than the lowest possible price you can find.

          • Err

             Here are the actual Redbook figures, copied and pasted for the 2010 i45 Premium:

            Private Price Guide $21,400 – $23,900
            Trade In Price Guide$17,100 – $19,600

            As can be calculated, MisterZed conveniently used the highest $23,900 figure for his %65 figure whilst ignoring several other lower figures. The %57 I provided was Redbook’s own THREE YEAR “predicted” average.

            MisterZed’s use of 2010 year model valuation’s is also inflated by the fact that the i45 did not go on sale in Australia untill May 2010. So in actual fact, the $23,900 price he’s used is for cars that aren’t quite 3 years old yet – and on average would have about 6-7 months more depreciation left.

          • MisterZed

            The maximum resale value is for a car in good condition with low kms. Of course it will be less if your car is in average condition with higher than usual kms. This applies to any car. The figures I was quoting for the Falcon, Aurion, Camry, and Accord were also the highest figures. Want more figures? 2010 Ford Mondeo hatch – 53%. 2010 Maxima – 60%. If you’re wondering about Liberty and Mazda6, they are worth more, but only 66-67%, which is 3-4% more than an i45.

          • Err

             But i45 didn’t entered the market untill May 2010 whilst those other cars were on sale the entire year.

            Your “retained value after 3 years” for the i45 is for cars that are not yet 3 years old.

          • MisterZed

            Resale value is based on the YEAR that a car is built, not the month. In theory, at least, a car built in January 2010 is worth exactly the same as one built in December 2010. Whether it’s only 2 1/2 or 3 years old is irrelevant – according to built *year*, 2010, it is 3 years old. Besides, your argument is silly because if we take an average of months we get June being the average and median. So the 2010 value listed for all of those models is likely based around the mid-point of the year.

          • MisterZed

            Ok I’m going to correct myself here. For cars that are outside of their warranty period, the month makes almost no difference. However, for 2010 models of which some are still under warranty, the month does still determine resale to a certain extent (but not nearly as much as year). So, let’s assume Redbook use the median point of the year which is early July. Now as the i45 went on sale on May 24th, the median for a 2010 i45 would be later in the year, somewhere around September. We’re talking about a difference of only 2-3 months here. Assuming a loss of 1% per month, that’s about 2-3%. So, I’ll agree that the i45 instead of 63% should probably be at 60-61%, but this still places it above all of the other models I’ve mentioned, and about on par with Maxima.

        • Iuy

           No, ihere n Australia Hyundai just recalled the entire car.

          • MisterZed

            Oh wow, you’re hilarious aren’t you? You do realize that Australia is the only country in the world that took it off the market? It’s still sold in something like 100 other countries. I guess our little country of 22 million is smarter than several billion other people around the world, right?

          • Rt

             But why are you suddenly concerned about what’s happening with the i45 in other countries?
            You got so defensive when I mentioned i45 recalls from other countries.
            You want to use Australia to try and highlight a lack of recalls whilst ignoring other country recalls, yet when it comes to the matter of pulling the i45 off the market, you want to focus on whats happening in other countries after all?
            Cant have it both ways, either stick with whats happening in Australia and ignore the rest of the world, or look at it Internationally. Don’t move from one scenario to the other to suit your agenda.

            Internationally: i45 has had many recalls and is still for sale
            Australia: i45 has had no recalls and was pulled from the market.
            Accept one or the other.

            Why do you get so excited by i45 anyway? Are you a car enthusiast? What car enthusiast gets excited by a medium sized, moderate performance, FWD, Korean, 4 cylinder, Automatic let alone all those traits combined together?

          • MisterZed

            I have an i45 which is why I’m defending it. Secondly, I would agree with you that mentioning other countries is somewhat hypocritical however the recall was *only* in the US, where the Sonata for that market is built. In 99% of countries around the world, the Sonata comes from Korea, where there have been no recalls that I am aware of (and being an owner here in Australia, I am 100% positive there have been no recalls here).

          • $29896495

            I can’t believe I have to write this but the i45 wasn’t removed from sale for being bad, but because if it’s size. Big cars aren’t selling in this country and trying to break a big car into this market is almost impossible, but Hyundai tried and pulled the plug when they saw what was happening. Beats having a whole lot of cars sitting around taking up space and dribbling out of the show rooms.

          • MisterZed

            No one knows the real reason the i45 was removed. I don’t think it was due to it’s size. The i45 is about the same size as the Camry, and that sells very well. The i45 sold around 4,000 units a year on average, which is not bad. There are plenty of cars on the market here which sell in far fewer numbers and are still around – Kizashi only sells 1,000 a year, for example.

          • $29896495

            I think size was probably a strong factor, they replaced it with a slightly smaller model. The thing about the Koreans, is they have such a large range of cars to fall back on, if they don’t feel something is meeting their targets they can swap it out.

            As for Suzuki, well they have just closed their Canadian arm, following the closure of the US. Hard to know what to think about what’s happening with them.

          • MisterZed

            Kizashi is certainly history after this model – last year it sold fewer than 10,000 worldwide. In fact, Australia made up 11% of worldwide Kizashi sales!

          • $29896495

            The concept was good, but the execution was a little lacking. It looked dumpy.

      • $29896495

        I do believe they are  US recalls aren’t they? Sonata hybrid isn’t available here so you haven’t disproved what mr Zed said. I’m not a Hyundai fan by the way.

        • MisterZed

          Besides, the US model Sonata is built in the US, so any recalls there do not affect the Korean built model that we get here.

        • Fantattoo

          Just ignore Iuy (and his countless other aliases). He’s known to twist facts to avoid losing an argument (even though he loses them all the time). 

          • Uyy

            What facts are being twisted? MisterZed’s original statement said and I quote: “i45/Sonata”.
            Do we call the i45 the Sonata here? No, its badged i45 only. If he only wants to accept Australian recalls only, why would you mention the American name? Mention the American name and you can expect to have America included in the conversation.
            It’s MisterZed who’s trying to change the goal posts. He was proven wrong about the recalls and is now hiding behind the excuses of ‘Australia only’ or their model being made in a different factory to ours.

          • Fantattoo

            Again, at it twisting those facts. Just because he mentioned i45, while at the same time mentioning “in Australia”, you choose to see and believe the part convenient for whatever argument you’re trying to make? Sad really.

          • Err

             This is MisterZed’s original statement in it’s entirety:

            “Hahaha, Camry and Mazda6 get so many recalls, but Hyundai i45 / Sonata and Kia Optima get none.”

            Feel free to scroll up and see it yourself.

            So where did he mention ” in Australia”?
            As I mentioned for the second time, he also used the designation “SONATA” which is exactly what the recalls I provided were for.

    • Resident

      And yet who is selling the most? Oh, Camry and Mazda6. Optima isn’t concerning the competition too much and the i45 is gone. Thank you for your biased comments.

    • Resident

      And yet the Camry and Mazda6 are the segment leaders. The i45 is now gone, and the Optima is almost forgotten…

      Win to the Japanese then.

      • MisterZed

        Why does it seem to take you 2 nearly identical messages to get the point across? What do you mean the Optima is almost forgotten? The Optima is a great car, far better than Camry or Mazda6. Only 1 of those cars offers direct injection, neither offers as much torque, and neither offers a panoramic moonroof or a 5-year warranty.

        • Resident

          If it is far better than a Camry or Mazda6… why isn’t it performing that well on the sales charts? And on what merits does it make a for a ‘great car’ in your opinion? No other review has given it a higher praise than a Mazda6. So, go on… tell us all.

           

          • MisterZed

            For the plain and simple fact that most people aren’t even aware that the Optima exists.

          • Resident

            Oh right – so all the journalists must be wrong too. Name a review where the Optima has come out ahead of the competition.

            Didn’t think so.

          • Uyy

            CA gave Optima 3.5 stars whilst Mazda6 and Passat got r 4 star review.

            MisterZed was fairly quiet in those reviews.

          • $29896495

            I don’t think stars matter one iota, if you like a car you have to test drive it yourself and make your own mind up. Following what some stranger tells you with stars is insane.

          • Resident

            Looks like MisterZed has gone quiet again. No reviews where the i45 or Optima win? Thought that may have been the case.

            I’ve driven both and likewise the new Mazda6 – miles apart.

        • AOK

          WRONG the current Mazda 6 is a Direct Injection Engine.
          Mazda dos not need a 5 year warranty to sell it’s product, plus it is just not needed…The Mazda 6 Turbo Diesel has more torque than both.
          Just try and get something repair (warranty) on a Hyundai or KIA when the car is 4 years old and done 95,000 KMS….Good luck …

          • MisterZed

            Did I say the Mazda6 doesn’t have direct injection? I said of Camry and Mazda6, only 1 has direct injection.

          • Sydlocal

            You also got the torque slightly wrong MisterZed. The Mazda6 petrol has the SAME torque (250nm) as the Optima. However the Mazda’s torque is more accessible in everyday driving because it is around 1000rpm lower down the rev range than the Optima.  

        • Daniel D

          Dam I knew when I bought the Mazda 6 last year, I had forgotten something. 

          The moon roof! How could I be so silly as to forget the moon roof!

          • Rt

            Were you also silly enough to buy the Mazda6 without checking to see which side the fuel port was on?
            Or whether the windscreen washer nozzles are concealed?

          • Daniel D

            The washer nozzles! Why didn’t I consider the washer nozzles!

            My Mazda 6 is a mess. I can’t look up from inside it and see the moon, but I can look forward and well, see washer nozzles.

            You would think after the first Mazda 6 I’ve owned for eight years straight with no problems and a perfectly serviceable fuel filler neck, I would have learn’t to prioritise what was important in a car purchase.

    • AOK

      More wrong information, Mazda’s recall numbers are actually 1.6 recalls per Generational Model, the lowest in the car industry….Rolls Royce (1.8)  has more than Mazda…try again.

    • Daniel D

      Is that because the cars never go wrong, or because those things that do, are never given a recall? 

  • Kaboom

    Kaboom.

    • Amlohac

      SHAZAM! POW! THWOP!

      we were having a batman sound effect comp werent we?

  • Al Tungupon

    How about throwing a turbo after the issue is fixed? Seriously, the 6 needs a performance version. Its looks are too good for it not to be fast.

    • Sydlocal

      It does have a performance version, it is the diesel! Remember performance is not all about 0-100 and in the mid range through the gears (ie everyday driving like overtaking etc) the diesel doesn’t want for much for the average punter. 420Nm in a 1550kg car does that! However having said that it would be nice for them to release an MPS version down the track!

      • Amlohac

        In a hatch, if youre reading this Mazda. Please and thank you

      • JamesB

        Are you out of your mind, Sydlocal? Nobody buys diesel because of its performance. They’re only there for economy and torque, and with the outrageous premium over petrol models, there won’t be too many of them on the road soon.

        • Daniel D

          Quite a few people have purchased the Mazda 6 diesels in the past for their performance. That torque you are mentioning, being the reason why in gear acceleration is so good.

          I don’t think you have to be out of your mind, as you put it, to appreciate that benefit of the diesel models.

        • Sydlocal

          You better hurry up and tell Audi/Peugeot etc they have it all wrong with their LeMans cars JamesB…

          Your statement above is actually contradictory. You say no one buys a diesel for performance, but then say they buy it for torque? Forgive me if I am wrong but doesn’t the saying go ‘power for top speed, torque for acceleration’? So wouldn’t that mean the higher torque means you get better acceleration performance? I guess performance is all about top speed and not about in gear acceleration etc then…

          The new Mazda6 is a good example of this. 0-100 is fairly similar because as usual diesels are always slow off the mark. However in the real world where you aren’t always starting from a standing start ie overtaking, accelerating out of corners on a nice Sunday drive in the mountains/on the coast, the diesel Mazda6 absolutely slaughters the petrol (and many other cars from its class for that matter) in performance. That extra performance from the higher torque is also much more accessible because you don’t have to rev the pants off the engine to tap into it. So because it is quicker than the petrol version in just about every criteria then wouldn’t you think it is the performance version of the Mazda6 at this stage? Even the last model Mazda6 diesel could conduct the 80-120 sprint quicker than a V6 Commodore, even though 0-100 was a lot slower. 

          • $29896495

            Diesels have come a long way, as have turbos, but they both suffer the same issues. Cost of service. Should anything go wrong in either case, it isn’t an easy or cheap fix compared to a 4 cycle engine.

          • Sydlocal

            I agree. Especially those stupid DPFs!

          • F1orce

            Brutal acceleration is all about power to weight ratio

            Not torque

            Otherwise we would all be driving diesel F1 cars

          • Sydlocal

            There are many other factors at play there like weight/gearing etc.

  • Mazdaman

    another reason I keep buying Mazdas. On the very rare occasion there is an issue, they find it first and fix before it becomes a problem.
    I have had zero complaints about any of my 5 Mazdas.

    • Zaccy16

      I totally agree mazdaman, I am on my 4th Mazda and I have had a 1987 Mazda 626 super deluxe, 2003 Mazda 2 neo that I had for 8 years, 2004 Mazda 3 maxx sport and I currently own a 2005 Mazda 6 classic wagon, they have all been faultless quality cars

      • AOK

        It is great, most car owners don’t get it, Mazda ARE that good.

        Sure you can get the odd issue, I have never seen a Mazda lemon, never.
        All of Australia’s product is Mazda Japan made/assembled (except BT-50), so their QC is excellent…So many other Japanese have models made in Thailand, India, Russia, UK…I think virtually all Honda’s for Oz are Thailand made.

        • Zaccy16

          i completely agree, mazdas are great cars and they deserve the sales success that they have

    • AOK

      Agree M8, I have personally owned about 9 brand new Mazda’s, my family in total around 30 and none of them have had any issues…OH!, sorry just 1, except a PS Pump in a 1989 GD 626 which Mazda replaced under new car warranty even though the car was 5 years old and out of warranty…All my father had to pay for was Power Steering Fluid…
      Plus I have had about 120 new car demos’ (Mazda), never had any let me down over the past 37 years….If you look after your Mazda they WILL look after you, that is why they are #3, Mazda Australia are quiet achievers, they have the most loyal owner fan base and trade in rate in the car world (repeat business), Subaru are next, Honda and then Toyota and Nissan.

      • $29896495

        Knew it – sell Mazdas much – Earlier Mazdas though well build had a life expectancy of 200K. It may well be different now but up to about mid 90s mechanical and electrical failures, shocks, engine, power windows, cruise controls and the list goes on all had a use by date.

        • Amlohac

          Like a fair few other “older” cars did though.

          • $29896495

            Toyotas and Hondas didn’t suffer the many failings as Mazda though. Just as two alternate example.

        • falcodore

          Our 1981 model 323 never broke down and in the 11 years we owned it, it had 5 learner drivers abusing it and the only thing that failed on it was a radiator cap.

          • $29896495

            That’s not what you wrote up above. An 81 323 if that’s what you actually have, is bare bones car. If I’m not mistaken it’s the one Ford co-designed with Mazda. I’m talking about Mazdas that actually have more than two wires in them. Adjustable suspension, power windows, that sort of thing. 81 323s had none of that.

          • falcodore

            What did i write above? OK then, my sisters ’85 model 626 with the adjustable suspension settings, which was well abused, (not regularly serviced, driven through the Pilliga Scrub on occassion) never a problem with it. Was still going strong when traded on a ’92 V6 626 and wasn’t that an awesome car!
            And you are mistaken, the ’81 323 was designed by Mazda and cloned by Ford after they bought a sizable chunk of the company.

          • $29896495

            I’ve owned several Mazdas, two with the adjustable suspension both had major problems with it and research expose the same problems on just about all Mazdas with that system. 929 626. This is common knowledge. Either your sister was lucky or just didn’t realize what was going wrong. (There is no denying the quality if trim in them though especially on the later models.)

          • Zaccy16

            Actually huwtm I had a 1987 Mazda 626 super duluxe and had It for 10 years without one problem and is still in my family, it is 26 years old now and it has never had on problem! ( I was young at the time and I did think I was a raciing driver!)

          • $29896495

            I’m not sure if they were as complicated as the coupes. But I meta lot of auto electricians when I had those cars – not by design.

        • AOK

          If you are refering to me, I do not SELL Mazda’s…never have….and you do not believe nothing else wears out in any other brand??,,,lame.

          • $29896495

            If you are to be believed nothing goes wrong with Mazdas which is a total fallacy. Explain your statement above then.

            Speaking of recalls the Mazda ones seem to be particularly bad though few, Fuel tank shielding, – another combustion issue – Piston circlip. These aren’t minor issues.  

        • Dfdere

          what a load of rubbish

        • Err

           Mazda, failures, engines?

          But they’re Japanese engines. The people you refused to believe made any unreliable engines and you spend ages arguing about it in one of the Holden Crude articles. So just a few weeks later, your accusing them of making some unreliable engines?

          • $29896495

            Hey, live and learn – though are you referring to the fact that MAZDA 6 can BLOW UP,  because of an electrical fault? Actually probably shouldn’t have included engine, other than the circlip I know of no other issues.

  • Tone

    It’s just as well this happened to Mazda.  How many VWs would have to completely burn to the ground before VAG went – kicking and screaming, mind you – down the recall path?

  • Pe88lz

    Seems to be the week for recalls…

    • falcodore

      Toyota are due next week, they seem to have one every month…

  • Luke Brinsmead

    i-EFLOP..kidding.

  • Antmindel

    Honda dealers must be e attic that sales of the new 6 have been suspends ,as many customers may now rather go for the proven and highly regarded Accord Euro instead …

    • $29896495

      Well aside from how dull Hondas have become, they will get a better product.

      • Fredjkl

        you clearly prefer more boring cars than Mazdas.
        Good luck to you.
        The Euro’s numbers are only holding there own while the dealers are flogging them out at under $30k. They’re a good alternative to a corolla or a cruse but like all hondas target the oldies.
        The rest of us who want some fun in our driving will stick to better designed Mazdas.

        • $29896495

          As I wrote (It’s not like you misheard me) “Well aside from (how dull)  Hondas have become, (they will get a better product). I’ve owned enough of each brand of car to know that they are better built. Now days there is nothing worth owning though, so that is an issue. Engines are base line, interiors are OK, but only catching up. They are essentially stripper cars in this country unlike the rest of the world.Mazda 6 looks sexy, but could use some more grunt for it’s size. As for what I want, this is a car forum so we can talk about what we want, we don’t have to want to buy it. So far there is really nothing that grabs me on our market – Closest being the Astra GTC OPC, but would prefer to stick with a quad cam V6 to go with my two door doors and hatchback. How about you?

  • guest.a

    Actual new mazda 6 owner here, our car has just driven off for recall and replacement parts are ordered, it coincided with our first scheduled  checkup, so having a loan car is great (2000km old mazda 3). Reassuring to know they are on top of the issue ASAP and resolving it. Our first Mazda – first and last issue – we would hope. PS. The car is fantastic!

    • falcodore

      I own a 15yr old 323 and it’s been a fantastic car. Original battery lasted 7.5yrs, still on the second one, at about 11yrs replaced a taillight globe, headlight globe about 12 months later and just over a year ago replaced a distributor o-ring. That is every problem i have had with the car, as you can see hardly major. I get it serviced at a local mechanic, last service was a major 150k service. Cost just over $170, so they are not expensive to service either, you just have to look around.

    • AOK

      Yep, you are not telling me anything..Mazda will look after you, that is why they have slowly
      crept up the sales chart, as owners keep coming back and buying another, and another, and another..my current drives which I own are current 2012 MX-5 and a 2010 RX-8….best rotary ever and the best FUN Ever…

  • Tony Abbotts No1 fan

    Finally…Jeep can hand over the “cars catching fire” mantle to Mazda…a worthy successor. 

  • klowik

    my advice is never buy the first batch of any new models. Same as VW golf and others, they had many problems.

  • Repus008

    This cars HOT

  • Ted

    I own a 20 year old Ge 1993 626 and its the best car I have ever had.  Have been looking for an replacement, buts its hard as my 626 with 271k on the clock is great.  Mazda is the way to go, however in saying that, their cars are not made like they were …