Car Advice

2009 Honda City Review

By Alborz Fallah |

Hatches may rule in the light car market in Australia but now Honda has taken a leaf out of Toyota’s marketing book by launching a sedan version of its popular Jazz, called the City.

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As well as tackling the Toyota Yaris head on the Honda City is also taking a tilt at sales currently going to the Holden Barina, the Hyundai Accent and the Nissan Tiida.

The City’s other major task, according to Honda Australia Senior Director Lindsay Smalley, is to take the brand down the age demographic, with the car being pitched very squarely at buyers in the 20 to 40 year-old age bracket.

Not shunning its traditional older buyers, Mr Smalley says the Honda City will also appeal to “empty-nesters” those married couple who have seen their children grow up and move out of home.

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Under the attractive but angular bodywork, which we found a bit like a baby Accord Euro, the City is all Jazz, being built on the same platform, and utilising the same drive train and suspension.

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The engine is Honda’s 88kW/146Nm, 1.5-litre, four-cylinder, I-VTEC unit that is already found in the latest Jazz and while it mimics the Jazz in many ways the City eschews the base model 1.3-litre engine, having instead just two models, the VTi and the VTi-L.

It comes with the same five-speed manual and five-speed automatic transmissions as found in the Jazz VTi and VTi-S.

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There’s one major difference from the Jazz and that’s out back, the boot which at 506 litres is 10 litres bigger in capacity that that of a Holden Commodore, although given the origins of the City it doesn’t quite have the gapping mouth of a Holden boot!

It’s coupled with a 60/40 split fold rear seat and has a capacity that’s even larger than the Honda Accord – 450 litres – and the Accord Euro -467 litres.

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The Honda City has been around in 39 markets worldwide since 1996 and more than one million have hit the roads.

This is the first time that Honda Australia has brought the car to our shores and while it is based on the Jazz hatch the designers have tried to make the City more grown-up looking both inside and out with a sporty and individual look.

At the front there’s a striking looking grille, slim-line headlights and a side profile treatment Honda calls `arrowshot form’ while at the rear there are some obvious styling cues from the larger Honda sedan family.

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Prices start at $20,490 for the VTi manual and $22,790 for the auto, with the L version adds $2500 and metallic paint is an extra $325.

The VTi gets power windows and mirrors, central locking and an iPod/MP3 compatible single in-dash CD stereo.

Safety equipment includes ABS brakes, brake assist, dual front, side and curtain airbags and front seatbelt pre-tensioners.

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As with the Jazz one of the most glaring omissions to us is the lack of Electronic Stability Program (ESP) in what is a car that’s been aimed squarely at young drivers.

This life-saving safety equipment won’t be available in either the Jazz or the City until 2011 because of Honda Australia’s decision to use an automatic transmission rather than the Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT) that is used in other markets and for which ESP has already been engineered.

Talking to some senior Honda executives at the launch it seems there is also a priority schism between Australia and Asia on ESP, with some executives professing; “ It you were sitting in a Bangkok traffic jam for an hour, which would you rather have, really good air-conditioning or ESP?”

Well, we believe we know what most Australians would prefer!

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The VTi-L adds reach-and-rake adjustment on the steering, 16-inch alloys, chrome door handles, fog lights, upgraded trim and a leather steering wheel.

Fuel economy is pretty frugal, with a combined ADR figure of 6.3 litres per 100km for the manual and 6.6L/100km for the automatic, while C02 emissions are 148g/km for the manual and 156g/km for the auto.

As a sedan, the City has room for five, although the rear seat passengers would find three across a little “squeezy”, and it mimics the Jazz in everything except length while being slightly lower in overall height.

Not being short I was pleased to find there was ample room behind the steering wheel and with the driver’s seat in my preferred position I still had good legroom in the rear, although the head height was a little challenging for my 190cm tall frame.

Our driving experience of the City was confined pretty much to just that, the city, as Honda had devised a drive route that took us through a good deal of suburban Sydney and on to the up market beachside area of Palm Beach.

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The drive was probably very reminiscent of just what most City owners would do with their car on an everyday basis. The only thing is it didn’t allow us to really challenge the driving dynamics of the car and that will have to wait until we do an extended test of the City in a couple of weeks time.

What we did find was that in the automatic VTi-L we drove during the day the car was a little challenged on significant hills, no doubt in some what due to the fact that it weighs 60kg more than the similarly powered Jazz.

Progress most of the time could best be described as adequate rather than lively, the City certainly isn’t a fireball, but then the owner profile is such that the power of the stereo is probably more important than the power of the engine.

The City certainly feels soft when driven into corners and the suspension has more give and there seems to be more body roll, but then it is designed to offer affordable, practical transport.

The softer suspension tune will at least allow the City to smooth out the bumpy roads that it’s certain to meet in Australia.

The steering is light and precise enough, without much feel, but is excellent in tight spaces just like that of the Jazz.

Except for when you are revving it hard to get up a major hill, the City is quiet and there didn’t seem to be much wind noise or road noise.

One of the biggest problems the City will have to contend with at least immediately is its price relationship with its larger sibling the Honda Civic.

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Currently there is only about $1000 between them, which doesn’t seem to make much sense, but Mr Smalley has already acknowledged that the Civic, which went up in price in January, is likely to rise again as the Australian dollar and the Yen continue to do battle.

That will mean a growing disparity between the two, as we suspect Honda has done its sums on the City price and will hold firm on it for the rest of the year.

Mr Smalley has also confidently predicted that the City’s major competitors will also all have to raise prices as the year progresses.

Just how much of a City slicker the new car will be for Honda remains to be seen but we have to say it’s certainly something to like.

Recommended Retail Pricing:

CITY VTI MANUAL $20,490
CITY VTI AUTO $22,790
CITY VTI-L MANUAL $22,990
CITY VTI-L AUTO $25,290

 
  • Tim

    That is WAY WAY WAYYY to expensive! More than 20 grand for jazzed up Jazz (sorry for the pun). Whats really the point if I can have a Civic/Lancer/3/Focus etc for the same price!

  • Ian

    Looks good, but as Tim pointed out and as the article implies, ridiculously expensive and too close to Civic prices.

  • Myke

    Yeah I have to agree, what is up with the price, I thought it would have been $3k cheaper. Shame, because I would prefer this over any its rivals mentioned in the article.

  • Myke

    ^Also, the price seems high considering this car is built in Thailand and not Japan, that should have kept the price down.

    “…car being pitched very squarely at buyers in the 20 to 40 year-old age bracket.”

    I think a large percentage of buyers will be 60+. IMO these small sedans usually attract older folk, looking to downsize and don’t want to buy a hatch, rather a conservative sedan.

  • sexythang

    bad pricing. civic shouldnt increase in price though

  • Sam

    Im with the herd too. Its too dear by about 2k. Agreed, it Should also have VSC. Im the biggest fan of this technology. I wont be adding it to my shortlist until it is added. I thought it was gonna be 2010, but 2011? What the hell are they doing?

  • Alan

    This is ridiculously expensive for a jazz based city car that was developed for developing nations in the south east asia. It is hard to make a definitive judgement without looking at it in real life, but from the photos i’ve seen, the interior appears to be of a lower quality compared to the Jazz and the Civic. No doubt that it was originally built to be cheap and sold to less developed countries.

    Also Mr Smalley’s comment about Civic going up in price due to the strong Yen doesn’t really make much sense as Civic is sourced from Thailand, so the price should not be affected as much as its Japanese made competitors.

    Doesn’t matter how they want to justify it, the fact remains that this car is over priced for what it is, it should be at least 2k cheaper to be competitive with Yaris sedan, which i believe is City’s biggest competitor.

  • Mike

    Tim, its not the same price as a Civic…its not 1K cheaper either as per the article. Its 2.5 K cheaper. I still think its too expensive, but just pointing out the error. It comes with side curtains standard…ill take that over VSA if given the choice…not going to need vsa much in metro.

  • Mike

    Oops my mistake, forget what I said about curtain airbags…I realised its competitors have that standard anyway.

  • Kit

    This City has been on Malaysia’s road for a while. I tested it and i feel the engine noise quite loud around 2500 rpm. The interior material looks cheap and lousy and works even lousier. The plastic on the interior door are so cheap that it will bend inward when i apply a little strength on it.

  • rocket_v6

    nice base car for tuning that marvellous ivtec

  • Shame Honda

    Overpriced bit of junk. Honda have got a hide to not include ESP!

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au David Twomey

    Mike,
    You seem to be correct about the price difference as the latest Honda price list is different to the one we used when discussing with Mr Smalley on Friday! The current difference is now about $2500 with the January 6 price rise applied to the Civic. Still a bit close in pricing I would have thought but the Civic is likely to rise again and the competitors, Yaris, etc, will almost certainly come up to around the City pricing.

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Good looking car, but how much? Hopefully lots of customers go to look at it, see the price and then cross the road to my show room. Come on over folks, its at least 10k cheaper over here. Maybe i should make a sign? I think Honda have been getting away for to long with charging more because it’s got a different badge. But in saying that there are people in the world who will pay a premium to be able to tell their friends they have a Honda.

  • bruster

    im sorry, but i agree with most of you.
    this car is over priced, might as well buy a Civic.

    i bet the profit margin on this car is huge, if they are selling it at that price.

  • Tom

    I don’t see the need for this car, it looks like it sits pretty much were the civic already does

    surely it might be slightly different, but not enough to justify a new model

  • sillyhonda

    Buy Hyundai I30 CRDi instead..Much much better in most aspects and most importantly much cheaper…I30 has ESP but City dose not have, even as an option..What a joke..! Even Odyssey has no ESP..What a shock !!!!!!…This car cost more than 45,000 $…Don’t buy Honda car!! It is rubbish…It is rip-off…

  • Fasthonda

    “Shame Honda” & “Silly Honda’
    You must be the same person,your purile outbursts give you away.You also must be a Toyota lover.

  • Frontman

    Had a look at one on Friday, it will sell. There are buyers out there who will buy it because of the badge and the looks. Probably the same style (no offence meant to anyone) of buyer who blindly go in and buy Yaris or Corolla without seriously looking at the opposition.
    Pricing is close to 3 and Focus (actually Focus will remain cheaper till facelift arrives) and fuel consumption figures are not outstanding but it has a reasonable kit and good (in black atleast) looks.

  • andronicus

    Like Frontman I checked one out on the weekend. Didn’t even know about it until I walked into the showroom and saw it. Not bad, does look like a mini accord euro prior to the facelift last year.
    Will be good for those after something like this but I agree that it’s all a bit too close to the civic at the moment.

  • Shame Honda

    Fasthonda said:“Shame Honda” & “Silly Honda’
    You must be the same person,your purile outbursts give you away.You also must be a Toyota lover.

    No. you are wrong, obviously just the majority speaking their mind, this car is very poor value for money, period. And no I am not a Toyota lover

  • DON

    I have been driving Honda cars for more than 18 years and I have found that during the good time, Honda switched to import their cars from Thailand instead of Japan to gain a maximum profit and jacked up the price to feed its Power of Dream (Honda dealers must be on the main road and it showroom must be very big to impress customers which of course it will cost customers more to have car serviced there). Now it is a doom time, what does Honda do? Honda jacked up the price again last month and blamed weak Australia Dollars.

  • Yianni

    If Japanese manufacturers think they can just slap on the price difference of the low AUD and get away with it then they have another thing coming.

    This car is ridiculously overpriced and if the Civic rises even more than the current $23,000 base price then Honda is dreaming. They need to cut costs elsewhere as well and not just inflate their prices.

    Next thing we know European cars will be the same price or even cheaper than their Japanese rivals and Hyundai and KIA will be much much cheaper than the Japanese.

    The Civic is said to go to $25,000 starting price if the AUD continues the way it is for the rest of the year. I’ll take an i30 or a Cerato for $19,000 and pocket the difference. Honda and Toyota sales will continue to slump if all they’re going to do is sit back and inflate their prices and expect things to go ok.

    I wish them luck if they think this is the answer because they have another thing coming from the Euro cars and South Korean cars where our currency hasn’t been doing as bad and we won’t really see huge price rises from them.

    We also have the Chinese cars coming this year which should put some more pressure on them. Unfortunately in tough economic times the price of a car has a lot to do with the sale of it as people are more careful in how they spend their money. Honda and Toyota pull your finger out and cut costs another way.

  • andrew

    I think Honda would have done better by introducing a hatch version of the civic to australia rather than this.

  • Yianni

    I forgot to add that its stupid for Honda to justify these price rises because of the falling AUD. These cars are built in Thailand in which Australia also have a free trade agreement.

    A Corolla is built in Japan and is cheaper than a Civic that’s built in Thailand with cheaper labour and pays less tax in Thailand.

    What are Honda thinking? Manufacturers that slap on the price difference to their customers deserve to fail in these conditions. This is only short term till the AUD and world economies bounce back.

    I hope they get what they deserve and their sales continue to flop since their overpriced compared to their competition.

  • Alan

    I don’t get why should Honda increase Civic’s price as it is made in Thailand, not Japan.

    Also i agree with Andrew that they should bring the 5 door civic to Australia, i read somewhere they are thinking about it, but it’s time for more action and less talk and thinking.

    As for the City, i wonder who’s going to buy this car. If you want something small and frugal, Jazz is an excellent choice. If you want a sedan that is still frugal but less so, then a Civic is close in price, yet offers better interior, engine and suspension.

  • Reckless1

    Haha, they’re doing the old supermarket trick – reducing the contents of the pack to effectively jack up the prices.

    Then theyre gonna try hiking the price of the Civic.

    I predict this will drive more people to Polo and Golf, both with new models imminent.

    Honda will slip like Toyota did with Corolla in January after they tried the price hike trick.

  • Yianni

    Spot on Reckless1. It shows how price plays a big role in the sale of a car in tough times.

    The Corolla was best seller but knocked off in January by the Mazda 3. The Corolla received a price rise but the Mazda 3 was going for much less since it’s a run out model. Even though it’s a much older car and the new Mazda 3 should be here soon, it didn’t stop it from been a top seller due to its lower price.

    Toyota and Honda should pay attention if they want sales to go their way because price rises will only work against them.

    I still don’t understand why Honda is complaining so much since most of their cars come from Thailand with a free trade agreement with Australia which should mean their prices should be lower than Toyota in theory.

    People should vote with their money and show them who’s boss.

  • Sam

    I know someone who wont buy Japanese Brands in protest to their whaling policy. “Other countries make perfectly good cars and they dont slaughter whales” is her argument, which I agree is a good one.

  • John T

    It does look a nice car, but yeah, price is a little expensive. And although the boot is huge, a problem all these tiny sedans have is the boot aperture is too small to load anything other than suitcase size. So even if you do fold the back seats down, you are still limited in what you can get in it through the aperture. Same goes for all the micro-sedans really. If you want a small car, get a hatch, more practical and they look less ridiculous. However given the number of Barina sedans on the road at the moment, obviously I’m in the minority.

  • Reckless1

    Sam, that’s a similar reason to why I bag French cars and would never buy one.

    No other country fires off nuclear bombs in our backyard for no good reason in the recent past, but France did.

    (I know England did in the 50s, and I don’t buy English cars either, they’ve been rubbish for a long time :) Oh so fondly (not) do I remember the Hillman Minx and the other British junkheaps.

  • Evan

    I seriously think all Honda’s product is too expensive. For example you can actually buy a brand new base model Corolla for $20990 drive away. It means it will be at least $3500 ($20490 + dealer delivery + stamp duty + rego) cheaper then City (bear in mind Corolla is bigger compared to City). If we compare this to Civic it will be at least $5000 more expensive (Civic now starts from $22990).
    $5000 out of $20000 is 25%. So basically we get something less for 25% more. Remember Civic does not even have ESC or ESP but Corolla does.
    I personally would go for Corolla or I30 or Cerato or Lancer before even look at Honda’s product.

  • Alan

    Evan, although Civic is now $22990 and according to your calculation about $25990 on road, but i’m sure you can actually get it for less than that. I bought my automatic Civic back in August for $23950 on road, so depending on whether your $20990 drive away for Corolla is manual or auto, it will work out to be $1000 or $2000 more for the civic compared to Corolla.

    I agree though Hondas are typically more expensive than rival Japanese companies, as it has a slightly more expensive brand image than Toyota in many people’s mind, even though they are not that different in terms of the actual product. However, i had the choice of buying a Civic or saving $1000 on rival Japanese cars at the time of my purchase of my Civic, and after testing them all i thought it’s $1000 well spend as the overall quality and presentation appears to be better. In my opinion, Civic feels better made and more expensive than rival Japanese brands, especially against Corolla, Lancer and Imprezza where the interior feels really cheap.

  • DON

    When is Honda going to learn that people are not going to buy overpriced car? Look at Huge Honda Sale. How long has it been running? Wake up before it is too late.

  • vti

    Civic now has ESP on all models now (before Corolla did), hence why the price went up recently.

    When the new model Mazda3 comes along, it will sell like hot cakes and should outsell all of its competitors.

  • vti

    To DON,

    The current Civic Hybrid is Japanese made.
    The rest are imported from Thailand like you say. However, AFAIK, the Civic’s for NZ are all sourced from Japan and appear to be competitively priced.

  • pasthondafan

    What the hell is wrong with honda these days?
    They used to make some best cars available.
    In 2008 not having safety features in not good enough.
    If Hyundai’s can all have standard or optional safety features why can’t hondas?
    No ESP on the City is appalling, it should be standard on the upper model and optional on the base, I’ll give them a couple points for having the curtain air-bags but they are building probably $2000 into this overpriced car for them.

    It wasn’t good enough when they launched the Civic without ESP and it wasn’t good enough that airbags weren’t even an option on the base model civic.
    Is it Australians honda doesn’t think deserve safe cars or just the younger drivers they are trying to target.

    Australians should stop buying Hondas until they have the safety features honda offers in other markets!

    Come on Honda stop copying Toyota and make your cars at least as safe as Hyundai’s.
    Renault can do it, Subaru can do it, Mazda can do it why can’t Honda?

  • vti

    ESP was available on the top-of-the-line and Hybrid Civic from launch and is now available on all Civic variants. The base model now gains front seat side airbags. The other models have the standard 6 airbags.

    It would’ve been better for the Jazz and City to be
    equipped with ESP (or made an option) at launch as many people are now safety conscious.

  • Evan

    Alan,
    That is correct. But if you can knock $2000 of Civic what stoping other people knock $2000 from Corolla.

    Value for money wise I would still go for other product such as Imprezza (they just cut the price by $2000 + give alloy wheels), or Corolla, or I30 or Lancer.

    It doesn’t make to go for Civic or City in that matter.

    What Honda has to remember that Honda is not BMW or Merc or Lexus or Audi.

  • sexythang

    civic is selling like hot cakes or at least it was since it debuted until the economic crisis. basically supply never caught up with demand in the case of the civic. which i think is the main reason why they can increase the price as compared to other honda models which are all advertised on the ‘big sale’

    i think not many people would buy this car and it will end up being discounted by 1-2k aud.

    in these times you just need to understand as long as you got the cash you have the upper hand in negotiations. they need to make the sale no matter if it brings little profit.

  • Yianni

    sexythang, Honda put up all their prices so it wasn’t just the Civic that received the increase.

    The Accord and Accord Euro both went up by $1000.

    You still get the freebies of the Honda sale but the car has gone up in price if you look closely.

    http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/internet/honda.com.au/home/buying+tools/latest+offers/?WT.mc_id=HP_09JanuarySale

  • sc

    I was interested in the City until I saw the price. Way too expensive for what it is…..

  • LNG292008

    To Evan

    Alot of people are asking or debating the same question Honda i belive has quality ive been driving them for ages sure they are expensive but your certainly better off with a civic than a corolla they go out of fashion* within a year.ie toyotas cars get a facelift yearly* and youll end up with a well deprecitated car but with cars like honda they change there models or designs every 4-5years but i would have to agree this honda city is Sh** expensive.

  • Dan

    LNG, the civic has changed like 3 times in 5 years! Get your facts straight!

  • Alan

    Dan, how has Civic changed 3 times in 5 years? the last generation civic went from 2001-2005, and the current model from 2006 onwards. Yes there was a small facelift fro 2009 model, but a 4-5 year car cycle with a facelift in between is quite common in the car industry.

  • melbournedee

    Since its peak in July, the A$ has lost 42% of its value agaimst the Yen, 28% against the Thai Baht, 17% against the Euro and only 7% against the Korean Won. So Japanese importers will be hurting big time, but Honda is also facing sharp increases. Remember, if the A$ drops in value by 50%, the number of A$ needed to buy the same amount of foreign currency DOUBLES – 100% increase. Honda is therefore facing an almost 40% increase in cost in buying Thai built cars.

    Other factors obviously impact of a company’s pricing decisions, and Toyota has the market muscle globally to absorb these currency movements for a while but even Toyota is making losses these days. The winners look like the Korean manufactures and I predict that Hyundai will have a big year in 2009. Also, models like the Renault Koleos made in Korea offer good value at the moment.

    I agree with others that the City is too close to the Civic in both size and price and doesn’t meet an obvious gap in the market. The Civic hatch would make more sense as Honda only has the Jazz to offer as a hatch or wagon – an obvious gap in their line up in my opinion.

  • Neutral

    The City is a direct competitor to the Toyota Yaris sedan. So if the Yaris sedan can sell, I don’t see why the City wouldn’t. It’s better looking than the Yaris, more well built than the Yaris and handles better than the Yaris. How did I know? Because I have driven both cars before. And those who said it’s close to the Civic in terms of price and size, price Yes but size wise, the City is a much smaller car.

    I believe if Honda can just lower the price slightly for the City, it will definitely sell well here.

  • RoFlmaTiC

    Sam said: “I know someone who wont buy Japanese Brands in protest to their whaling policy. “Other countries make perfectly good cars and they dont slaughter whales” is her argument, which I agree is a good one. ”

    I don’t agree; it is unfair to make generalisations of a whole country.

    Imagine if say, tourists stopped coming to Australia because SOME wool farmers here practise mulesing? Or if other countries refuse to import Australian beef because of mulesing to sheep.

  • Inciteful

    “which would you rather have, really good air-conditioning or ESP?”

    Well, we believe we know what most Australians would prefer!”

    Yes, the airconditioning thank you! ESP is just another gimmick to firstly (go wrong at the wrong time anyway) and most importantly, to lull inexperienced drivers into stupid actions on the road “oh i dont have to worry about flooring it in the wet on an s-bend – its got ESP!!!”

    Whats next you nanny state tossers?? Inflatable guard rails built into the bumpers to deflect drunken junior off the telegraph pole when he’s just gotta show off to his mates?

    And seriously, who ever is going to get into trouble in a vehicle like this anyway? Whilst I looked at it at a dealer, and like it a lot (except for the price which needs to come down at least $2000 before I would consider it further) – its not exactly a performance machine – leave ESP for the likes of Integra sedan (oops, Accord Euro…)

  • eh179driver

    Called in at the Motor Show here in Melbourne. Went to the stand and asked for the price for the City $26’990 drive away!!!!!!!!!!!!
    You have got to be joking!!!!!!!!!
    Thata about $6’990 over the odds!!!!!!!!!
    You can drive out in a Mazda 2 or Fiesta for WAY less than that.
    Ford, Mazda, Toyota Hyundai and Kia will not loose any sleep over the City.
    Nice car but an ugly price Honda.

  • FIT DYNAMITE

    My first car was the Honda City EXi (this City was based on the Civic platform), that was back in 1996 when the City marque was revived by Honda (the original was the City turbo that was actually sold in Australia in the 80′s), at first it was meant to be an entry level sedan a cheaper choice for first time car buyers, back then options like ESP, ABS and airbags were not standard in small cars so the 1996 City was pretty basic. I had the car for 7 years until I sold it and bought the 2004 Honda City Vti ( the sedan version of the original Jazz / Fit ).

    The thing that I loved about the car is its quality, smooth handling and the vtec engine, it improved in every new model and the new version has even more to deliver. The Honda City has evolved from a “poor man’s Accord” to a car that can rival more upscale models. For tuners i think the engine bay could accomodate a K20 engine!!! Its a shame though that when I moved here in Sydney the City was not available yet so I bought it’s sibling, the Jazz.

  • babu

    i am scared about fuel consumption of a honda ciy civic.if any one can suggest me the actual millage of the car i shall definitely own it.I am keen to own a honda city civic.But………i wish to know the average and on highway driving millage from any good person who is well experienced. at present i have suzuki make and i am satisfied with fuel.

    • Deco

      ADR figure of 6.3 litres per 100km for the manual and 6.6L/100km for the automatic

  • ABMPSV

    Figures are correct but this is average. For Honda City 7.9 L/100km man in city and 8.9L/100km for auto. Honda Civic 8.9 for man 10.4 for auto. I always check city fuel economy average is very confusing.