Well well……..I keep hearing about Toyota and their flawless quality and reliability but now another recall. I hope they cop some crap and bad publicity about this because they deserve to. They have a false reputation for quality and reliability and this again proves it.

Spoon dance………………

To quote a great Australian saying “suffer in your jocks”

Yet another Toyota recall ,seems a lot of their recalls end up being real safety concerns .

Alan its not just this site ,if you read a lot of car info sites with areas to blog you will see that many people in the world are fed up with so called Toyota reliability and quality sprucks .

Quote “Toyota recalled 1.3 million vehicles worldwide. The action will be embarrassing and costly. And, it comes with a dose of irony. Toyota will cut global production by 20% this year because the demand for cars is dropping in every major country.

Toyota now has the worst of both worlds–falling sales and quality problems from chasing sales which are no longer there.”

Can we say “we told you so”

ooooooooooohhhh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! I thought they where perfect!!! Thats what i keep being told around here……

Alan – its not so much Toyota bashing as it is a “shove it up your ass” to all the Toyotaphiles who frequently habbitate this site constantly bringing down the likes of ford and holden and saying how much superior toyota is. The funny thing is they often site the VE Commodore RECALL’s but never have i seen Holden or Ford recall 1.4 million…. ouch!

the more you sell,the more you may have to recall.no company and no-one suffers from the tragady of perfection.and yes,ethanol does rust fuel lines…move on.

Has anybody had any problems like this with there yaris?

Yeah whats a little rusted fuel line between friends.I mean whats the most it would cause ?

I read in the states quote “they cannot design their cars to handle up to 15% ethanol without corroding? Most cars have been deemed capable of handling for this amount without trouble. The standard ethanol content of gas seems to be about 10% at most stations I have visited in the last few years (stickers right there on the pump).

Nissan, Ford, GM, and Chrysler produce fuel systems capable of operating on 85% ethanol without corroding. ”

SEP 26, 2007 | Recall ID# 62007 Show Details

EQUIPMENT
CERTAIN ALL WEATHER FLOOR MATS (AWFM) SPECIFICALLY SOLD AS AN OPTIONAL ACCESSORY FOR USE ON THE 2007 AND 2008 MODEL YEAR LEXUS ES350 AND TOYOTA CAMRY VEHICLES. THE AWFM INCLUDES TWO GROMMET HOLES AND RETAINING HOOKS (CLIPS) TO SECURE THE MAT TO THE VEHICLE’S CARPET. IF THE AWFM IS NOT SECURED BY ITSELF OR IF IT IS PLACED ON TOP OF AN EXISTING CARPETING FLOOR MAT, THE MAT COULD MOVE FORWARD DURING THE VEHICLE USAGE AND IT MAY INTERFERE WITH THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL..

Prius APR 03, 2006 | Recall ID# 43808 Show Details

AIR BAGS
ON CERTAIN VEHICLES, DUE TO IMPROPER ASSEMBLY OF THE AIR BAG INFLATOR, WHICH IS USED IN THE SIDE AIR BAG, THE CURTAIN SHIELD AIR BAG, AND THE KNEE AIR BAG ASSEMBLY, SOME INFLATORS WERE PRODUCED WITH AN INSUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF THE HEATING AGENTS NECESSARY FOR PROPER AIR BAG DEPLOYMENT. IN THIS CONDITION, THE EXPANSION FORCE OF THE GAS MAY BE INSUFFICIENT TO PROPERLY INFLATE THE AIR BAG WHEN THE SRS SYSTEM IS ACTIVATED DURING A CRASH….more details

MAY 31, 2006 | Recall ID# 15498 Show Details

STEERING:ELECTRIC POWER ASSIST SYSTEM
THE INTERMEDIATE SHAFT AND SLIDING YOKE IN THE ELECTRIC POWER STEERING SYSTEM CAN CRACK WHEN LARGE FORCES ARE APPLIED AND THE CONNECTION MAY SEPARATE OR THE SLEEVE MAY FRACTURE.

Toyota Land Cruiser and Lexus LX470 Front Disc Brake Rotor Bolt Recall,Toyota Motor Corporation Australia Limited.Vehicles Recalled : Land Cruiser 78, 79, 100 & 105 Series & Lexus LX470
Target Number: 137,479
Model Years From: 1997 to 2005

Lexus will recall 264,000 cars- including 927 in Australia – with GS and IS sedans affected.

Shall I go on ? Sure other manufactures have recalls but they dont spruk on about their quality and reliability like Toyota does or their loyal followers. She waits for the Toyotagasms………….

Big deal… Toyota is the biggest car company in the world, they sell the most cars. Hence it is only logical that when there is a recall, it will be huge, as opposed to if they only sold a small handful of them. When you look into the detail, and actually compare the amount of recalls to say Ford or Holden, there isn’t much going wrong with Toyotas.

And you don’t need to look at recall numbers to compare their build quality. All you gotta do is sit inside a Toyota, Holden and Ford, and the differences in build quality are very noticeable. One classic example was when I sat down in an new FG Falcon, it was brand new, and the door trim and kick panel was coming off. Huge gaps in Commodore’s dash etc, all sorts of squeeks and noises coming out of both cars when driving, you don’t get that in a Toyota. At least not the ones I’ve driven or been in. Holden and Ford are not even close in terms of build quality to Toyota.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Toyoda cant keep this recall behind close doors, the only reason they sell any of their bland, boring, whitegoods is because of ageing people and brainwashed ads on TV..

Three cheers for low quality Toyoda.

HIP HIP >>> HOORAY, HIP HIP >>> HOORAY, HIP HIP >>> HOORAY !!!!!

OH WHAT A RECALL !!! 1.4 MILLION CARS !!!!!

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCCCCCCCCHHHY !!!!!!!

TIME TO CRY IN YA PINK FLUFFY HANKIES..

I am loving this muchly!!! I have to give a round of aplause to BM!

I totally agree with you. I will say I have sat in all three myself, working in a car dealership that sells ford and used cars. I sat in the FG falcon, and it was great, just the quality, for example, when you shut the door, they dont sound so tinny, compared to the new commodore, i mean seriously, grab onto the dash and door trims and shake them, you’ll find the difference. Sitting in any of the new toyotas, is just plain and dull. Quality wise, its nothing extraordinary. Mind you, I would buy any of the three anyway, so thats my unbiased view.

So much immaturity on this forum… so many insecure people doing the usual Toyota bashing.

Nothing is ever perfect. Although even with these recalls, they are still well made cars BM. I’ve owned/driven Toyotas and Lexuses (as well as other brands) over the last decade, not once ever had a problem with any. For comparison I’ve also driven Fords and Holdens as work cars, and the amount of problems those cars have had was shocking! I stand by my statement, they are well made cars. All you gotta do is sit down in them, the quality difference is obvious!

ZoomZoom, that quantity over quality statement is more suitable for taxi Falcodores… they leak engine oil on the ground straight out of factory lol!

Absolutely Mark,the build quality has depleted something fierce with Toyotas over the years ,it does beg the question though Mark with 1.3 million cars of one model whats the plural of Yaris? Yarises or Yarii ,bit like the Lexus question. The plural who cares…..its a piece of crap!

With 134,900 of the Yaris being in the USA I imagine there is a few here in Australia,so if you see a Yaris owner today let them know of their problem ,a little smile when you say “do you know that today 1.3 million Yarises /Yarii have been recalled today ? Is yours a 2006 2007 model? Its over a seat belt problem. In severe frontal crashes, a foam pad could reportedly ignite. ”

Ok how the hell does the front foam pad ignites from a seat belt problem is beyond me yet but bet there glad they dont have the leaking fuel lines as the Lexus does.

The money is depleting from the Toyota account and so should their egos. quote 26.1.09

” Toyota has been raking in the profits for ages now and was thought to have up to $90 billion in reserves as recently as a couple of years ago. The other day, however, John McElroy reported that Toyota may be down to only $18.5 billion in cash with rapidly spiraling debts.”

I do think Dans a little annoyed,oil leaks maybe ,I bet Ford are happier with that than Toyota is with 1.3 million pieces of crap that cost them more to repair than 10 years of oil leaks at Ford . The estimated time for the repair is about an hour they say multiply that by at least $60 an hour that dealerships will charge Toyota.

Please dont tell me you think Toyotas dont leak oil Dan ?

BM, please explain your comment that Yaris’s are ‘pieces of crap’?

I have noticed lately many Toyleta’s on the road blowing black smoke out the exhaust, so they don’t have to leak oil if it’s all burnt away, many mid to late petrol Hilux’s, Camry’s, Corolla’s..

Toyo leak oil as much as any other car and now have as many RECALLS >>>>> hahahahahahahaha.

OH WHAT A LOW QUALITY TOYO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I stand by my comment that Toyota produce cars at a quantity over quality rate as even the CEO of Toyota has admitted to a decline in quality in recent years due to mass production.
IMO I believe that Toyota just care about selling as much as they can without proper quality checks. I think they just don’t care because they know (brainwashed)people will still buy their cars because of the image Toyota has built over its long history.

I agree with ZOOM ZOOM

I don’t own a Toyota and don’t have a love for them, but the level of Toyota bashing here seems rather immature. Yes reports have indicated that in recent years Toyota’s quality has declined due to its rapid expansion, yet they still consistently rank at the top of all quality, reliability and customer satisfaction reports. Personally i wouldn’t buy a Toyota, but you can’t question their sales result and rank in surveys for reliability and quality.

Toyota quality has only ever been average at best, yet they are masters at manipulating perception. The great thing about the truth is it has an uncanny ability to surface eventually. 1.4 million examples of Toyota’s lies!How the mighty reputation(according to their marketing department) has been tarnished!

Keep up the good fight Bavarian Missile, superb!

Dan, you’ll be able to pick up some anti-depressants from your local GP, but all they’ll do is mask the pain and anguish you’re feeling right now. It’s OK to cry mate, just let it out….

TOYOTA SUX.

THEY CHEAT IN MOTORSPORT JUST TO TRY AND WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP,,,,, FUNNY THING IS THEY HAVE BEEN CHEATING THE WHITEGOOD BUYING PUBLIC SINCE DAY DOT…

seatbelt pretensioners have a “small explosive charge”in them guys.wouldn’t like them catching fire for no good reason…

Yeh, a small insignificant car park collision with a trolley may end up with the seat belt exploding, you losing the side of your face and your entire upper torso ejected through the windscreen. Toyota 5 star safety.

LOL, I’m not having a cry! In fact personally other than a Supra, I’ve never bought any other Toyota myself (my partner has though). All her cars never had any trims falling apart, like ZoomZoom’s. Perhaps he has the good old Toyota Lexcen (aka Commodore), who knows, that would definately explain it! Personally, I wouldn’t buy a Toyota, only because they don’t have a RWD car at the moment. FWD isn’t my thing. I’d probably buy the Landcruiser if I ever needed a 4WD, so yeah, they aren’t getting any sales from me for the time being. Lexus on the other hand is mostly RWD (apart from that new ghey hybrid thing), and I am an extremely happy owner of an IS250. NO issues whatsoever (my model hasn;t even been recalled, thought I’ll mention it before one of you jumps at it). I’m not a “mug” who believes the quality is good. I experience it first hand, I know it is good. Quality in that car is outstanding. Feel free to come around and I can show you. Although knowing some of your Toyota bashing tendencies, I can expect a reply about how in fact crappy quality it is etc… where you probably never even sat in one, let alone driven one. That’s ok though. There’s a lot of keyboard experts on here it seems. Carry on

Millatime, so you’re saying Toyota should follow Ford/Holden practices and not admit any faults/recalls even though they should? That’s the right thing to do is it? Okey doke…

Dan, i wonder how they found the issue? If EuroNCAP or ANCAP didnt find it, how did Toyota find it?

What is it with Toyoda and seat belts, don’t they know seat belts are the most important safety item in a car, GOOD REASON NOT TO BUY ONE, DRIVING LIFELESS WHITEGOODS WITH FAULTY BELTS CONFIRMS HOW BLIND TOYO PEOPLE ARE.

In Washington 2008 – Toyota Motor Corp, recalled about 90,000 Highlander/Kluger sport utility vehicles in the United States.

The Japanese automaker wants to fix a problem that could prevent the seat belt in a third-row seat from securing a rear-facing child seat.

Toyota spokesman Bill Kwong said the company had issued a stop sale of the 2008 Highlander SUV and hybrid version with third-row seats to retrofit changes to the seat belt.

The vehicles under the recall were built between May 2007 and March 2008.

http://www.recalls.gov.au/view_recall_by_cat.php?recall_type=5

Don’t be surprised if you find any of your favourite cars on this list people! Recalls are a regular occurance that affects most if not all manufacturers be happy that action is taken not covered up like what happen oh so long ago with the Mitsubishi Scandal!

where’s dingo???? how come he hasn’t told us all about how good toyota are in nascar yet?

“where’s dingo???? how come he hasn’t told us all about how good toyota are in nascar yet? ” – bwahahaha i remembered that, also something on truck racing too…

Hmmm, weird. My partner’s ’07 Yaris with 25K kays on the clock hasn’t had any problems like you’re mentioning there ZoomZoom. Neither did my old ’95 Soarer for that matter.

I’m not a fan of Mazda 3, it looks even more ugly than the Yaris lol! And it’s not a car I’d desire to own. Who would? They’re all cheap econoboxes anyway. But I guess people have different standards and budgets when it comes to the cars they drive, so I suppose different courses for different horses.

Dan how could you say the mazda 3 is uglier than a yaris. Thats insulting. Clearly the rest of Australia isn’t in agreement with you with sales difference being remarkably different.Oh well maybe you enjoy the rattle rattle ride of your yaris which i’m sure many have experienced.

LOL! My missus’ Yaris actually has less rattles than my friend’s SP23! And for a car that’s 15K cheaper too! And yes, Mazda 3 is ugly, regardless which car you compare it too

Minnow, I can see 5 recalls by Ford in the last 6 months, in fact, going down the list, it appears that Ford does a recall every month a half or so haha!

I think we’re missing the point here. As has been said, although 1,400,000 cars is a substantial number, last I checked, a very high percentage of Toyota buyers buy their car to get from A to B. This perception of quality and reliability is commonly read from journos and the market that Toyota are primarily aiming at couldn’t care less for steering feel, performance, looks etc. If it’s priced right, goes, is “reliable” (speech marks for emphasis on the fact that there’s a lot of ?’s around this) and is well built (more on this later) then why not?

Not to mention that servicing costs and aftersales service are excellent.

Now when I say well built I don’t mean this from a ‘reliability’ aspect but more in terms of gaps between panels, creaks and rattles.

The current model Ford Fairlane is in short – (quite frankly) Brilliant. It’s a big mother of a thing though, but once you get used to the size, the levels of comfort and (comparative) handling outweigh the rather disappointing level of build quality. Two things for me ruined it, firstly the door trim. I must have counted some 10 different bits of plastic/rubber/leather/vinyl/plastic-rubber, you name it, it was there. It looked fine though, however, if you want to get into the nitty gritty, there’s a fact for you to chew on.
Secondly, exterior wind noise. Something seemed to be causing a lot of noise from towards the front of the car. I brought this down to something from the exterior mirrors however a family member believed it was due to the wind rushing through the largish gaps between the cars shell. This wind noise aside, isolation was otherwise excellent.

Now last time I took out a Camry up round Cairns (the Ford round Adelaide) in terms of “complaints” I’d have to say they were minimal (from a build quality aspect). Sure the steering makes you feel like you’re driving a cloud, the engine sounds like it’s out of breathe the moment you start it up and the gearbox ain’t too flash but did it get me round from A to B without any annoying noises here and there? Yes it did.

With all that said though, head on over to the US and you’ll see why Toyota have so many cars to recall.

FYI – Current drivers – IS250 (Nice car Dan =P), RX330 w/ C63 due in March.

(Could anyone tell me what the “hand grip” thing is in the center console box of the Ford Fairlane? It seems like a hand grip when extended however seems a bit flimsy to be a grip, almost like it was meant to be a mobile phone holder or something?)

Oh what a feeling my shoulders on fire.

Lexus fuel line corroding because of ethanol?
Sounds like they just cut corners in quality to me and Lexus at that.

Oh the shame Toyota,oh the shame.

Almost missed this one as well ,just trying to keep all you Toyota drivers safe,seems Toyota cant, exhaust leaks,seat belt problems,crash pads catching on fire, faulty disc rotors,leaking fuel lines………..anyone complaining about an oil leak in your non Toyota vehicle? At least you cant die from it !

Dec 25 2008 Merry Christmas………..
“”Toyota Motor has issued a recall for more than 120,000 cars in China to fix a problem that could result in loss of steering control, China’s quality regulator said Thursday in the latest piece of bad news for the Japanese automaker.

Tianjin FAW Toyota Motor, a joint venture between Toyota and China’s FAW Group, will recall 121,930 vehicles beginning Friday, according to a notice on the Web site of the General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine.

The notice said the recalled models include Crown and Reiz luxury sedans produced between 2005 and 2006, and Lexus cars produced between 2004 and 2006.

The agency said that manufacturing defects could cause the electric power steering systems to fail.

It was not clear if the same models would be recalled in other countries. Toyota officials in Japan could not immediately be reached for comment late on Thursday.

Toyota will contact owners of the affected vehicles, conduct checks and replace defective parts without charge, the Chinese agency said.

The notice did not say if any accidents have resulted from the defects.

The recall announcement was the latest in a string of bad news for Japan’s No. 1 automaker. On Monday, the company said it was sinking into its first operating loss in seven decades. Then Wednesday, Toyota reported that global vehicles sales had plunged 21.8 percent in November – its biggest drop in eight years.”

Stay tuned groovers ,the way Toyota is going another recall coming in about 2 weeks .

Realcars Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Oh what a feeling my shoulders on fire.

I’m loving it lol

You buy a “quality” toyota expecting it to be quality, and you pay the money for it too. For anyone following the new cerato blog, you’ll understand that you buy a kia, fairly cheap, does you “A to B” job, expect the quality to be crap, but when you have it for a while, you start to realise it’s what? better than a toyota! haha let’s wait and see

Quote Dan

“LOL, I’m not having a cry! In fact personally other than a Supra, I’ve never bought any other Toyota myself…”

Didn’t you say you own an IS250? Hello, earth to Dan, is there anybody in there…..?

Oh and by the way, was your’s one of the 264,000 recalled with the fuel issue?

Hello, Dan to Millatime I probably should have worded it better. Yes, I owned a JZA80 Supra in the past, great car!! The only Toyota I was happy to buy. Now I drive an IS250. My car wasn’t affected by any recalls though, and hasn’t been to the dealer’s for any warranty patch up work either, only servicing.

Haha, my missus wouldn’t care what people think of her car, frankly neither do I. But saw some really miguided comments, so I figured I’ll jump on board, slow day at work today

As far as your care for me getting laid goes, it’s much more often than ‘once in a while’, but we shall leave it at that

Quote [Dan]: I’m not sure how Toyota found it. It’s their car. Their factory. Just becasue there is a fault there, doesn’t mean that automaticaly every car will have an exploding seatbelt

Thats just it Dan – when Holden or Ford announce a recall the handful of Toyo-lovers on here make it appear as if it affects every single Commodore or Falcon made since the dawn of time etc.. when in actual fact it most likely only affects less than 5% of them… and the situation is ptobably the same in regarda to the Ya-arse.

Therefore; aren’t the Ford and Holden fans justified in returning fire in the same manner – that is as if it effects every Toyota? – as they say Qui Pro Quo

Agreed, I’d probably choose a Honda myself over a Toyota. Not a Mazda though, as that is essentially Ford.

Haha Millatime, I hate to be a bearer of bad news to you actually, but you have absolutely zero idea what you are talking about, and probably the dumbest comment I read today. Do you just see cars as just four wheels and four doors? Yeah? Ok, you’re excused. Otherwise please show me the proof of the same ‘platform’ that you are reffering to? Got any specific technical references perhaps? Please post them up, I’d be sooo interested to read that.

Ah stuff it, I’ll make it easy for you. Camry is much bigger and wider, hence that automatically disputes the platform. The IS is a V6 RWD car, vs a 4 cyl FWD Camry. Oops, sorry to rain on your parade there again. Ummm, not to mention that 99% of components, parts and panels between the cars differ also. Shall I go on? Same platform yeah? I suppose you’ll also say that the Falcon shares the same platform with Mazda 3? Coz it’ll make as much sense as what you have said!

And re the Toyota argument, yeah, Lexus is owned by Toyota, so what? So I get a flashy exciting car WITH the toyo reliability. Happy with that! Toyota and Lexus is just like Mercedes was once owned by Chrysler. Happy, or do you need more educating?

I’m not sure what you are on about Wheelnut, but that is correct, for the n-th time no, I woudln’t buy a Toyota, no RWD in any of the Toyota line up. I bought a Lexus, yes, as that’s RWD. Not sure where you see the ‘contra-dick-tion’…

Well good on you Wheelnut. Considering that 50% of Toyotas were sold privately, your argument has a bit of merit on its own, but once you consider that Toyota has sold 5 times more cars than Mazda, that makes it more private Toyotas sold overall, and your argument has no merit at all.. Try harder mate

Dan Dan Dan…………there is a product called audioclean..its for your ears,now as we are on the internet Im not sure what product I can recommend for your eyes,you clearly cant see what Im writing mate.

My point is Toyota maybe in the black at the moment but its reserves are depleting fast and with HUGE recalls like this one its not helping them.

Great A-B cars……….mmmmmmmm your opinion! Ill have a Hyundai thanks if it comes down to cost,they offer great safety and warranties compared to Toyota it seems. Dont discount your opposition ever, Kia is on its way to being one of the Top 5 Auto manufacturers in the world.

My interest isnt in Toyota recalls ,its simply the fact Toyota and its supporters for so long have spruked on about all its glory ,reliability and quality blah blah till my ears bleed, the rest of us non Toyota lovers have been saying the bigger they are are harder they fall for some time ,time is up Dan ! Toyota as we have said all along are not as good as they are perceived by their loyalist followers.

quote “And mate, let’s be realistic here, nothing is falling apart. One seatbelt pretensioner is hardly a big deal in terms of the quality of the whole car. Get real!

hahaha yeah right…………1.3 million people getting whip-lash may argue with you.

You say your Lexus hasnt been recalled….so not in the 264,000 cars- including 927 in Australia – with GS and IS sedans affected back in 2007? Wasnt that another fuel hose problem ? So its a new one ? You know a Lexus is still a Toyota doesnt matter if you do sugar coat it !

A Supra to a poverty pac Lexus………thats a huge down turn in performance dude!

So your not a car enthusiasts as we thought? Figures !

quote “And re the Toyota argument, yeah, Lexus is owned by Toyota, so what? So I get a flashy exciting car WITH the toyo reliability. Happy with that! Toyota and Lexus is just like Mercedes was once owned by Chrysler. Happy, or do you need more educating? ”

hahaha Millatime you going to educate him on that one or will I ?

Give up Dan your not winning………….

Dan, this isnt a toyota bashing conference, it is a humble pie eating festival.

I also think you are trying to have us on. You also nearly convinced me about door panels and kick panels falling of in the FG, so much so that you made me run out and check it.
ha ha ha ha ha, ok you got me. good trick bud. I went and shook the door car and kick panel trims, and….. not a chance. The FG is one well built car.

Also with the VE, i have never witnessed notable panel gaps. I know the VE interior is made of cheap flimsy plastic, and looks heavily outdated, but in all the actual margins seem to be generally pretty good

Ha ha ha ha ha still cant believe you nearly fooled me ha ha ha ha ha ha
you dont work for toyota marketing by any chance do you, because you are good.

^^^ should have read “Door Card” not “Door car”

U can’t blame Toyotaphiles for their undying loyalty as they have been brainwashed!!!

Truth is they are no better than anything else.

Dan ask the mechanic next time u service your precious Lexus.LOL.

The unfolding evils of Ethanol in relation to your Toyota is propably just the start.

Toyota also get the garlic cloves out if u mention running a Toyota on LPG.

It would seem Toyota has been cutting corners in relation to the quality of components as they are not confident to recommend these fuels in their vehicles as the majority of other manufacturers do. Even Mitsubishi have been making LPG compatible engines in their vehicles for at least the last five years at no cost.

Quote [Dan]: Well good on you Wheelnut. Considering that 50% of Toyotas were sold privately,

I dnn’t think VFACTS count private sales [from the trading post or whatever] they’re only concerned with new car sales – cars bought from car dealerships

Mind you if 50% of Toyta’s were sold Privatley; I wonder why they were selling them and what they replaced them with…?

Yes I have actually, during the Lexus of Perth new showroom opening last year. I spoke to a few and they had nothing but good tings to say about them. Sorry, but I have had no trouble with the car whatsoever, and it’s not the first Lexus I own either, I think I’m in a better place to comment about their reliability since I actually own/ed one or two, over you keyboard experts

Dan, do you actually run it on Ethanol???
just curious

Ask your Toyota Dealer about Ethanol and LPG.
I know a Toyota dealer that says LPG is only for BBQs.

Toyota and it’s on public record have been the most vocal manufacturer in relation to their oppostion to the use of ethanol in their vehicles.

Now a recall for Ethanol affected vehicles in the range.
Looks like problems down the road for Toyotas running on either!

Hopefully covered by future recalls.

Any ethanol affected models or components on display in glass cabinets,LOL

caradvice! how come realcars, wheelnut and bavarian whatever can get on your site and get away with whatever they want to say regardless who they offend, yet others get comment removed or totaly banned! DOUBLE STANDARDS? please explain?

Dan Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Hey Mark. Do you see many 15 year old Kias around? No? Do you see many 15 year old Toyotas around? Yes? Well I suggest you wait another 15 years and you’ll wonder which rubbish tip all Kia’s have gone to haha.
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Now see Dan, this is why Toyota gets bashed around here so much. People like you claim that they are so ultra reliable when really they are no more reliable than many other cars for sale right now.

Kia wasn’t available for sale in this country 15 years ago mate, so pull your head out from your arse. The latest cars coming out from Korea are more than a match for their Toyota equivalents. South Korea is a first world country which is far more technologically advanced than Australia is, so don’t be surprised if in the near future Korean cars are held with as much high regard as Japanese cars are for their quality.

No point boasting about a 15 year old car unless you are going to buy a 15 year old car. What matters is what is available on the market RIGHT NOW, and frankly Toyota’s products are subpar compared to the competition.

Please explain…………….

Um as I said earlier you have a problem report me if I have breached the code of conduct.

Otherwise if you dont like what you read then dont……………..oh and why dont you post under your real name not one you clearly dont want to be identified under.

You clearly dont like Toyota being trashed………..

chucky what are you on buddy? i have never heard so much rubbish! your nearly as bad as bavarian you both need to get some wet ones out to wipe up the dribble!

Toyo can’t hack a bashing based on recalls alone, maybe if they also stopped being such big try hards like cheating in motorsport and lying to the general public we may respect them one day.

Toyo hardly update their vehicles, I thought the Falcon and Commodore was bad for model turnover, but just have a look how old the Priass (Prius) has become YEP started back in 1997 >>>> 12 long bluddy years same horrible shape yukkkkkkk, not to mention most ugly, energy wasting $hit box to ever grace our roads.

hahaha anti spam word AGAIN is Toyota……..

AndrewM said it…………….time for some humble pie Toyota,Im guessing it hard to swallow ?

Some of you bashers need to get a life. Recalls are a fact of life in doing business. For a company that builds global cars, their problems are bound to affect many compared to a recall on a Commodore for instance.

Sammo……..thanks for posting …..first time is it?

As we have stated time and time again,this is about Toyotas profile ……………we have had Toyota jammed down our throats for years because of its so called image of quality,reliability ect,this recall shows that quantity means more to Toyota than quality.

What the hell has Holden got to do with it ?

Fact is Sammo it seems Toyota has had a hell of a lot of recalls for a company that builds it reputation on surveys………….

Wheelnut,
Holden has plans to increase exports???

Well perhaps some one better tell them that that idea clashes with the plans of the markets that are suppose to be receiving these extra Holden exports.

Hahaha, Holden STILL has plans to increase exports?? What are they smoking? Or perhaps, what are you smoking Wheelnut? Wow, it’s a big achievement for Holden to update their models every 5-8 years… not! Even Kia and Hyundai does that. Big deal… And Holden can’t recover their capital costs quickly? They’re GM aren’t they? GM is number 1 car maker in the worl… ah hang on, oops, not anymore sorry. All in the red now, too many recalls lol!

And Bavaria, one recall today, isn’t going to change a thing mate, you can debate all you like here. Fact of the matter, even if your claim of substantially reduced quality is true, it will take a lot for Toyo to feel any shift in customer sentiment as a result. And just out of curiousity, looking in the last two decades of Toyota’s recalls, their amount is roughly the same each year. What’s that mean? No change. Toyo will still be on top. I bet you will be disappointed, won’t you Bavaria? ROFL!

It’s funny hey Realit, since there’s just so much hate for Toyota here, yet… Toyo’s so successful! Must a a very vocal minority lol!!!

Holy exploding seatbelts Batman.LOL.

Dan once again your comments are based on opinions……..

I didnt impy your car was at the top of the food chain ,you paid 80k for a Toyota hahahaha ………..why?

You dont believe I have a M3 SORRY……..your wrong ! If you were an early member of this site you would realise that……The XA GT I have owned since 1985 …….were you born then? he graced the cover of a Ford mag recently .But hey Ill believe you own a 80k Camry mate!

Re the recalls ……spuk as much as you like ..buts thats all you doin..not providing any facts,just opinions based on previous Toyota performance.

So you also live in Perth ? Good me too…………Have I upset you honey……….sorry !

Dan Holden are GM however they sell the cars that they make in far fewer markets than what Toyota do.

As for you still believing that Lexus don’t have any similarities or share anything with Toyota. The final product mightn’t look the same but I’m pretty sure that they would share the same research [and development] data etc as it helps reduce the cost of both cars

Look at VW… The Lamborghini is a completely different car to an Audi but they share similar components which also means they share the same research and development data its just that one refines things that little bit further to make it more suitable for the market which they are targetting etc

Lets put it this way Dan… if a survey was conducted by CA [and we all know how much Toyo-philes love surveys]
as to how many people on this site are Toyota fans ]or how many of them have a Toyota as one of their top 5 favourite cars].. The result would probably be less than 5-10%

So you’re right you probably are in the minority and just like Hoons – its a case of the minority ruining it for the majority.

Can someone tell me if we can still post pics on the CA forum of our cars? I had some in the past but have been deleted along with all other posts on the site previous ?

Dan – Yes Holden do have plans to increase exports because its expected that approx 40 to 50% of the new small car which is going to be built at Elizabeth next year will be exported.. to compliment the 40-50% of all VEs

It will be a new addition to the GM line up even though it will use the current Astras “Delta” Platform [there is an image as to what it could look like on the cover of [Feb09] Wheels]

Dan, I haven’t driven the IS but did like the previous one until I found out it had a lack of power. Anyway I’m just comparing the 3 to the astra, corolla, focus, lancer etc. I’m not stupid to compare to compare it to cars not in its league.
Wouldn’t u pick the 3 if the above (excluding ur IS) were ur choices?

“Dan once again your comments are based on opinions……..”

Pfff, hahahaha. So are yours mate!!

“I didnt impy your car was at the top of the food chain ,you paid 80k for a Toyota hahahaha ………..why?”

Two things wrong with that statement, firstly, a Lexus was paid for Secondly, while I merely chose the car, my work is paying for it

“You dont believe I have a M3 SORRY……..your wrong ! If you were an early member of this site you would realise that……The XA GT I have owned since 1985 …….were you born then? he graced the cover of a Ford mag recently .But hey Ill believe you own a 80k Camry mate!”

Whatever you reckon mate, whatever you reckon… usually those who brag about certain things are those who got SFA. Besides, I could have gotten a used E46 M3 for the same price as my Lexus if not less, easy. And while I appreciate the collector’s value of an XA GT, and how awesome they were in the day, other than investment purposes perhaps, I wouldn’t want to own one, frankly it’s an old and slow heap of crap by today’s standards. But whatever tickles your fancy mate, enjoy your overpriced Falcon My 180SX would whoop its ass though… What also makes me doubt that you are in fact what you say, is that you’re having trouble distinguising totally different cars too… hence why I frankly don’t believe you.

“So you also live in Perth ? Good me too…………Have I upset you honey……….sorry !”

More like, has Toyota upset you honey?? Nah man, I’m sitting here laughing my ass off at all the clown comments posted!

Hah, Wheelnut, your comment sabout GM in being in fewer markets almost sounds like you are making excuses for their failures. There’s a reason why they were number 1, becasue they were all over the world, Austrlaia, Asia, Europe, all under different brands, Holden, Daewoo, Opel… mate, I’m sorry but again… ding! You’re wrong!

“As for you still believing that Lexus don’t have any similarities or share anything with Toyota. The final product mightn’t look the same but I’m pretty sure that they would share the same research [and development] data etc as it helps reduce the cost of both cars”

No doubt they share the same nuts and bolts and other bits. They do have a seperate enginneering team though. But they are not the same cars, no matter how many times you call it a ‘Toyota’…

“Dan must be a let down to jump into the Lexus after driving the Zonda and Ferrari.LOL.”

Great actually, getting chauffeur driven back home in my new LS limo, VIP-spec

“Ask a mechanic about the origins of your Lexus.”

And?…

Wheelnut, I’d probably be sitting on the fence there in one of those surveys. One of my favourite cars is the Supra, but then there is nothing sold new by Toyota which I would own. So yeah, depends on how the question is worded I suppose.

“Dan, I haven’t driven the IS but did like the previous one until I found out it had a lack of power. Anyway I’m just comparing the 3 to the astra, corolla, focus, lancer etc. I’m not stupid to compare to compare it to cars not in its league.
Wouldn’t u pick the 3 if the above (excluding ur IS) were ur choices? ”

Ah, you probably drove the IS200… yeah those are real slow! IS300 is the one to go for, 50% more power, has the same engine as the late model Supra (2JZ-GE), except minus the turbos. Speaking of which, not too hard to fit them either, would be a moster of a car. But yeah, seriously go for a test drive in the new IS ZoomZoom, you will be impressed. And this time the engine is more powerful, roughly same as the IS300.
As far as choosing cars, now I’s probably choose the Corolla over them, simply because the 3 is at its end of life cycle, new one coming shortly…

Realcars, where have you seen an 80K RWD Camry? what have you been smoking?

Keep living the dream Dan.LOL

Well, it seems like you’re the one who’s been dreaming up something there, just been googling “$80K RWD Camry”, zero hits unfortunately… Go ring up Toyota, tell them they need a RWD car in their stable; even if only the refrigerator on wheels, I mean Camry, gets it, at least that will be an improvement. Just skip on the 80K part, it won’t sell lol!

Just a response to several posts above, Some lexus models are based on Toyota models, the CUrrent LS is based on the Aurion/Camry body and interior, and the Rx’s are based on the Toyota harrier. Just for interest Many southEast asian countries push some of the Toyota models over to a ‘luxury’ class.

Geez, you spend one 14 hour day on the road, & you miss all the fun.

I too am wondering what happened to Dingo, & my old mate J.J.T.

At Least “Dan” doesn’t resort to personal attacks just cause we all don’t agree.

If Bavarian Missile doesn’t drive an XA GT + an M3, she’s gone to an awful lot of trouble posting the pics on her Facebook page!
Dan, BM isn’t a bloke, but a hot chick!

Hey, “Jamie Whincup is a Legend”, how come Whincup is never photographed with any of the hot women that hang around racetracks? (Not that there’s anything wrong with that….” )

Of course Whincup is a Legend, he trained in a Holden!

Dan, it was my belief that Lexus cars come down the same production line as the Corollas & Camrys built in Japan?
That’s why many of us believe they are little more than higher priced toyotas.

Also, one of the early models (GS?), was actually built on the Camry platform, & was FWD.

As far as I know, the Lexus Brand is only sold as a seperate Brand in the US, Oz & the UK. Everywhere else they’re just toyotas.

And finally, there were actually 2 toyota recalls today.

They recalled their Australian Rally Team…..

Quote [Dan]: Hah, Wheelnut, your comments about GM in being in fewer markets almost sounds like you are making excuses for their failures.

I said Holden is sold in less countries than Toyota… Not GM.
As far as I am aware there isn’t a car in the world that is sold wearing a “GM” Badge.
GM don’t actually make cars Yet they do happen to own a group of companies that do make cars – including Holden

However; this discussion isn’t about Holden or Ford its about Toyota and the fact that their build quality isnt as superior as we were lead to believe by not only their marketing department but also the handful of fans on this site.

I am not trying to change the subject I am trying to get it back on Topic which is a condition of the code of conduct.

Its funny though when their is an article about Ford, Holden or any other major car manufacturer on this site.. it usually ends up being hijacked by a Toyota fan [like you] so that we end up talking/arguing about Toyota.. giving the impression that you know nothing else about cars except for Toyota
But when the article is about Toyota you don’t want to…. that’s just weird

quote Dan “Whatever you reckon mate, whatever you reckon… usually those who brag about certain things are those who got SFA. Besides, I could have gotten a used E46 M3 for the same price as my Lexus if not less, easy. And while I appreciate the collector’s value of an XA GT, and how awesome they were in the day, other than investment purposes perhaps, I wouldn’t want to own one, frankly it’s an old and slow heap of crap by today’s standards.”

mmmmmmmmmm so does that also mean your full of it ,seems your doing a bit of bragging owning a $80,000 Camry.perhaps you should have bought the E46 M3 for the same money,more grunt,less recalls and wouldnt have devalued anywhere to what your Lexus has so far !

My XA GT Coupe a slow piece of crap ……….hahaha really ???? You base that on what ? I said it was modified, dont you read ? It took out best modified XA GT at the last GT Nationals held here in Perth.

Now back on topic……… Seems to me Dan you dont like the bad publicity that Toyota have brought on themselves,the mighty are falling but feel free to prop them up Dan offer your support facts will still be the same though.

Quantity not quality is what Toyota make these days.

whoa! last comment i made was when i finished work yesterday.. a lot has happened since then… NOT!

why are we repeating ourselves!!! dan needs to get a slap in the face with this article or something!! this is all about toyota!! not lexus.. but seriously, if you wanted something european, you should of bought a european car! come on!!

a modified XA GT vs a 180sx? i dont know.. pretty fair race? what race? the 180 is for drifting, and i’m sure thats all it was made for.. on the straight, and corners, i’ve raced my mates 180 with my evo 7… and it can just kiss my mitsubishi-arse! lol.. i’m 21.. and drive a peugeot 308.. well used to until i sold it.. daily car! ooooOOOoooo (dan… you seriously should of gone for the M3)

I angry face toyo/lexus right now..

what was with the comment about toyota recalling their team or something? i didnt hear anything about that…

Toyota are over priced, over rated and incredibly dull motor cars. This recall shows they are just plain average in every respect. If you are considering buying one, Mazda offer better reliability, better quality, better styling and are actually fun to drive, all for less money!

My ex GF’s Yaris had a power steering failure, rattly interior, doors sounded like they were metal on metal when they closed – really dissapointing car. She now has a Mazda and loves it.

Bavarian Missile

Viscount, Please Explain? and Dan all sound awfully familiar… It seems thou shalt not dirty the glorious name of Toyoda, err Lexcen, oops I mean Camry, sorry Lexus, refrigerator recall prone white goods, sorry, I get confused when we talk about domestic appliances like this…

Quite like the Aurion Sportivo but wouldn’t pay new price for one.

Different engine between them. Granted, but this model is replaced by totally new model in the next 4 months or so. There will be no link betwen the RX and any Toyota anymore. having said that, it was called a Toyota harrier only in Japan and surrounds, due to lack of Lexus brand at the time. That is no more, as I stated above.

Ok, off to Wheelnut now:

“I said Holden is sold in less countries than Toyota… Not GM.
As far as I am aware there isn’t a car in the world that is sold wearing a “GM” Badge.
GM don’t actually make cars Yet they do happen to own a group of companies that do make cars – including Holden”

Right, so going by that mentality, Lexus doesn’t wear a Toyota badge either does it? Toyota is also a group of companies, of which Lexus is a subsidiary of, just like Holden is to GM, correct? Doesn’t Holden use the same engines as other GM brands do? Doesn’t GM as the parent sell the same cars throughout the whole world, except branded differently? Like Astra for example? You can’t claim one thing for Toyota, and then another thing for GM, when it’s the same thing. Ony difference is Toyota uses the same name across the world, whereas GM uses Holden, Opel, Daewoo etc. to sell the same car.

“Its funny though when their is an article about Ford, Holden or any other major car manufacturer on this site.. it usually ends up being hijacked by a Toyota fan [like you] so that we end up talking/arguing about Toyota.. giving the impression that you know nothing else about cars except for Toyota
But when the article is about Toyota you don’t want to…. that’s just weird ”

Me?? When have I ever hijacked a Holden or Ford article??

Ok, now to Bavaria:

“mmmmmmmmmm so does that also mean your full of it ,seems your doing a bit of bragging owning a $80,000 Camry”

Firstly, I’ve never bragged. Only mentioned what I had for relevance sakes. On the other hand, mentioning an M3 and XA GT was purely for bragging rights, and totally off topic, wasn’t it?

“perhaps you should have bought the E46 M3 for the same money,more grunt,less recalls and wouldnt have devalued anywhere to what your Lexus has so far”

Less recalls? How can there be less recalls than zero? I’ve had ZERO recalls on my car. As far as E46 reliability goes, we had E46 330i in the family back in 04-05. There were some electrical problems with that car, it was shocking! While it looked good, it wasn’t as quality as some other cars I’ve driven. And I don’t need a perfomance car for a daily anymore. Have my weekend toy to thrash around in. Oh and lastly, last time I checked, the E46 beemer wasn’t the best performer in depreciation either. Then comparing new car depreciation to old car is also pointless don’t you think? Perhaps logic is not you forte And lastly, depreciation does not worry me whatsoever, for the obvious reason I stated previously

“My XA GT Coupe a slow piece of crap ……….hahaha really ???? You base that on what ? I said it was modified, dont you read ? It took out best modified XA GT at the last GT Nationals held here in Perth.”

Well good on you! You must have been so proud of your ‘achievement’! I base it on the fact that I’m not into these cars, and to me they are a piece of crap, no matter how much polishing wax you slap on it. That is my opinion, just like your opinion about Toyotas lol!

“Viscount if you honestly think that I dont know the difference between a Camry and a Lexus you sadly mistaken and obviously havent been on this site long enough to get the joke!”

Then your joke is sad. Once or twice said, I understand, haha, I’m laughing. Now I’m shaking my head, with a facepalm motion, as you sound like a broken record seriously!

“Lets see the differences”

Yeah… How are they similar?? Different everything completely. Like every aspect you have mentioned there is different, other than the resale factor. Wow. Where do you see not much difference in? Different engine. Different drive. And so on. With your mentality, I can easily compare a 318i to the camry and claim they are the same also. Actually, closer as at least they both share the same feature being four cylnder engine lol! Nice try but, didn’t work, never would have…

Mark:

“this is all about toyota!! not lexus.. but seriously, if you wanted something european, you should of bought a european car! come on!! ”

Yeah, somehow they turned it into Lexus bashing too. If I wanted a german car, I would have bought a german car. We had a few germans in the family too, so I had a good basis to compare when I was buying the lexus. Trust me, I am not a narrow view person who hates all but the Jap cars, I see cars for what they are, and have driven/owned all sorts. Same can’t be said for most of the people in this ‘discussion’.

“a modified XA GT vs a 180sx? i dont know.. pretty fair race? what race? the 180 is for drifting, and i’m sure thats all it was made for.. ”

Depends what you modify it for. It will do a decent quartermile, althought it has been set up for drift. Not that it can’t be changed with a bit of tweaking. They’re very versatile cars, depending on what you want to do with it. Most of those GT Falcons are only good for power runs on the dyno and perhaps a drag race, if they can get traction. And of course they will totally get annihilated in corners lol! Hence I don’t see much value in them… Drift is much more fun, and actually takes proper skill!

“(dan… you seriously should of gone for the M3)”

I don’t need a perfomance car for everyday man. Happy wiht what I got as a daily.

Zorro:

“doors sounded like they were metal on metal when they closed”

You serious?? My missus Yaris doors make a nice thud noise when closed, never any metal on metal noise.

“If Bavarian Missile doesn’t drive an XA GT + an M3, she’s gone to an awful lot of trouble posting the pics on her Facebook page!
Dan, BM isn’t a bloke, but a hot chick!”

Definition of ‘hot’ can be very subjective lol! Post her facebook link, then I’ll see if I agree with you. In past experience, most performance Falcon driving chicks were far from hot, Shazza bogan types. Post a link, I’ll be glad to see something different for a change

Dan says:

Quote [Wheelnut] “Its funny though when their is an article about Ford, Holden or any other major car manufacturer on this site.. it usually ends up being hijacked by a Toyota fan [like you] so that we end up talking/arguing about Toyota.. giving the impression that you know nothing else about cars except for Toyota
But when the article is about Toyota you don’t want to…. that’s just weird ”

Me?? When have I ever hijacked a Holden or Ford article??

Dan I didn’t say YOU specifically i said Toyota fans like you… However; just like the other 5 or 6 Toyota fans on this site you’ve taken a general comment about Toyota personally as if you are Toyota.

whoa.. way too much typing.. that’s not even worth reading.. i just took a glance at all that mumbo jumbo.. man.. all i can say is that we agree to disagree.. end of discussion…

PS toyota is shyte!!! haha

Sooooooooooooooo Dan your a drifter here in the West,then you would know JAsh ? Hes a facebook friend of mine ! You however wont be !

Ill ask him if he knows you ?

Now time to relax.

Going by the latest Corolla ad… only Pussies drive Toyotas!

Mark, I agree with you, it’s all about being able to sell stuff. A good salesman will sell ice to an eskimo. I for one am not one who will listen to a salesman though. Before I step into a showroom, I know what I want, and I know what I am buying, other than trying out test drives first etc. No salesman’s pitch has ever worked on me. But then there are people who aren’t into cars, and rely on salesman’s pitch to be convinced to buy cars. And if sales skills are what sells toyotas then so be it. Nothing wrong with good marketing departments. Business is business at the end of the day. Having said that, Kia nad Hyandais must have an even better marketing dept and salespeople than Toyota, since they also make sales. Go figure.

“As the saying goes it’s best to remain quiet and let people think that yu are an idiot…. than it is to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

Haha, laughing my ass off here! So… are you going to take your advice? Because with statements like “I believe the first GS was a FWD” etc. your anti-toyo camp looks stupider with each post hahaha!

“just because your car isnt wanst ir hasn’t been affected by a recall YET – doesn’t mean that all Toyotas or Lexii are perfect…. you were just lucky I guess ”

Nice backpedal there champ! Face it, you got nothing on me, or my car in terms of recalls lol! I was lucky? Nah, I knew I will have no dramas from the very beginning when I bought it mate. ANd what the hell is a lexii??

“Well then you shouldn’t really coment of Muscle Cars like the Bathurst winning GTs then should you?”

Well, similarly if you’re not into Toyotas, then you shouldn’t comment on them should you? LOL!

“you feel the need to say something -despite the risk of embarrassing yourself.”

Yes, most of you are doing a very good job at embarassing yourself!

“But why no reply to why your Lexus is better than the Sportivo Camry, doesnt it show you how Toyota rips off their customers! How do you justify the extra in a Poverty pac Lexus ?”

Here’s another quote of a moronic post. I’m not even going to bother replying to that. Aren’t you embarassed yet? I now no longer think you are, I know you are, as per Wheelnut’s post, if you know what I mean

“Yes Dan but we were not talking about Toyota snd GM the companies…. we were talking about Toyota and Holden – the actual cars. They are two completely different issues.. one is a physical entity the other is a financial entity”

Ummm, whatever. I’ll make it simple for you to understand then. WHen I say a GM car, I mean a car produced and sold by the GM corporation and its subsidiaries. Is that clear enough? You’re seriously picking on words here to avoid answering or acknowledging what I said, because you know I am right on that one Hence going back to original issue, GM produced cars, which of course includes Holden, are sold all around the world, just like Toyota manufactured cars are. Hence essentially GM as a group of companies, plays in the same size market as the Toyota group of companies does. So the two companies, playing in the same market, one of them lost the number 1 spot, and one of them gained the number one spot. Kapish? Or are you gonna pick on some other words here? And for the record, there is no such thing physical entity seperate form financial entity, they’re all ONE you drongo!

Quote [Dan]: “When I say a GM car, I mean a car produced and sold by the GM corporation ”

That’s understandable however; [you were specific as] you said “Holden” not “a GM Car” – therefore its al relative as to how many markets cars with Holden badges are sold in as opposed to cars with Toyota or Lexus badges

So Toyota have called another 1.3 cars for checkup. Now bearing in mind they sell about 900,000per annum. So over the last 6 yrs that’s 5.4Million. According to a USA website they have recalled now about 4.3million cars in that same period. Woooo thats an unhealthy 80% of their production.

Eat you heart out Dingo Doggy and TP rose coloured spectacle wearers.

Dan – No we\’re not discussing rocket science.. We\’re not talking about the company we are talking about the cars thay make – in this case it just happens to Be the Yaris… the Toyota Yaris – which has been recalled and thereby tarnished Toyotas reputation for build quality safety and reliability

As for your comment that their is no such thing as a physical entity or a financial entity…
If you can touch it it is a physical entity if it has a monetary value it is a financial entity.. entity being a legal term for item or thing.

GM exists in name only – if GM ceased to exist there would still be Holden cars.. that is the difference. Whioh is why you must be specific are you talking about the company or the cars?

Same applies to Toyota even though Toyota is both the name of the company and the cars that they make/sell.

The reason GM cars have so many names around the world is because when GM took them over they kept the names like Holden Chevrolet Opel etc because of the companies reputation in the country that they are from.

Which is why Holden are still seen by many as being more Australian than Toyota despite being foreign owned – as Holden is the only Car company that was Established in Australia

Wheelnut, you’re again avoiding my question, and you are missing the poing completely. But back to differentiating your “physical entity” from financial entity, fine. WHat is the difference between Holden Astra, Opel Astra, and Vauxhall Astra? THat’s a physical entity… Fact is, other than commodore, Holden sells global GM cars (ok, made by subsidiaries of GM, just easier to say GM cars as a WHOLE). So basically, and you’ll have to agree with me on this one, wile GM decided to keep the original name within each specific country, it’s only a symbolic thing isn’t it. As whether it’s Holden, Opel, Vauxhall, Daewoo, or Chevrolet, they very much sell the same cars. Only difference is the cosmetic badge on the front and back. Hence leading back to the original issue, GM is playing in exactly the same global market as Toyota, isn’t it? Other than the minor cosmetic difference of having different badges on. So GM losing their number 1 spot to Toyota is not because they have a smaller market like you falsely claimed.

And going back to your comment about no GM badges on cars, there actually are some SUV’s in the US with GMC badge on the front. Just thought I’d correct you on yet another mistake

Dan, just wondering if you don’t have any interest in Toyota as you claim, why do you spend three days defending them.

What the hell are you on about?? It’s just a difference in naming them dude! Otherwise it is the SAME structure!

Point is, GM and it’s local subsidiary Holden, play in the same market as Toyota global, and its local subsidiary Toyota Australia. They are seperate entities too mate. Only share ‘Toyota’ in its name, that’s it! I am not sure exactly what the legal company name is for the Toyota global company, and can’t be stuffed looking it up. It makes no differnce because we all know, a subsidiary of that company sells cars here. Same structure as GM/Holden, same structure as Fuji/Subaru.

But whether it is GM/Holden, Toyota Global/Toyota Australia, or Fuji/Subaru, they play in the same market! Surely you can’t disagree with that!?!?

Whelnut, who cares about the badge. How does a Holden Astra, Opel Astra, and Vauxhall Astra differ?? You haven’t answered that question yet. The badge makes sweet FA difference. It’s cosmetic. Get it through your head mate, you’re clutching at straws here, and makes you look more and more ridiculous!

“Dan, just wondering if you don’t have any interest in Toyota as you claim, why do you spend three days defending them.”

No I don’t have an interest in Toyota. But I see so many retarded posts on here, like this badge issue, I can’t help myself lol! Same goes for you people, what interest do you have in attacking toyota huh?

Well I for one do have an interst in Toyota. That is to make an awareness to people much like urself although you don’t have an interest that Toyota isn’t the brand its been hyped up to be. So many people don’t know this and thus Toyota gains another sale. There are companies such as Honda and Mazda that can offer cars which are far more superior to their Toyota equivalent.

ZoomZoom, get a life mate. So you are a Mazda salesman? How about you learn proper selling techniques instead of blaming your shortcomings on a better car lol! And I wouldn’t make wild claims like ‘far superior’. Probably why your customers are walking away… just an honest opinion that’s all

The only thing they need to recall next is for sleep-inducing boredom. hahaha

Seat belts and faulty fuel pipes seem to be hereditary in Toyota ,

Quote “Toyota will recall about 57-thousand Lexus vehicles due to faulty seat belt winder parts.

The recall affects the Lexus G-S and I-S models sold in North America, Japan, Europe and other markets.

Passengers may not be able to buckle up due to the faulty parts.”"

Um with the faulty Seat belts just found in a 1.3 million Yarises and two weeks ago and ANOTHER recall on rusty fuel lines (2 years after the last one) ,it makes you wonder if Toyota keep faulty parts ?

Oh and Dan

quote “January 16, 2009 – Torrance Ca. – Toyota Motor Sales, USA, Inc. will launch a Safety Recall with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) involving approximately 214,500 Lexus vehicles sold in the United States.

On certain 2006 through 2008 model year GS300/350, IS250/350, and LS460/460L vehicles, Lexus has determined that some ethanol fuels with a low moisture content may corrode the internal surface of the fuel delivery pipes. If this condition occurs, the Malfunction Indicator Light (MIL) in the combination meter may illuminate. Over time, the corrosion may create a pinhole in the fuel delivery pipes resulting in fuel leakage.

Lexus dealers will replace the fuel delivery pipes with newly designed components. No other Lexus or Toyota vehicles are involved.

Lexus will inform owners of the involved vehicles with a Safety Recall notification via first-class mail beginning in late January. Owners are requested to contact their local Lexus dealer for diagnosis and repair at no charge.”

So Dan seems your model may have been recalled you just dont know it yet,but hey as long as you dont use ethanol you will be fine. : )

Absolutely Dan word of mouth is the best form of advertising,

Toyota now chants “bring back your faulty Yaris ,bring back your faulty Yaris ”

I mean MOST people have a mouth and three friends ,you just dont seem to have the friends on this thread you can convince of Toyotas reliability and quality.

man.. if PSA flogged the crap out of peugeot on adverts like holden, ford, etc.. i would sit on my arse an wait for the customers to come in… instead of grabbing them off the streets haha…

just for everyone as well.. can we please stay on the topic of toyo.. lol.. i think CA might have to come up with a new blog where people can just speak their own mind about crap.. lol

and even though we may disagree on a few things dan.. still not being pro toyota here.. but i do agree that GMC (General Motors Corp) is an actual vehicle with the GM badge on it… not attacking you wheelnut.. but tis true..

i think dan.. what the hell do you have to say in this blog to make everyone happy?!?! I agree with a lot of comments with BM, and same with you..

can some sort of compromisation happen here??? lol

come on, its all about a badge.. and the thing is toyota’s badge what it used to be.. now toyotas marketing team will be doing doo-doos in their undies right now because how the hell are they gunna get out of this one, after saying how great they are..

a good example of badge perception is the mazda 2 and the new ford fiesta.. i do know a lot of people here that would buy a mazda 2 over the new ford fiesta, even though ford have owned that platform since day dot.. but just only released it this month.. thought they’d see how mazda would go i guess… but reason being, is they would go for the mazda, because of the name..

i’m pretty sure that if we took all the badges off cars, and we had the choice of deciding which brand should go where.. yeah, we will be pharking with a lot of peoples heads.. like i could probably see someone putting a toyota badge somewhere on a kia.. haha..

Mark you are right on alot of things in your last post. I strongly believe both models well sell good. Just wanted to let you know that one of the reasons that Ford didn’t release the fiesta first is because Mazda was the one who had more input when developing the platform. Mazda helps ford with small cars and Ford helps out Mazda with larger engines and suspension systems.
Its probably one of the most successful alliances between 2 car companies ever made IMO.

sweet, thanks for clearing that up with me ZoomZoom.. i had no idea why ford didnt bring it out first.. lol but yeah.. it is so true what you say.. its probably why mazda is doing so well.. because of the small car industry and demand at the moment lol..

when i think ford, i think falcon, when i think mazda.. i think.. mazda 2 and 3.. lol.. and 6.. and mx5, and rx7/8…

Dan, you lost all credibility when you said the Yaris is better looking than the Mazda3, but you were right when you said the badge doesnt make FA difference which is why you are driving a TOYOTA.

Because, after all the Lexii are built in the same factory as the camry and share the exact same ESP system as the camry! You’re right, a Toyota is a Toyota is a Lexus. The badge doesnt make a difference.

Oh, and by the way, Hiluxes arent unbreakable as my mates Lolux POS is testament to that!

Dan

Thanks for replying, man you’ve been busy this last couple of days, do you work for TMCA or a Toyota/Lexus Dealer?

Your partner may have been lucky with her Yaris but close the door on the one we had and there was certainly a very tinny metal on metal sound, same when you pulled on the door handles to open the doors. Sounded very tinny and thin and cheap and nasty, not at all confidence inspiring. When the power steering failed the various dealers we spoke to just did not want to help at all. I must say I do agree with Zoom Zoom, Mazda outclasses Toyota hands down.

Oh and Dan, please don’t bother to argue the toss on this, rather go and do something constructive with your Saturday, or are you at work at the dealership?

“Whilst Toyotas management is one of the best their cars aren’t all that good yet with GM the management isn’t that good but their cars are.. particularly in terms of longevity value for money and bang for your buck”

Haha, bullsh|t! Really? wHat are you smoking?? GM makes good cars? With falling sales, dated and old technology vehicles, quality control problems GM is far from producing good cars.
Why have they lost number 1 spot? WHy do they need bailing out? It’s not management’s fault, the products they sell are sub standard! If stuff isn’t selling well, nothing a management can do can they. Less people are buying GM glabally becasue they are sh|te, and that’s a FACT my friend! If they made good cars, they wouldn’t be in the strife they are in, stop deluding yourself!

Dan the reason GM are in the Sh!t [and dragging Holden and Opel down with them] is managements fault

The old farts in Detroit were/are to slow to react to change and didn’t/don’t have enough foresight.
Compared to most of the cars made by GM in the USA; the cars from Opel and Holden Sh!t all over them in terms of design; features; build quality; safety; and economy which are some of the most important things people consider when buying a car….not to mention value for money – BFYB.
Yet they refused to take advantage of what their subsidiaries like Opel and Holden have/had to offer.

If the products they sell aren’t selling its management’s responsibility to do some research as to why they aren’t selling and make the necessary adjustments.

Dan
“Every one knows Mazda is for poor people, what is the most expensive Mazda out there? Ummm… lol!”
So if a own a Toyota, what does that make me? Homeless? Come on. I based my comment that Mazda is better than Toyota based on comparisons and reviews. Their opinion is more credible than yours.
At least if I had a Mazda 3 I would still be able to see your face in my rear view mirror as I pass you. Thats right! You told me to test drive the previous gen IS300 because its faster. Its still a sluggish car. Same goes for ur car. You paid 80k for a car that can bearly out grunt a Camry. Don’t claim that ur car is faster than a sp23 because ur wrong.
Lexus IS250 0-100: 8.8 seconds
Mazda 3 sp23 0-100: 8.5 seconds
also Mazda 3 MPS 0-100: 6.1 seconds.
The quarter mile doesn’t get any better for you BTW. I don’t want you to start crying about how you are unable to understand how ur 153kw engine can’t beat a 115kw 4cylinder.
Wow did I just find out something better in a Mazda than in a Lexus. Wasn’t very hard believe me.
So while u would rather be in ur Toyota, I would rather be in a Mazda 3. There must be a lot of poor people out there because quite frankly they do agree with me. BTW not everybody uses this site and therefore it is impossible to voice the opinions of all those who disagree with you.

“you lost all credibility when you said the Yaris is better looking than the Mazda3″

And you misunderstood what I was trying to say. Both are fugly. If one is less fugly then the other, does it maker one better? No. They’re both ugly! You can’t be serious when You say Mazda 3 is actually good looking, can you?!

“Lexus is built in the same factory as the camry”

Wrong! They have a dedicated factory for Lexus. Get your facts straight.

“Thanks for replying, man you’ve been busy this last couple of days, do you work for TMCA or a Toyota/Lexus Dealer?”

Nope, just enjoying myself

“Your partner may have been lucky with her Yaris but close the door on the one we had and there was certainly a very tinny metal on metal sound, same when you pulled on the door handles to open the doors.”

Nah, not in my partner’s Yaris. Weird, yours must have been made on friday arvo haha.

“Mazda outclasses Toyota hands down.”

Let’s get something straight here, there is no class in driving a Mazda 3, a Yaris, a Mazda 6 or a Camry etc. Wouldn’t put ‘classy’ and these cars in the same sentence together. But you may have lower standards than me who knows

“Oh and Dan, please don’t bother to argue the toss on this, rather go and do something constructive with your Saturday, or are you at work at the dealership?”

Nah, been riding my jetski all day. Would prefer a leisure weekend over a constructive weekend to be honest

“Dan the reason GM are in the Sh!t [and dragging Holden and Opel down with them] is managements fault”

I probably should have worded it better, was too rushed with that one, but never mind. I know what you mean, GM management should have chosen and designed better cars for sale so more people buy them. Which brings me to original point I was trying to make, they aren’t selling good cars lol, coz if they did, they wouldn’t be in such a problem. Hence your comment about their cars being good or better does not go well with this does it? You’re contradicting yourself there

Wow, the thread has become long. Here is my two bobs worth.

[Zoom Zoom: Quote]:Everyone who doesn’t own a Toyota knows it.

Good point. I used to own a Toyota and at I times I would drive my father’s Mazda – no comparison with the Toyota. The Mazda was just plain fun to drive, the Toyota on the other hand – BLAND. The first time I took my Mum in the (then) new Toyota, she noted how much body role it had. I also notice that it had to be pushed hard to get it going as well and in one stage, I lost power on a hill in a 70kph zone.

Now, I drive a Mazda3 SP23 and it is one of the best small I have driven to date. No comparison to the best selling small car!

There you go, an opinion from a guy who has owned both marques.

Also:

My friends Camry sometime back had to have a total engine replacement. Not what you expect from a car with ‘bulletproof’ reliability.

Mazda is for everyone – from the 2 to the RX8 – something for everyone. What about Lexus err Luxury Toyota? Do they sell $25,000 cars with a Lexus badge?

“Mazda is for everyone – from the 2 to the RX8 – something for everyone. What about Lexus err Luxury Toyota? Do they sell $25,000 cars with a Lexus badge?”

No, Just like Merc and BMW, they don’t sell cars for plebs, if that’s what your question is.

Can’t speak for the others as to why they do that to be honest, I personally have never made any bad comments on this site in regards to Falcodore recalls etc. Now it just seems you guys are having a bit of a payback, isn’t that right? And while at the momemnt I drive a Lexus, which gives me a lot of satisfaction mind you for the job that is was designed/made to do, as mentioned before my previous daily car to that was the E46 330ci, with Supra for track (it’s harder to drift in it) I’ve even owned an AU Fairmont many years ago, so while I got a foot in everyone’s camp, I don’t actually sit in anyone’s camp, if that makes sense. I suppose what I am arguing more against is the misinformation that keeps popping up in these comments, like FWD GS for example, or the retarded IS vs 3 comparisons lol! If this was a Mazda article and some idiot stated a Mazda 3 is RWD I’d be doing the same thing haha.

Dan you fail to get the point. I don’t have to modify a Mazda to make it better. It is as it is better than your toyotas. What you are basically saying is that Toyotas/Lexus aren’t good cars to begin with and you have to modify them in order for them to meet your needs. Or as I see it, I could just buy a Mazda.
Only 9 secs then ok. Lets post what someone else managed to get from a stock mazda 3.
Mazda 3 0-100: 7.3
I am comparing new cars. Not Cars that have been discontinued or haven’t been for sale in the past 5 years or more years. Also you said your car was 1000 times better in every way. Clearly not in acceleration
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/quickest_cars_0_60_mph/the_quickest_cars_of_2009_less_than_20_000_feature
Acceleration in the Mazda is better than the 80k Toyota.

As you have noticed more and more people are realising how idiotic ur argument is. If ur only here to stir things up
then it is clear you are only trying to do so because you know you are wrong and you know what the reaction from others will be.

Back to ur previous post:
“And I’d stay away from the ever non-reliable mazda rotaries too haha.”
I don’t ever recall Toyota or Lexus as you call it, winning the 24 Hours Le Mans. Mazda won. Their lap pace wasn’t good but it was their reliability that made them win. You are starting to sound like all those old people that talk and talk about how unreliable rotaries are. Come on get with the times Lexus driver…I mean 80k Toyota driver.

Hey Wheelnut how did u find that out. Are u the administrator or something?

Wheelnut, I can’t make excuses for d*ckheads, I’ve no idea who that was. But it seems like one person has tarnished the toyota camp on here. I think it’s time to move on though, don’t you think?

Dan: Putting words in mouths seems like you do it better than me then. I begun comparing Mazda to Toyota which is fair wouldn’t u say. U decided to place ur Lexus in it and started abusing all who dared challenge u. BTW can you afford the Lexus IS-F (here come some more BS get ready 4 it everybody) or if not doesn’t that leave ur car looking like a “pleb” car.
You have started a new argument of your own and seems like you are the only one who can win.
Lets start again shall we. This recent recall is evidence that in recent years Toyota has placed quantity over quality on their products. (seeing as u have no interest in Toyota don’t drag anything on)

Dan your just like any other Toyota lover that comes on this site you dont read and understand and then you read things that arent said.

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“Dan Says:
January 31st, 2009 at 1:08 pm

Bavaria, get it into your head that the world is not going to come crashing for Toyota over one or two recalls ok. You may keep on dreaming as much as you like, but fact of the matter is, this won’t even make a ripple, no matter how many times you quote the heading of this article here. As someone above said, recalls are part of the business. All manufacturers do recalls every now and then. Keep dreaming all you like, but you;re only setting yourself up for a disappointment.”

reply Ummmmmmmmm Dan the whole point of me going over and over the whole recall thing is for you to understand that Toyotas reputation is going to s..t .These are pretty bad recalls ,most of them safety as Ive pointed out,and Im sure Ill have to do it again for you. Me disappointed,mate your the one driving a Camry with 200kgs of luxury items that cost you 50k. Sure other manufacturers have recalls Toyota lovers are always the first to puff their sunken chests up and gloat about “Toyotas so called quality and reliability “.Fact is your beloved Toyota standards are diminishing so wake up and smell the recalls.

quote …….And no, my own car has not been recalled, for the n-th time, I’m saying this, learn to read!

reply………So what year is your Lexus ? How do you know that its not about to ,just like the US ones have ?

Quote“When the hell did I say that I sell cars. U get a life! Why do u have 2 attack all the people who think Toyota isn’t like it once was. This article proves it. I just happen to like Mazda just like you like Toyota apparently. I don’t need to sell cars to know that Mazda is better than Toyota. Everyone who doesn’t own a Toyota knows it.”

reply WTF………….I didnt say you did sell cars ?Perhaps that fuel line is leaking and the fumes are confusing you.
Mazda have always made better cars than Toyota,they are up there with Subaru and Honda.

quote .I’ll be short. You know the saying, ‘opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one, doesn’t mean they’re right.” Articles proves what? End of the day, “everyone” in this article is merely three or four people who simply hate Toyota, and hated the from the begining. WHo is everyone you are referring to? LOL! I can tell you right now, it definately isn’t the average public, that’s for sure lol! And I’d rather have an 80K “Toyota” than a $19,990 Mazda 3 econobox POS. It’s 1000 times better in every regard. You’d have to be ignorant and in denial to claim otherwise. Every one knows Mazda is for poor people, what is the most expensive Mazda out there? Ummm… lol!

reply ….hahaha Mazda is for poor people???????? based on what ? Mazda have always made better cars than Toyota…there said it again! You obviously cant count if you think there are only 4 people on this thread that dont like Toyotas! What the most expensive Mazda out there????What the hell has that got to do with them making crap cars? It just shows they dont enter into another category,nothing to do with they cant make one !

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There’s four of you making comments in this thread, with anti-toyo bias from the start. Who’s there to convince? All four of you? Yes, that is a lt of “most people with three friends” hahaha. You’re joking right?

reply “You obviously cant count if you think there are only 4 people on this thread that dont like Toyotas!” Ive got into double digits counting………I thought you were an accountant like the rest of Lexus owners hahaha

Mate give up you losing !

haaaaaaaaaaaaa,where did ZOOMZOOM back off ?

Toyota lovers really are legends in their own minds!

Quote [Dan]: A responsible pleb with a family, won’t buy one. Just because they can, doesn’t mean they will. Hence why you don’t see many of them on the road.

The reason a number of people buy a BMW is because they can…. The reason a number of people buy a Merc-Benz is because they can…. The reason a number of people buy a Lexus is because they can. So what’s your point

If you can afford to buy it; insure it repair and maintain it or manage the repayments why wouldn’t shouldn’t you?

Oh Bavaria Bavaria Bavaria…

“Dan your just like any other Toyota lover that comes on this site you dont read and understand and then you read things that arent said.”

Really? Well I never said I own a 50K Camry with 200kg of luxury items. I think you should learn to read woman!

“the whole point of me going over and over the whole recall thing is for you to understand that Toyotas reputation is going to s..t ”

According to whom? You? Great. You would have never bought a toyota anyway, so no biggie. HJow about you understand osmething… average person who’s about to buy a car, won;t give two hoots about another recall. There are recalls for all cars, always. And Toyota salesman never claim there is no recalls.

“So what year is your Lexus ? How do you know that its not about to ,just like the US ones have ?”

I’ve had it for roughly one or two years now, early 07 model, can’t rememeber exact date. If you were able to read properly you would have noticed that the very first models were affected. Mine is way past it. ANd how do I know? You never know anything until it happens. I just have confidence in the car that it won’t. It’s so well made, there is not one rattle in the car. Quality is exceptional. It’s a well made car. That reassures me, that’s how I know. And no matter how many stupid commetns you’ll make on ze internets, it won’t change. I mean how do you know your rustbucket won’t fall apart from all the rust? Exactly

“Mazda have always made better cars than Toyota,they are up there with Subaru and Honda.”

LOL! No way they are near Honda haha. Close, but not up there.

“hahaha Mazda is for poor people???????? based on what ? Mazda have always made better cars than Toyota…there said it again! You obviously cant count if you think there are only 4 people on this thread that dont like Toyotas! What the most expensive Mazda out there????What the hell has that got to do with them making crap cars? It just shows they dont enter into another category,nothing to do with they cant make one !”

You obviously missed my point. We got a person here who gets excited, like, really excited about a pleb Mazda 3 for christ sake. What makes them pleb cars? Because none of my neighbours (I live in western suburbs) drive them. They are cheap! 20K for a car? That’s how much we spend on our holidays! Call me a snob or whatever, but a successful person woud rather buy some NICER. Get it? Or are you not sucessful? What year is your M3?

“You obviously cant count if you think there are only 4 people on this thread that dont like Toyotas!” Ive got into double digits counting………I thought you were an accountant like the rest of Lexus owners hahaha”

It really doesn’t matter what I do for a living. And even if I am an accountant, I’m not complaining about my 6 digit salary…

THe amount of stupidity on this forum amazes me.

ZoomZoom, do you know the difference between an econobox and a luxury car? Tell me honestly. You have backed down, you said there is no stock Lexus that will match performance wise to the chepaer MPS, I shut you up with the IS-F. Or are you claiming the MPS is in any way superior to it? Get it into your dumb head, I didn’t buy the IS for thrills, but for something else. I got another car that gives me thrills. Comparing two totally differnt cars is stupid, anyone who thinks it isn’t is an idiot!

Folks I think we have our new Dingo………….

Im off to spend family time .

Back at you tomorrow Dan the Man,Im waiting for Jeff to come back…….cant wait to here how good the drifting accountant is ?

For those of you in Qld, this fella Dan reminds me of the current BCF television commercials. They go something like this:

Voiceover with footage of geeky nerd in front of computer
“Dan rekons 3 days in front of his computer writing about Toyota’s is enjoying himself. That’s not living Dan, this is living…” Cut to action shots of blokes boating, camping, fishing..

GET THE HINT? GET A LIFE DAN!

Toyota makes tuff as nails (like me) 4X4′s (except the girlie 200 series) but the rest of their cars are limp wristed soft rikshaws, especially try hard wannabe Lexarses.

“Voiceover with footage of geeky nerd in front of computer
“Dan rekons 3 days in front of his computer writing about Toyota’s is enjoying himself. That’s not living Dan, this is living…” Cut to action shots of blokes boating, camping, fishing..

GET THE HINT? GET A LIFE DAN!”

I had a slow day at work for the last two days, so killed time. ANd today I went jet skiing for a few hours. Mate, I got a life, thanks for asking

“Toyota makes tuff as nails (like me)”

ROFL. Terry Tryhard…

Bwahahahahah – Got ya hahahhaha w@nker!

“Close, 16 actually. Look at u having an argument with me. And guess wat, u got owned.”

Yeah, you owned yourself, with dumb comments. I figured I must have been talking to someone who knows fark all. I mean you haven’t even driven cars yet, and you make wild statements. L8r alligator, sweet dreams, your mummy should have made up your bed by now. Tomorrow morning ask her if you can apply for a license. Opinions without experience mean nothing. Now goodnight!

Tough guy Dan picking on a 16 year old kid. As you said yourself it’s a public forum and anyone can post their opinions.

Why don’t you fly over to Qld for a holiday tough guy and I’ll pick you up from the airport…?

Ok, in all honesty, that’s crap. I am friends with a lot of professional people, whether through private friendships, or through work contacts. Whatever. The fact that they are well educated professionals, helps them in understanding how money works, and have been taught how to budget etc if they haven’t known that previously. What you’ll find, especially in the current climate, is that the ones who have overcommitted themselves, are not the white collar workers, but the for instance the miners who went out to earn a quick buck, hoping the boom will last for 20 years. They are the ones who HAVE to have everything all at once. Mass up heaps of debt, hoping they will be paid well for years to come to service the loan. Well, times have changed obviously. There will be a lot of SS utes going for cheap shortly, and that’s a given.

Also, as you may or may not know, who is ultimately responsible for the financial crisis? The poor plebs in America who got the low doc sub prime mortgages when they couldn’t afford to, and overcommitted themselves. They weren’t well off professionals. And that’s a fact

“Tough guy Dan picking on a 16 year old kid. As you said yourself it’s a public forum and anyone can post their opinions.”

Last time I checked, age is not provided on the forums. Of course eventually you can figure it out when reading his dumb posts lol! I won’t ‘pick’ on him anymore, just ignore his crap from now

“Why don’t you fly over to Qld for a holiday tough guy and I’ll pick you up from the airport…? ”

What chauffeur business do you run? I knew Toyotas were versatile but I would never pick a landcruiser as a limo lol!

“that just shows how dumb u are. I already hav a licence. Just shows how much u know about anything”

Yes, because everyone is equipped with Extra Sensory Perception, and I can use my telepathy skills to find out your name, where you live, how old you are, and how many demerit points you have on your license. All just by looking at my laptop screen. Good night.

You take the mickey after he reveals his age, real tough guy. Yeah I’ll be a chauffeur and a limo, just let me know where to pick you up.

Four words of advice for you;

GET A LIFE FOOL.

Joober – well said and just what I was thinking.
Still I suppose pretentious w@nkers have to pay for their jet ski, 20K holidays and Lexus somehow.

Fond this.

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“TOKYO (Reuters) – Toyota Motor Corp said on Wednesday it would recall more than 1.35 million Vitz and two other models globally to fix a defect in the seatbelt, a component in the exhaust system or both.

Subject to the recall in Japan are 525,898 Vitz, Belta and Ractis cars built from January 2005 to April 2008, Toyota said in a filing with the transport ministry.

It will also recall a combined 830,000 units of the Vitz subcompact, called Yaris in many markets, and Belta exported to Europe, North America and other markets, a spokeswoman said.

One case of fire was reported in Japan due to the faulty seatbelt design, which could cause a noise-absorber device to melt when the seatbelt tensioner is activated in a collision, Toyota said.

No accident was reported in Japan from the defective exhaust-gas recirculation (EGR) pipe, which could crack in the worst-case scenario and cause exhaust gases that fail to clear emissions standards to leak.

Toyota declined to disclose the estimated cost of the recalls.”

Personal injury lawsuits in the states would have been interesting if they hadnt recalled the cars…………and whats the go with the exhaust leak……first I heard of it. More safety issue Toyota !!

Quiet ironic really considering the up till now the Yaris was considered one of the safest cars in its category,having a five star rating from NCAP.

toyota,whitegoods on wheels.clever advertising huge sponsership deals like the afl also take note when the comercial tv channels do a positive story on the motor industry they always use toyota products for a backdrop,if its a negative story holden or ford get the guernsy,guess who spends the most on advertising?same with all the yank clone tv programs we persist in producing you only see toyota placement.of course they are number 1 for 20 years they have brainwashed the public or in my view conned the public to think that these boring souless cars are actually a good thing.

Dadd, the probs with my mates lolux is the seatbelts and the motor.

The seatbelts dont fasten properly all the time and when unfastened they dont retract and are therefore always getting caught in the door. Still, i suppose thats better than the seatbelt catching fire and burning me alive!

As for the motor, he had an overheating problem 6 months after he bought it and now the problem has resurfaced. He now has to top up the radiator every time he drives it, goes through about 20 litres of water a day.

and youre probably right about the clutch as he has to rev the engine and ride the clutch just to get the thing moving. Is getting it fixed next week.

Unbreakable my @rse!!!

Wheelnut Say’s >>>>>> Going by the latest Corolla ad… only Pussies drive Toyotas!

VERY VERY TRUE INDEED, SAME PUSSIES WHO ARE HYPNOTIZED BY THAT SWINGING FLURO LIGHT IN THE AD, GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW TOYBOTA SALESMEN FORCE A QUICK SALE FROM THEIR BRAINWASHED CUSTOMERS.

OH WHAT A WHITEGOOD !!!!! TOY-APPLIANCE.

“Mitsubishi and Nissan always have been and always will be the elite of the Japanese brands” – Mitsubishi?, I would more say Honda and Lexus target the upper echelon. Nissan although, provide solid cars, generally elite on the other hand probably not, but elite in the performance stakes coming out from Japan.

Fpr-typhoon: Are ur claims that Mazda is worse than Hyundai from personal experience or just dislike.
Let me tell you a little something about Mitsubishi. I know someone who owned a 98 Lancer coupe. It was slow and had a problem with the fuel tank that the mechanic told them could start a fire. 2000 came and they still liked the llook the lancer and so bought another one. Warranty ran out at 3 years and thats when all the problems started. It suffered from the same fuel tank problem. Replaced the car battery but the car kept dying. The car needed to be started every day in order to prevent it to from breaking down. As for the infamous Magna, thats another story.
“no toyota or mazda will ever beat a mitsubishi or nissan if speed is what you are on about, as for reliability those two boring cars don’t come near the mitsubishi and nissan. So there if you want to debate this for eternity go for it but the facts will never change”
So according to you a Tiida and Lancer are faster and more dynamic than a Mazda 3.
Same as its seems you claim that the Colt and Micra(maybe you prefer the look of this better X[) are faster or have less body roll than a Mazda2 or even a Yaris for that matter.
I don’t doubt your claim of Nisssan’s quality but seriously Mitsubishi is even behind Toyota.
If Mazda was so unreliable how could a 1994 model 121 reach 360,000km on not have one single breakdown.
I view Honda, Nissan and Mazda as top three in reliability followed by Subaru, Toyota, Mitsubishi etc.

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