Very sexy, and awesome features. Bye bye Falcon!
No folding back seat, FAIL
No bench 3 seater Ute, FAIL
No powertrain improvements, FAIL
Far too expensive, FAIL
But still better than say a i45 orphan
It will still slaughter Falcon.
The falcon was slaughtered along time ago…
It’s an UP-sized Malibu with smoother tail lights.
yep and from malibu reviews from overseas thats not a very good thing at all!
Yeah, Malibu has been panned, it’s not selling. Which is why they made the Commodore look like it, to soften people up.
Except its RWD and a completely different car. Apart from that its the same…
The Malibu isn’t for sale.
GM couldn’t make enough Camiras in the US (except with a Vauxhall Victor engine !) to sell, so I wouldn’t give much credence to their tastes.
I believe one of the major criticisms is the lack of a “soft top” option…
The Malibu is for sale in the US and will be here soon. The styling cues are all Malibu, as you are quite aware and if not you are going to be mighty embarrassed. RWD FWD is irrelevant to styling. But you’ll get your wish when the replacement commodore comes out FWD 4 Cylinder in 2016.
Can’t wait to see the 2014 Falcon. This commie will get SLAUGHTERED!
I doubt that very much! Ford sales have been dropping big time every year, much more the the Commodore! The Falcon is dead bird…
Matt, the Commodore actually fell by a larger percentage than Ford last year.
huwtm that’s not hard. The falcon can’t really fall any further without disappearing completely.
Everyone forgets Territory and Falcon are made in the same factory, and Tezza is doing well enough to prop Falcon up.
Well lets look at it another way. Falcon has been falling, sure but it looks like it’s levelling out. Commodore on the other hand is in a nose dive. If the new Epica takes off it will absolutely destroy Commodore sales.
Exactly. Does anybody think the renewed interest in large cars might actually benefit Falcon sales?
i.e. People who wouldn’t have considered a large car before VF (say 750-1500/month) about to take the plunge. at least 50% of those will look at the competition just to ease their mind. Granted competition isnt necessarily just Falcon for the price, but alot of them will look at Falcon that wouldn’t have if not for the VF fanfare.
Say of those 50% who shop around before putting pen to paper, maybe 15-20% find the Falcon to be a nice fit and decide to go with it instead. Theres 100-300 extra sales, and a scenario where Holden by proxy is doing a better marketing job of the Falcon than Ford.
I was going to suggest this would be offset by fleet customers flocking to the VF in droves, but it seems like Holden doesn’t want the stench of fleets with this new one so maybe my theory will prove correct. Thoughts?
I don’t think there’s renewed interest. You have your regulars, and your GM inserts, to beat the GM drum. They work the same way on the US sites.
Your theory is good, and would be great if it worked out, but as I stated and some one else stated on here, there’s a 20,000 difference in price for a car that has no greater space and less versatility and economy than a 3, or for that matter other than price, a Falcon.
But you and I and everyone else knows price will win.
After your last personal attack towards me I think it is you that is a bogan, childish personal attacks show how much of an (o) you really are.I show evidence for the comments I make which are factual, unlike yourself who just peddle insults which are useless meaningless garbage. If you don’t like the VF or Holden why did you come here? To Troll? When your finished just do Australia a favour and hand in your dole form on time so you can pay the rent you loser. Next comment you make actually try to add to the discussion or troll away at your own pleasure as it is you that is the moron in here.
I got nothing to prove to you, big internet guy. Enjoy your delusions of grandeur and bogan-trashed houses.
I’ve said I like it alot, plenty of times. But you’re the forum crusader!
You should show your mum this burnage.Then she’ll know what a strong little man she has!
Wayne, I own an fg xr 6 tray back ute for work, and a ba xr 8 styleside for dump run’s and a HSV Grange wm model for the wife. Hate to tell you which car I prefer to drive…
Three-bench seater ute? You’ll never see that again I’m afraid. Too unsafe. We’re not in the 70’s anymore.
I quite like the look of the VF. From the spy photos, I thought it was going to look like a Daewoo. But it looks more like an Opel.
Good work from Holden, I think.
Bring back the bench seat with column shift, especially for utes ! ! !
If it’s safe to fit 3 in the back, then why not in the front ? ? ?We went backwards when we decided to sacrifice a seat to select drive or reverse . . .Even changing gears is safer than floor shift as your left hand is next to the steering wheel . . .Not swooping the hand up from the tranny tunnel to catch the wheel . . .
Probably because in the back there isn’t a person in control of the car.. Cram 3 people into the front seat and it puts danger for the driver who may get knocked/interfered with while controlling the vehicle
Ford does PERFECTLY safe with the Flcon Ute 3 seater, all 3point seat belts, all covered by airbags
Any other *experts*?
That’s it they can do it if they wont too.My hiace sits 3 in the front and its heaps narrower than a falcon
Powertrain has not been mentioned at all…
Tradies and various businesses still need utes..
Expensive? I wonder what you drive then? haha
Hyundai.. I remember seeing an 135 when my ve ssv right hand side rear door swung into the front panel of an Hyundai i30 or something. Massive dent, 450 buxs to fix. My car… no mark at all.. Solid holden wins again 😛 Hyundai’s are made out of plastic, don’t even compare you knumbnut
This is why Commodore will fail, Holden along with it’s supporters think Commodore is only up against Falcon. It is up against a buying public that has a bigger better choice of vehicles.
and Ford is at the bottom of those choices infact are they still operating in Australia? Sorry but no one can beat a luxury sedan of this size , power and comfort for that price. After all if Holden are so crap why are they used as Taxi’s and fleet vehicles which drive up to and beyond 500,000km? Think again VW driver lols
Hi Jerry, Holden is up against every car maker, journalist etc and GM knows it.
Just to make a point. Look how many likes there are towards Jerry’s comment about how Commodore’s will fail. It’s quite obvious this place is full of Holden haters and Trolls, how about the lot of you clear off and by a Hyundai you mongrels.
…..as the falcon disappears over the horizon leaving the torqueless thrashy SILI V6 or antique pushrod boatanchor miles behind.
One thing I don’t understand about Fpv owners is the way they drive the car. Every time I see a FPV or Ford xr8 they’re driving it like they just bought it. When I see an xr6 turbo it’s always sideways ===== and when I see an ss,ssv or a hsv they’re being thrashed around town like no tomorrow. It states a lot, you can thrash a Holden day in day out and it’ll perform every time unlike the Fords which I barely see on the road anymore. The VF has put the nail in the coffin for the high performance Falcon series who in desperation slapped a supercharger in their v8 (coyote) I know Holden will follow suit but seriously only 335rwkw? with a supercharger? come on is Fpv serious? A modded SS can whip up 440rwkw after tune. I for one will be holding out on the VF until 2016 as my Ve ssv is still punishing the competition at 340rwkw 😛 Drive, Sound and looks all a win win win but am sure this VF will finish whatever was left of the Ford Manufacturing in Australia unless Ford U.S. pump some major cash flow in Australia their brother will be selling cars outside bowling clubs.
All that tells me is that the majority of Holden drivers are Morons who think they can drive like Brocky on the street. How many times do you see Crummydores torn in half after hitting a power pole? the Miami outputs are from a factory 5.0 and you compare them to a modified 6.×? Just shows how bunky LS engines are. Great for morons to chuck skids and weed out some of the swimmers from the shallow end of the gene pool
No stimpy, it says you are suicidal, and you’re probably from Mt Druit.
The way a car is driven states nothing about the car what so ever. And the the Miami engine with it’s overboost actually produces around 500hp for a limited time. However Ford unlike other manufacturers don’t overstate the output of their cars. And don’t bring aftermarket figures into the argument, search Nizpro XR6 if you’re into that sort of stuff.
If youre suggesting that 335rwkw is a joke then youre the joker …..because anyone who understands will know that all these engines (regardless of brand) , have more potential than what theyre rated at . Much of the time theyre rated at less than what they produce and with the the supercharged falcon engine the 335 is achieved by a low boost which can be easily increased by some small tweaks . The 335 kw is a modest amount for a force fed V8 , whether its 5 or 6 litres , and regardless of the make ,and whether its 335 , 400 , or 440 or whatever its only dependent on the amount of boost , and not so much on engine size . Clearly you think you have some people bluffed here !!
LOL thats why in V8brutes the 5.0 Ford NA coyote v8s are held back just so the 6.2 can keep up.
Wayne I think this is good for Falcon.We all know Falcon has the excellent i6+fz6 combination.
Holden have showed how far the bar can be raised.Falcon can do the same.
If they get the Falcon look right, it’s already bristling with tech, which they can add to, I don’t think they’ll have to many issues. The heads up, auto park, which all the smaller fords have, and that reversing thing are the only advantages. Falcon has more advanced engines, etc. The only issue all big cars have, is the move away from them.
That will be interesting.Commodore has been mid sized pre VN.Maby only the early Falcons XP,XK,XL could be regarded as mid sized.
That’s true, Ford resisted downsizing. This time they may not have a choice if they are to keep the business.
I think future Falcon styling cues may come from the Fusion which is a good looking car.
I also think large car salvation also would be in proper advertising,as you said the only advantages an SUV has is a higher seating position.Large cars have better fuel economy and dynamics.
I would’nt even be mentioning the Ford in here, it’s no longer seen as competition by Holden. Holden now is in new league of vehicles, it’s the luxury upmarket high performance range. Audi’s and Bmw’s will be feeling the pinch after HSV bring out their F Series lols.
Who the hell are you? That is total Crap. The Commodore is built to an American standard. Do you know what that means? If you don’t you can’t be helped.
Your worst nightmare!…So what standard is Ford built to? It is also from the U.S. Are U.S. standards a bad thing now? If they’re cheap and made out of plastic it’s because they’re selling to a particular market. Look at the Chrysler SRT-8… Superior vehicle that challenges BMW M5 and high end performance MeRC’s. I purchase vehicles based on mainly performance and quality and corvette shows all of that. Check out the 2013 corvette. They export their vehicles all over the world. What’s your point? Ford has’nt produced a vehicle that is of the VF’s stature yet have they? Oh sorry I forgot about the Territory… God that is a fugly vehicle if I ever saw one. I know, the Ford Focus, that is a winner.
Pros: Good steering… that’s it.Comfortable when driven slowly.
Cons: Dated appearance, interior consistantly falls apart, lacks in performance, expensive to maintain. Built by drug addicts and people with tafe certificates, 50% of their employees are colour blind and drive like my auntie.
There was an instant where I nearly sold my ve ssv for a GS ute as the sale price was a bargain for such performance but then changed my mind after a work m8 said he would only be able to speak to me on a professional basis if I purchased a Ford.
Time to join the club and purchase a Holden instead of a Ford, support local manufacturing and let’s bring Australian vehicles into a new era the world has yet to see.
I’ve owned brand new Holdens on two separate occasions. Both dealers the service was s–t. The build quality was s–t. That’s enough for me. I can’t be spending two days a week in service departments trying to get simple problems cause by service departments fixed. Being a meth dealer you probably have the time I don’t.
I’m not sure about you hutwm but Stimpy77au’s comment is making my sarcasm meter hit it’s limiter. The Holden VF Commodore / Chevrolet SS may be good vehicles but they were never designed to take on the German luxury makes. That’s what GM’s trying to do with Cadillac now.
Oh really? What about HSV? You don’t think their VF (F Series) Senator or Clubsport will be competing with BMW’s /MeRc’s and the Chrysler SRT-8? BMW’s are expensive for numerous reasons but the gap has closed significantly since the introduction of the VF.If the new VF v8’s drive like an improved VE then I’m sold. Either HSV VF Series or Chrysler SRT-8 for me sorry. I don’t mix with name branded Euro vehicles as what your paying for is just the name now days. Holden have come a long long way since the days of the VT Commodore m8, I suggest you drive a high end Holden or for that matter maybe a 2010 upwards HSV and you will see what I mean. Ve commodore is a lot more refined than the days of old.
stimpy77au , you truly are the epitome of an obnoxious, braindead bogan. I haven’t seen so much bull$h1t since I accidentally watched Question Time today. I think you’re the drug addict. Steeempy you Eeeediot!
Yeah into even bigger underpowered SUV’s. lol
@ Fairlane, Even though I am a Holden fan I must say the Fusion aint too bad at all!
well no, Mazda 3 sold the most, people like the SUVs for higher seating ease of entry, more versatility and so on.
maybe hello fusion
Sign me up for a new VF now, I can’t wait to update my VE
Will be waiting for the F Series HSV Clubby
Not worth waiting for “Simple77au”.! Moron.
Another Ford fan… So many cut up keyboard warriors in here. Jealousy is a curse.
Ford Fan, Really! says who?
Jealous of a Commodore? Hardly.!
You Holden guys go-on as if “GM stopped making Commodores the sun would rise the following morning”.!
Just shows how Pathetic some are.
It doesn’t matter what you say to Meathead Holden fanbois they buy a polished turd on wheels and think its the ducks guts. Anything else thommo and davo wont approve. Knuckle draggers.
The HSV model will raise the bar again. The E3’s were filled with so much technology, now all that stuff (and more) comes with the Calais V.
My only concern is that HSV may tread on Ford’s toes calling thir VF models the ‘F Series’.
your kidding your self. The exterior looks terrible. Aurion rear lights any one!!.
However, the interior does look good but unfortunately the commie will attract bogans which will then detract sails
Here we go, Bogan time. What is it with the bogan sentiment? HSV’s are not cheap you baffoon. They’re $70,000 a pop. How are Bogans suppose to afford them? Use your brains not your passage.
Sell meth or ‘work’ in the mines. Either that or rack it up on tick.
Isn’t that already your job stimpy? How come you’re complaining you can’t afford one.
I own one you dole bludger. 2010 Maloo and 2008 ssv 😛 I have 2. What do you drive. Seriously now come on, what do you take to work everyday renter.
Every car needs competition, be careful what you wish for……..
It looks very classy. Well done Holden.
you were looking at a top of the line car, it should look classy for 60,000 plus dollars
Then explain why my neighbour’s 3 Series for 63K looks like its interior plastics are the remnants of melted down water bottles. For the price Holden will likely charge, and all that standard kit they have done an outstanding job.
Sure no problem. The 3 series first and for most is OVERPRICED in this country for what it is and for what it is intended for. In Europe where it comes from as you know, it is a Mondeo rival. A reps car, nothing more.
The 3 series in this country is over priced by as you can tell at least 30,000. But many of you argue that they and other imports should be high priced, which I can’t understand. Our dollar is high enough for those prices to be much lower, but they have continued to be held up. Obviously increasing profit margin. End result is people like your neighbour go and buy them any way, and BMW laugh all the way to the bank.
Of course the Holden id over priced too, when compared to what they will charge for it in the US. But if you think it’s good value, pay your money and take your loss, like your neighbour.
What do you drive? Or do you drive at all. Holden high performance vehicles are a Drivers Car, if you like your VW’s then I’ll see you at the “Bowls” you old codger after I’m finished hitting the 11.5 sec barrier at the track.
Yep we know the holden drivers car , weezy V6 over rated old tech V8 , plenty leave it for dead , carrying tooo much weight .
What is classy about it?
To me it looks like it was designed by Daewoo and assembled in Elizbith.
To fit in all the kit and technology and still keep the price affordable, it is clear that Daewoo have used cheap and tacky materials and built the rest of the car on a shoe string budget.
Nothing, it’s American chrome
This will get the Commodore back to No 1 seller in Australia – go Holden !
Can we bet on that?It fell a fair way from no.1 last year. my money still goes to the Mazda 3, then Hi-Lux next year, and forever after that.
The VE series has been out for over 6 years and it’s been Australia’s top seller for a while. Mazda’s only last a few years and then most hit the scrap yard lols. I would never purchase a Mazda or a Nissan or even a Hyundai and their quality is extremely poor and their design’s are not exciting.
Sweeping statement about nothing , VE died from the day it was released , electrics problems , poor economy , crappy V6 , way too big for what the market wanted , hence the downward spiral in sales , mazda have soared because it is a good product .
You obviously don’t realize through you meth haze Mt Druit boy, that a harmonic balancer failing so early is a bad thing. Your dad’s car must have sounded like a bucket of bolts. Typical.
When a 20k car takes over no:1 from a 35k car there is a financial situation going on. The market has changed and people are down sizing there purchase but make no mistake you only get what you paid for.
Exactly, you get a high quality compact car (Medium sized) with good economy and excellent fuel economy by comparison to a large car with dated yet altered styling that has poor economy and questionable build quality. So the factors are, 3 isn’t that much smaller than the Commodore or any large car inside, or outside for that matter, Cost is low – 20,000 cheaper than retail, not discounted like on the right, performance is good, economy is very good. Build quality is excellent. Not a hard choice really.
If only Mazda was that smart, for years with their 323 you got a small car with small engines like 1.6 and you had to pay a premium to get the 2.0l in there SP model, punching over 30k with on-road costs and still it was a small car.
You are delusional if you think a Mazda 3 isn’t smaller than a Commodore, New Mazda 6, Falcon. First try 3 full size adult in the back seat or try 5 adults and 200kg luggage in the boot and see what great fuel economy figures you get in a Mazda 3. Also, see how well it drives, perhaps you forget physics, a short wheel base car with skinny track will never ride like a bigger car. This is the reason small cars have grown in size as you can engineer suspension but the laws of physics still apply.
The government release CPI, but no where do they mention what is happening with wages. There are people who are working part time as they cannot get a full time job, Uni students with degrees that work in coffee shops, chemists as they cannot get a job with their degrees. People made redundant to find after 6 months unemployed they get a full time job at 70% of what they earned or House wives who took 10-15 years off to raise a family and find that are now earning the same amount as before they had children. Or try the industries were wage rises are almost non existent like the IT industry were pressure from Malaysia and India means work has been out sourced. All this and more has put financial pressure on people and they now need to spend less as they have less.
A 20k Mazda 3 is finally big enough that people are choosing it over a Corolla and can squeeze into it and if you drive by your self or only two people on board it will do the job.
JoeR – You are operating with VERY old information. Mazda 3 and other cars in the class are not small cars. Pull your tape measure out and have a look at the measurements. Wheelbase and track alone will tell you, and of course width length and hight. They have engines with plenty of power.
The vast majority of people travel one up in their cars, but these are more than capable of carrying FIVE full size adults. That’s the benefit of FWD, cabin space! Modern engines give them plenty of power and they even have electric windows and aircon now, not mention airbags and parking sensors and self parking etc.
The mid size car is far more versatile than a large car and way more economical, with more than enough power to go any were you want. Why do you think MOST people are buying them.
Bottom line is, for 20K less than an inefficient BIG car you can have a versatile efficient MEDIUM car. You obviously have never been in one , but people who try them like them and buy them. That’s why the next Commodore will become one.
huwtm, you have trouble reading, reread my previous post last paragraph.
It does not matter what they do to the Commodore it will not be no1 again, in fact it is the same reason that a Mazda 6 will never be no 1.
IT ALL ABOUT AFFORDABILITY but remember just because you cannot afford it does not mean its not better.
Note: I have been in a Mazda 3
You see joe, you didn’t read my response properly, I was making a successful argument to say medium cars are better and more efficient that large cars. As well as being cheaper.
I’ll also add, easier to get around the city and suburbs in too. As well as more comfortable and economical on long drives.
Mazda 3 is a dull as ditchwater medium fwd four bought by old ladies. Ho hum. Hyacinth Bucket car.
And its going in a few months anyway.
He just does not get it hwtm , crummer stuck between two worlds , the older baby boomers who had crummers all their life are ditching , economy , looking for smaller but luxury suv or hatch .
Under 40’s educated mobile world travelled , have seen that you can easily live with a smaller car , the legend means nothing to them , GM hype just washes over them .
When air travel was expensive in this country , we all drove interstate , and i did it quite a lot in big cars , we all fly now .
Small cars have gone ahead in leaps and bounds , handle better , more power , better economy and can easily handle interstate travel when required .
You bet your VB that the replacement will be a lot smaller and will be carring 4 cyl turbo , groan .
Is the VE poor in build quality? I’ll laugh in your face and then slap you one. All my Holdens run excellent and have only needed to change the harmonic balancer on the ssv as it reached 120,000km. You obviously are thinking about Holden’s back in the 80’s when they were put together like leggo pieces.
Golfmother, I know plenty of people under 40 and once they have a couple of kids and prams they all gravitate to a large car.
My Sister, lawyer, drives a XC90, her husband drives a AWD VW Transpotter. My best mates wife drives a KIA Grand Carnival, another mate has two Skoda Superb Wagons, another wife Volvo V70, actually cannot think of anybody who drives a Mazda 3 size vehicle. Even the single mum across the road drives a Honda CRV, My son soccer coach VE Commodore, My daughter best friend drives SAAB 9-5, My mate from Optus drives Kia Grand Carnival. The assistant Coach has a Audi Q5 and its a family of three.
Actually, the only people who drive Mazda size 3 cars are the children on their P and L’s or are just of them. My 21 daughter drives a SAAB 9-3 Aero, My mates 20year old daughter drives a Camry V6, another 21y drives a Ford Focus. 22y old Drives a Toyota Rav4. 17y Old Nissan Pulsar, 17y SAAB 9-5 Aero – too large but that’s the one they take when they go to the beach or footy training…
With the kids are they old or new cars? Camry V6 is out of place in that list so is a newish Rav4.
Well your street must be the one that’s keeping big cars alive. Because the sales figures would indicate other streets are opting for the mid size or compact car.
And absolutely no mention of a crummer in that lot , and only a couple of sedans , large sedans are on the nose joeR , get over it, its history .
nice holden, those opel astra tail lights look great
Back is a huge improvement, but front looks even more chintzy than the ve with malibu inspired touches and cheap chrome, side view is very ve
Of course the side view is very VE. It’s still a VE body! One might complain that the VY side is very VT as well. I’m impressed and surprised at what Holden have pulled off on a comparatively minuscule budget to most global nameplates.
I was a bit nervous that they’d stuff up the VE’s great looks when they showed the NASCAR but obviously that is never going to be a great indication of the real thing.I’d definitely consider a Calais V. It will be interesting to see the rest of the range but that is one very good looking car. It gives the 300 more than a run for its money and makes the Aurion look about 10 years old.
Wait for the hero cars later on, SS and above. I am sure it will retain the mean sporty grille as they always do. Wonder what HSV can do with it!
Pictures of the SS are already available on You tube
Just like every golf in the last 10 years looks the same…
this article is nothing about any golf or vw, why are people so abscessed with vw? probably because deep down they know how good they are!
No I think abscessed was correct.
Abcessed is that the new model ab roller that’s being sold on the home shopping network…
Do they sell cams and mafless tunes for ls on there.
yep, typical GM dash, ala Malibu and others, Malibu front, bonnet, headlights and grill. Opel tail lights and Malibu boot lid and Opel tail lights (?). Guess we can see where this is going in 2017
Like the new rear end sort of looks like the new Mazda 6 from the back …and that’s a great looking car
I was thinking the rear end was a mix of Cruze, Volt and 2014 Vette taillights.
ugly, opel opel insignia rear with new chevy impala interior
^^^drives a Kia rondo^^^
“Lbucce” have you ever even seen the Chevy Impala interior! it looks nothing like it.
Frankly it mimics all GM interiors. Buick and Chev. (Which is to be expected if they want to slot it into a model line) Not a lot of creativity there.
well it is a GM product , so has a GM interior.
why is that a problem?
how’s lack of imagination? The only thing here that no other Australian car has is heads up. But you expect exaggeration with launches
So the people that created those parts that are used on other models in the U.S. that Holden are applying to their VF are not creative? Say what….Your dribble is flooding the site.
Someone give this dude a tissue
They say they have borrowed from the Chevy parts bin and
have tried to have similar style interiors, so look at the new chevy impala
interior and see the similarities. Like Audi!
The Commodore finally has class, well done Holden!
Commodore will never have class, this one may be classier than the outgoing model, which isn’t hard but will never be classy. Bogans will still flock to it b
Why would I purchase an Audi or Bmw when their prices are ridiculously expensive and their servicing costs are out of this world for just a Car! Their solid build is all they have going for them to be honest. They looks bore me and they performance per $ is laughable.
It is near on impossible to compare anything locally made to the likes of Audi or BMW….As an owner of a locally built V8 performance car and a 2013 VW Passat I can tell you that once you spend time in the euro builds you come to see how stone-age our locally built vehicles really are.
It is a shame and I hate to say it….but aussies have got nothing on the europeans when it comes to building cars. You are comparing companies that spend Holden’s yearly earnings on r&d monthly….money goes a long way to creating good cars and Holden/GM simply can not compete.
For 60k there is already a plethora of cars on the market with the same technology, performance and much higher overall quality than the VF…that isnt even released yet!
I would strongly suggest actually driving some current Audi’s, BMW, VW etc before talking them down in comparison to a commodore of all things.
60k for the same performance in a large sedan.. show me.
I’m not concerned about technology as long as it’s used in the driveability and performance arena of the vehicle. These techi little gadgets don’t do a thing for me. I’m a driver, a real driver, someone that drives manual, not auto. I own a 2007 ve ssv which I use as my work and family but have the 2010 Maloo in the garage for weekends, once the exhaust is modified, engine tuned, specifically to 98 octane and Tien Coilovers installed. Bmw and Audi have nothing on HSV for price compared to performance. I spend my money carefully and know when I see a bargain. Hsv consistently offer that. that’s why they’re a huge seller in the large car performance market along with Holden. You think I have not drivin an Audi? I have and I’m not that impressed. That’s the thing, your comparing a 130,000 vehicle against a Holden Omega and you think it’s fair? sorry but I have to disagree. You seriously don’t know how close Holden are to the like to Audi and Bmw until you’ve taken it out on the track.
Yet despite all the money VeeDud spend on R&D they still can’t seem to built a car that will last the warranty without major faults. Even Ankie Whatshername has admitted VeeDud need to work on their reliability.
You don’t have class m8 and you think your Hyundai is helping?
Limpy….. what can I say, you obviously don’t spend enough time on this site as everyone knows I drive a European car and sold Euro cars.
Nice, still keeps its identity and definitely looks more upmarket than the outgoing model…
Great stuff. Very good fuel economy for size.
Wow. The Falcon has no chance now. This Commodore has far exceeded my expectations.
idiot, Ford can takes its time with the update, it comes out after this so can move it even further foward, its the dunnydore that will be screwed
If Falcon had more global support, perhaps, but it doesn’t. The Commodore will live on long after the Falcon’s demise in 2016.
You never know, these last of model cars usually signal what’s coming. Ford have to make some radical changes to get the EVOS look they are promising.
Radical changes alright, how about a shutdown in Australia. Is that radical enough for ya? pwhaha
You’re right and wrong, the Commodore name will live on, the Falcon name will also live on.
Don’t you know what Holden is planning for 2016? A new engine, drivetrain and so on. Ford have no chance and at the prices that Holden and HSV dish out their cars neither will any other manufacturer in the large car department.
I’m very impressed. All Falcon need to do is try try try to make something that is only slightly better and then they’ll be bankrupt.
GM and chrysler went bankrupt. Ford were fine. If they were to go bankrupt as you are guessing then they would only then be equal to your beloved boat anchor manufacturer. Government Motors.
Just like the VY, the new lights and bootlid clash with the old body shape.
Exactly, good analogy. but when the bucks aren’t there for a total redesign this will have to do. It’s still around, so buy it while it is. We’ll all be looking back through rose tinted glasses in a few years time.
Spot on, but really what else where u expecting?
Good to see im not the only one that thinks the rear doesnt flow.
For me Holden havent built a decent looking rear end on a sedan here for a long time, and that includes the Cruze too.
This looks too Malibu in the rear and also reminds me of the 90’s Taurus.
The VE lights were too high and aquare and looked like they were an after thought cut in.
The VY era looked odd also, very Magna-esc
The VS commodore was they last car they got with a rear end that didnt look out of place
The Cruze also looks weird. They they slap a nice looking rear hatch on it to make the front look weird…
I like the look of the rear. However you’re right, Holden aren’t very good at doing the rump. The changes to the VY was principally about aerodynamics. The VT was the last decent rear in my books.
Holden does it again, the Australian car industry is alive and well.
Might want to ease up on the superlatives until the first year’s sales figures are in.
I like the front, but the rear does nothing for me. Something doesn’t seem right but I can’t put my finger on it. Will have to wait till I see one in person (and a base model) to make a proper assessment.
I agree with you, I think the back boot area looks a little short. But overall, looks great.
same here, I have an ve ssv and the rear looks way better than the vf’s. I think after I see the ss or F series HSV’s I might change my mind then. So far the technology does’nt impress me as I’m a real drive, I prefer quality in drive and performance over techi gadgets and comfort. For me as long as it’s big and goes faster than nearly all cars on the road I’m a happy chappy. My ssv is tuned to 325kw, same as stock 2012 Hsv clubby and probably with be on par with an vf ssv too haha.
love it:) well done Holden once again hope it a winner
Thank The Lord they finally moved the power window switches to the drivers door …
Why? The power window controls are better placed in the centre console because this way, the same hand that is used to shift gears, switch A/C on or off, adjust most other controls on the dash is the same hand that is used to operate the windows.
Controls that are tucked half way down the door are not convenient from an accessibility point of view.
Thats the seventies man , much easier on the door .
Have 2 cars, one each way, and on the doors is my preference.The right hand is less occupied (in the car) just with indicators. And everyone knows indicating is optional.
Very true plus when you have an electric handbrake, you don´t wantüpeople fidling around while drive, pulling up switches near the handbrake. Much better on the door except when you open the window and water pours in…
My new car has an electric handbrake and I love it . I wonder why it took manufacturers so long to get rid of those awful mechanical jobs that always need adjusting at the next service.
It is in the centre console and can’t be engaged whilst the vehicle is in drive! I only have to flick it up with my finger to engage it and as soon as I put the car in drive it disengages.
No problemo !
who cares, adapt and move on!
Nothing like a bit of apathy, eh?
Your so right, I thank the engineer’s and designers or Holden for putting the power window controls in the centre. I can actually take corners at high speed with my right hand whilst I adjust the thermostat and change radio stations haha. it’s a godsend.
Thanks, you’re welcome.
I’d like to see the base models. Not everybody can afford the 45k or more for the Calais models.
My biggest disappointment with the VE was the Omega. I’d like to see what they did to the VF Omega.
Yeah I didn’t really like the omega either….just spend a little more and get an sv6
Look to the right, run out 36990, base will probably be in the 40s, and the calaise shown usually around the 60s. But you go out in your best suit to meet some one new, right?
Front and back looks very much inspired by the Opel Insignia,looks good…
Oh wow Holden. They’ve really stepped it up for the local industry and in my opinion, the feature set, value, performance and fuel economy will give any ither imported vehicle a huge run for their money.
Well done Holden!
They made it more feminine looking… the blokes will love that LOL!
Yep, this one’s for the ladies – it even parks itself LOL!
I’m disappointed with it really, in this day and age I would of thought the chev badges and southern cross would come standard!
A half-baked re-hash of a 2007 dinosaur, with outdated engines and gearboxes is suddenly the messiah of the local car industry? Pah!This car is world class if the world is entirely defined as the space inside the Holden factory.
But just watch the Aussie car media gush over this car, watch them do comparison tests with a 5-series, A6 and an E-Class and claim its a better car, and watch it win COTY based not on merit but on pressure to prop up the local industry and fear of losing advertising revenue.
Bottom line – its mutton, and its past it’s used by date. Do not eat!
anyone with 4 bogan names should be creaming over this
Very well put. The current euphoria of sucking Holden’s you know what, will settle eventually. I think deep down they realize what it is, just won’t admit it. This car is a pre-curser to Malibu. the idea is to soften everyone up to the questionable design already rejected by the US population.
It can’t make Wheels car of the year, it’s not a new car. Face lifts don’t qualify. The people who rake money in from ads, well … that’s another story. Though I think Hyundai, or Kia will make it here.
I think this will be eligible, because the turret has been modified. BA was eligible depsite being a MCE, where as VY didn’t alter enough.
There has been NO alteration to the turret
Looks like it has, the C-pillar seems to terminate much higher than before. But I’ll stand corrected if wrong.
That’s true. but it’s only a cosmetic sheet metal change. Not a major structural change.
Bla bla bla are you not finished with your dribble? I’d like to see your car make it up a hill lols Maybe at gravity hill
I’ll eat it and then deposit it all over your windscreen as I burn past you in my new F series HSV 😛
Go ahead and pay the big bux you greedy mule. Since you want the latest gadgets as soon as they’re available, at a high price mind you, you can have em. I for one purchase vehicles intending to keep them for more than 5 to 8 years. Unlike the modern hip society figures today who change vehicles like pants. That generation will never own a home and will be either living at moms n dads or renting their entire lives. I laugh at them when it’s time to pay the rent. 😛
TGWS,what engines and gearboxes are they using in the VF.You seem to know something the general public don’t know.?????
Looks good. Can’t wait to see the SS. Don’t like the antenna, it’s just like the one on my wife’s 2004 corolla. Should have gone the shark fin antenna like bmw. Wonder if it would retrofit? head up display is great, and they finally got rid of that ugly steering wheel!!??
You can buy the shark fin after market.
Great, get to spend extra money on aftermarket parts.
the trolls have slept in this morning.
we’ll get a good laugh at their ridiculous insane comments on the new commodore when they crawl out from the dirt
Maybe they are just lost for words…
I was too busy vomiting for a while. I’m okay now, but if I catch another look…
That brown stuff on your chin isn’t vomit.
No that would be a piece of the car!
He eats the car he loves it so much?
He was referring to his mirror re catching another look.
Old is New again see a lot of other marques here ?
I may be a Ford fan but I am impressed. Love the speedo on glass and all the other options. The weight-saving measures sound good. Sounds like theyve jumped ahead of the Euro or Asian offerings in many respects. Id like to see the fuel economy.
I’ll still be buying the 2014 Falcon either way :^)
How are they ahead?
Does Camry or the Hyundai offerings have HUD? I wouldnt know, perhaps time to visit their websites and find out.
I know some of the Toyota’s use HUD. Have used them for a good 7-10yrs. It’s been more in the Prius than anything else. The last Prius I drove was the V.
Didn’t think much of the HUD to be honest. Was good, but like most things on cars now days, it’s more of a novelty than a necessity. Don’t get me wrong, it’s helpful, but it’s not something to write home about.
the upper Camry and Aurion might have it. I was just thinking about it. HUD could in fact be more distracting in a car if people are focusing on it. Might only be an early ownership issue, but still.
Nissan Bluebird had HUD like 20 years ago, all seems cool until you find out how much the replacent windscreen cost!
Obviously there is a digital device that projects it onto the windscreen. Just like the auto headlights on the ve. It sensors day/night. You would only get that on a Ford.
I feel for you. It’s ok… there there lols
Would not surprize me if said made in Korea
Well, the interior does have a made in Korea look about it. There is an overuse of fake chrome accents in the interior design.
Some parts are. like the oil dipstick on the Ve commodore l98 engine.
What’s with the auto parkng thing, just another responsibility taken from the driver and a further decline in driver standards of the future.
Just like ABS ESP and seat belts…..honestly when will it end, real drivers are in Ford Model T’s,
Hmm. Am a bit sold, but tbh, it still looks a bit awkward from certain angles. I guess I’ll have to let it grow on me. The interior is a big step forward.
Where’s the rear led taillights? It would have look hot if it had tail lights smiliar to bmw with the red lines going from one side to the other
No powertrain difference , they should make direct inject standard for the whole range.
I don’t think People are’t going to buy it because its fuel comsuption will remain 11 liters per 100kms
Unless you get the 3.0 liter engine yeah but no improvements to proformance
From the astetic point of view it still looks dated
And you can see the dash matrials look cheapy plastic
Mate Looks like a big fail to me
Where is the ‘base’ Commodore?I want to see it.
Of course the top model Calais will look the best.I wonder if the SS is going to look as
rubbish as the current model.
I’m sorry but the current model is one of the best looking cars on the road.
I agree, it’s very well balanced design. Nicely sophisticated and a hint of aggression.
Sportswagon puts most/all other wagons to shame when it comes to looks
I think you need to visit opsm .com .au mate… Far from the best look car on the road!!
Nothing beats your Hyundai yeah?
Great launch today Holden and massive improvement. Look forward to seeing the rest of the range, I am ready to buy….
Looks pretty good inside and out…. but those engines and trannies are woeful. No update to the mechanicals = fail.
Totally agree robin wheres the 4 cyl petrol , diesel , turbo 6 , smooth tranny .
I recon that will be the series2 upgrade Robin.As the Vf looses some momentum the Opel V6 will be a good move.
Also not much talk about Holdens and Fords new Lpg systems.
It’s not likely the will be a series two of a face lift. Possible I guess, but unlikely.
There is always a series 2 of a new model.
so what about the new 5.5L direct injection V8 thats going in?? they have also promised better fuel efficiency ,and i would’ t call the current 6.0L woeful. seeing they haven,t state the anything about the new drive trains whilst they have promised better fuel efficiency your comment is about as good as gooffloopers comments…..useless
promises promises – What do you consider economical?
for a car this size if you can return under 9L to the hundred combined cycle and some where around 7.5 on the highway i think it would be fine. besides the cost of fuel is only a tiny cost of owning a car. Fact is the cost to run a big roomy current model sv6 commodore is the same as a little VW passat (passats are actually only slighty larger then a cruze aswell, please do your research before commenting….)
You are the one that should be doing research, if you know what the word means. See below:-
I think you’d be dreaming in relation to consistent economy of even 9l/100. As for your comment on the Passat, check out the numbers Passat Length = 4771 Commodore Length = 4882
Passat Width = 1820 Commodore Width = 1899
Passat Hight = 1516 Commodore Hight = 1480
Passat and Commodore are in the same size class
Commodore fuel consumption 12.4/100
Passat fuel consumption 7.2/100
A Cruze by the way, is bigger than a Commodore VB. You can’t go by sight when you have no spatial awareness, like you.
while i was slightly off with the length,cruze L=4629, W=1797,H=1477,height is basicly invalid, 2 cm wider is nothing and 13cm longer with a front end that hangs out like a ibis beak, u still think its in the same class as a commodore hmmm. The commodore fuel consumption is 9.1L, the 12.4 refers to lpg at almost half the price, per km, works out to be basicly the same price as the passat, well done holden much bigger car same fuel costs (lets not forget better reliability from the holden, cheaper services and spare parts that are significantly cheaper) while i said under 9 would be good the current one at 9.1L i think under 9 should be achievable. i also realize the cruze is bigger than the VB just like the current yaris is basicly the same as a carolla from the late 80’s. While being slightly incorrect on one minor fact, Im informed well enough
Don’t put Pussat against a Holden or HSV you dimwitted fool. How dare you. Pussat is luxury sedan. Jesus someone hand me something. Holdens come in various editons to suit different buyers with different intentions on using the vehicle. v6’s with definately be hitting the 6/100 litre mark and v8’s will be doing 9/100 atleast. Current ls3’s run in the 12.3L/100km
Look you pare of dim witted idiots, you made the claim that the Passat was no where near as big as the Commodore and I proved you wrong with actual measurements. you coming back with Cruze measurements only proves that the Cruze isn’t a small car either. The fuel consumption is for a petrol V8 idiot. fantasise all you want they are the facts.
a v8 that runs 8.0L/100km city to freeway use.
Rubbish , gas guzzler cannot get even close to that figure , try 12+L , what were you doing 60kmh on the freeway .
They havent said anything because they havent done anything. Putting direct injection into a 2v pushrod engine is like putting lipstick on a gorilla.
To my understanding the Holdens and HSV’s will be running a supercharged 6.2 L v8 which “might” be hitting 420kw to combat Ford’s Coyote engine. It’s so called competitor or soon to not be.
Holden might also go with the Cadillac CTS’s 237kW v6
The jury’s still out with this car. For me the VF just doesn’t look Australian anymore, it’s truly become the international citizen which is a good and bad thing. I loved the VE straight away when I saw it, this one is going to take a while for me
A lot of people have been saying the same thing about it being ‘Unaustralian’ and it’s quite frankly one of the worst opinions ever. The VB was criticised for being Unaustralian at it’s launch. The VT was ‘too European’ when it came out. Australians clearly refuse to see that the ‘Australian car’ has always been a mixture of different countries’ styles.
Well this is true, other than the current Falcon
When was the first Australian designed Holden anyway? I thought it was the HD which stood for Holden Design.
It definitely wouldn’t be the HD, a.k.a “Horribly Designed”. According to the documentary ‘Wide Open Road’ it was a Yank who was responsible for the extended front fenders on that car, just for the sake of increasing its overall length by a few inches.
This will be the last Holden i buy if it goes to 4 cyl and front wheel drive which will mean the beggining of the end for Holden
Exterior wise, not bad, an improvement, but i think the front end could have been a lot more sharper and aggressive, at the moment its a bit too generic.I like the interior though – the best aspect of this car. I’ve also got to admit, I think Holden make some of the nicest OEM wheels.
Im really looking forward to seeing this car in the flesh. No doubt it’ll be at AIMS this year.
Those new colours sound interesting, esp. that dark green one. That would be my pick.
the real fact is that a stock standard fg xt 2008 with just a 5 speed auto running ron91 fuel can demolish any V6 commodore ever including this one. the fact is that falcon has a lot more torque everywhere across the rpm range including a lot more mid range punch.
when you run any petrol falcon fg you get 208kW and 420Nm of torque on ron98 fuels. The mere fact that even now an aging fg g6e is a better package than this very new vf model is a shame and considerable tragedy for holden.
it is also embarrassing to see idiots in their brand new ve red zeries sv6 crappadores losing at the lights from some mal-maintained fg xt from 08 or 010. The worst case scenario is that these new commodores have no performance in them at all. Just some fancy new technology that nobody is going to utilise not even several times in the cars life time.
go get yourself a G6E 2009 or something for a dozen grand used or a G6E turbo for under twenty grand.
It is a tragedy 345Nm and 210kW on premium, very disappointing! where the new FH Falcon is looking at 438Nm 215kW for 2014! shame! ah ha ha ha ha ha!
I’ve seen v6 commodores run 8 second passes.
Ive seen ford anglias run 6 second passes. Your point?
With original engines? Your point?
An original engine v6 crummydore doing 8’s? I want some of the drugs you are on. All that’s left would be the original block filled with grout. Any car could do that with enough cash thrown at it. Why someone would choose that boatanchor to begin with is beyond me. RB30 is a much smarter choice. Even a 2jz or ford i6. Plenty of au engines in 8 sec cars.
I guess you haven’t heard of the Buick grand national then…no one bothers with ford v8s anymore apart from basic bolt on mods.
Pro – There are plenty of equivalent events for Ford only and combined, so what? There are also plenty of mods coming on stream for the Fords as well. But lets face it, any modern engine is going to be limited to injectors, chip and exhaust pipe. All those have to meet stringent pollution laws.
Yep seen grand nationals years ago… bit like a seppo equivalent of the vl turbo but lamer. Seppos didnt really have much choice for local boosted 6’s
Good to see the dear old Anglia mentioned in an article about the Commodore. And here’s me thinking the Falcon was it’s rival. Silly me. The next Commodore will need a reverse angle rear window to compete.
The drivelines havent moved on much so maybe its a good matchup. Cant really imagine the weazely’s driving a VS tho, too many teeth.
That’s why no bothers modding the latest ford v8…go down to your local street meet and see how many show up ,its almost as bad as the boss v8 what a dud that was.
Dohc engines are harder to modify than pushrod boat anchors. Thats why most ford modders choose the xr6 turbo. That high tech stuff is a bit beyond the average holden knuckle dragger.
Oh god, please leave. Not another stupid Ford fanatic P plater who thinks his xr6 is the leader in high performance sedans. Did you purchase a cold air intake for your v6 yet? or maybe some sports mufflers ? lols uttter joke.
So it’s obvious you aren’t an Australian or in Australia. I take it you are a GM stooge of some sort. Either or you’re 8. You don’t even know what engine is what.
Just represents what we all knew , the bogan is alive and well , but his vehicle of choice is under threat .
Holden have a huge problem on their hands malabore production in the US has been shut down again , prices slashed and a rushed facelift is in the wings , total flop .
Come 2016 something has to go , down sized crummer on the caddyshak floor pan will be smaller than the malabore , where to now jeeves .
Yes very true, it’s not going to be a Commodore as they knew it. More like a Holden version of the Corona. Wait a minute, they tried that already.
What a mongrel that was. Descrated the toyota badge with a clunky starfire ‘misfire’. Even the camira engine put out twice as much as that lump. Only useful part was the conrods for bogans with 186 or 202.
Finished having a go at your sister?? Have you done your daily ritual of trying (but failing) to do skids on the driveway? Spilled VB on the seats? Go away adults are talking .
This Commodore looks great, well done Holden.
I wish it also came with the option of a diesel, turbo 2.8 V6 or even a tubo 4. A split fold rear seat would have been welcome on the Sedan. The wagon should also come with the option of integrated rear seats, to offer an alternative to some of the other 7 seaters
well done GM holden
Good work resisting the temptation of putting over the top daytime running lights on the front.
Yeah these drls look properly integrated. The ve ones looked like something straight out of Supercheap.
VE didnt have DRL’s on any model. Only HSV did and Holden have nothing to do with that.
They built the chasis…
Yet it looked disgusting, regardless.
I want to hear no comments about how much coverage Kia or Hyundai get… Five or six articles on every Australian site about Commodore VF… However, a (surprisingly) improved effort from Holden, and I’m sure there will be many on the roads in the next few years…
Don’t worry, all will be back to normal soon, with Hyundai and Kia. this is just a little interruption.
No diesel. When will Aussie manufacturers learn?
The Cruze and Territory are available in diesel mate. Why would they even bother with a diesel? They wouldn’t sell many
Why would they not sell many exactly? Of the BMW, Audi and Mercedes sedans sold in Australia, diesel models are hugely popular and make up a large portion of sales. If they managed to stick a decent diesel in it, it would sell like hotcakes.
Diesel vehicles wreak when your driving behind one.
We don’t know powertrain options yet, but regardless I highly doubt any diesel, which I don’t care for but the market might.
When diesel is 25c a litre cheaper than it is
People are iver going to love it or hate it just like any car on the market, no car is prefect at all, but at the end of the day Australian car manufacturer are trying to make cars that people do want and make world class cars, good on you Holden looking forward for the days to come of the reveal of the ssv, Caprice and Hsv line up.
Except they aren’t. They keep churning out these large, fuel-heavy cars which are great performance-wise but are just not what the market wants. I guess there is the Cruze but really…a re-badged Daewoo is the best they can do? It’s not a horrible car, the SRI-V is quite nice, but it is still not competitive with others in the segment.
If they Ford and Holden read the market better and moved to a small-mid car from the ground up rather than keeping the Falcon/Commodore on life support, they may have been better placed. But it’s kinda too little, too late with the offerings they are supplying at the moment.
Plus I think people are getting tired with their tax money continually floating Ford/Holden up. “But every government supports their car industry” I hear them cry…yes, but those manufacturers have read the market but shifting to great quality small/medium cars which are affordable (Read: Korea) and what the market wants rather than propping up old dinosaurs which have no future (Read: Yep…Holden and Ford).
I am never a fan of Commodore but I got to admit this new generation is a massive improvement over the predecessor and it looks damn good…especially the interior of this Calais.
How can a
country full of so many red necks be home to such a prodigious car manufacturer?
Holden you continue to excel in spite of the fact that our home grown motorists
have lost the plot. Sadly I too have recently purchased a Diesel Territory after near a
lifetime of owning great Holden’s. I guess I succumbed to the whole SUV is better virus.
Blah! It is to put it simply, a huge disappointment. My first car was a 15 year
old 1973 Valiant Charger and I can tell you its front end suspension had less
knocks and bangs than this Ford Territory does new! Even after a second new driver’s
side electric window motor has been fitted, I am still unable to wind down my
window. I gave Ford a go and they failed dismally. My 2011 SV Sportwagon was a
joy to drive. Spirited, lively, surefooted and comfortable. Alas if only I
could get it back I would hand over this clunky, wallowing, sluggish Diesel
Territory in a heartbeat. I hope they survive but the writing is on the wall.
But I’d rather drive the Territory or preferably an FG Falcon than any of the
Japanese offerings. In my view we are blessed in Australia with two of the best
large rear wheel drive cars produced anywhere in the world (1. Commodore, 2.
Falcon). Yet we turn our backs on these local hero’s, in favour of poorly built
substandard offerings from afar.
The VF is a
very mature and sexy looking vehicle that exudes class from every poor. Like
all Commodores it will be a driver’s car. Built Aussie tough. Be careful what
you wish for Australia, if we don’t support Holden and Ford, we may all be
driving bland, Hybrid-ised vacuum cleaners like Camry, Prius or the long list
of SUV’s that in reality are the biggest false economy that modern man has been
Get stuck in!
Agree wholeheartedly. I drive an SSV Wagon and am amazed that more people dont drive them. Its a true drivers car, excellent handling, immense power yet super practical in every way. Its bigger internally than any SUV, drives like a sports sedan with a thumping v8 and looks hot as hell. Cheap as chips to maintain and easy to fix. The occasional noise from the door seals are the only fault but I know $120k S4 Audis that rattle too. We are so fortunate to have access to these cars, we’ve only ever had Commodores in our family, currently running 3 VEs and will be ordering a VF this year I suspect. Holden produce world class quality drivers cars with thumping V8s combined with practicality and the VF is yet another example of that. Awesome stuff.
Such a warm fuzzy story , my heart bleeds , sorry no one is listening its still a big overweight old tech juice sucker thats past its time , the world has changed .
If you are so worried about technology and fuel saving, sell your Golf and get a bicycle. Your Golf is ancient compared to those. Carbon fibre, electronic gear shifting – extreme light weight, aero wheels.
I’ve got one of those and a 3.6L DI Holden. The fuel economy is quite reasonable for the size and performance of the Holden.
You get more kudos being really fit and riding a bicycle than you do sitting in your mundane and boring Golf in the traffic.
Better ditch the old tech fuel guzzling crummerdore and ride the bike permanently
With the amount of BS you talk on here, you should be a politician
you were probably one of those kids that played with dolls instead of cars.. keep your poofy euro hatchback
Na i was into guns , lugers etc , the other kids played with goats .
Ha ha ha goats!!!!, good one, I have a newfound respect now I know you we’re Dirty Harry with your guns, wow your a badboy
I wasn’t a sicko like the other boys, I used to shoot the goats before I gave them a good hump, the dirty buggers. Much easier when they stay still
Gary floppy back with your filth , easy to lure you in .
One thing I know how to do is lure men
Ahhh you’re killing me. Best laugh in ages .Goats ROFL. Thanks mate.
What do you drive then? Be honest now no dribble.
I live very far from you Davo . I don’t associate with incest and skids, much of which are your favourite pastimes.
You would have test driven it. I’m sure the salesman didn’t hold a gun to your head. Why did you buy it if you don’t like it.
lol. you are calling us ‘red necks’ when a: you can’t spell b: your name is LOL LS1 King: C: you owned a Valiant Charger.
Don’t get me wrong i love valiant chargers and agree with what you are saying. but take it easy on the ‘red neck’ comments.
I know, the term Red neck and Bogan are terms that are used by the very people they’re describing. There’s a few muppets in here that have used that term regarding Holden owners and it’s just so narrow minded. As I’m mentioned before in another post. How can a redneck or bogan own a fuel guzzling v8 at the price of 70,000 dollars.
You should stop sampling the meth you are selling.
I bought a second hand ssv sedan 2008. 120,000km now and all I had to replace was the harmonic balancer.. can’t beat that. Currently have my weekend LS3 Maloo which I will never part with unless HSV release their supercharged 6.2L v8
For me the Territory is an ugly car. But then again the entire reason I absolutely hate SUV’s is because they block the view at 2 way roundabouts or when I’m trying to reverse a Holden Sedan. Each to their own really but that’s what the wagon is for. Keep em lean and treat em keen I say.
LOL and the Maloo is a looker? It has bonnets scoops & a fat bogan body kit that serve no function (there’s no intercooler LMAO) only to turn an atrocious barge into a sin against humanity. And to top it off, HSV knowing how bogans like you have a desperate need for attention fit ‘Christmas edition’ DRLs courtesy of Super Cheap Auto..or did you glue them on and go “she’ll be right mate”. Seriously, you need help, get your eyes checked and stop smelling the paint thinner .
All you BONEHEAD Holdens fans worried about is it out selling the Falcon, its got to out sell all the other cars on the market which are cheaper ,better quality ,have more features and are more appealing to the new age Australian .Bye Bye Holden Australia.
Looks like all the asian cars. Holden dropped the ball. They need something to combat the turbo falcon.
Electronic Park brake on all models is a fail. SS should still have a proper handbrake. Hopefully they haven’t stuffed up what has been good t/c and stability calibration (as is Falcon). Time and test driving will tell.
I doubt very many Commodore owners, even SS owners would be doing handbrake turns. An electronic brake saves space, and arguably looks better to most people.
Not sure if anyone has already said it, but those rims are almost identical to G6E 19’s
Agreed, more precisely; 50th Anniversary G6E 19’s.
It’s from the HSV Senator you fools.
Looks quite good, but that old school aerial is a distraction.
This isn’t Holden styling. This is what big daddy GM wanted it to look like. It looks ok, I’m not overly impressed though. Same V6? So now it’s a slug with bling.
more than just a little bit of Chrysler Crossfire in the front end, especially around the grill and headlights
Don’t like the back or look of interior. Looks like Holden has taken a bit of different car designs from it’s overseas models….Commodore has an identity dilemma. Now this is out the way, looking forward to seeing 2014 Falcon. And yes I just wrote this to piss Holden fans off with their typical Falcon is dead remarks….pathetic really!
Ahh this car is not designed to compete directly with the Falcon…this car is designed to compete with a onslaught of imports plus with export deals in place it needs to be competing on a global scale, Holden need to think global not just “what are Ford doing with the Falcon”…and they have done that…the current Falcon is miles behind the VF and i’m a “Ford” man….and I don’t care…
It’s Aussies vs the imports and we are losing…
I’m concerned the sports models are going to be classy over aggressive which will be a shame, but lets wait and see…
No, it’s not a world car, it is an American car. Always has been. It is designed to fit into the US product line. It’s job is to sell in the US, Australia is an after thought. Interior trim headlights tail lights every part of it is designed for America by Americans. If you don’t believe me, have a look at Buick and Chev cars, it slots right in. That’s it’s job.
Great looking car. Major upgrade to the interior. Can’t wait to see the rest of the range. The only problems is – they need to make it available for sale right now!
Obviously got the front end design cues from the new Chysler 300C, which has been selling sales from them. Unfortunately the days of commodores and falcons are over. There are just too many other good cars out there. Why would you buy a mid-speced commodore for just over $40k when you can get a VW passat for that money? Smarter technology, better built, safer, euro badge and better resale…
I considered the SRT-8 until I found out the servicing repair/servicing and insurance costs on them. A lot of people don’t consider all these costs until they’re hit with them after they purchase the car. I would’nt buy a Passat, heard a lot horror stories about the electrics. The VW’s are also expensive to maintain. Just wait until you have an electrical problem and you’ll see lols.
You say better built? How? Holden and Ford use high tech gadgets to build their vehicles and put a lot of work in the solid structure. There’s hardly a difference unless your looking at the interior. That’s different but so is the $60,000 price increase for the badge.
Smarter technology? So you want your techno gadgets now and pay a high price now rather than wait 3 to 5 years and get it then? Those who wait reap the rewards.
Safer? Euro 5 Star is the same as Australian 5 star ratings. Shakes head in disbelief.
Better resale? Yeah, sure the Euro vehicles are, mainly because there’s not as many on the road like Holden’s.
Price for performance is reason a lot of large car owners purchase Holdens. It just cannot be beaten.
well the commodore is significantly larger( passats are only slightly bigger than a cruze). Passats are front wheel drive and boring to drive, the smarter tech regularly fails, the shell may be better built but tha,ts pretty much where it stops, other components and electrics come from all over the world from some one who will make them cheap hence their bad reliability. as for the euro badge, anyone with half a brain knows that that is just a badge and thats it and resale well you need to find a person to buy one first. so really a passat should be compared to a honda accord or something similar not a commodore……
don’t wanna dampern spirits but the people have already voted these big sedans out.The flavour of the season(decade) are suv’s and its here to stay for a while. I myself bought a falcon because we didn’t get any suv that had a ride as comfy as a sedan under 37k when I was shopping. I wonder how many people yaying for the commy will actually buy one? paper tigers,thats all! BTW where the price tag? I couldn’t find one? aren’t falcodores being culled by 2016? People don’t want them,they have to go..however good or bad they are. Times up,and life goes on.
Commodores are here to stay for another 2 generations. So when your sitting at the lights and a red ssv or Hsv flyby you, don’t be shocked 😛
Not as you know, bet you’ll like you 4 cylinder FWD Commodore.
For me, apart from not wanting a large car, it comes down to price. I was considering a Cruze Sri-V but I got a Hyundai Elantra Premium because it had all the features I wanted except GPS, had a MUCH better transmission, better warranty, cheaper servicing but most of all had a 8k price difference.
I’m not really interested if Aussie manufacturers can’t pass on savings due to costs, wages etc. If they aren’t competitive on price, I rather just purchase a Korean or Japanese brand, especially if the quality is similar or even better.
I couldn’t wait to see the knockers comments. As per usual you were up to your usual standards of garbage statements, so I was not disappointed. Why is it anything that is produced in Australia is not up to standard, and has to be written up with an acid pen (or keyboard)? I see someone wrote that a VW Passat has better resale??? I own a MY12 VW Passat and from the moment I drove it off the showroom floor, it dropped $20,000, not bad for “better resale” Do not make statements that do not match reality. Euro badge is for elite minds only, and 5 star safety is 5 star safety, so where is the Euro 5 star better than the Australian 5 star safety? I am bewildered by such a statement, but then I am by most of the drivel that is on this place.
Red book passat 66%, crummerdore 55% , so your better off with the passat .
Except if you want the extra acreage
They are the same size
your dreaming….passats aren,t even as big as a camry let alone a commodore
Re you blind or stupid or both? Look at the measurements! Just because you eyes can’t perceive it doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
I love it how insecure people like you have to constantly put others down
guess im not blind or stupid….
Come on really? 5 mm. You do realize that’s nothing in the greater scheme of things. The same as 44 mm In the old money you are talking about 1/4 of an inch, and just under 2 inches. That can be the bump for a number plate it’s nothing.
so you insulted me for no reason. I know its not much, but i was,correct, was’t I
i guess that puts the passat between the cruze and camry… no where as big as a commodore. Right?
“no where as big as a commodore” your words, I wrote they are in the same size class. Which doesn’t mean the exact same size. The difference in dimensions is a 1/4′ and 4″ in the old money, above you put quote “no where near” unquote. That seems pretty near to me.
if the car is smaller than a camry, admittedly only by a little bit and the camry is in a class below the commodore how can it be in the same class as a commodore??
Yes if your fat the crummer is the car 3 fat bogans easily in the back , and as OZ guys just keep getting fatter there is a case for this car , marketing should seriously take this on board .
But once the warranty runs out the VeeDud is a ticking time-bomb. Only the very brave would take a gamble on a clunk-o-rama equipped Pus-sat out of warranty worth zero.
More myths from able seaman nemo , you should write fiction you have such a vivid imagination , those years in the back of aunties VW beetle with the flat four throb must have been misery for you .
REDBOOK is a joke (just like you) and I proved it with the sale of my Sportage. It’s a dealer’s guide and not worth 2 bob (just like you again)
I sold for 78% of purchase price after two years (yes moron a KIA) .Redbook said $28,000-$31,000 which is what caresales use and carsguide use another system which said $31,000 to $34,000 .I sold close to the high end of the latter and fielded enquiries from Melbourne ,Adelaide ,Sydney and the Gold Coast with 3 people fighting to buy it at the end (two from interstate). Check the history on Carelsales for proof Flogmonster.
The people who bought it ditched an Audi Q7 just after being hit with a service that including adjusting the timing chain (or belt) for $3800 and two new tyres at $900 each. Veedud are the same with their upspec vehicles (A rip off)!
Redbook doesn’t allow for demand of the vehicle and no-one on earth would fly half way across Australia to buy a veedud yet two were prepared to do so for a “wobbly handling” (as you call them) Kia Sportage!
Oh and the car was faultless the entire two years which is something VAG seem to fail badly at. I’d take a two year old crummer over a two year old Passat any day. The VAG is simply too big a risk at the end of that 3rd year!
You must have got the most gullible people in the world to by a numb steering slow sportage for over 34,000!!
No. The buyer’s name was NOT Zaccy16 !
Meanwhile the vehicle was a diesel which you clearly have never driven. They are hardly slow you peanut!
HE wont tell us what he replaced it with , bit embarrassed i suppose , back trade to Getz , more wobbles .
Ahhhh, sold the Kia have we? Realised the rubbish you bought?
The car was fantastic .But as you asked I only keep my cars for a couple of years for tax reasons .
Rubbish , you burnt a hole in your pocket , for tax reasons less than 3 years is a loss and big time .
You need a new accountant .
But that’s not all you need.
Obviously not happy with sportage , two years , must have been some ugly problems rearing up , so sorry , better luck with your new crummerdore .
It was a sportage not a Veedud you fool. Not a single issue.
…..and your tax comment elsewhere is evidence you need a new accountant. But then they don’t usually tax the dole do they?
Any fool who sells a car in the first 3 years burns cash , get a CPA not a book keeper slumguard .
Oh it was the lure of juliars $5000 up front rebate , more fool you , still a burner , you need to move out of the bush , bad advice .
Euro badge is for elite minded only??? dont you mean a mind that thinks its elite…. Euro cars are no better than the rest of the worlds offerings, its just australians are so stupid to pay some of their prices people think they are elite
Are you sure you have an elite mind after buying a Passats that loses 20k after 1 day????
Amazing, I cannot use the word S.N.O.B. but I can use the wording elite minds. Amazing stuff indeed
You can see the GM influence. Looks like an updated sebring.
Aside from your complete inability to see that a Sebring looks nothing like this car, the Sebring is a Chrysler and has nothing to do with GM at all.
i see big changes to the boot area in the vf, and it almost seems like they have shortened it up a bit. certainly changes to the bootlid.
Toyota Aurion engine in this body would be good
Ferrari engine would be even better!
looks just like a volkswagen passat with a Hofmeister kink
Wonder if there will be any new engines in the line up
Any powertrain enhancements with this new version?
I for one cannot wait what Holden and HSV have in store for us consumers. I thank them for staying in Australia and I intend to put my money where my mouth is and purchase HSV in 2015 if all goes well.
Yes, 15 more bonnets scoops for no apparent reason, puke yellow paint as standard, 14 mufflers & 8 Supercheap Auto DRLs, Yeah mate!!
Call it naysaying or whatever. But over the last 3 years, i have personal knowledge and access to 5 SS commodores, and a mate owned a SS ute. The ones i had access to were work cars. The mate, treated his ute like a baby, looked after it exceedingly well, had oil changed correctly etc. etc. His car ended up virtually having the whole engine rebuilt. That was among the usual (from what I’ve seen over the years with VE) problems with the audio/trip controls on the steering wheel, along with air conditioning problems. As for the work cars. radiator issues with one, 4 harmonic balancers (two on one vehicle), and all with the audio/trip problems on the steering wheels. Holden service technicians, “It’s just one of those things”, air conditioning issues. And as others have said over the years, the ZF 6 speed would go much better than the 6 speed auto Holden uses.
Now out of several people I know that own VW’s, which include Tiguan, Passat, Golf and Scirroco, not a single issue as yet. The scirroco obviously is still young, but the Tiguan and Passat are several years old. No DSG issues, or anything else for that matter. Of course they are serviced on time and the proper fuel used.
I would be very reluctant to buy a Holden based on my experiences with them at work, and on the experiences of those I know who have owned them. The only redeeming features I see with Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon is that for the money, and compared to similar sized and purposed front drivers, they really can’t be touched for handling on country roads, including dirt. Take a Camry or Aurion for example on a dirt road and the stability control and intrusive traction hamper progress. Falcon and Commodore allow proper progress without unnecessary intrusion.
If Holden could improve the reliabilty of the engines, air conitioning and electrics as mentioned I may consider one. I’ve had japanese cars over the years with air conditioning far superior to what is in the VE (as but one example). I hope some changes have been made to VF.
Zaccy is in trouble. Huwtm is the new spam king and has his eye on being No1 .
what ever happened to our cars. this looks like a Hyundai or Honda not a commodore, what happened to our VY or VZ. commodores used to look mean, holden is just following ford down hill, this is hard to see and im a ford man holden should go back to VZ and start again and ford should go back to the BA or even my beloved Ef and just try again. we want beasts not i 45s
Wait till the EVOS style Fords get here, that’ll give you your aggressive look.
Yes, let’s go back to 10 year old designs that were average when they came out. What Hyundai or Honda are you talking about? Thank God you aren’t in charge of styling at Holden. ‘Commodore’s used to look mean’ – How can you say that when you’ve only seen the luxury Calais version. The SS hasn’t been released yet.
Agree with many here regarding looks, will have to wait to see it in the flesh but based on pics, it reminds me of euro car, with a korean rear end. Does not look aussie or tough at all. Interior looks nice but looks more japanese. The only thing that’s great with a capital G is the features list, which I’m glad Holden nailed!
Can’t wait to see what Ford has for the next Falcon, but sadly due to media perception and all, the next Falcon is going to struggle no matter how good looking or feature packed it is.
Can’t agree with most of what you write. I saw an Epica yesterday, guess what the front looks like. The interior is modern, AMERICAN. Nothing really wrong there but get it right. Features, Toys? Some are positives already available on a variety of Australian made and imported FORDS. Even though the GM, would have you believe other wise. HUD and side view reversing (which is a good thing) are all that’s new for Australian cars.
I don’t see the Falcon struggling. We know what the design is going to be like and it walks all over Holden. It already has more features including better engines. A fresh face will make a lot of difference.
Loving that this is the last Crummerdore.
I think eight times out of ten the idiot tailgaiting you is driving one of these bogan boxes.
So, all the Australian engineers and workers should lose their jobs because the people who drive their car’s annoy you. And why are you people so immature that you can’t write the car’s name properly? It’s not even an insulting name. Besides, it’s not the last one.
If you think this is the last Commodore, I hate (love) to break it to you…
Last one in this configuration. FWD 4 cylinder next time.
That’s just an assumption you’ve made, just like people were assuming it was going to be game over after the VF. I had doubts myself.
Nope, came out of the general managers mouth when a TV reporter asked him about the future of the Commodore. A rough quote is it will be sourced from GM’s overseas line up and be 4 cylinder and FWD.
No need for doubts, the Commodore as you know is finished.
If that was true it would most likely be all over these sorts of sites. Do you remember any details? (which channel, program etc.)
It was a news update. Can’t remember the channel at this point, but may have been 9
I was nervous about this upgrade, the VE was a good looking design and those teaser images and NASCAR looked terrible, so it was a huge relief to see it. My first though was Insignia, than 5 series (from the rear 3/4 view). It is very European, the VE looked very unique, so it’s a bit of a shame to loose some of that Australianess’ about it. But ultimately it looks good which is the most important thing. However when you go back and look at an Insignia it looks very plain.
To all those who say ‘The Falcon will smash this’, I hope you’re right. So the next Commodore can out do the Falcon again, the competition is good for both of them.It’s so silly of people to be commenting on the build quality, refinement and engine/tranny of a vehicle that not only hasn’t been built yet, we don’t even know what engines will be in it!
Also seen to see the aero and fuel economy numbers.
To be honest I was initially surprised so many people liked the interior, but it’s really growing on me. Kudos to Holden for completely redoing it, rather than just changing a few small pieces. All this new tech is the right was to go to combat the silly image that large cars are low tech. As much as I dislike self park, I can see how smaller people are intimidated by it. My only potential concern is the electric handbrake, how to you do a hill start in a manual?
Ultimately considering they didn’t have the resources to make an all new (smaller) car, this major update seems very well executed. Interesting times ahead, over to you Ford.
I can see this selling as an Opel Omega. Watch this space.
Never happen, they already have a big car.
Finally a captiva sedan
This forum has been reduced to a Holden Bagfest. I suggest the haters take a hike and let the lion king roll his ball down up the mountain. If you don’t understand that term you need to be re-educated.
“down up the hill” God you’re hopeless.
To Robin_Graves’s comment… Ford v8’s can’t be modified because their makers don’t want them to be. Meaning there’s an entire aftermarket industry itching at Ford’s feet yet the training nor the know how is there. Who wants to modify a v6? maybe a P plater? lols
There is an entire league of dimwit Ford fans pecking at the feet of the king of the hill. It’s a total disgrace to see so many Ford fans dribbling away about their famous American brand which is about to see it’s demise. Fair well Ford, you won’t be missed. Well maybe by the mother club’s…
You know who you are you Territory drivers.
Lets give it a nissan front and a mazda back. Public wont know what hit em!
Hi, my name is Stimpy77au, but my real name is David ‘Dinko’ Dinkum. I love my 2007 VE SSV Commodore a lot! In fact sometime when not a lot of people are around I like to stick my little frankfurt into the exhaust and I get my partner Barry or ‘Bazza’ (who drives a SV6 Crummerdo-Commodore) to give the SS a couple of big revs. It gets me off every time and puts a big wide smile on my face!
I’m really excited about the new VF Crumme-Commordore and I hope the exhaust is small enough so I can fit my tiny frankfurt inside no problem. Hopefully with all that new technology in the care, the revving will get my rocks off!
Daewoo, no wait – GM – hold on, Holden 4EVAAAAAA!
It is a good looking car and I am a Ford man! To all the Holden people saying this will kill the Falcon…you are right. But just remember this is the last 6/8 cyl rwd Commodore you will see. Holden are going back to the 80’s and putting a 4 potter in 2016.
Lots of comments, popular car
It looks like the old Ford Falcon.
This quote came from US Autopro:
“That’s because the car it’s based on, the VF-series Holden Commodore, is scheduled to be replaced by an all-new model in 2016.
While the Commodore name will live on, the next car it’s used on may no longer feature rear-wheel drive.
This means the SS may not have a direct replacement, giving it a shelf life of only two to three years.”
For all those that thought I was the only one talking about the fact that Commodore would most likely end up FWD. This story is from an interview with Mike Deveraux and Mark Reuss
This should come as no surprise to anyone note this quote from the same article:
“The information was revealed by Holden boss Mike Devereux during a recent interview with CarsGuide.”
I have just purchased this vehicle. At night there is a flashing on the windscreen which is driving me crazy. Does anyone know what this would be please.
Your heads up display. Problem not set up properly or malfunctioning. Should show speed etc.
What’s that supposed to mean?? Did I personally attack you?
At rough guess Wayne, I’d say it’s more directed at your pathetic Holden comments.!