Why oh why does it need to be automatic only?! I’d go the M3 everyday solely for the purpose of ordering a Manual.
My current line of work allows me to drive some pretty capable machines, all automatics… and I’m currently itching to buy myself a cheaper manual toy to enjoy on weekends.
Come on Audi – give us another manual!! Your last RS4 is becoming a halo (has anyone seen the used prices?!), which gives you an indication that people are still happy to buy a capable machine in manual…
Try and hold onto manuals Tex, but you might be pushing a the crap cart uphill. Unfortunatley everyones trending away from them, you might even find that the new M3 will be an auto only soon.
I think you will find the C63 has a 6.2l V8 which is 2l more than the 4.2 in the RS5 not 1.8l as stated.
Audi stuffed up somewhere with the RS5. It’s almost forgotten about when compared to the M3 & C63. The B7 RS4 was widely lauded yet the RS5 failed to build on that momentum. In isolation it is a glorious car yet when you bring its two competitors into the mix it seems to fade into the background. A shame really. They look great and sound amazing but in the end I’d take an M3… or a C63 if I needed a wagon (and not the B8 RS4).
My favourite Audi & better looking than the other two, imo.
If you CA guys really want to talk about this segment – then why do you constantly ignore the R35 GT-R – price, performance and 4 seats – it has it all. don’t simply ignore the king of the segment because Euro’s can’t compete in performance.
Because people who buy these cars are looking for more than just performance for price, they are looking fro luxury and brand awareness, GT-Rs are not luxurious because if you wanted luxury and that performance you would need to buy a Porsche.
I dunno about that. Same price bracket, the GTR is a very possible choice, and probably more exclusive than anything zee germans have on offer.
But factor in the comfort of a GT-R, they are not road vehicles (in comparison). I understand the performance is blistering, but people buy these Germans because they are everyday cars which can be thrashed around a track. This isnt the same as the Nissan, and the experience the same you need to go to Germany again for the Porsche 911 Turbo.
Whilst none of these cars would be cheap to run, i hear the GTR is astronomically high
But this is not a luxo barges segment – this segment is 180K – coupe – 2+2′s – high performance sports cars. Anybody looking at this segment would also consider R35, not just the three Europeans. also, plenty of R35′s are daily drivers – and if you want exclusivity R35 is IT. You would never confuse R35 with a Tiida, but you can very easily confuse M3 with 320.
You see that is the flaw with your argument, nobody would confuse an R8 with an A1. But the R8 isnt based off the A1. In the beemer’s case, the M3 IS based off the 3 Series, you buy it knowing that you are buying the pinnacle of what the 3 series has to offer; so you know you are getting luxury and the practicality of the 3 series along with excellent performance. As goes with the A5-RS5. The GT-R does in no way compete with this car because they are in a very different class, for starters the 350 GT barely sells and the R35 isnt a comfortable daily drive, just like the GT3. These cars are designed for the track, unlike the RS5, M3 and C63 which have track pedigree but ultimately luxury performance coupes. Your principle is flawed because what you are saying is that the CL500 should compete with a GT-R because they are both 2 doors and 4 seats and over 180k (well over in the case of the merc).
M4 will fix that similarity Oliver.
You fanboys always say ANYBODY looking at this price bracket… that’s way off. I certainly wouldn’t even consider a GT-R. Why? Because they are a fast track car and that’s it. The everyday value, the quality, the design and the look and feel are no where near a European rival. RS5, M3, C63 and lots of others anyday over a GT-R.
You’re just one step up from all the P-Plater ricers who drive their 30 year old GT-Rs and think they are the best thing in the world.
FYI, they aren’t, just like the new GT-R.
They ignore it because away from the track it’s a dud.
Heavy steering, harsh ride and noisy.
Not a daily driver.
Drove one 280km round trip to the track in California last year.
Great on the track but tiresome on the road.
As an all rounder it just can’t compete with the TTRS, M3, 911 etc.
different kinds of cars, though. You can actually fit people into the back of the AMG/M3/RS5. The TT has no back seat, the GTR/911/XK have no real ability to have people in the back.
Yeah, not the TTRS, meant the RS5.
my local taxi wants it seats back – could the drab grey look any more boring?
Audi offer interiors in a range of different colors and trims.
When the M3 and C63 finally go AWD, this is toast.
I’ll have the M4 thanks very much. A bit more flare and I think it’ll be a better car. In reference to the M4. This is the first test I’ve seen which seems to think the Audi could have an advantage in some areas. But each to their own.
For me the looks shout BORING in comparison to BMW and Merc.
And I would never have it because it is AWD .
But yep would be great for the ski slopes and when parked does not scream “steal me I am a weapon”.
Whoever chose the grey interior for the promo car should be shown the door.
If you think this looks boring you better check your pulse.
I checked my pulse and I did not move.
But when I checked the price my pulse started racing.
One of the nicest designs to ever come out of Germany IMO
Ironic that it was designed by an Italian (Walter de Silva), but yes it is a very, very nice looker.
The M3 Pure Edition announced a few days ago seems like better value, even if its the last of the run
Why are the Germans so overpriced? $170k?! It will barely outrun a Lexus ISF which is $50k cheaper, and that’s already overpriced as it is.
Because no one wants a toyota with a V8?
SAYS WHO? I would rather a ISF anyday over this, 170k for a AUDI it will be worth $60k in 12months! AUDI are by far the worst resale out of all the luxury brands.
Look on carsales, they’re definitely not $60k in 12 months, try $140-150k. But if you can tell me where to find a 12 month old RS5 for $60k, please tell me!
Just like no one wants a VW with a V8
I do and cannot wait for the touareg R release next month!!
The Lexus would be the pick on the second hand market..
Such a great car but 170k? The depreciation would make me cry myself to sleep every night. Then again, these cars arent pitched at people like me who cant even afford them in my dreams.
I’d have this over an M3. Sounds better, moar powerrrrr, looks better, heaps nicer inside.
Can anyone on this forum actually afford this car?
I can, but $170k after tax is around $238k after tax. We all love our cars, but seriously dumb to pay that kind of money on something that will cost $80k in 12 months time. I’d rather buy an investment property.
Bah sorry I meant to say $238k before tax. Imagine putting that money into super and using that to invest.
Well I spend a little too much on cars (though $150K was the most) but what you have missed is that (first) you cant actually just put $238K into Super in any year, it would take years to do that, and second, you generally lease a car like this or do a chattel mortgage facility (which are running at rates around 5.6% at the moment for 4 years 30% balloon) so you are paying probably $3K per month tops, also get the GST back upfront (if chattel mortgage) to a limit. So your cash is still sitting there to put into super or invest, then you have the deductible lease payment/interest + depreciation. All of which simply makes the pain a little less and can be used to justify doing what your heart is for and your head is against. And even though I’m no great audi fan - I think that the interiors are awful but I love the exteriors in charcoal or black – the A5s actually hold their value OK, I’d have thought it would be worth $120K after a year, maybe $80K after 3.
Actually, you are allowed to put up to 150k per year as non-concessional contributions if oyu are working and under 65 years of age. (i.e from your own money that you have already paid tax on) Additionally there is a bring forward rule which lets you put two more years worth in, in one go, so you can put up to 450k in, in one year. This is in addition to the 25k limit on the 9% SCG your employer can put in before extra penalty.
PS I am studying Superannuation at the moment so its my business to know!
Well explained peter .
My God, that wouldn’t be Peter Spann would it?
The price is inclusive of Luxury Car Tax. The 170k is simply missing on roads, not tax. We never quote prices without luxury car tax.
Ahh sorry I meant to say to get $170k, you need to earn $230k (income tax).
Gee, you can include the tax but you can’t get the retail price? That’s a worry. Let me suggest something, seeing sellers have to display an all inclusive price, if it’s to much trouble to cover the majority of states, pick the most expensive state and put a disclaimer. At least then people would have some idea before they head to the show room. It would educate people too.
Depends what you call afford I guess. I thought Kyle Sandilands could afford to drive a Rolls Royce until I leaned that he had a massive loan on it and it was sending him broke. People like to keep up with the Joneses but what they dont realise is,most of the time, the Joneses are broke and are drowning in debt.
Car is not worth 160k, + with 20k on the clock will have dropped 60k plus.
I felt nervous in an M3 knowing someone with a modded WRX/EVO etc. can beat me at the lights. When I’m in the GTR I felt invincible
Stick to your Commodore.
Discussing “at the lights” and mentioning a GT-R proves you will never “fit” with this car.
What car do you drive JJ? Guess you never know what it like to own one of these?. I’m talking “at the lights” looser.
how did you feel on the speedhump? did you hit the roof? the centre console looks all nice and plastic too! I bet you felt great knowing that straight line speed is everything and that those modded WRXs belong to people who cant afford to buy an M3
Ridiculous comment, a WRX will beat an M3 around any corner, all day, any day, thanks to it’s drive system and balance. Stick to looking at expensive badges if you don’t have anything sensible to say, Beemer’s are built to an excellent finish standard, engineering is superb mostly, except for a few brain farts here and there (ask X3 owners about Siemen’s shift solenoids), but there are japanese cars that are brilliant when measured against the criteria of handling, speed, etc. The nissan GTR comes to mind here. I personally love mercs/beemers etc, but also respect cars that out perform others, irrespective of badge.
Around a track the closer price comparison would be the 135i not the M3.
Unless it’s wet the 135i would win.
The GTR is in another stratosphere… and so is the price.
Is that passenger seat all the way back because that ain’t much legroom.
The exhaust tips are what makes this car look good. Quad tips on audis don’t look great. The refresh looks perfect.
Looks like a good car, and of course has its down sides like any other in its class, but $60k or $80k after a year?
Obviously its too hard for people using this site to open another window and do a search. Why do they just make figures up? Perhaps to back their blind love for the M3 or AMG (both excellent cars by the way)!
There are RS5′s from 2010 going for around $120k in recent months, So it’s not all bad it seems on the depreciation, but many of us will not be able to afford this car even when employing mortgaging tricks and tax offsets.
We can dream though…
Have one. Love it in a most guttural way. And it DOES have a rear view camera…