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Akio Toyoda named next president for Toyota

By Matt Brogan |

Akio Toyoda, scion of Toyota’s founding family, will now become its next president as the manufacturer struggles against the global economic crisis.

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Toyoda, 53, will succeed current president Katsuaki Watanabe in June to become the youngest president in the company’s history.

An affable motor racing fan Toyoda hopes to rescue the national icon and said he hopes to someday be seen as the flag that rallied a corporate comeback.

In the meantime, the Toyoda heir will inject an international outlook into the company having being educated in the US. Given the company’s overseas operations, including the United States, now account for most of its sales and are contributing to the first operating loss in 70 years, Toyota is tapping its dynastic roots for new direction in uncharted waters.

“Innovative and youthful ideas will be required.” Toyota Chairman Fujio Cho said, “We need a new generation to make bold change and reform.”

Indeed, today’s Toyota would be unrecognisable to Akio’s grandfather Kiichiro, who founded the car maker in 1937, or his father Shoichiro, himself a president from 1981 to 1992.

Akio Toyoda will be the first Toyoda to become president since 1995, when his uncle Tatsuro Toyoda stepped down but must yet be formally approved for the position at a June board meeting. Mr Watanabe will then become vice chairman.


 
  • Wheelnut

    According to an article on Autoblog Even though former Toyota President Katsuaki Watanabe recently made a commitment to F1 for at least the next 5 years….the new president [and great grandson of Toyotas foduner] Akio Toyoda is thinking about pulling out of F1 by the end of they year if their F1 tema don’t manage to secure their first race victory – as the article says

    If Toyota can’t score its first race win this year, the bean counters might have no choice but to follow fellow Japanese automaker Honda and pull out of the sport altogether.

    Particularly as Toyota has a reputation around the Formula One paddock for having the biggest budget with the least results..

  • http://australiancaradvice J.J.T.

    Wheelnut – Parts of your comment and the source for your statement (autoblog) is infact grossly incorrect.

    Toyota stated at the beginning of last season (2008) that if the team does not improve then they will consider pulling the plug and just so happen to be … Toyota’s F1 team had a much improved season.

    Toyota ‘DID NOT’ say they have to win to stay in the game, they infact stated the team must improve to secure ongoing commitment and correct me if i am wrong (don’t bother, i’m not) but in the light of the current economic woes – Toyota just very recently publically confirmed thier ongoing commitment to F1 and continued development of the LF-A.

    Has Toyota invested alot of money … YES – that is correct and historically they have also struggled for consistancy but judging by their much improved season in 2008 i would like to believe we will see better seasons to come from them yet, and we will.

    As for Akio Toyoda, the man has a reputation (so i am lead to believe from various articles / stories i have read about the guy) for being a motor-racing enthusiast (petrol head) and has a history of racing himself so he just might aswell turn out to be the personality that will shed some of Toyota’s cardigan image … well, i certainly hope so !!

    Apart from that, Akio was also slated as a keen prospect to take the reigns of the Toyota F1 team because of his interests in motorsport.

    Personally – i believe Toyota’s commitment to F1 will stay and hopefully Akio (judging by published articles about him) will steer the company in a moderately different direction alwhile maintaining the very atrributes that has made the company it is today.

  • Wheelnut

    Quote: Toyota ‘DID NOT’ say they have to win to stay in the game, they infact stated the team must improve to secure ongoing commitment and correct me if i am wrong (don’t bother, i’m not)…. Toyota just very recently publically confirmed their ongoing commitment to F1

    Sorry to tell you this but you are wrong…

    Yes Toyota did make a commitment to F1 However; that announcement was made by Watanabe [the former president of Toyota] a couple of months ago..
    yet his replacement Aiko Toyoda may decide to pull out of F1.. particularly if it results in yet another Loss for Toyota not only on the grid but on the bottom line as well

    There have been a number of announcements in relation to certain areas of the auto industry where certain projects etc have been on again off again. So who are you to say that Watanabes decision to stay in F1 won’t be reversed either

  • Wheelnut

    Akio Toyoda is a Car Enthusiast and a Moorsport fan.. so too is Bob Lutz; Mark Reuss; Alan Mullaly as are I expect most of the CEOs of the other major Car Companies around the world.. BMW Porsche Merc-Benz etc.

    In general a company tends to perform better if the CEO not has an interest in the company but has also worked his way up through the ranks of the company.. which could be another reason why GM are in so much trouble ATM.

    However; they are all businessmen first and foremost therefore; their primary respnsibility is to do whatever is necessary to ensure the profitability and survival of the Company… which may mean having to delay the release of a new “performance” car [Supra] or pull out of Motorsport.

  • http://australiancaradvice J.J.T.

    Wheelnut – your comments are WRONG … PERIOD !!

    Yes, Toyota’s F1 has been pressured to performed better then they have to remain in the competition but pressure that they ‘MUST’ win is inaccurate and any statement otherwise is bluntantly incorrect.

    As for another loss for Toyota … F1 has not been a loss but admittedly a stronger challenge then anticipated and last year they finished 5th from an original field of 11 teams of which 10 completed the year and that placed Toyota mid-field … that is not a loss !!

    As for Akio Toyota, he has infact risen through the ranks and most certainly not handed the position to him on a platter … completely the opposite to be factual.

    And for his passion towards motorsport, that is arguably exactly what Toyota as a corporation requires and i reserve little doubt he will prove good for the company for as long as he maintains the basics that has made the company it is today.

    As a anti-Toyota lobbist that you clearly are, you should stop allowing your ‘wishes’ to blurr the actual truth of circumstances which all to often leads to comments from your yourself that are – quite frankly … WRONG !!

    Basically fella, don’t distort the facts and just tell it the way it is and not the way you like to interpret every headline on Toyota.

    As for Toyota’s commitment to motorsport, let me advice you on something … they are commited to F1 and they are commited to NASCAR but admittedly i wish i had the same confidance in thier commitment towards local racing in Australia.

    What i find diturbing about you Wheelnut and that is even when you are bluntantly wrong, you still persist with inaccurate information just to save face – how sad !!!!!

    Take my reply as nothing more then constructive critism – it does all of us good from time to time.

  • http://australiancaradvice J.J.T.

    Oh yeah … Bob Lutz, Allan Mullaly and Mark Reuss are all HODS of companies that are financially poorly positioned.

    Akio however, will become the HOD of the worlds wealthiest car company although historically conservative.

  • Wheelnut

    My comments in relation to Toyota pulling out of F1 aren’t WRONG because as Toyota are still in F1 it all depends on how their performance in the upcoming season goes.. that is all..

    I mean the auto industry is full of rumour and speculation we wil have to wait and see but given the current economic climate a number of manufacturers are reviewing their current and future projects etc

  • Wheelnut

    Quote: F1 has not been a loss but admittedly a stronger challenge then anticipated and last year they finished 5th from an original field of 11 teams of which 10 completed the year and that placed Toyota mid-field … that is not a loss !!

    Aaahh nobody remembers or particularly cares about who came second in any competition or race particularly one with such a profile as F1.. As Stirling Moss said show me someone who comes second and I will show you a loser.

    I don’t want Toyota to pull out of F1 I admire them for giving it a go However; F1 is a business just like building cars.
    There comes a time when you have to assess the situation and decide whether or not you’re getting a good enough return on your investment.
    What have you achieved and what have you learend from it.
    Is it economically viable to continue or should you cut your losses [pardon the pun] and look elsewhere.. Rally perhaps?…. Toyota are simply weighing up their options.

    If Toyota do pull out of F1 – at the end of the year it will become even more Boring than it is now given that:
    Its either MclLaren 1st Ferrari 2nd [or vice versa] &
    on average less than half the field actually finish a race
    [unlike V8s]

  • http://australiancaradvice J.J.T.

    Wheelnut – spruck what ever crap you desire as you are very good at it but my comment stands firm … PERIOD !!

    Alot of rot comments floats from your direction but fortunately that is about all it is … ROT !!

    As for that wacky sh*t from Sterling Moss, if you want to believe in such crap then by all means blow your mind out but seriously dude … have a look at your comments, they’re downright dumb

    ps. who came second in the V8SC series last year or the Australian New Car Sales Statistics … i bet you remember those without a flurry. So much for the fairy land stuff you base your life on.

    The world really is full of some very weird people !!!!

  • Wheelnut

    JJT – Remember this- Just because you: don’t read about it.. didn’t read about it.. haven’t read about it.. or hear about it.. or even seen it.. doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen.. that it wouldn’t happen.. that it couldn’t happen.. or it won’t happen.

    No matter what you care to think or believe it could still happen that is of course unless you are Akio Toyoda

  • http://australiancaradvice J.J.T.

    Wheelnut – the report from Autoblog stated thier source from ‘some reports’ without any indication or referance as most ‘reputatable’ articles tend to link themselves with.

    After searching (googling) the net, it comes as a co-incident that i am unable to find any other source / referance bar thier original statement some time back.

    Gee wiz … i wonder why !!

    And to conclude this speculation … time will be the only true judge.

    ps. i wish Toyota the best of luck in thier F1 endevours, good to see them participating in the most technical automotive sport of all.

    Cheers

  • http://australiancaradvice J.J.T.

    Wheelnut – who came 2nd in the V8SC series and Australian New Car Sales last year (2008) ….. ?????

  • http://australiancaradvice J.J.T.

    Wheelnut – as you are a self confessed Holden supporter, you would know the answers to my questions so i guess there is no need to go any further.

    So much for Stirling Moss haaa !!

    Didn’t take much to put that to rest, or yourself for that matter.

  • Wheelnut

    I admit Holden Lost the championship this year but at least they have remained competitive.. not to mention unlike Toyota they have actually won races…. and on the occassions when a Holden didnt win they were on the podium at least – more than Toyota

    Sure V8 Supercars mightn’t be as High profile as F1 but there are more cars on the track to contend with 30 in V8s as opposed to 12 in F1 [4-6 towards the end of the race].

    Holden Lost but it wasnt such a costly loss as it was for Toyota was it?

  • Wheelnut

    Besides Holden still produces Australia’s most popular selling car [as they have done for 13 odd years] despite Toyota’s claims that the game has changed..

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    Fact- Toyota world richest car manufacturer.

    Fact- Toyota been in F1 for 6 years

    Fact- Toyota has had 123 races

    Fact- Toyota still yet to win a race.

    Fact- Toyota pole positions in 6 years, 2

    Fact-Toyota finished 5th in the Championship in 2008.

    So much for Stirling Moss ha ? Fact Stirling Moss has been named NO 1 driver in a recent book “The Top 100 F1 drivers of all time” you want to know who came second J.J.T ? Well I guess you’ll have to buy the book ,me I dont care !

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    On another note J.J.T “Happy Australia Day mate”……flying that Ozzie flag high on your Toyota today ?

  • Wheelnut

    12 cara 18 cars…. seriously dude who cares? its still less than the number of cars in V8 Supercars [and even NASCAR] and more V8s still manage to finish a race

    If F1 is so much better than V8s or nascar How come their aren’t more manufacturers teams wanting to enter F1?

  • Wheelnut

    V8 Supercars isn’t limited to just Ford and Holden…. any manufacturer can enter the competition provided they meet the criteria [same as in F1]
    As it is at the moment Ford and Holden are the only 2 manufacturers who meet the criteria.
    Toyota have had several opportunities to compete in V8s but refused to do so.. mainly because AVESCO refused to make the changes to the rules that Toyota wanted.

  • Wheelnut

    JJT – its obvious that you are unable to understand or comprehend peoples comments.. because I didn’t say that:
    Toyota HAVE Pulled out of F1 [past tense]
    Toyota ARE Pulling out of F1 [present tense]
    Toyota WILL pull out of F1 [future tense]

    what I said was that Toyota MIGHT pull out of F1. The final decision hasn’t been made yet it all depends on how they go in 09 – only time will tell.

    But I believe now that they have a CEO who is a car enthusiast and a motorsport fan and not just some academic from Harvard they should do well.

  • http://australiancaradvice J.J.T.

    Wheelnut – why do you bother commenting on subjects that you clearly do not have an understanding off, which quite frankly happens to be quite a number of subjects may i add.

    In the 1st tier (Sprint Cup) and 2nd Tier (Nationwide) of NASCAR, 43 cars line up at every meeting (although that may be less in 2009 because of the current economic bite) and that number is often derived from more entrants (often up to 50) of which only 43 are finalised from the top 43 qualifying times.

    Seriously dude, you really do need to suss out your information more correctly because lets be honest, you simply get so much wrong.

    Just in the past few comments alone you haven’t been able to correctly tell me how many teams or cars start in F1 and the same went for NASCAR.

    Oh yeah – and what makes it even more embarrassing for the American trio, despite the fact that far less Toyota’s started in the Sprint Cup and Nationwide Series last year, they still single handly inflicted the most damage … gee wiz !!

    ps. it is obviuos you are unable to comprehend getting many of your statements even remotely correct !!

  • http://australiancaradvice J.J.T.

    Wheelnut – there are more teams in F1 then V8SC, NASCAR and probably even WRC !!

    Have a think about what you write for once before shooting-off like a loose canon just to make a monkey out of yourself.

    Here is a challenge for you, try … for once – to get even some of your info in the ball park atleast.

  • Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

    THE FACT was J.J.T aka DINGO! wasn’t your argument all about F1,typical Toyota lover when you lose in an argument you change the subject totally!

    Quote Fact “* fact – Toyota is the worlds wealthiest car manufacturer” {Corrected your spelling Dingo !}

    Yet even with that money they cant win in the EPITOME of Motor Sports………F1 ! As it took them 20 years to come up with something to compete against the M3 {IS-F} wonder how long it may take them to have a win ?

    Toyota make cars for plebs and Lexus copy the Germans { well try to}….NUFF said

  • Wheelnut

    FACT until Akio Toyoda makes a decision in relation to Toyotas future in F1 it is NOT a FACT – merly speculation [which the Auto industry is full of] therefore; the source which I referred to in my initial comment [autoblog] isnt WRONG.

    Wata-Nob made the decioson to stay in F1 but Akio may decide to reverse that decision.

    However; given Toyotas performance record in F1 and the money they have spent in F1 over the last 8 years… Even you DINGo would have to say that it looks fairly likely that they will pull out

  • http://australiancaradvice J.J.T.

    Wheelnut & Bavarian – enjoy the rest of your Auastralia Day, i hope it was good.

    I’m outta here to spend some time with the kiddies before thier bed time.

    Cheers and have a good night !!

  • Wheelnut

    DINGO – Maybe the reason you were unable to find another source apart from Autoblog saying that Toyota might pull out of F1 at the end of the upcoming 09 season is because as history has shown us.. if there are any negative reports in relation to Toyota you simply choose to ignore them; then launch into a tirade of personal attacks and insults.
    Because it appears that you are unable to accept that Toyota might not be as successful or superior as you like to believe not to mention immune to the problems experienced by other car companies in the real world.

    As I said Just because you: don’t read about it.. didn’t read about it.. haven’t read about it.. or hear about it.. or even seen it.. doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen.. that it wouldn’t happen.. that it couldn’t happen.. or it won’t happen.

    No matter what you care to think or believe it could still happen – at this stage the only person who really knows is Akio Toyoda hismelf

    The thing is Toyotas F1 team may improve but if Ferrari and McLaren make similar or greater improvements it could still mean no F1 Victories or Podiums which could signal the end for them in F1.

  • Dadd

    BM

    Just wondering where Ayrton Senna came in the top 100 – for me he was the greatest driver of the modern era – untouchable in the wet.

  • Andrew M

    Dingo….
    FACT…..in terms of racing
    Toyota bought their way into Nascar. (they didnt create the team)

    FACT…..in terms of sales
    The commodore is still the number one seller in this country despite toyotas massive efforts to knock it off.

    Fact…..in terms of your facts
    half of what you stated was a double up of what you had already stated or covered in one of the others

    now that it has been serious with “FACTS”…..
    how about a “LAUGH”
    LAUGH…..QUOTE……..
    fact – Toyota ‘arguably’ engineers the highest quality vehicles in the world (Lexus)

  • http://australiancaradvice J.J.T.

    Andrew – FACT … Toyota has not purchased any team, they simply offer a racing package (engines and technical support) and teams came onboard.

    There is no exchange to purchase teams, teams align themselves to what they consider to be the more worthwhile package and it just happens to be that an increasing amount of teams in NASCAR are making the switch.

    As for the Commodore, Toyota hasn’t made a massive effort to knock the Commodore of it’s pedistal, they just simply offer an alternative of which is quite frankly a better package in more avenues then not.

    Lexus … well, they are ‘arguably’ the highest quality motor vehicloes in the world !!

  • Andrew M

    Dingo,

    WRONG, it toyota didnt offer reasonable financials, Gibbs wouldnt have swung.
    FACT…..Gibbs was dominating even before he swung to toyota.

    WRONG, toyota is trying their little backsides off to secure market share. Im not just talking about the Aurion being able to knock the commodore off, but not one single toyota model has been able to do it. the corolla and Hilux which sell in buckets more than the aurion havent been able to take the commodores sales crown.

    WRONG, Lexus are far from being renowned for engineering quality vehicles.
    Their engines and handling to name a couple are not exactlly the best displays of quality engineering on our roads.
    you are only basing your “Quality” claim based on a consumer survey.

    FACT…..surveys are opinion based and reflect emotions of the participants. So in short, surveys dont contain any real fact

  • http://australiancaradvice J.J.T.

    Andrew W – WRONG … Gibbs had infact become disruntled with Chevrolet for a couple of year prior because they began playing second fiddle to fellow GM team – Hendricks Motorsport – and when Toyota offered them an attractive racing package they took it. They had not performed to well in the later stages with Chevrolet then they had in the past.

    And guess what … they co-incidentally performed stronger in thier first season with Toyota then they had for many years with Chevrolet.

    Facts is fella, Joe Gibbs Racing had become disgruntled with GM … PERIOD!!

    And another point, a steadily increasing amount of teams are now making the switch to TRD engines and judging by Toyota’s perfromnace in such a short time in NASCAR – i can understand why !!

    As for our other discussion … Holden outsells Toyota in 2 segments –

    * Large cars
    * performance (HSV) … don’t ever be so stupid enouht to compare any HSV with the IS-F though

    Now here is a list of what Toyota outsells Holden in

    * light cars
    * small cars
    * medium cars
    * light SUV’s
    * medium SUV’s
    * large SUV’s
    * 4×4′s
    * commercials
    * luxury (Lexus)

    No matter how you look at it, Toyota outsold Holden by a massive 108 000 units in 2008 and secured nearly 25% of the market single handly. Add Lexus, Hino and the handful of TRD’s to that figure and it will tip beyond 25%

    Oh yeah – i’m still waiting for Holden to supply this sunburn’t nation of ours a decent 4×4 !!!

    Unlike Toyota, Holden doesn’t have a strong or consistant fleet across the board and without the Commodore they are virtually nothing unlike thier No.1 Japanese counterpart who are strongly competitive in just about every segment.

    Whooping big differance wouldn’t you admit … !!

    and while i’m at it – how much longer do you think the Commodore will remain on top. Judging by statistics released by FCAI, not much longer. In 2008, Holden sold less Commodores then they ever had sense FCAI started recording in 1996 (or was that 1998).

    In 1998, Holden sold 98 000 Commodores compared to 51 000 in 2008 and only 4000 units ahead of the Corolla.

    Gee wiz … that is nearly half the Commodore sales as opposed to this time 10 years ago.

    Check out the trend fella, it’s just a matter of a waiting game for people like myself.

    Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick Tock …..

  • Andrew M

    ok so the commodore drops half its sales, and not one single toyota model can still pip it?? ha ha ha

    as for the rest of what you said, what planet are you on.

    you certainly know how to side step

  • http://australiancaradvice J.J.T.

    2008 Australian New Car Sales Statistics as per FCAI :

    Corolla – 47 000

    * 24 000 private
    * 23 000 fleet

    Commorore – 51 000

    * 13 000 private
    * 38 000 fleet

    Gee Wiz fella, Toyota nearly sold twice as many Corolla’s to the private sector as Holden did Commodore’s

    That trend really has changed. Infact, the game has changed.

    Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick Tock

  • http://australiancaradvice J.J.T.

    Andrew M – i side step nothing fella, you obviuos struggle to comprehend reality but haaa … that ain’t my problem, it’s yours !!

    Toyota brought out no-one, they simply compiled a more attractive racing package and it’s paying dividends.

    Enjoy the rest of your day, i have a life to live.

    ps. Commodore has dropped half it’s sales alwhile the Corolla has doubled it’s own … only time dude – only time !!

    tick tock, tick tock, tick tock

  • Andrew M

    nothings changed,
    commodore has always had a strong compliment of fleet sales.

    not even the corolla is top seller once fleet sales are extracted.
    that argument is really pointless, and is getting old

    The name of the game is moving numbers. The Commodore still moved more numbers. A fleet sale doesnt mean an individual didnt select the vehicle.

    The actual sales number still proves bugger all.
    even if the corolla did sell more, it proves nothing as it is only a mid pack performer compared to its rivals.

    the rule must be that only mid pack performers can occupy the 3 top spots i.e. Commodore, Corolla, Hilux

  • Andrew M

    and what does a competitive racing package include???

    a lot of $$$ behind it

  • http://australiancaradvice J.J.T.

    Andrew – correct me if i am wrong (don’t bother, i’m not) but each and every manufactuer supports thier aligned teams and that DOES NOT mean they are brought out.

    Simple fact is dude, Joe Gibbs Racing made the switch and had a blinder of a season and just like many teams did in the Craftsman Trucks, others are now starting to follow suit in the Sprint Cup and Nationwide.

    Oh yeah – even Marcos Ambrose will be driving Toyota powered cars this year !!

    And the fact that Ford, GM and Dodge had a massive mid-year dummy spit because the TRD powered cars were to powerful / fast just goes to show the American trio all of a sudden didn’t start looking so good when a bit of ‘outside’ competition rocked on thier doorstep.

    Nissan and the GTR shold ring alarm bells with what happened here in oz … all too much a common occurance for the American gang, isn’t it !!

    Instead of investing greater $$$’s and working harder to improve, they just like to take the easy step instead and pull back the competition when they carn’t match ‘em

    As for local Australian sales … don’t forget 5 of the top 10 sales are satisfied by yours truely

    Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick Tock

  • Andrew M

    Who’s saying anyone was “brought” out???
    ha ha ha

  • Wheelnut

    Quote: Andrew – correct me if i am wrong (don’t bother, i’m not) but each and every manufactuer supports thier aligned teams

    Aaaahhh Didn’t Ford make an announcement last year saying that they are going to cut support funding to DJR and 888 Racing..and just Focus [pardon the pun] on FPR and SBR?
    a controversial decisoion which made both Dick Johnson and Roland Dane think about switching camps.. as they would find it hard to survive with less support particularly in terms of [providing and] building the cars

    Roland Dane even said that he would look at racing a Toyota.. however; he then added that would be IF Toyota built a car which meets the current criteria – but unfortunately they don’t”

    Then of course you’ve got the numerous Privateers who still race Holdens and Fords not only in the main game but the support categories but don’t receive any factory support… So JJT you are wrong – again!

  • Wheelnut

    Quote [J.J.T]: As for local Australian sales … don’t forget 5 of the top 10 sales are satisfied by yours truely

    Which type of cars do you manufacture J.J.T?

  • Wheelnut

    As for the Commodore, Toyota hasn’t made a massive effort to knock the Commodore of it’s pedistal, they just simply offer an alternative of which is quite frankly a better package in more avenues

    Inorder to be considered a REAL Alternative its generally accepted that the alternative is a similar design has similar features with similar performance; is built for the same purpose but costs less and is more efficient to run repair and maitain than the more well known more popular model.

    The Corolla is more of an alternative to the Astra not the Commodore – thats why cars are sepperated into classes so people can make more accurate comparisons

    Therefore; the Corolla nor the Aurion are real alternatives to the Commodore as the Corolla a smaller FWD car with less features less power and performance etc then theres the Aurion which is FWD and both Toyotas cost more to repair and maintain [overthe same period of time as a Commodore]

  • Andrew M

    Wheelnut,
    Ford will continue to provide support in terms of chassis/shells etc, its just the monetary support thats being shifted to their focus (pardon the pun) team.

    Holden has also done the same as they recently announced the withdrawl of funding from selected teams.

    I think ford may kick themselves over excluding 888 from the loot though. if there is one team that will turn toyota, its 888, because if there is one team toyota will join its 888.

    Mark my words, if toyota decides to enter, it will be with 888.
    Toyota would want instant results, and a 888 workshop would ensure that regardless of the manufacturer.

    V8sc will adjust the rules as necessary upon submission of a realistic proposal. they arent worried about what technical issues need to be overcome, its just that toyota wanted to walk in and support one team and pump all their money into it giving them an unfair advantage.
    Thats the bit toyota didnt like.

  • Wheelnut

    Thanks for the update Andrew M…. I agree with you they should have continued to support 888 in favour of SBR. I also agree that IF Toyota decide to enter V8s they will target 888.

    However; as Toyota don’t appear to have any plans to build an Australian made RWD Familyt Sedan which would meet the criteria even though they had a perfect opportunity to do so with the Aurion and would have been a welcome addition to their international line up.

    And I doubt TC will make any changes to the rules which could be detrimental to the sportinorder to suit one particular manufacturer or team – Project Blueprint has ensured fairer closer competition which subsequently results in the sports success

    If it aint broke don’t fix it or f–k with it.

    Thing is Toyota were willing to accept the rules and reguulations etc from F1 which so far has resulted in a string of unbelievable lossesYet they were also willing to accept the rules and regulations from NNASCAR which has resulted in unbelievable success

  • Wheelnut

    So why cwouldn’t toyota accept the Rules and regulations for V8 Supercars? – it would have improved their image etc just as it has in NASCAR

  • http://AustralianCarAdvice J.J.T.

    Guys – Toyota is not going to join the V8SC series … PERIOD !!

    Why … because just to satisfy the rules that are designed to discourage anyone else form entering, it will mean Toyota will have to invest billions of dollars to alter thier entire production setup which co-incidentally would go against Toyota’s global trend just so they could enter a series in Australia with a market 1/15th the size of the US … somehow, i just don’t think so !!

    Besides, without the exposure of V8SC series they outsell Holden and Ford combined and then some regardless !!

    Appears to me Holden and Ford’s weekend advertising is having little or no effect.

    Apart from that, exposer to F1 and NASCAR brings about much more global recognition then the V8SC series ever will.

    Oh yeah, and nodoubt that as soon as Toyota starts getting way from them as they undoubtedly will, you can be assured Holden, Ford and thier dwindling amount of supporters will start having a panting attack and rally for applied restriction on the new competitor … they done it to Nissan and they just done it to Toyota in NASCAR.

    That ain’t sportsmanship, just rotten sore-losing behaviour !!

    At this point in time, i would must prefer Toyota continue thier investment in the Australian Rally Championship which quite frankly is more entertaining then watching a two horse trek.

    And before i conclude, the Australian (and global) industry is guaranteed to be undergoing radical changes over the coming years and that will most likely result in radical changes to our local manufactuering culture aswell which ironically will bring about a natural change in the V8SC series as we know it today.

    Basically, the series will eventually take a hit and the rules currently in effect will probably end up going against local production especially if the Falcon goes FWD / AWD sooner then later.

    At that point, V8SC management will have no choice but broaden the appeal of the competition allowing entrants such as Mazda, Honda, Toyota, VW and so forth to enter without massive expenses of altering thier local fleet just to compete in the V8SC.

    Once again – time will be more effective in making natural changes, just have to sit and wait …. Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick Tock !!

  • Wheelnut

    Quote [JJT]: Toyota is not going to join the V8SC series … PERIOD !!

    Why…. because just to satisfy the rules that are designed to discourage anyone else form entering,

    Have you even read the V8SC rules and regulations etc – I have and nowhere does it specifically state that only Ford and Holden can compete.

    I mean the rules and regulations in F1 are just as discouraging aren’t they? – you can enter provide that
    the engine sounds like a swarm of bees the car looks like a p—s with wings and wheels; not to mention that it disintegrates as a result of even the slightest “love-tap” from another competitor.

    Get over yourself JJT all forms of motorsport have various rules and regulations as to how a car must be buitl and what its performance must be etc – it helps ensure close competition.. which is exactly what we have in V8 Supercars

    No longer can /does one particular team dominate the sport with race win after race win championship after championship like HRT did years ago… there are a number of competitive teams/drivers.
    Whereas in F1 its either Ferrari 1st McLaren 2nd or McLaren 1st Ferrari 2nd and then Daylight 3rd…. so predictable!

  • Wheelnut

    As for your belief that the GT-Rs were forced out of the competition..

    In an Interview a couple of years ago Freddie Gibson who was manager of the all conquering Winfield Racing Nissan GT-Rs said “even if the rules weren’t changed after 1992 its very unlikely that we would have continued to race them because it was simply becoming too expensive for us to keep the cars on the track…. I was also having trouble finding sponsors” – and they were the championship let alone the Bathurst winners.

  • Wheelnut

    Quote: At this point in time, i would must prefer Toyota continue THEIR investment in the Australian Rally Championship which quite frankly is more entertaining then watching a two horse trek.

    Is that because like in F1 you can predict who is going to win even before the race starts…. Will it be Master Bates 1st & Simon Evans 2nd or Simon Evans 1st & Master Bates 2nd?.

  • Wheelnut

    Quote: V8SC management will have no choice but broaden the appeal of the competition allowing entrants such as Mazda, Honda, Toyota, VW and so forth to enter without massive expenses of altering thier local fleet just to compete in the V8SC

    The alterations won’t be that expensive.. Toyta/Lexus already have a couple of RWD platforms they could use and a V8 engine which is capable of producing 620-700bhp don’t they

    Doesn’t matter as the Race car resemble s little dimilarity to the Road car

    However all Toyota would basically have to do is put the RWD platform – the one under the AS-IF for example; under the Aurion…. problem solved and maybe image enhanced

  • Andrew M

    Dingo and wheelnut,
    the rules will be changed to accomodate toyota in terms of technical things.

    toyota WOULDNT need to produce a road going aussie built rwd v8 for V8sc to accept them.
    Toyota could easily run on someone elses platform. The ford and holden V8s arent exactlly production cars either, so i doubt many would care about the toyota not producing a RWD’r thing.

    Ill say it again…………
    THE RULE THAT V8SC IS STAYING FIRM ON IS A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF YEARS COMMITTMENT AND ALSO A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF CARS IN ORDER TO ENSURE A MANUFACTURER SUCH i.e. TOYOTA DOES NOT WALTZ IN AND PUMP MEGA BUCKS INTO A SMALL SET UP, DOMINATE, AND THEN LEAVE.
    EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD BE NEGOTIABLE IN TERMS OF WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO TECHNICLLY MAKE A BLUE PRINTED TOYOTA V8SC

    Ive said that^^ that many times, yet no one seems to listen and keeps skipping to their own conclusion

    Toyota never submitted a proposal once they found out that they would not be allowed structure a team the way they wanted.
    Its a team structure thing that is keeping toyota out, not technical issues. toyota wont enter unless they have an unfair advantage, and since V8sc isnt allowing the unfair advantage toyota wants, toyota wont enter

  • Wheelnut

    The fact that Toyota won’t accept the rules and regulations including the one about team ownership and structure.. means that its not AVESCO keeping Toyota out of V8 Supercars.. but in fact it’s Toyota keeping Toyota out of V8 Supercars..

    So many Toyo-philes like to think that the rules etc are restrictive discouraging or whatever designed to ensure that its a two horse race but that isn’t the case.

    Then they bring up the “story” about the GT-Rs being “thrown out” of the sport 0 to try and support their claims.

    The claims come mostly from those who don’t know much about the sport; or even follow V8s