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		<title>By: Bret</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/20271/holden-commodore-13-years-at-the-top/comment-page-3/#comment-110637</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 04:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duck, glad you looked it up and found out some facts, wish some others (not on here) would do the same.

For me there&#039;s no convict blood. That&#039;s the difference between a free-settled state like SA and you convicts in the east.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duck, glad you looked it up and found out some facts, wish some others (not on here) would do the same.</p>
<p>For me there&#8217;s no convict blood. That&#8217;s the difference between a free-settled state like SA and you convicts in the east.</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/20271/holden-commodore-13-years-at-the-top/comment-page-3/#comment-110635</link>
		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 04:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bret I could tell it was a typo!  ;)

Most but not all of us have a bit of British backround due to because of the convicts shipped here to Australia from England.

Sorta like me!  Ive got british, some scotish and some german in me!  :)


By the way this is how the ute was invetned! ..............

&quot;The ute was invented back in the early 1930s by a young Ford Australia designer named Lew Bandt in response to a letter from a local farmer requesting Ford build a vehicle he could use during the week to take his livestock to market, yet was weatherproof and comfortable enough for him to take his wife to church on Sunday. Bandt designed a close-coupled, all-steel two-door body with a bed out back on a 1933 Ford chassis. He called it a coupe-utility. Aussies, never ones for long-winded formality, quickly christened it the ute.&quot;

Website:  www.motortrend.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bret I could tell it was a typo!  ;)</p>
<p>Most but not all of us have a bit of British backround due to because of the convicts shipped here to Australia from England.</p>
<p>Sorta like me!  Ive got british, some scotish and some german in me!  :)</p>
<p>By the way this is how the ute was invetned! &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>&#8220;The ute was invented back in the early 1930s by a young Ford Australia designer named Lew Bandt in response to a letter from a local farmer requesting Ford build a vehicle he could use during the week to take his livestock to market, yet was weatherproof and comfortable enough for him to take his wife to church on Sunday. Bandt designed a close-coupled, all-steel two-door body with a bed out back on a 1933 Ford chassis. He called it a coupe-utility. Aussies, never ones for long-winded formality, quickly christened it the ute.&#8221;</p>
<p>Website:  <a href="http://www.motortrend.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.motortrend.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/20271/holden-commodore-13-years-at-the-top/comment-page-3/#comment-110610</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duck, sorry for the typo. I thought most would realise that it should have been 1934 not 1034.

And no, many Aussies don&#039;t have pommie ancestors. Many 7th &amp; 8th generation Australians ahve ancestors from different countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duck, sorry for the typo. I thought most would realise that it should have been 1934 not 1034.</p>
<p>And no, many Aussies don&#8217;t have pommie ancestors. Many 7th &amp; 8th generation Australians ahve ancestors from different countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Flying High</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/20271/holden-commodore-13-years-at-the-top/comment-page-3/#comment-110555</link>
		<dc:creator>Flying High</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there would be a number of native australians who might take exception to that comment Duck...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there would be a number of native australians who might take exception to that comment Duck&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/20271/holden-commodore-13-years-at-the-top/comment-page-3/#comment-110544</link>
		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where do you think we come from?  The Pommies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do you think we come from?  The Pommies!</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bret,  Ahhhhhhh........Ford did not exist in 1034.  No car companie did!

I&#039;m pretty sure!  :)


Of course James Alexander Holden was originally British!

All the first aussies were from england!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bret,  Ahhhhhhh&#8230;&#8230;..Ford did not exist in 1034.  No car companie did!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure!  :)</p>
<p>Of course James Alexander Holden was originally British!</p>
<p>All the first aussies were from england!</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Thoughts exactly - bret... it doesn&#039;t really matter who stared building cars in Australia first what matters is that they&#039;re building cars in Australia.
I believe we not only as Australians but also car enthusiasts should be proud of that and do whatever we can to support them and try to keep them here.
Because both Ford and Holden build two of the most reliable large RWD family sedans on the road today not to mention the best value for money - if they didn&#039;t they wouldn&#039;t be in business now would they?

Sure they mightn&#039;t be as technologiaclly advanced as some of the cars from overseas However it all relates to the size of the market and the number of countries that Ford and Holden export to. 
Compared to Europe and the USA Australia is a much smaller market and therefore it takes longer for Holden and Ford to recover the costs of R&amp;D - that goes into a new car which is why the liffe cycle of a car in Oz is on average 5-8 years whereas in Europe its closer to 2-4 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Thoughts exactly &#8211; bret&#8230; it doesn&#8217;t really matter who stared building cars in Australia first what matters is that they&#8217;re building cars in Australia.<br />
I believe we not only as Australians but also car enthusiasts should be proud of that and do whatever we can to support them and try to keep them here.<br />
Because both Ford and Holden build two of the most reliable large RWD family sedans on the road today not to mention the best value for money &#8211; if they didn&#8217;t they wouldn&#8217;t be in business now would they?</p>
<p>Sure they mightn&#8217;t be as technologiaclly advanced as some of the cars from overseas However it all relates to the size of the market and the number of countries that Ford and Holden export to.<br />
Compared to Europe and the USA Australia is a much smaller market and therefore it takes longer for Holden and Ford to recover the costs of R&amp;D &#8211; that goes into a new car which is why the liffe cycle of a car in Oz is on average 5-8 years whereas in Europe its closer to 2-4 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wheelnut, I&#039;m not disputing any of the history, it&#039;s just that Holden, as an automotive entity is no more Australian than Ford. Holden was 100% US owned when they produced their &quot;first&#039; car in 1948.

Up until 1931 they built many different bodies and fitted them to many different makes of chassis (inc. Ford).

Ford likewise, from 1925, built bodies and fitted them to chassis&#039; (for the same reason Holden did). To suggest that Ford only assemble CKD kits in australia until 1960 is wrong. Ford Aus had a body design department in the 1920&#039;s.
Don&#039;t forget that Ford Aus invented the UTE in 1034.

Both are US owned companies, both have unly ever produced complete vehicles under that US ownership, and both have a history in Australia that all Australians should be proud of, because in the main it has always been Australians doing it all, despite foriegn ownership and, at times, management.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wheelnut, I&#8217;m not disputing any of the history, it&#8217;s just that Holden, as an automotive entity is no more Australian than Ford. Holden was 100% US owned when they produced their &#8220;first&#8217; car in 1948.</p>
<p>Up until 1931 they built many different bodies and fitted them to many different makes of chassis (inc. Ford).</p>
<p>Ford likewise, from 1925, built bodies and fitted them to chassis&#8217; (for the same reason Holden did). To suggest that Ford only assemble CKD kits in australia until 1960 is wrong. Ford Aus had a body design department in the 1920&#8217;s.<br />
Don&#8217;t forget that Ford Aus invented the UTE in 1034.</p>
<p>Both are US owned companies, both have unly ever produced complete vehicles under that US ownership, and both have a history in Australia that all Australians should be proud of, because in the main it has always been Australians doing it all, despite foriegn ownership and, at times, management.</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another couple of interesting but useless facts:

The Cadillac Car Company was formed in 1905 from the remnants of the Henry Ford Company when Henry Ford  departed [to start Ford]

Whilst the Cadillac automobile was named after the 17th century French explorer Antoine Laumet de La Mothe, sieur de Cadillac, who founded Detroit in 1701.

Apparently the first Caddie was based on one of Henry Ford&#039;s designs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another couple of interesting but useless facts:</p>
<p>The Cadillac Car Company was formed in 1905 from the remnants of the Henry Ford Company when Henry Ford  departed [to start Ford]</p>
<p>Whilst the Cadillac automobile was named after the 17th century French explorer Antoine Laumet de La Mothe, sieur de Cadillac, who founded Detroit in 1701.</p>
<p>Apparently the first Caddie was based on one of Henry Ford&#8217;s designs</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MistrTwo: you&#039;re right James Alexander Holden was actually English - yet the Holden COmpany was established in Australia.. which is why its considered to be an Australian car manufacturing company
In the Same way that Louis Chevrolet [the founder of Chev] was french but he established the Chevrolet COmpany in America.. which is why Chevy is considered to be an American car manufacturing company

Yes; Holden is now owned by GM. An American Company which in itself doesnt actually manufacture any cars that wear a GM badge but just happens to own a number of car manufacturing companies including Chevrolet and Holden

However; Speedo and Vegemite along with a number of other iconic Austrlaian products are also Foreign Owned but still referred to as Australian as that&#039;s where they started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MistrTwo: you&#8217;re right James Alexander Holden was actually English &#8211; yet the Holden COmpany was established in Australia.. which is why its considered to be an Australian car manufacturing company<br />
In the Same way that Louis Chevrolet [the founder of Chev] was french but he established the Chevrolet COmpany in America.. which is why Chevy is considered to be an American car manufacturing company</p>
<p>Yes; Holden is now owned by GM. An American Company which in itself doesnt actually manufacture any cars that wear a GM badge but just happens to own a number of car manufacturing companies including Chevrolet and Holden</p>
<p>However; Speedo and Vegemite along with a number of other iconic Austrlaian products are also Foreign Owned but still referred to as Australian as that&#8217;s where they started.</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes the very first Holden the FX which is known as Australias first car did have a bit of help and influence from GM in America.. However; the very first Faclon ha a bit of influence form Ford USA

Before that just as Holden built bodies which resembled cars from the USA which they fitted to the extra chassis which were imported as a result of Trade Restrictions imposed by the Federal Government after WW1. Ford Australia assembled cars most of which were imported in CKD form from Overseas.

my point is that throughout their history both Ford and Holden have hasd some assistance or input from the USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the very first Holden the FX which is known as Australias first car did have a bit of help and influence from GM in America.. However; the very first Faclon ha a bit of influence form Ford USA</p>
<p>Before that just as Holden built bodies which resembled cars from the USA which they fitted to the extra chassis which were imported as a result of Trade Restrictions imposed by the Federal Government after WW1. Ford Australia assembled cars most of which were imported in CKD form from Overseas.</p>
<p>my point is that throughout their history both Ford and Holden have hasd some assistance or input from the USA</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duck,
Not sure where you are going with the history bit, but I was just clarifying earlier incorrect claims that Holden ever produced anything pre-GM, and they didn&#039;t. Every &quot;Holden&quot; has always been GM.

Oh I agree totally on the annual sales being more important than individual months. The Monthly only winner was the BF, the rest were the last of several year blocks of full year sales tops.

Duck, it&#039;s swings and roundaouts. 
In fact Falcon has probably been the number one seller for more years than Commodore (being some 18yrs older nameplate).
The Falcon was no 1 from 1980 - 1986 and (I think) 1992-1996. Not sure on the intermediate years, probably 50/50.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duck,<br />
Not sure where you are going with the history bit, but I was just clarifying earlier incorrect claims that Holden ever produced anything pre-GM, and they didn&#8217;t. Every &#8220;Holden&#8221; has always been GM.</p>
<p>Oh I agree totally on the annual sales being more important than individual months. The Monthly only winner was the BF, the rest were the last of several year blocks of full year sales tops.</p>
<p>Duck, it&#8217;s swings and roundaouts.<br />
In fact Falcon has probably been the number one seller for more years than Commodore (being some 18yrs older nameplate).<br />
The Falcon was no 1 from 1980 &#8211; 1986 and (I think) 1992-1996. Not sure on the intermediate years, probably 50/50.</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^^^^^^^^^^Isn&#039;t that what counts!?  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^^^^^^^^^^Isn&#8217;t that what counts!?  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, exactly Bret &quot;Month Only&quot;!  Who cares!

The Commodore can retain sales for a longer period of time (every year not always every month!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, exactly Bret &#8220;Month Only&#8221;!  Who cares!</p>
<p>The Commodore can retain sales for a longer period of time (every year not always every month!).</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same with ford oz. Bret!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same with ford oz. Bret!</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duck, get what? Holden&#039;s history?

Holden never made their own car. The first complete car built to wear the Holden badge was by GM-H.

And you&#039;re right about the &quot;end of each of the last 13 years&quot;.
Here&#039;s an intersting, but useless fact: The last 3 Falcons to top the sales xF, eF, bF (month only). What chance the Fg is next?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duck, get what? Holden&#8217;s history?</p>
<p>Holden never made their own car. The first complete car built to wear the Holden badge was by GM-H.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right about the &#8220;end of each of the last 13 years&#8221;.<br />
Here&#8217;s an intersting, but useless fact: The last 3 Falcons to top the sales xF, eF, bF (month only). What chance the Fg is next?</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^^^^^^At the end of every year for 13 years not every month BK!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^^^^^^At the end of every year for 13 years not every month BK!</p>
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		<title>By: BK</title>
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		<dc:creator>BK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So every single month for 13 yrs commodore was number 1. I doubt that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So every single month for 13 yrs commodore was number 1. I doubt that.</p>
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		<title>By: Escort_Ghia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Escort_Ghia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bret to be honest i dont even know why i wrote that or what i was thinking gotta stop having so meany late nights</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bret to be honest i dont even know why i wrote that or what i was thinking gotta stop having so meany late nights</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Escort,
Maybe you&#039;re too young to be making that statement.
There is a whole buch of models FX to WB that have nothing to do with Opel. Holden did have a life before the Dunnydore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Escort,<br />
Maybe you&#8217;re too young to be making that statement.<br />
There is a whole buch of models FX to WB that have nothing to do with Opel. Holden did have a life before the Dunnydore.</p>
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