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		<title>By: lachie</title>
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		<dc:creator>lachie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they cant impound a rental car, stolencar or a borrowed car (unless the owner knows you have it).</description>
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		<title>By: FRUGAL--ONE</title>
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		<dc:creator>FRUGAL--ONE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Your comment is awaiting moderation…I THINK NOT!]

*****PRIMO!***** [And rightly so!]

brock [does not and will not get CAPITALS] is nothing more than a egotistical WIFE BASHER

May he rot in hell

Cheers

F-0</description>
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<p>*****PRIMO!***** [And rightly so!]</p>
<p>brock [does not and will not get CAPITALS] is nothing more than a egotistical WIFE BASHER</p>
<p>May he rot in hell</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>F-0</p>
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		<title>By: topdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>topdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 03:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If i was broken down on the road and had to pick between a loaded truck doing 100 and the aston doing 150 to stop in time ill take the aston doing 150 to safely stop</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If i was broken down on the road and had to pick between a loaded truck doing 100 and the aston doing 150 to stop in time ill take the aston doing 150 to safely stop</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im not talking about the ideal situation...sure there should be a track built for this like nuremberg.  Sure its safer to speed in certain cars.  I&#039;m not ignorant and I understand your points.  What im saying is that your points don&#039;t matter.  He still fully deserves this ticket under the CURRENT laws just as much as anyone else.  Grant him the permission to speed and you must grant everyone else as a precedent.    Thats all I&#039;m going to say on this one.   Your fighting a losing battle.   You are an ignorant fool.  When sharing the road with others what if someone else crashing into HIM.   Lets forget about his car for a second.  Your head is so far up your ass its not funny.   No wonder I dont post here anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im not talking about the ideal situation&#8230;sure there should be a track built for this like nuremberg.  Sure its safer to speed in certain cars.  I&#8217;m not ignorant and I understand your points.  What im saying is that your points don&#8217;t matter.  He still fully deserves this ticket under the CURRENT laws just as much as anyone else.  Grant him the permission to speed and you must grant everyone else as a precedent.    Thats all I&#8217;m going to say on this one.   Your fighting a losing battle.   You are an ignorant fool.  When sharing the road with others what if someone else crashing into HIM.   Lets forget about his car for a second.  Your head is so far up your ass its not funny.   No wonder I dont post here anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen &#039;Jester&#039;..

What you fail to realise is even though the Aston is built for those speeds and yes it will stop in a shorter distance, that does NOT mean he is above the law and can speed when sharing the road with OTHER drivers.   What you FAIL to realise is that the most important safety feature of any car is the DRIVER.   I have seen plenty of smashes with porsches, lambos, and lets not forget that mess that Veyron owner made of his car.  You want the government to pick and chose a custom speed limit depending on the capabilities of a car?  The only requirement is that the car is roadworthy.   You sir, are a fool.  This requires no further discussion.

……..and just to finish this topic off.

ASK YOURSELVES THE FOLLOWING QUESTION:

Who will stop quicker and in shorter distance -

A) Aston MArtin V8 Vantage doing 150kmh

B) Fully laden truck doing 99kmh

When you answer A or B then you will see why the speed laws are dumb, yet again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen &#8216;Jester&#8217;..</p>
<p>What you fail to realise is even though the Aston is built for those speeds and yes it will stop in a shorter distance, that does NOT mean he is above the law and can speed when sharing the road with OTHER drivers.   What you FAIL to realise is that the most important safety feature of any car is the DRIVER.   I have seen plenty of smashes with porsches, lambos, and lets not forget that mess that Veyron owner made of his car.  You want the government to pick and chose a custom speed limit depending on the capabilities of a car?  The only requirement is that the car is roadworthy.   You sir, are a fool.  This requires no further discussion.</p>
<p>……..and just to finish this topic off.</p>
<p>ASK YOURSELVES THE FOLLOWING QUESTION:</p>
<p>Who will stop quicker and in shorter distance -</p>
<p>A) Aston MArtin V8 Vantage doing 150kmh</p>
<p>B) Fully laden truck doing 99kmh</p>
<p>When you answer A or B then you will see why the speed laws are dumb, yet again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 00:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike and Summerschool - I see you have answered the A or B correctly.

The only fools are people like yourselves blinded by obedience and lacking logical thinking. You are sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike and Summerschool &#8211; I see you have answered the A or B correctly.</p>
<p>The only fools are people like yourselves blinded by obedience and lacking logical thinking. You are sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as there are cars on the road, there will be road fatalities. The only way the system could ever change is if they took away our ability to control a vehicle altogether. With modern technology, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if this is on the horizon.

Anyone ever heard the phrase:

&quot;Guns don&#039;t kill, people do&quot;

The same applies to cars. Unless there is a mechanical failure in the vehicle, I would think that most road fatalities would be caused by bad drivers, people who don&#039;t follow the road rules, or just idiots. It&#039;s the minority who make the majority suffer.

Speed Kills is just a revenue tool, nothing more or less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as there are cars on the road, there will be road fatalities. The only way the system could ever change is if they took away our ability to control a vehicle altogether. With modern technology, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if this is on the horizon.</p>
<p>Anyone ever heard the phrase:</p>
<p>&#8220;Guns don&#8217;t kill, people do&#8221;</p>
<p>The same applies to cars. Unless there is a mechanical failure in the vehicle, I would think that most road fatalities would be caused by bad drivers, people who don&#8217;t follow the road rules, or just idiots. It&#8217;s the minority who make the majority suffer.</p>
<p>Speed Kills is just a revenue tool, nothing more or less.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>guy deserves the ticket, anyone who claims otherwise is a fool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guy deserves the ticket, anyone who claims otherwise is a fool.</p>
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		<title>By: SSOwner</title>
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		<dc:creator>SSOwner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exceeding the speed limit and speeding are not the same thing.  Of course speeding is dangerous - by definition it&#039;s exceeding the safety margins and/or physical/mental limits.  If visibility is particularly poor (such as when it&#039;s foggy) or roads are icy 50km/h could well be speeding, yet that&#039;s still under the posted speed limit.
Likewise 120 or 130 down the good sections of the Hume on a bright sunny day is NOT speeding, but it is exceeding the posted speed limit.
I&#039;m all for lower speed limits in built-up areas for the good of the pedestrian, but I agree with several posters that our highways are insanely slow.

It was interesting to read the stats in paper on the weekend.  The highest road-toll over Christmas was in Victoria, the lowest....NT.  VIC has just come off the back off the &#039;wipe off 5&#039; campaign and still seems to be largely confined to 100km/h in many areas (rather than 110km/h).  NT has 130km/h of course (boo! bring back the unlimited) - yes there&#039;s less people but the stats are kinda interesting.

Personally, I&#039;d like to see our arterial highways opened up.  Perhaps the &#039;average speed&#039; cameras like in VIC could be used to impose a &#039;green&#039; charge.  Average 80km/h (or whatever is the &#039;greenest&#039; speed) in a section - no charge.  Average more than that, get charged a proportional amount.  That means no more breaking speed limits!  by all means do 160km/h, but expect to pay for the privilege to offset the carbon burn.  This way the government still gets their revenue (which is what the speeding campaign is all about, let&#039;s face it) and the police are free to look for dangerous driving instead of hiding in the bushes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exceeding the speed limit and speeding are not the same thing.  Of course speeding is dangerous &#8211; by definition it&#8217;s exceeding the safety margins and/or physical/mental limits.  If visibility is particularly poor (such as when it&#8217;s foggy) or roads are icy 50km/h could well be speeding, yet that&#8217;s still under the posted speed limit.<br />
Likewise 120 or 130 down the good sections of the Hume on a bright sunny day is NOT speeding, but it is exceeding the posted speed limit.<br />
I&#8217;m all for lower speed limits in built-up areas for the good of the pedestrian, but I agree with several posters that our highways are insanely slow.</p>
<p>It was interesting to read the stats in paper on the weekend.  The highest road-toll over Christmas was in Victoria, the lowest&#8230;.NT.  VIC has just come off the back off the &#8216;wipe off 5&#8242; campaign and still seems to be largely confined to 100km/h in many areas (rather than 110km/h).  NT has 130km/h of course (boo! bring back the unlimited) &#8211; yes there&#8217;s less people but the stats are kinda interesting.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;d like to see our arterial highways opened up.  Perhaps the &#8216;average speed&#8217; cameras like in VIC could be used to impose a &#8216;green&#8217; charge.  Average 80km/h (or whatever is the &#8216;greenest&#8217; speed) in a section &#8211; no charge.  Average more than that, get charged a proportional amount.  That means no more breaking speed limits!  by all means do 160km/h, but expect to pay for the privilege to offset the carbon burn.  This way the government still gets their revenue (which is what the speeding campaign is all about, let&#8217;s face it) and the police are free to look for dangerous driving instead of hiding in the bushes.</p>
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		<title>By: summerschool</title>
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		<dc:creator>summerschool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stupid fool...serve him right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stupid fool&#8230;serve him right!</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want the Dauphin helicopter mentioned above that only costs $2k for 2 hours.  I would love to only pay that much for a helicopter like that!  TVFPIC.  On topic, you take the risk, you must be prepared to pay the price.  Simple as that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want the Dauphin helicopter mentioned above that only costs $2k for 2 hours.  I would love to only pay that much for a helicopter like that!  TVFPIC.  On topic, you take the risk, you must be prepared to pay the price.  Simple as that!</p>
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		<title>By: Jester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..........and if you want to talk about speed differential being really dangerous.

What about the cyclists doing 15km/h in a 100km/h zone. 

If cyclists are allowed to ride 2-abreast with the speed differential of 85km/h, then this offence is not serious enough.

Think about it people, just use your heads. Speed laws and many other traffic laws in Aus are an absolute joke.

Clapped up Cortina with drum brakes doing 100 in a 100 is fine, but Lamborghini Murcielago doing 101 in a 100 is an offence ?!?!?!?!?

Well, here is a solution, Governments if you are listening - build us a God damned Oz Nurburgring, open every day, $25 per lap, no speed limits, 25kms long, 2km straight for top speed runs, plenty of corners, and we can all move forward then ;))))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.and if you want to talk about speed differential being really dangerous.</p>
<p>What about the cyclists doing 15km/h in a 100km/h zone. </p>
<p>If cyclists are allowed to ride 2-abreast with the speed differential of 85km/h, then this offence is not serious enough.</p>
<p>Think about it people, just use your heads. Speed laws and many other traffic laws in Aus are an absolute joke.</p>
<p>Clapped up Cortina with drum brakes doing 100 in a 100 is fine, but Lamborghini Murcielago doing 101 in a 100 is an offence ?!?!?!?!?</p>
<p>Well, here is a solution, Governments if you are listening &#8211; build us a God damned Oz Nurburgring, open every day, $25 per lap, no speed limits, 25kms long, 2km straight for top speed runs, plenty of corners, and we can all move forward then ;))))</p>
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		<title>By: Jester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>........and just to finish this topic off.

ASK YOURSELVES THE FOLLOWING QUESTION:

Who will stop quicker and in shorter distance -

A) Aston MArtin V8 Vantage doing 150kmh

B) Fully laden truck doing 99kmh 

When you answer A or B then you will see why the speed laws are dumb, yet again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;..and just to finish this topic off.</p>
<p>ASK YOURSELVES THE FOLLOWING QUESTION:</p>
<p>Who will stop quicker and in shorter distance -</p>
<p>A) Aston MArtin V8 Vantage doing 150kmh</p>
<p>B) Fully laden truck doing 99kmh </p>
<p>When you answer A or B then you will see why the speed laws are dumb, yet again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frosty is clearly a traffic cop, and all his so-called facts are drawn directly from a police booklet detailing why speed is dangerous.I guess you have to pay your mortgage somehow matey.

To answer you some other questions Frosty - yes, driven on Autobahn, yes, attended several high-speed training courses.
The biggest problem with the speed law as I see it is that it is less of an offence to drive 64kmh in a 40kmh zone past the school, then it is to drive 150kmh in a 100kmh zone with nobody around you. Do you see my point, cops and politicians and judges only see the numbers, not the surroundings.
The other thing is that all these anti-speed advocates state: what if you have a blow out, what if your brakes fail, what if someone steps in the road in front of you blah blah blah. 

What if the comet comes from the sky and hits you while sitting in the car - all this &quot;what if&quot; is dumb, its dumb since some granpa doing 20kmh BELOW the speed limit runs a red liht and t-bones the family car and kills its occupants, OR some idiot not paying any attention changes lanes without indication, causes car next to him to swerve, lose control and kill them.

And don&#039;t even start me with the rotten governments, and their belief that advanced driving courses make drivers more dangerous. This is a FACT, this is what the government thinks.

So you tell me who is responsible and who can reduce the road toll. Give me education and better roads any day, compared to some copper in the bushes with a radar/laser giving tickets for enthusiastic driving, and a media blabbing about how speed, and only speed is dangerous.

NOT providing better advanced driving courses is more dangerous
NOT providing safer roads is more dangerous.

Speed - easiest to detect, easiest to talk about, easiest to blame for everything, easiest to collect revenue from. Simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frosty is clearly a traffic cop, and all his so-called facts are drawn directly from a police booklet detailing why speed is dangerous.I guess you have to pay your mortgage somehow matey.</p>
<p>To answer you some other questions Frosty &#8211; yes, driven on Autobahn, yes, attended several high-speed training courses.<br />
The biggest problem with the speed law as I see it is that it is less of an offence to drive 64kmh in a 40kmh zone past the school, then it is to drive 150kmh in a 100kmh zone with nobody around you. Do you see my point, cops and politicians and judges only see the numbers, not the surroundings.<br />
The other thing is that all these anti-speed advocates state: what if you have a blow out, what if your brakes fail, what if someone steps in the road in front of you blah blah blah. </p>
<p>What if the comet comes from the sky and hits you while sitting in the car &#8211; all this &#8220;what if&#8221; is dumb, its dumb since some granpa doing 20kmh BELOW the speed limit runs a red liht and t-bones the family car and kills its occupants, OR some idiot not paying any attention changes lanes without indication, causes car next to him to swerve, lose control and kill them.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t even start me with the rotten governments, and their belief that advanced driving courses make drivers more dangerous. This is a FACT, this is what the government thinks.</p>
<p>So you tell me who is responsible and who can reduce the road toll. Give me education and better roads any day, compared to some copper in the bushes with a radar/laser giving tickets for enthusiastic driving, and a media blabbing about how speed, and only speed is dangerous.</p>
<p>NOT providing better advanced driving courses is more dangerous<br />
NOT providing safer roads is more dangerous.</p>
<p>Speed &#8211; easiest to detect, easiest to talk about, easiest to blame for everything, easiest to collect revenue from. Simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frosty, the point is that unsafe roads kill people.  You dont need to speed.   Any road which has opposing flows of traffic with only a white line separating them is, by design, extremely unsafe.   As for power poles and trees and stuff along the side of the road, well thats another story, and its also how Peter Brock died, sideways into a tree.  He wasn\&#039;t going that fast either I might add.  

More gaurd rails to stop cars from leaving the road into trees etc, more dividers for opposing traffic flows, less trees and power poles and sign posts adjacent to the roads.  That will save lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frosty, the point is that unsafe roads kill people.  You dont need to speed.   Any road which has opposing flows of traffic with only a white line separating them is, by design, extremely unsafe.   As for power poles and trees and stuff along the side of the road, well thats another story, and its also how Peter Brock died, sideways into a tree.  He wasn\&#8217;t going that fast either I might add.  </p>
<p>More gaurd rails to stop cars from leaving the road into trees etc, more dividers for opposing traffic flows, less trees and power poles and sign posts adjacent to the roads.  That will save lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forsy, the point is that unsafe roads kill people.  You dont need to speed.   Any road which has opposing flows of traffic with only a white line separating them is, by design, extremely unsafe.   As for power poles and trees and stuff along the side of the road, well thats another story, and its also how Peter Brock died, sideways into a tree.  He wasn&#039;t going that fast either I might add.  

More gaurd rails to stop cars from leaving the road into trees etc, more dividers for opposing traffic flows, less trees and power poles and sign posts adjacent to the roads.  That will save lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forsy, the point is that unsafe roads kill people.  You dont need to speed.   Any road which has opposing flows of traffic with only a white line separating them is, by design, extremely unsafe.   As for power poles and trees and stuff along the side of the road, well thats another story, and its also how Peter Brock died, sideways into a tree.  He wasn&#8217;t going that fast either I might add.  </p>
<p>More gaurd rails to stop cars from leaving the road into trees etc, more dividers for opposing traffic flows, less trees and power poles and sign posts adjacent to the roads.  That will save lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Cupid Stunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupid Stunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha Ha serve the twit right. If you want an Aston come to the UK were a 150 is barely beginning to spped. I blimped my Vectra to 165 today. tee hee. Any fuzz reading his i&#039;m just bragging of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha Ha serve the twit right. If you want an Aston come to the UK were a 150 is barely beginning to spped. I blimped my Vectra to 165 today. tee hee. Any fuzz reading his i&#8217;m just bragging of course.</p>
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		<title>By: zero</title>
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		<dc:creator>zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>told u AUS is the worst place to own a supercar
whats the point of ownin this kinda beauty when u cant even take it out for a sprint
to me,speeding isnt the real cause of accidents if u know when and where to..
come on,give us a break</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>told u AUS is the worst place to own a supercar<br />
whats the point of ownin this kinda beauty when u cant even take it out for a sprint<br />
to me,speeding isnt the real cause of accidents if u know when and where to..<br />
come on,give us a break</p>
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		<title>By: Geni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, fine, yes the Aston is easily capable of doing 150kmh. But christ, its not hard to see that on a public road with lots of other cars doing significantly less, that those speeds and the speed differential between the Aston and all the other cars around it, makes that speed dangerous. Driving skill and wallet size are not related, for all we know this guy can&#039;t drive for shit, so you can&#039;t say &#039;well its an Aston Martin Vantage, its safe at 150kmh&#039;. It might be, the driver mightn&#039;t. 

And yes jester, in long empty straight roads where you can see for 10km straight (ie NT) it does make a little sense to be able to drive faster than 100 (or 130). But this is the Bolte Bridge, its rarely empty. Its not 10km of clear visibility and no traffic, ever. 

I don&#039;t reckon speeding is the leading cause of accidents (inattention is), but 50kmh over is too far. People need to realise that sometimes the what ifs happen. What if I run over a screw on the road and have a blowout at 150kmh, and become a 1.7 tonne missile that hits another car that was going 80kmh. I know being young its tempting to think it won&#039;t happen, but if it does it isn&#039;t just your life that your playing with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, fine, yes the Aston is easily capable of doing 150kmh. But christ, its not hard to see that on a public road with lots of other cars doing significantly less, that those speeds and the speed differential between the Aston and all the other cars around it, makes that speed dangerous. Driving skill and wallet size are not related, for all we know this guy can&#8217;t drive for shit, so you can&#8217;t say &#8216;well its an Aston Martin Vantage, its safe at 150kmh&#8217;. It might be, the driver mightn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>And yes jester, in long empty straight roads where you can see for 10km straight (ie NT) it does make a little sense to be able to drive faster than 100 (or 130). But this is the Bolte Bridge, its rarely empty. Its not 10km of clear visibility and no traffic, ever. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t reckon speeding is the leading cause of accidents (inattention is), but 50kmh over is too far. People need to realise that sometimes the what ifs happen. What if I run over a screw on the road and have a blowout at 150kmh, and become a 1.7 tonne missile that hits another car that was going 80kmh. I know being young its tempting to think it won&#8217;t happen, but if it does it isn&#8217;t just your life that your playing with.</p>
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		<title>By: Sushi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sushi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, just increase the speed limit to 115 - 130km/h, there will be idiots who will do 180km/h and still claim that it\&#039;s safe.

There are a lot of people who call themselves enthusiasts and allow themselves to do things others can\&#039;t (or won\&#039;t) on the road. The thing is, they\&#039;re sharing the road with other people. They allow themselves to do 20km/h over the limit but they really get upset with other people doing 5km/h under the limit, even if those people are traveling in the left lane.

Beside driver training, respect for other people is another thing that we have to learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, just increase the speed limit to 115 &#8211; 130km/h, there will be idiots who will do 180km/h and still claim that it\&#8217;s safe.</p>
<p>There are a lot of people who call themselves enthusiasts and allow themselves to do things others can\&#8217;t (or won\&#8217;t) on the road. The thing is, they\&#8217;re sharing the road with other people. They allow themselves to do 20km/h over the limit but they really get upset with other people doing 5km/h under the limit, even if those people are traveling in the left lane.</p>
<p>Beside driver training, respect for other people is another thing that we have to learn.</p>
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