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		<title>By: Lukaas</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/20024/ssangyong-and-toyota-going-backwards/#comment-109718</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukaas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignoring the kids comments here...

First if Toyota crumbles in Oz, so does the industry. Which means Victoria will most likely lose tens to hundreds of thousands of jobs (Production, manufacturing, sales, suppliers etc). People who lose their jobs.... not good... so Gayota... please go away with your senseless and ignorant posts.

Second.... Toyota has been often copied and studied by other companies in the way they do business... very well respected. So if they are posting a loss.... then its definitely a worry.
If they are losing profits... then very good chances are... so are everyone else in the business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignoring the kids comments here&#8230;</p>
<p>First if Toyota crumbles in Oz, so does the industry. Which means Victoria will most likely lose tens to hundreds of thousands of jobs (Production, manufacturing, sales, suppliers etc). People who lose their jobs&#8230;. not good&#8230; so Gayota&#8230; please go away with your senseless and ignorant posts.</p>
<p>Second&#8230;. Toyota has been often copied and studied by other companies in the way they do business&#8230; very well respected. So if they are posting a loss&#8230;. then its definitely a worry.<br />
If they are losing profits&#8230; then very good chances are&#8230; so are everyone else in the business.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 03:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to say this to you Gayota but if Toyota leave Vic
so does most of our economy along with a heap of jobs that supply the industry as for the $35million Federal + State funds should not have been given to them because they where going to build this car anyway waste off money</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to say this to you Gayota but if Toyota leave Vic<br />
so does most of our economy along with a heap of jobs that supply the industry as for the $35million Federal + State funds should not have been given to them because they where going to build this car anyway waste off money</p>
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		<title>By: Gayota</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gayota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 00:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toyota = bland boring crap like Spamry &amp; Avalon (LOL what a flop that was). I couldnt care less if the whole company dissapeared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toyota = bland boring crap like Spamry &amp; Avalon (LOL what a flop that was). I couldnt care less if the whole company dissapeared.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 06:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it will take along time for toyota to crash! they have the largest cash reserve of any company or person in the world, not like the big 3 that are already on borrowed cash that they are asking for after a plane ride each in the companies private jets! thats like a homeless guy asking for money with his bmw parked next to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it will take along time for toyota to crash! they have the largest cash reserve of any company or person in the world, not like the big 3 that are already on borrowed cash that they are asking for after a plane ride each in the companies private jets! thats like a homeless guy asking for money with his bmw parked next to him.</p>
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		<title>By: AAA</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/20024/ssangyong-and-toyota-going-backwards/#comment-108138</link>
		<dc:creator>AAA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SsangYong makes FUGLY cars. They try too hard to be artistic lolx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SsangYong makes FUGLY cars. They try too hard to be artistic lolx</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/20024/ssangyong-and-toyota-going-backwards/#comment-108127</link>
		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NASCAR and F1 must be looking like expensive hobbies right now. 

Golife - theres a report on &quot;autoblog&quot; that despite the downturn Toyota have committed themselves to Fl for least another 5 years.

Toyota F1 haven&#039;t won a race or a championship over he last 7 years despite having the biggest budget in the paddock = $445m [US]. 

So if their F1 form contnuies the $2.5bn loss could be the first of many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NASCAR and F1 must be looking like expensive hobbies right now. </p>
<p>Golife &#8211; theres a report on &#8220;autoblog&#8221; that despite the downturn Toyota have committed themselves to Fl for least another 5 years.</p>
<p>Toyota F1 haven&#8217;t won a race or a championship over he last 7 years despite having the biggest budget in the paddock = $445m [US]. </p>
<p>So if their F1 form contnuies the $2.5bn loss could be the first of many.</p>
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		<title>By: Naughtyius Maximus</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/20024/ssangyong-and-toyota-going-backwards/#comment-108071</link>
		<dc:creator>Naughtyius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 00:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Cupid Stunt on Insignia...........how cares on following one car maker like 99% on here. I dont! The Insignia is mega hot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Cupid Stunt on Insignia&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..how cares on following one car maker like 99% on here. I dont! The Insignia is mega hot!</p>
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		<title>By: Joober</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/20024/ssangyong-and-toyota-going-backwards/#comment-108057</link>
		<dc:creator>Joober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree Alan, as per following my post.</description>
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		<title>By: Joober</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well well, first loss in 71yrs. Thats gotta hurt, but then again so is the rest of the car industry world (and many are far worse e.g. requiring bail-out) The problem is Toyota is a measuring stick for the other car makers. On the side a bit, Credit Suisse has analysed that because of this, the Bail-out for GM is sure to fail, as Toyota being the most efficient, cost saving out of the lot, cant get it right this time, how would a less capable maker who is already in the red will!.

I think all manufacturers must wake up and realise that NOBODY IS BUYING CARS PERIOD for the next 1 to 2 years especially in the US. They need to mitigate during this period and continually expect dwindling sales. Cost saving and cheap vehicles may be a bandaid to this until it all picks up again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well well, first loss in 71yrs. Thats gotta hurt, but then again so is the rest of the car industry world (and many are far worse e.g. requiring bail-out) The problem is Toyota is a measuring stick for the other car makers. On the side a bit, Credit Suisse has analysed that because of this, the Bail-out for GM is sure to fail, as Toyota being the most efficient, cost saving out of the lot, cant get it right this time, how would a less capable maker who is already in the red will!.</p>
<p>I think all manufacturers must wake up and realise that NOBODY IS BUYING CARS PERIOD for the next 1 to 2 years especially in the US. They need to mitigate during this period and continually expect dwindling sales. Cost saving and cheap vehicles may be a bandaid to this until it all picks up again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What i really wonder though is if Toyota is likely to post it&#039;s first operating loss, then how will the other car companies fare? Toyota is amongst the best managed and most efficient car company in the world, so if they are struggling to make a profit, the whole car industry is likely to be in trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What i really wonder though is if Toyota is likely to post it&#8217;s first operating loss, then how will the other car companies fare? Toyota is amongst the best managed and most efficient car company in the world, so if they are struggling to make a profit, the whole car industry is likely to be in trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Cupid Stunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupid Stunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bav n Wheelnut - Mines not the Toyota dooner cover (as you lot call them) yet. See a dingo type persons made a comeback. What a sore loser.
Just seen the ne Toyota Avensis turn up at the Toyota dealer next door. Must say its pretty dull compared the new stuff coming out lately. Cqan&#039;t wait to get me hand on the new Insignia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bav n Wheelnut &#8211; Mines not the Toyota dooner cover (as you lot call them) yet. See a dingo type persons made a comeback. What a sore loser.<br />
Just seen the ne Toyota Avensis turn up at the Toyota dealer next door. Must say its pretty dull compared the new stuff coming out lately. Cqan&#8217;t wait to get me hand on the new Insignia</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If/when Toyota do crash they should be pretty safe.... according to the ANCrAP tests anyway.

So long as Toyota don&#039;t take Subaru doen with them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If/when Toyota do crash they should be pretty safe&#8230;. according to the ANCrAP tests anyway.</p>
<p>So long as Toyota don&#8217;t take Subaru doen with them!</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frontman - the really dumb thing about KRudds announcement in relation to the $35m grant to Toyota to Build the Hybrid Canary in Oz is that Toyota had plans to build it here anyway.... 

If Toyota don&#039;t build the Hybrid here or even pull out of Australia - I din;t think the gummint will ask for or even get its money back. 

A similar thing happened with Kodak back in the late 80s - the Gummint gave em millions of dollars for a new development - Kodak took the money spent it on overseas plants etc and 6 months later left Australia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frontman &#8211; the really dumb thing about KRudds announcement in relation to the $35m grant to Toyota to Build the Hybrid Canary in Oz is that Toyota had plans to build it here anyway&#8230;. </p>
<p>If Toyota don&#8217;t build the Hybrid here or even pull out of Australia &#8211; I din;t think the gummint will ask for or even get its money back. </p>
<p>A similar thing happened with Kodak back in the late 80s &#8211; the Gummint gave em millions of dollars for a new development &#8211; Kodak took the money spent it on overseas plants etc and 6 months later left Australia</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile ( . ) ( . )</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile ( . ) ( . )</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahaha ,morning Cupid !Merry Christmas babe.............hope you got her knee pads for Christmas {dont you tell her I said that}! We all knew it was just a matter of time,and its not going to get better for them! Join the club Toyota!

Bigger they are the harder they fall,so whos interested in catching them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahaha ,morning Cupid !Merry Christmas babe&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.hope you got her knee pads for Christmas {dont you tell her I said that}! We all knew it was just a matter of time,and its not going to get better for them! Join the club Toyota!</p>
<p>Bigger they are the harder they fall,so whos interested in catching them?</p>
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		<title>By: Cupid Stunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupid Stunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry &quot;shouldn&#039;t&quot;. 
Will sack the typist when she&#039;s out from under the desk!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry &#8220;shouldn&#8217;t&#8221;.<br />
Will sack the typist when she&#8217;s out from under the desk!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Cupid Stunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupid Stunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No surprises there then, Toyota should get anymore criticism than others for losing money, it&#039;s happening to most large manufacturers. TATA have been boning the UK Gov&#039;ment for handouts again. I did read that Honda are halting car production for two minths in Swindon (UK). GM are asking workers to take a sabaticle on 3rd pay for nine months or lose you job.
I&#039;m Mr average who has never bought new cars but i&#039;m holding off buying anything newer than I have for the foreseeable future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No surprises there then, Toyota should get anymore criticism than others for losing money, it&#8217;s happening to most large manufacturers. TATA have been boning the UK Gov&#8217;ment for handouts again. I did read that Honda are halting car production for two minths in Swindon (UK). GM are asking workers to take a sabaticle on 3rd pay for nine months or lose you job.<br />
I&#8217;m Mr average who has never bought new cars but i&#8217;m holding off buying anything newer than I have for the foreseeable future.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam (aka Mada)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam (aka Mada)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toyota relied heavily on the US new car market like Ford and GM and the US market is in the biggest decline.

VW isn&#039;t feeling the pain as much due to being dominant in Europe and not US new vehicle sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toyota relied heavily on the US new car market like Ford and GM and the US market is in the biggest decline.</p>
<p>VW isn&#8217;t feeling the pain as much due to being dominant in Europe and not US new vehicle sales.</p>
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		<title>By: technofreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>technofreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No loss if sung-wrong disappear...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No loss if sung-wrong disappear&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Frontman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frontman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>realcars Says: 
December 23rd, 2008 at 4:57 pm 
What you mean Toyota is constipated????????
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Wheelnut Says: 
December 23rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm 

Interesting point, I wonder how Mr KRudd would view that?
Maybe as the bulk of the Govco money was for them to investigate building the Hy-Brid Camry here, they&#039;ll be able to say that they investigated it, spent 35mil on market research and decided it wasn&#039;t feasable. As for the state 35mil grant, it&#039;d be a cse of &quot;well we&#039;re still here, it&#039;s not our fault the market downturn has meant we have to put people of instead of hiring which is what you paid for....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>realcars Says:<br />
December 23rd, 2008 at 4:57 pm<br />
What you mean Toyota is constipated????????<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Wheelnut Says:<br />
December 23rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm </p>
<p>Interesting point, I wonder how Mr KRudd would view that?<br />
Maybe as the bulk of the Govco money was for them to investigate building the Hy-Brid Camry here, they&#8217;ll be able to say that they investigated it, spent 35mil on market research and decided it wasn&#8217;t feasable. As for the state 35mil grant, it&#8217;d be a cse of &#8220;well we&#8217;re still here, it&#8217;s not our fault the market downturn has meant we have to put people of instead of hiring which is what you paid for&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: realcars</title>
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		<dc:creator>realcars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No more TuRDs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No more TuRDs?</p>
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