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HSV aiming to import hot Opels

By David Twomey |

There’ll be a little less Holden and more Special Vehicles in the future of Holden Special Vehicles – HSV – if the company’s boss, Phil Harding, has his way.

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Opel’s OPC Corsa is hot

-David Twomey

British-born Mr Harding, who’s been involved with HSV for years in various roles, and is now Managing Director, told CarAdvice at a media briefing yesterday that the company was actively negotiating to import two Opel models to add to its line-up of performance vehicles.

The cars in question are the hot-hatch Opel Corsa VXR and the Opel Performance Centre (OPC) version of the Insignia, which uses a turbocharged V6 engine.

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Even in standard trim the Insignia is a hot look

Mr Harding confirmed that the company was actively negotiating on pricing for both vehicles and he believed they would make an excellent fit with the current range of HSV vehicles.

He said the business case on both cars had been done, the projects had the blessing of parent GM-Holden, and the only issue now was getting the pricing right.

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“We’ve shown an interest recently on the Corsa VXR, but we would be on our own to introduce that into Australia so the business case is pretty demanding.

However, as the second iteration of the VXR treatment in Europe it’s more of a VXR than Astra,” Mr Harding said.

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The move would see HSV move away from strictly Holden based product, a trend it began in March 2006 when Mr Harding, then marketing director, set up the import of the Vauxhall Astra VXR as the HSV Astra VXR, along with the more recently added Nurburgring limited edition version of the Astra.

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Revealing the interest in taking this a step further with the two Opel vehicles Mr Harding said; “We’ve got to the point where we like the product, we’ve understood how much it’s going to cost us (HSV would have to bring the cars into Australia on its own) and we’re now trying to get the right price,”

“The challenge obviously is we’ve got to support the car’s completely, that means spares and servicing, whereas if you’re riding the back of Holden, you only have to do the ‘incrementals’.

“It’s a bigger issue and decision to make; to actually support the whole product as opposed to the equivalent,” Mr Harding said.

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It also means that HSV has to work on different sales volumes to those that were the case with the Astra imports, which needed about 100-150 units to make the project viable.

Mr Harding said that in the case of the Corsa pricing was very critical as it needed to be around the $30,000 mark, which meant the company had to be able to sell 300 vehicles.

He said that with the OPC Insignia, spy pics of this testing at the Nurburgring have alreadyy been shown on CarAdvice, there was a little more leeway as he expected a price point around $55,000 and this meant fewer cars would need to be imported.

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“That price point is a little more relaxed. It’s a really good car, but it should sell for less than a Clubbie (Clubsport R8). Probably around the mid-$50s,” he added.

Mr Harding said that HSV was working with its dealer network to see if there were customers at that price that would give the company the volume to import the vehicle.

He said that finally the success of the business case for either vehicle would not see them necessarily linked and one, or none could succeed.

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Mr Harding reiterated that HSV continually reminded itself of its brand pillars – performance, driver enjoyment and ‘unique’ HSV design – when evaluating which direction it should take with product.

He said any new vehicle had to tick all three boxes and if it didn’t then it wouldn’t wear the HSV badge.


 
  • Wheelnut

    This is one more reason why I think Holden will eventually import Opel Corsa into the country and add it to their line-up.. the Corsa will compete with the Corolla and the barina will become the entry level hatchback

    Because if a HSV Enhanced version of the Opel Corsa proves to be popular [which I expect it will}then why wouldn’t a standard version?

    Then there’s the news that Holdens plans to build a medium sized car at Elizabeth are 99% likely to get the go ahead and will probably build the insignia which will also feature AWD – good news for Holden good news for Australia

    I hope Holden or HSV are also looking at the Opel GT Roadster

  • Joe

    If they could replace the Barina with Corsa, Epica with Insignia, and put the 2.9 litre GM diesel V6 (built by VM Motori) in the Commodore, they’ll be leaps and bounds ahead of where they are now.

  • David

    This is exactly what HSV and Holden need.
    The Corsa and Insignia are both strong contenders to arrive next year.
    We will then have a choice of cheap or quality in all segments of light, small and medium cars from Holden.
    About bloody time Holden.

    GOOD JOB !

  • Wheelnut

    Joe there are reports that the VF Commodore could feature a Turbo-Diesel version of the 2.9 Litre V6 [from the Cadillac CTS] although the new Active Fuel Management System on the V8 s is mroe likely.

    In relation to HSV: they’re also looking at adding an Intercooled Turbo-Diesel to their line up

    [Motor Magazine - Jan 09] says there are a couple of HSV Diesel mules going aroeund at the moment powered by BMW Diesel – 6s and V8s [which is a possibility given that GM signed a deal with BMW to supply certain engines.

    So in the future when you buy a Holden/HSV you could be either a regular Aussie Bogan or a Bavarian Bogan.

  • Paul

    what Holden need to do is to stop importing Korian cars and passing them off as Holden. They are rubbish cars to begin with and Ford (their main competition) are leaps and bounds ahead of them, by sourcing European built cars.

    Get rid of the Barina and replace it with the Corsa.
    Upgrade the Astra when the new Astra is released in 2009
    Get rid of the Epica and replace it with the Insignia.
    Get some nice Diesel engines in the mix.
    Let HSV release the Hotted up versions under their brand name.

    and done! Holden will then finally have a line up of cars that can compete against the Fiesta, Focus and Mondeo.

  • Dlr1

    Wheelnut, i thought the imported Astra was the competitor for the Corolla? But i would say that if HSv imported the VXR corsa it might encourage Holden to follow with the rest of the corsa range if the reviews are positive.

  • Frosty

    It has been known for over 12 months that Holden are going to offer both ultra cheap and Premium cheap cars on every line except the Commodore/Statesman when it came to Passenger cars. So as already mentioned the Insignia will probably be built from the same platform as the Epica except in the case that the Insignia replaces the Epica but is built for the Australian Market in South Korea and the base Corsa will be built in Australia at Elizabeth as per the rumour of a small car being built alongside the Large Commodore. This will follow Fords idea of building the Fiesta hatch and sedan in Thailand and Focus in Australia. I also expect the Mondeo to be built at the Thai plant also due to the free trade agreememnt between the 2 countries making it more financially viable than it currently is. I expect that to happen by 2012 so watch this space.

  • Elitist

    I think this is a good move by Holden.
    They need to phase out all their aussie built blunders and import everything from….
    the magical land of Europe.

    Holden needs to grow up and become a civilized member of the car community.
    I’d even prefer they change the name from Holden to Opel.

  • Wheelnut

    Frosty – Whether or not Holden builds a small car such as the Corsa or a medium sized car such as the Insignia hasn’t been confirmed as yet.

    An article in the Jan 09 issue of Wheels lists various scenarios nad the pros and cons of building a small car compared to that of building a medium sized car

    Astra: is Holdens second biggest sellr behind the VE Commodore range.. which means less pressure tfor a import/export deal. Its built on the Delta platform which is also the basis for the Chevy Cruze, Volt, and Saab.

    Insignia: built on GMs Epsillon platform which is flexible in that it can be built in FWD RWD and AWD variants..

    The VE Assembly line at Elizabeth is one of the most Flexible as they build Sedans Utes Wagons etc in both LHD and RHD – its not a “dedicated” factory [unlike some of GMs plants in the USA which are operating at less than 70%]

    The insignia will be an ideal car to become the new Torana
    with the Direct Injection Twin Turbo Optimised [DITTO] V6
    A Diesel Insignia would compliment the Diesel Commodore Plus the AWD technology from the Insignia could also be transferred over to the Commodore

    Not only that but the “cruze” which uses the Delta Platform is already going to be built in America South Korea Russia and China.

    So why have yet another plant building the same car or a similar car using the same platform? as the Astra could be built at those factories if needed and It would be cheaper for Holden to import them from there

    It makes more sense to build a car which was once or would otherwise be imported from [expensive] Europe.

    Therefore; the Insignia is a more logical viable option

  • Wheelnut

    Elitist – The article is about HSV importing Hot Opels. If they do so it’s most likely that Holden will decide to Import the more standard versions as well – hence the discussion about Corsas Astras and Insignias coming down under

    Then if you happened/bothered to read either Motor or Wheels magazine you would know about Holdens plans to build either a small car like the Corsa/Astra or a medium sized car like the Insignia alongside the VE at Elizabeth.
    [which are 99% likely to get the green light]
    So I don’t think Holden will be going anywhere soon.

    Import everything from Europe…. The reason former Holden CEO; Denny Mooney decided to start importing Daewoos instead of Opels because it was/is too expensive to import cars from Europe

    Current CEO Mark Reuss believes the VE commodore is a world class car and can see a potential market for it in Europe – which could be why one was spotted at the Nurgburgring recently.

    As for Changing their name from Holden to Opel – “I don’t think so Tim”

    When GM took over Holden back in the 1930s the reason they kept the name Holden was to maintain familiarity and the reputation Holden had among Australians…
    They kept the name Opel for exactly rhe same reason in Europe.

  • Neo

    Holden as Aussie as meat pies right?

    i spose its better then the Korian rubbish people drive around in.

    also on the note of owning a Diesel the extra price you pay to buy a Diesel engine and service car your. does not off set IMO the fuel money you save on a petrol car.

  • Wheelnut

    Another car I’d like to see Holden import is the Chevy
    HH-R Delivery then let HSV weave some of their magic on it. They had a couple on the TV Show “Rides” and they let some of Americas Custom workhops modify them … they looked really cool.

    I believe it’s what’s missing not only from Holdens line-up but the Australian market…. the new Sandman

  • Tom

    That little turbo corsa is a stunning car!

    Honestly, look the specs up. It is leaps and bounds ahead of the Polo GTi/ Colt ralliart. They make 140kw in a very small hatchback, it makes the others look anemic in comparison!

  • JAMIE WHINCUP IS A LEGEND

    GM Holden will have to dump daewoo sourced vehicles, oh what a disaster !!!!!!!

    Spam word: faster >>> the better, Holden needs to stop importing Korean crap… reputation goes a long way..

  • http://volvo topdog

    Its funny how times change im reading old wheels mag and theres a article with hsv and it gos on saying that we do V8 cars only we dont do 4s we will leave the small cars to ford fpv .I spose you should never say never so you dont end up with egg on your face.

  • G

    They can’t be serious with that pricing! How are they meant to compete with Ford’s XR4 and XR5 models? Loyal fans will account for some business – most would still probably go for Commodore based performance models. Especially in the current financial climate. Nice cars, but I don’t see them sell in great volumes.

  • Alex

    Neo, I think you’ll find meat pies originally came from Europe :) Quite fitting really.

  • Andrew M

    are they going to replace the opel badges on the steering wheels and dials etc to HSV badges this time??

    I actually think its a bad move to include non australian made products under the HSV umbrella.

    I think it ruins HSV’s image by doing so.

    bring them here to compete against the XR5 etc which is under fords standard name plate, not their performance arm.

    HSV’s have to be tricked by HSV, not a totally imported product
    FPV’s have to be tricked by FPV, not a totally imported product
    I think it ruins what a performance arm is about if they bring shelf ready products from elsewhere

  • Riker

    Finally Holden have realised the appalling mistake they made in attempting to manipulate the aussie market to only drive cheap, relatively unsafe Korean tin cans in the small & medium markets.

    Thankfully HSV will give us Corsa & Insignia go fast cars thus Holden will probably offer the more mundane versions.

    FINALLY…………………

  • Wheelnut

    Andrew M – FPV CEO Rod Barret has said that he is also looking at expanding the FPV range which one would assume includes 4 Cylinder Hot hatches such as the $70k RS Focus. which will be a direct competitor to either the Corsa if not the Astra

    However; as both the Focus will be and the Astra could be Aussie Built which would maintain HSV and FPVs Aussie image.

    Then theres the reports [Motor Jan 09] that HSV are looking at including Diesel V8s – which they could get through GMs supply contract with BMW.. and if that happens Ford really don’t have a chance.

  • Cupid Stunt

    Frosty – What are you on about “So as already mentioned the Insignia will probably be built from the same platform as the Epica except in the case that the Insignia replaces the Epica but is built for the Australian Market”
    None of it make any sense whatsoever.

    Fact: the insignia platform will now be used as a global platform in Europe, the americas, asia and australia. That means those areas will not necessarily get the insignia as it stands, merely the floorpan and running gear. The V6 diesel mentioned is still under development and will appear but not until 2010/11 in europe.

    As for the HSV thing i’m inlcined to agree it dilutes the Aussie HSV but as Holden don’t have any pure Aussie cars except the Commie then its a difficult situation. Can’t justify your existance with 1 product.

  • Mikez

    Great move if this happens! Those cars both look great with nice specs. But ill beleive it when I see it. Cost prohibitive?

  • Erien_88

    It would be great to see the Opel range as it is down under (Rather than have them rebadged as Holdens.), but I’m not sure how would that work in the Australian market, as I am not really familiar with it (Still doing some research as I’m typing this message.).

    If Opel is introduced here, it could be positioned as a premium Euro brand & allow GM Holden to offer more variants under the Opel brand (Hence offer an alternative to customers considering a Renault, Volkswagen, Peugeot and the like.). Would be nice to see cars like the Opel Zafira, Corsa, Insignia, next gen. Astra, OPC range & etc on Aussie roads.

    Or another way is follow what was done in Europe, reintroduce the GM Daewoo-based Holdens as budget-priced Chevrolets and continue to offer the Opel-based cars under the Holden brand.

    Speaking of Korean cars being rubbish, having seen the GM Daewoo Lacetti Premiere (A.K.A. upcoming Chevrolet Cruze/ Holden Viva replacement.) in person, the car is a leap ahead compared to the previous Lacetti.

    The interior layout & quality felt European-like (Remove the Daewoo badge on the horn/ airbag pad and you could mistake the interior for one that belongs to an Opel.).

    The car I had a look at was a range-topper, with keyless entry + start, 17 inch wheels & leather trimmed seats & interior panels (Features which I doubt will make it to the Australian market, seeing that the current Holden Viva is positioned as a budget-priced car.).

    The Korean market gets a 1.6 four cylinder petrol engine (No diesels or higher capacity engines for now.), but export markets will certainly get more choices.

  • WVB

    HSV aside, holden should just import Opels period, hot or otherwise.
    The showroom viruses that are epicas, vivas & barinas are not responding to marketing anti-biotics.

  • Nick

    Another Daewoo !

  • Sean

    Inspiring discussion!

    But…..

    Wheelnut – I like your reasoning, but the Insignia is too close in size to the Commodore for it to be a starter on the Elizabeth line. It would be far better as an import. Given that Holden has almost always ignored marketing its capable mid size offerings (we’ll ignore anything called Apollo and Epica….) pushing the bigger-than-Vectra ‘Sig may eat into Commodore sales.

    The Cruze/Viva will remain as an import, but I’d hazard a guess we may see a name change from Viva. Astra is a real contender for manufacture here as is the next Corsa.

    I don’t think that we will see Opel arrive here as a brand in its own right – too much money to spend when Holden is already committed to Cadillac as the premium brand. I don’t even think we’ll see the Zafira return to this market. We may see a continuation of Denny Mooney’s strategy for Holden to blanket the market with budget (GM-DAT sourced) and premium (Euro/US) sourced vehicles, but I can’t see another new brand introduced to carry this off. Mark Reuss would be mad to abandon the NEW GM-DAT product (Cruze, Beat etc) for this market but is sensible looking further afield.

    If HSV does bring in the ‘Sig and the Corsa, it may pave the way for Holden to bring them in under its own badge as mainstream models.

    Imagine CAs comparison between the ‘Sig and Mondeo diesels, or the Fiesta and Corsa petrol babies……..

  • nix

    I’m with you Sean, the Insignia would be just competing against the VE, they wont sell enough of them to justify producing them locally, look at the Mondeo, nice car, hardly sets the world on fire tho in terms of sales.

    “I don’t think that we will see Opel arrive here as a brand in its own right – too much money to spend when Holden is already committed to Cadillac as the premium brand.”

    GM’s problem is that to often it ends up competing against itself, Insignia Vs VE, Caddy vs Opel.. I don’t like Holden’s range, Viva, Epica, Barina(There is a value arguement for it though)but what is going to change by importing or producing locally, replacement models?

    People do focus on the VE and its declining sales(myself included)but just about all of Holden’s range is taking a beating(in good company tho I agree). Simply put, what is going to change by bringing these MORE expensive imports in?

    Wheelnut, Holden WILL NOT be manufacturing another vehicle in this country, don’t worry about what they say or indicate, because of GM’s current plight this will just not happen. GM is going to receive rescue money but it does not really matter, it will cease to exist as is within 12 months.

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au/19887/hsv-aiming-to-import-hot-opels/#comments Holden Fanatic

    This is the right move from holden there are starting to import the right cars from europe like these ones instead of that rubbish coming in from korea. HSV have made the right choice of trying to hotten up holdens version of these two Cars.

    Go HOLDEN!!!!

  • Andrew M

    Wheelnut,
    you have just gone off on your own tangent again.

    i spoke relating to this article which suggests the Corsa and Insignia will join HSV’s fleet.
    there is no plans to build either of these down under, and the speculation about HSV adopting them means they would ddefinately be selling directly imported vehicles with a badge swap.
    If its not HSV or FPV doing the tinkering, it ruins the brands image/meaning etc

    FPV have said the only way a Focus will make it into the FPV stable is once it manufactured here.

    as mentioned earlier, i too would be interested to see how they went if they brought a select range here as opels.
    perhaps just the OPV range

  • Andrew M

    Holden Fanatic,
    thats where its all wrong.

    it wont be Holden/HSV doin the “hotten up”

    they plan to bring them right off the boat without any HSV “hotten up”.

    to me, that ruins the brand by not “hotten” them up themselves

  • AAA

    They can drop the idea now that petrol is 96c.

  • Wheelnut

    Andrew M go an d grab a copy of the latest Wheels magazine.. In it [on page 14 to be exact] you will find an article titled “Holden to Build Small Car In Oz” which funnily enough is about Holdens Plans to build a small-mediums sized car in Australia.

    It says their plans are extremely close to getting the go ahead. It then mentions the possibility of building either the Astra or the Insignia..

    In relation to HSV looking at Diesels – that article is in the latest issue of Motor magazine.. it mentions the test “mules” with BMWs 3.0 litre Inline 6 cyl Diesel is an option and [hopefully] BMWs 4.4 liter V8 Diesel

    As for importing Opels as Opels [including theGT] I can tell you they’d definitely sell more Opels than Cadillacs…
    The only decent thing about Caddillacs is the Northstar V8 as well as the Blind Spot Alert and the braking Distance Contol System

  • Wheelnut

    If Holden can put forward a case that was good enough to convice GM to give them $1bn to build a completely all new all Australian designed and built Commodore.

    I’m pretty sure they’d be able to put forward a case which is good enough to convince GM to allow them to build a small-medium sized car here.

  • Wheelnut

    I think GM will give Holden the go ahead to build a small car here because unlike a number of “dedicated’ productin lines in GM which are only building one type of car/pick-up in LHD.. Holden is more flexible as they can build Sedans Utes Wagons etc in both LHD and RHD

    GM have released a statement which says they will be Holden on to Holden as part of their reastucturing not only because of Holdens involvement in other future GM Projects but also their engineering expertise and flexibility.

    GM-US might cease to exist.. However; there is nothing stopping them from pulling out of the USA all together that includes both production and management operations and setting up in either Europe and or Australia – then importing all their cars into America.. Who Knows

  • Cupid Stunt

    Wheelnut – I’ve read an interview in a UK diesel car mag with GM’s engine development bod, cannot remember his name, but he stated that yes there is a big V6 diesel in the pipeline and that GM were developing their own diesels instead of being purely reliant on sourcing engines (Fiat). Bearing this in mind I would have thought that the V6 from VM Motori others refer to above is not the deal. Besides that engine is readily available so why is it not being used, ans its a van/truck engine and not refined enough for car use.

  • Cupid Stunt

    Totally agree with Holden should be making a small car in Australia. Sales figures for car seemingly indicate folk are moving away from big donks. Take Toyota would are the Australian market sales leaders, the majority of their sales are smaller cars and smaller engines. Holden really need to move on this. Perhaps the next generation Astra should be made alongside a slightly larger car (Torana) and bin the deawoo presence as its detrimental to sales figures. The Epica has a chevrolet badge here and is regarded as an “also ran” by British press when compared to the Vectra, Mondeo, Passat.

  • The Realist

    What about a HSV Epica? Or HSV Captiva?

  • Wheelnut

    An HSV Epica or Captiva – I don’t think so.

    As they say in the building industry a House is only as good as its foundations – and a Performance/Sports car is only as good as the car on which its based

    Therefore; if they were to release an HSV rnhanced Captiva or Epica.. it would most likely end up being exactly the same as the TRD Aurion.. and that is a complete and utter failure.

  • Andrew M

    Wheelnut,
    We arent even going to get a HSV enhanced Corsa or Insignia to start with.
    What we will get is OPV enhanced Corsa and Insignia with a HSV badge slapped on

    Sorry to harp on about it, but i feel thats abusing the HSV badge

  • Trent

    Ohh get stuffed will ya. If HSV does this ill fall off my rocker, there cant be no 4 cyl bangers under the HSV name which we all know is top of the tree in performance cars, COS THEY GOT THE V8! No 4 banga or even v6 can claim to have good power, its a joke isnt it? Even if they shove a turbo on it, which is just cheating to get power, its still not going to have the power of an aussie V8. No 4cyl car has ever beaten a V8, anywhere in the world, so why would someone buy a HSV 4 cylinder. I am saving up for a VN Clubby, and when i get it, I dont wont it to be devalued just cos now HSV has stupid 4 cyl tin boxes, which is what will happen. Can you imagine some chick checkin me out in a 4cyl HSV and thinkin it cool, uhh uh! Every sheila would be laughin mate! no way, dont do it HSV, it would be suicide, especially with the bad economy.

  • Ag

    Trent, are you taking a piss?! Please don’t tell you are buy POV VN Dunnydore to get the chiks?!

  • Ag

    “tell”= “tell me”
    “buy” = “buying”

    VN, didn’t know that was still cool, even around the centrelink circles?!

  • Trent

    AG, shows what you know mate, you cant even spell first time around. I know the VN isnt as “cool” as the VP or VS, or even those knewer Commo HSV’s, but the thing is its still got the 5L V8 mate! Man.. Power to burn, and damn the V8 pulls the chicks, they hear that rummble, and its all over, thay wont be able to resist me! As i said first time around, V8′s are number one baby, nuthin is as fast on the road than a V8, and never will be. When i get mine im gunna be chucking dowies in gravel mate, outside the punchy train station carpark. Now try and tell me thats not gunna be alright hey! I been dreamin for this for years, maybe next year I will be able to get my very own HSV Clubbie. Will be sweet as.

  • Ag

    The chicks will probably laugh at you and your POV car!! if it rumbles so bad, they will tell you to get it fixed!! If you have to safe up to buy one, logic says you probably won’t have the money to feed it fuel, or to service it!!

    Driving a bomb like that, you are destined to become another statistic wrapped around a pole somewhere!!

  • Trent

    AG – gee thats nice, we all gotta have a dream mate, no need to say that. Sure I dont have much money, but now we got the grants from the goverment, I’m hoping ill still have enough left to live my dream. Join the HSV club mate, join the V8 club. This has gotten way off track so i just wanna say I dont think these 4 banga HSV’s will be a good idea. Slow tin boxes that arnt even V8′s, and they devalue the rest of us who are lucky to have a HSV, king of the road. When you put your blood sweat and tears into something, you dont want the value to drop, cos of something that cant even do dowies.

  • Wheelnut

    Quote [Trent]: “there cant be no 4 cyl bangers under the HSV name which we all know is top of the tree in performance cars”

    you obviously haven’t heard of the HSV [VX-R] Astra Coupe

    Quote [Trent]: No 4cyl car has ever beaten a V8, anywhere in the world, so why would someone buy a HSV 4 cylinder.

    I take it You haven’t watched the GT-P series then; there are a always a group of 4 cylinder production cars leading the race usually Mitsubishi EVOs and Subaru STis followed by a couple of Twin-Turbo BMW 3 Series Coupes

    Quote [Trent]: “No 4 banga or even v6 can claim to have good power, its a joke isnt it? Even if they shove a turbo on it, which is just cheating to get power, its still not going to have the power of an aussie V8.”

    It’s not cheating to use a Turbo. it’s using the existing technology to your advantage. The FPV F6 is ony 5kw less than a GT and the new Direct Injection Twin Turbo Oprimised V6 Engine which could end up in the next Commodore can produce 300Kw+

    If you hate the fact that HSV are planning to add a couple of 4s and 6s to their range – I’d hate yto know what you think about them coming out with an Intercooled Turbo Diesel [Clubbie and Maloo] in the near Future

  • Wheelnut

    Quote [Trent]: As i said first time around, V8’s are number one baby, nuthin is as fast on the road than a V8.

    You got to be kidding … Right? How about – Porsche 911s; Mitsubishi EVOs; Subaru STis; Nissan GT-Rs; Volkswagen Golf GT-Is; BMW M3s; FPV F6s….are all faster than a V8 – and that’s just the start.

  • Trent

    Wheelnut – nah nah nah mate!!! I know there are fast porsches and stuff, buts that cos there V8′s! Still not as quick as a good Aussie V8 though. And those other cars arnt fast, all 4 bangas mate! As for the GTR, I saw one drivin past the punchy train statin the other day, took off fast for a rice burning 4 cyl, but i just couldnt stop thinking, oh man if i had my VN 5L mate, that shit would be toast man! I’d be poppin it through the gears, oh maaan, bumm buuummmmm buuuuuuuuuuuuuuum, he would have been in my dust as i reved out my 5L, i cant wait to get my VN Clubbie mate. My VN Clubbie will be spinnin the wheels in the gravel miin, dont think no rice burner could do that. And the chicks dig the V8′s mate, ooh yer!! You know what i’m talkin about :)

  • Trent

    By the way wheelnut the Ford Falcon Turbo has a bit of grunt, but its cheatin grunt, bloody turbos! even if they do make grunt they blow every time you floor it mate!!! and it still has way less power that the Ford V8′s, which are also pretty good, like the HSV’s, a real mans car!! Way slower than a real V8. Puntin a V8 makes you feel like a man, why waste money on fake turbo’s. V8′s are sick!!

  • Andrew M

    Keep going Trent, you are quite the laugh.

    I still havent figured out why commodore drivers have a Bogan stigma attached to them.
    can anyone help me out???? ha ha ha ha

  • Wheelnut

    You’re right Trent you would be spinnin your wheels in your 5 litre Clubbie – going abasoluely nowhere trying to get traction whilst the GT-R with its AWD etc would be past the next set of traffic lights.

  • Wheelnut

    Ease up Andrew he could be some entertainment for the night !hahaha

    Remind me again how much grunt does a VN 308 have ? Fullyschick maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate!

    I thought chicks of today {in your age group,12}went for ricers ?

    You should be ashamed of yourself thinking of treating a great Australian collectable Muscle car like that!

  • Wheelnut

    Quote[Trent]: Wheelnut – nah nah nah mate!!! I know there are fast porsches and stuff, buts that cos there V8’s!

    The only V8 Porsche make is the Porsche Cayenne Toorak Tractor – and even then its 90% VW Touareg
    Whereas the Regular Porsches such as the Carrera p11s use “boxer” inline 6 cylinder engines and yes some have Turbos..

  • Andrew M

    wheelnut,
    i wasnt being sarcastic,
    i honestly found Trents comments quite funny and entertaining.

    Hey Trent,
    Maybe i could take you on with my Hyundai Excell.
    its got a fully sick bolt on exhaust from autobarn.
    its an automatic too, so once i turn overdrive off, you wont stand a chance.
    its soooo freaking quick it spins the rear wheels too!!!!

  • Bavarian Missile ( . ) ( . )

    It was me Andrew ,I know it was you being sarcastic !

    Ill go the home boy………….bring it on tampon!

    hahahaha .

  • Andrew M

    yeah right-o Dingo……..

  • Wheelnut

    Trent – your beloved VN Clubbie won’t be devalued because HSV have made/sold both V6 and 4 cylinder cars wearing the HSV badge like the VT XU-6 or the current VXR Astra.

    The main thing that will de-vealue the VN Clubbie is the fact that there are so many other VN Clubbie replicas with similar HSV bodykits being driven by people like you who want a $30-40K Aussie performance Car like a Clubbie but are on a $3-4k budget.

    Remember parts of the HSV VN Bodykit are interchangeable with VP VR and VS Commodores [and vice versa]

  • MisterTwo

    (Quote Trent) “Nothing as powerful as an Aussie V8″. You are obviously forgetting the Euro V8′s with less capacity but more power. You are forgetting V10′s, V12′s and V16′s (Veyron), and technically there is no such thing as an Aussie V8 as the Holden engines come from Chevrolet (USA) and the Ford BOSS engines come from the States.

  • Escort_Ghia

    my god this trent guy gives fanboys a bad name.

    Trent you do realise that the VN Clubsport had about the same power as a base falcon has today right how the hell do you expect to beat a GTR with that when the old EB XR6 was almost quicker ?.

  • Trent

    ooooh ooh steady on fellas. Doesnt matter anyway, got me V8 finally with the govy handouts, couldnt afford the VN Clubbie anyway. Got a sick as VK with a 308 mate. Does sicko burnouts! Was out side punchy station doin dowies in the gravel mate, dust all over the place, chicks checkin me out. Might not be the fastest car on the roads like the new Aussie V8′s, but still faster than any ricer 4 cyl cars! ahhh sick ayy. merry xmas everybody.

  • Escort_Ghia

    trent i have a V8 calais 5.0L dule fule and i can tell you my 2.0L OHC 4 cylnder escort destroys it and mate and car can do donuts on gravle

  • Trent

    bloody had the car for a few hours, and I got yellow stickered already. doing max dowies in the gravel mate and cops pull, wtf?! say my cars not roadworthy, get stuffed, its got a few different colored panel sure, but they are all stuck on the car mostly, so whats the problem. and there is not too much rust. now i have to blow the last of my govy handouts on fines, and i dont have enough to fix it like they want it. so my investment is now gone, bloody great christmas mate, you think they would be a bit nicer. and escrot ghia, your v8 calais (you must be rich mate!) must be broken if it cant beat a 4 cyclinder. it probably has 4 broken silinders, making it like the escort. if i had an V8 calais, ohh maan, i would be doin max dowies in it right now in front of chicks and stuff hey.

  • Trent

    i reckon those cops were just jelous, that why they did it. they knew if i had of taken off, i would have left there little V6 commo in the dust! i woulda been poppin through the gear, buuum buuuuuuum booooooooormm, go trent go trent! shoulda done it hey, woulda been sweet as hey, sweet as! hoooh maaate!

  • Escort_Ghia

    its a vk calais and there lucky to have 140kw and no the cops v6 commodore would destroye your vk the old 5.0L are slow in standaerd for compared to todays base cars even the XR5 turbo foucuse would leave you in the dust.

    as for my vk’s v8 begine brock its not when its up against a 203 hp car that way just over 900kg it has no chance

  • Wheelnut

    Trent – unless your 5 Litre VK is Formula Blue with a SS Group A sticker on the front 1/4 panels or an HDT sticker on the back; HDT “Letterbox” grille; 16 inch Irmscher wheels [and Bridgesyone Potenzas].. I don’t think its an investment – it cant be if you were able to buy it with the Govt Christmas Bonus

  • Cupid Stunt

    Trent, you’re pure entertainment fodder.
    Threads about HSV using decent euro tin with little engines and puffing wastegate turbos smacking a HSV badge here and there then flogging it at a premium.

  • Wheelnut

    Adding another baby 4 cylinder car to HSVs line up makes sense. Because its one way of introducing more people to the brand

    For Example: If they start off in an “HSV” Corsa and they like driving it; in a couple of years they might then trade it in on a “HSV” Astra then could move up to a “real” HSV in the form of a Maloo or Clubbie – where they can choose from a regular V8 [be it a 5 6 or 7 litre]or even a Turbo Diesel.

  • Duck

    Wheelnut the Corsa is the equivalent to the Barina, so it would compete against the likes of the Yaris, not the Corolla.

    I’m all for it! I hope they listen to Phil Harding!

    FPV’s got nothing to compete against them!…………………… Yet!

  • BK

    hey trent my 2008 Giant montain bike can easily out run yu VK 5 litre. My 24 speed shimano will blow yu 3 speed tranny off anytime.

  • http://www.trustport.com.au nonchalant

    This is great news. We need to diversify and offer a greater range of vehicles.

    Now we just need access to the the supercharged V8 Vauxhall (Holden) that is readily available in Britain.

  • Christian

    They bring the Opel Corsa VXR.. I’ll be getting rid of the Barina XC for that.. definately. hah