Comments on: HSV W427 – 200 vehicle build cap

By: Wheelnut

Wheelnut — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:03:43 +0000

Quote [Pablo = from the Topic to do with TRDs being axed]

I can’t imagine HSV not building 427 of the W427 model due to their customers telling them they want exclusivity.
Car Advice reported back in July that they will build less than 427 “if there is an unlikely lack of demand.”
Times are tough & HSV have realised if they keep building these things they will eventually have to discount them to get them shifted – not something that will be done on a collectable car.

Pablo – that is the situation at the moment yes times are aboit tough and sales are down across the board.
However; Unlike TRD which is ceasing production of their cars HSV will continue.

Therefore; if things pick up they will be able to re-introduce the W-427 and make the remaining 227 cars

Anyway in the past car companies/dealers have done various things including reduce prices inorder to shift slow moving stock.. and in a number of ases those cars have become classic collectables – the XC Cobra for example.

Unfortunatley though its Highly unlikely the TRD will become a Collectable held in the same esteem as the Cobra

By: Alex

Alex — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:56:34 +0000

Yes BC, I do know there are lot of Mercedes-Benz’ as taxis in Europe, but they are not coupes, and they are certainly not CLK500s.
I don’t think this will ever be more valuable than it is new. Apart from anything, it would take fifty years to be valuable and I don’t think petrol will be available for cars by then, and if it is, it will probably be rationed to amounts too small to ever let this car stretch it’s legs. Not to mention the fact that $155,000 isn’t that much money and they can’t shift 427 new ones, what makes anybody think they will be able to shift old “classics” at say, $300,000? $400,000? in another forty or fifty years? And of course from time passing and money changing, it would have to be more like $1,000,000 by then and I don’t think anybody would pay that and rightly so – it’s a Holden!

By: JAMIE WHINCUP IS A LEGEND

JAMIE WHINCUP IS A LEGEND — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:31:34 +0000

427 recalls and trips back to the dealership, this is an overpriced COMMON BOMBODORE…

By: Wheelnut

Wheelnut — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:45:19 +0000

Schah – I know but Victors 57 Chev is probably one of Australias most well known dragsters. His son Ben Bray has a Holden Ute with a 2500hp V8 in it but it ain’t a Holden V8 – I think its a Keith Black “Special”

By: Wheelnut

Wheelnut — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:41:58 +0000

To all Holden/HSV fans – An article in the Jan09 issue of Motor says HSV are looking at adding intercooled Turbo Diesel to their line up.

At the moment there are a couple of “mules” driving around powered by a 3.0 litre inline 6 cylinder diesel from BMW.. The other option though is BMWs 4.4 litre V8 diesel which produces more power than the W427

Which means if the plan goes ahead you could be either an Aussie Bogan or a Bavarian Bogan.

By: realcars

realcars — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:25:30 +0000

I agree this will be a collectible but will take a while to appreciate beyond the asking price.

Nice car but probably overpriced as are the other cars mentioned.

is-f LOL.

By: BC

BC — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:36:31 +0000

LOL@Kids. I currently drive a White 40th Anniversary VE GTS and am picking up a W427 on the 5th of Jan. Care to share any more words of wisdom with the viewers.

By: The Realist

The Realist — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:06:55 +0000

Wheelnut Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 11:17 am
“Inorder to keep the price of their cars relatively competitive with other Luxury Performance Sports Sedans manufacturers including HSV base their cars on a tried and tested car such as the Commodore and then simply make a range of enhancments and improvements”

I wouldn’t call the W427 luxury mate – a $50K Accord hs more luxury appointments. Problem is for a $155K car the W427 is a vehicle with features comparable to a $40K car, not $150K.

By: Racer

Racer — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:32:27 +0000

LOL@kids you must be psycic, how would you know who owns what on this forum. Whats next weeks lotto numbers???

By: schah7

schah7 — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:03:13 +0000

Wheelnut “that” 57 Chev Drag Car of Victor Bray
runs a Chrysler v8 not a Super Chev v8

By: LOL@kids

LOL@kids — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:24:21 +0000

A CarAdvice forum turning into a childish slanging match? Who would have guessed.

Don’t cry kiddies, none of you even own a car anything like this.

W427 v’s GT-R?

None of you will every own either… so why compare?

Oh, and I hear Nissan have removed the launch control cause they are sick of replacing dead gearboxes at US30k a pop.

By: Escort_Ghia

Escort_Ghia — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:52:37 +0000

BC and AKP grow up so i missed out on the 1 wow.

As for the VE SSV greate car but i would rather be seen in the escort becouse it is already a consider a classic something your VE SSV will never be.

By: Wheelnut

Wheelnut — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:46:16 +0000

Its not just Holden Fans that belive the W-427 will become a “Classic Collectable” in the Future – several Motoring Journalists say it will too.. Journalists who have driven more [performance] cars than you or I let alone most Holden fans ever will.

Inorder to be considered a classic a car doesn’t necessarily have to have achieved a crushing victory on the track.. it can also be considered a classic because of its sheer performance; its design [the way it looks], its technological or engineering brilliance etc, or because it set a particular benchmark..

Which the The W-427 did as its the fastest production car ever built in Australia.. Therefore; it qualifies

By: AKP

AKP — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:36:25 +0000

Yeah, i hear they are as quick as a top fueler, and more comfortable too !!

By: BC

BC — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:34:13 +0000

let’s get back to talking about the escort!

By: Ivan

Ivan — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:25:22 +0000

The problem with this car is that Holden/holden fans say that this will be a classic (thus the high price).

Correct me if i’m wrong, but isn’t a classic car called “classic” if it has acheived something in its lifetime? Something like crushing the competition in the track (touring car), an icon that would pulverise in the look and comfort department, etc etc….

I don’t see anything like that relating to the W427. All it is is a limited edition, and that’s not worth $155k if it doesn’t achieve something special that the competitor ($155k or above) cannot achieve.

I believe that the R35 GT-R “SHOULD” have been a limited edition…now that car has achieved something….and would be a car to be remembered as the supercar killer.

By: Devil's Advocate

Devil's Advocate — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:57:05 +0000

The ‘M’ cars Wheelnut are built on a different line etc from the normal cooking 3 series. In fact if you do your research ‘M’ division make more modifications to the donor car than HSV do to theirs. I am not taking away from what HSV do as they do a good job with the base car, but they hardly change the base structure of a Commodore as much as what BMW do for the M3. Sure HSV fit wilder guards and the extremely good MRC shock absorbers, but they still use the same suspension mounting points etc. They just re-tune it to suit their application. The BMW M3 on the other hand has completely different suspension mounting points/arms/geometries than the cooking 3. There are also many more changes under the skin. It may look like a beefed up 3 series coupe, but underneath the skin it is a completely different car. As good as what it is, the W427 is still a $35,000 Commodore underneath with some well sorted add-ons. I am sure the W427 is an excellent car that has some advantage over some of the Euros, but at the end of the day, it is STILL a $155k Commodore with the cabin plastics etc that go with a $35k fleet car (however a lot of the BMW interior plastics these days aren’t much better!!!) By the way, I am not a Holden, Ford or Toyota fan. They all make good and bad cars!!! ;-)

By: Escort_Ghia

Escort_Ghia — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:56:07 +0000

yes i ment 14.38

By: Escort_Ghia

Escort_Ghia — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:55:17 +0000

climate control, power steering, elec seats, and even intermitant wipers are unessasery in a car that gets driven on weekends i drive a dule fule VK Calais 5.0L everyday.

As for power steering if you have every driven an escort you would know they don’t need power steering there like a gokart to drive and no 4.38 is not a typo a few mods on the 2.0L OHC engine which has 70KW, 93BHP standared my pumps out 151kw or 203bhp and ways just over 900kg make it very quick.

By: Wheelnut

Wheelnut — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:48:46 +0000

Escort Ghia: with a 1/4 mile time of 4.38… If I was you I’d have another look at your car again … That’s not an Escort youve got thats Victor Brays Top Fuel Door Slammer 57 Chev you’ve got in your garage

Because the only way an Escort could reach anywhere near that time is with wind assistance of over $100Km/h