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		<title>By: h0tfuzz</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19692/the-mystery-traffic-device/comment-page-1/#comment-117898</link>
		<dc:creator>h0tfuzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If these cameras are operating in violation to their operating manuals then i don&#039;t see anything wrong with every motorist using fake number plates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If these cameras are operating in violation to their operating manuals then i don&#8217;t see anything wrong with every motorist using fake number plates.</p>
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		<title>By: ross</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19692/the-mystery-traffic-device/comment-page-1/#comment-110540</link>
		<dc:creator>ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ joe

its nto about he wheel base they measure the time it takes for ur front(or even rear) wheels to go over both lines</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ joe</p>
<p>its nto about he wheel base they measure the time it takes for ur front(or even rear) wheels to go over both lines</p>
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		<title>By: Ken from the NT</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19692/the-mystery-traffic-device/comment-page-1/#comment-106263</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken from the NT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is sounds like revenue raising taking precedence over road safety.  The Northern Territory has introduced reduced speed limits in the name of &quot;safety&quot; while our road toll is now higher than ever! 

These hidden speed cameras do not stop or prevent speeding.  Logic dictates that if speeding is indeed dangerous, then stopping and preventing speeding must be the absolute first priority, NOT issuing fines! And to do that, we need highly-visible Police-presence that can deter and stop the offenders. At the very least, these devices should be blatently obvious and signposted, so as to discourage drivers from speeding. Hidden speed cameras DO NOT deter speeding and absolutely do not stop the offender from continuing to speed.

A day will come when a speeder is caught on a speed camera, yet allowed to continued at speed and plow into a crowd or a school.  The fact that a speed camera may catch a speeder but not stop one, may open the government to a law-suite/class-action suite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is sounds like revenue raising taking precedence over road safety.  The Northern Territory has introduced reduced speed limits in the name of &#8220;safety&#8221; while our road toll is now higher than ever! </p>
<p>These hidden speed cameras do not stop or prevent speeding.  Logic dictates that if speeding is indeed dangerous, then stopping and preventing speeding must be the absolute first priority, NOT issuing fines! And to do that, we need highly-visible Police-presence that can deter and stop the offenders. At the very least, these devices should be blatently obvious and signposted, so as to discourage drivers from speeding. Hidden speed cameras DO NOT deter speeding and absolutely do not stop the offender from continuing to speed.</p>
<p>A day will come when a speeder is caught on a speed camera, yet allowed to continued at speed and plow into a crowd or a school.  The fact that a speed camera may catch a speeder but not stop one, may open the government to a law-suite/class-action suite.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19692/the-mystery-traffic-device/comment-page-1/#comment-106219</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 06:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt it would be an actual speed camera. It couldn&#039;t possibly be accurate enough with the differences in wheelbases between cars. How could it give an accurate reading on both a small two door hatch and a station wagon, let alone trucks, vehicles towing a trailer, motorbikes etc.

On the topic of speed cameras though, as with most (if not all, or at least near enough to all) I find them ridiculous. You can go flying up to them, jump on the brakes when you see the sign, and then get straight back up to speed once you pass it. And even if you do get caught it doesn&#039;t stop anyone from speeding, bar losing your licence.

The same goes for cops hiding behind trees, signs etc. I saw one the other day sitting on an entry ramp to the highway, which happens to have a large wall in front of it. In other words he was literally impossible to see from the highway unless you spend your time looking out the back of your car. Who is that stopping? No one.

These things have a time - school zones - and a place - blackspots. And yet they continue to put them in areas that will raise the most revenue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt it would be an actual speed camera. It couldn&#8217;t possibly be accurate enough with the differences in wheelbases between cars. How could it give an accurate reading on both a small two door hatch and a station wagon, let alone trucks, vehicles towing a trailer, motorbikes etc.</p>
<p>On the topic of speed cameras though, as with most (if not all, or at least near enough to all) I find them ridiculous. You can go flying up to them, jump on the brakes when you see the sign, and then get straight back up to speed once you pass it. And even if you do get caught it doesn&#8217;t stop anyone from speeding, bar losing your licence.</p>
<p>The same goes for cops hiding behind trees, signs etc. I saw one the other day sitting on an entry ramp to the highway, which happens to have a large wall in front of it. In other words he was literally impossible to see from the highway unless you spend your time looking out the back of your car. Who is that stopping? No one.</p>
<p>These things have a time &#8211; school zones &#8211; and a place &#8211; blackspots. And yet they continue to put them in areas that will raise the most revenue.</p>
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		<title>By: ShaunL</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19692/the-mystery-traffic-device/comment-page-1/#comment-106121</link>
		<dc:creator>ShaunL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a traffic counter.  The tubes are hooked up to a gadget that counts traffic. They use two tubes to determine how fast the vehicle is going as well as to help categorise what ran over the tubes.  They work this out but figuring out how many axles went over the counter and at distance apart.  eg normal car two axles, truck is greater etc

I&#039;m guessing the camera is there to validate the counts.  Note that it&#039;s pointing at the back of the cars so that it knows when a vehicle has passed so that it&#039;ll snap a photo.  Then a guy back at the office to checks the photos against what the counter thought was there.

Give the police a break, no one likes to be caught speeding.  They are there to do a job.  If you reckon they&#039;re deliberately out there to get you then you are living one paranoid life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a traffic counter.  The tubes are hooked up to a gadget that counts traffic. They use two tubes to determine how fast the vehicle is going as well as to help categorise what ran over the tubes.  They work this out but figuring out how many axles went over the counter and at distance apart.  eg normal car two axles, truck is greater etc</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing the camera is there to validate the counts.  Note that it&#8217;s pointing at the back of the cars so that it knows when a vehicle has passed so that it&#8217;ll snap a photo.  Then a guy back at the office to checks the photos against what the counter thought was there.</p>
<p>Give the police a break, no one likes to be caught speeding.  They are there to do a job.  If you reckon they&#8217;re deliberately out there to get you then you are living one paranoid life.</p>
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		<title>By: Forza M</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19692/the-mystery-traffic-device/comment-page-1/#comment-106096</link>
		<dc:creator>Forza M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy M = no idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy M = no idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcoz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you have to do is cary a couple of cans of black spray paint, then proceed to spray over the lenses...

lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you have to do is cary a couple of cans of black spray paint, then proceed to spray over the lenses&#8230;</p>
<p>lol</p>
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		<title>By: topdog</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19692/the-mystery-traffic-device/comment-page-1/#comment-105946</link>
		<dc:creator>topdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet if heaps of people in trucks just keep side swipping them thay will stop putting them on the road</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet if heaps of people in trucks just keep side swipping them thay will stop putting them on the road</p>
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		<title>By: Cupid Stunt aka No Name</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19692/the-mystery-traffic-device/comment-page-1/#comment-105944</link>
		<dc:creator>Cupid Stunt aka No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bit cheeky but if you speed you pay the price.

Looks like a water tight box to a level. Mmmm how about filling it with petrol and chucking a match in it. Did I really suggest that, no never.
I&#039;m actually surpised its still there and a passing semi hasn&#039;t tail whipped it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit cheeky but if you speed you pay the price.</p>
<p>Looks like a water tight box to a level. Mmmm how about filling it with petrol and chucking a match in it. Did I really suggest that, no never.<br />
I&#8217;m actually surpised its still there and a passing semi hasn&#8217;t tail whipped it.</p>
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		<title>By: Crouchy</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19692/the-mystery-traffic-device/comment-page-1/#comment-105918</link>
		<dc:creator>Crouchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah good on you frugal one. Did that require a post? I think if they knew what it was, they would tell you.

Please car advice... stop holding out on us! We know you are in on it!  ****sarcasm****</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah good on you frugal one. Did that require a post? I think if they knew what it was, they would tell you.</p>
<p>Please car advice&#8230; stop holding out on us! We know you are in on it!  ****sarcasm****</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalOne</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19692/the-mystery-traffic-device/comment-page-1/#comment-105909</link>
		<dc:creator>FrugalOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please confirm what that is please guys?

Is it or isnt it a speed detector?

Cheers,

F-O</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please confirm what that is please guys?</p>
<p>Is it or isnt it a speed detector?</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>F-O</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19692/the-mystery-traffic-device/comment-page-1/#comment-105907</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a $5 can of black spray paint will help in pissing these little buggers off!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a $5 can of black spray paint will help in pissing these little buggers off!!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19692/the-mystery-traffic-device/comment-page-1/#comment-105906</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^^BMW,
but techniclly speaking they have a sign out to announce themselves.

maybe its too late by the time you see the sign, but techniclly speaking, 99% of the time they are operating to the set rules

Alan,
if the car turning right is left stranded in the intersection when the light turns red, then he/she must have entered a congested intersection in the first place.

never rely on the courtesy of other drivers because it is rarely seen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^^BMW,<br />
but techniclly speaking they have a sign out to announce themselves.</p>
<p>maybe its too late by the time you see the sign, but techniclly speaking, 99% of the time they are operating to the set rules</p>
<p>Alan,<br />
if the car turning right is left stranded in the intersection when the light turns red, then he/she must have entered a congested intersection in the first place.</p>
<p>never rely on the courtesy of other drivers because it is rarely seen</p>
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		<title>By: BMW</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19692/the-mystery-traffic-device/comment-page-1/#comment-105902</link>
		<dc:creator>BMW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^ Yet they hide behind tree&#039;s and other obstacles that make them impossible to notice until you pass them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^ Yet they hide behind tree&#8217;s and other obstacles that make them impossible to notice until you pass them</p>
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		<title>By: EXPi</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19692/the-mystery-traffic-device/comment-page-1/#comment-105885</link>
		<dc:creator>EXPi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Mistertwo is onto something, because if it is a speed camera, it contradict&#039;s government policy:

&quot;&#039;Unsigned&#039; (mobile) cameras

Mobile cameras are not signed, although they are not deliberately hidden. Mobile camera operators are not allowed to disguise the vehicle or their camera in any way.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Mistertwo is onto something, because if it is a speed camera, it contradict&#8217;s government policy:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;Unsigned&#8217; (mobile) cameras</p>
<p>Mobile cameras are not signed, although they are not deliberately hidden. Mobile camera operators are not allowed to disguise the vehicle or their camera in any way.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Reckless1</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19692/the-mystery-traffic-device/comment-page-1/#comment-105864</link>
		<dc:creator>Reckless1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with all these &quot;road safety&quot; revenue raisings is, that they raise revenue only from victimless &quot;crime&quot;.

When you commit a crime where there is a victim, be it  granny bashing, mugging, dangerous driving which kills someone, etc, the punishment is ridiculous - 90% get off scott free.

The system is very wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with all these &#8220;road safety&#8221; revenue raisings is, that they raise revenue only from victimless &#8220;crime&#8221;.</p>
<p>When you commit a crime where there is a victim, be it  granny bashing, mugging, dangerous driving which kills someone, etc, the punishment is ridiculous &#8211; 90% get off scott free.</p>
<p>The system is very wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Westy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Westy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing a large hession bag won&#039;t fix!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing a large hession bag won&#8217;t fix!</p>
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		<title>By: Boggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insufficient !!!!! i beg to differ as would many i am certain.  A lapse of concentration for mere seconds or a simple distraction 3 times in 3 years can cost you your licence job and mortgage and put you and your loved ones in a terrible position... The punishment can and does way outstrip the crime</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insufficient !!!!! i beg to differ as would many i am certain.  A lapse of concentration for mere seconds or a simple distraction 3 times in 3 years can cost you your licence job and mortgage and put you and your loved ones in a terrible position&#8230; The punishment can and does way outstrip the crime</p>
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		<title>By: The Salesman</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19692/the-mystery-traffic-device/comment-page-1/#comment-105857</link>
		<dc:creator>The Salesman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Adelaide they put the camera in a wheelie bin, a bit sneaky. Originally speed cameras were introduced to be used only in areas considered as dangerous or risky. I remember reading the article that said they are purely a tool to encourage people to slow down in high crash zones. I guess they got addicted to the revenue it can raise. Have we actually seen a reduction in road fatality’s? I would like to see the figures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Adelaide they put the camera in a wheelie bin, a bit sneaky. Originally speed cameras were introduced to be used only in areas considered as dangerous or risky. I remember reading the article that said they are purely a tool to encourage people to slow down in high crash zones. I guess they got addicted to the revenue it can raise. Have we actually seen a reduction in road fatality’s? I would like to see the figures.</p>
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		<title>By: acfsambo</title>
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		<dc:creator>acfsambo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the statements about revenue raising, but you can&#039;t complain, especially in NSW where they have to warn you about speed cameras, if you get caught speeding (how can you fight a speeding ticket in NSW when there is ample warning to SLOW DOWN).You are breaking the law so therefore you should be punished, though the current means of punishment are insufficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the statements about revenue raising, but you can&#8217;t complain, especially in NSW where they have to warn you about speed cameras, if you get caught speeding (how can you fight a speeding ticket in NSW when there is ample warning to SLOW DOWN).You are breaking the law so therefore you should be punished, though the current means of punishment are insufficient.</p>
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