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		<title>By: jackson jaguar</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19574/2009-bmw-3-series-revealed/#comment-105961</link>
		<dc:creator>jackson jaguar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is like no differences really, its still butt ugly 
id rather buy a Jaguar X-Type anyday, no offence people
ILY JAGUAR!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is like no differences really, its still butt ugly<br />
id rather buy a Jaguar X-Type anyday, no offence people<br />
ILY JAGUAR!</p>
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		<title>By: Grant D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CB, sorry mate but you clearly have not driven the 320i &amp; the new A4 1.8T otherwise there is no way you&#039;d take the BMW.  Anyway, the new model 3 Series is basically just a facelift because BMW think that the badge will ensure people will keep paying top $$$ for a car that just doesn&#039;t cut it against the competition.

Matty, there&#039;s more to the story than power, what about the A4&#039;s superior build quality, interior trim, better ride &amp; more attractive looks?  In any case, when you are paying circa $54,500 for a BMW 320i you have a right to expect that it will have more get up &amp; go than a Corolla.  And you must be joking about the 320i being the best drivers car compared to the C Class, A4 &amp; IS250, or perhaps you just enjoy being bounced all over the place by it&#039;s unforgiving suspension &amp; run flat tyres while at the same time you are wielding significantly less power than the competition for the same price.

Chucky, I hope you enjoy paying approx $60,000 for your new C200K Elegance &amp; sweating it out on the vinyl seats!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CB, sorry mate but you clearly have not driven the 320i &amp; the new A4 1.8T otherwise there is no way you&#8217;d take the BMW.  Anyway, the new model 3 Series is basically just a facelift because BMW think that the badge will ensure people will keep paying top $$$ for a car that just doesn&#8217;t cut it against the competition.</p>
<p>Matty, there&#8217;s more to the story than power, what about the A4&#8242;s superior build quality, interior trim, better ride &amp; more attractive looks?  In any case, when you are paying circa $54,500 for a BMW 320i you have a right to expect that it will have more get up &amp; go than a Corolla.  And you must be joking about the 320i being the best drivers car compared to the C Class, A4 &amp; IS250, or perhaps you just enjoy being bounced all over the place by it&#8217;s unforgiving suspension &amp; run flat tyres while at the same time you are wielding significantly less power than the competition for the same price.</p>
<p>Chucky, I hope you enjoy paying approx $60,000 for your new C200K Elegance &amp; sweating it out on the vinyl seats!</p>
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		<title>By: Chucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wheelnut Says: 
December 10th, 2008 at 10:29 am

So the only real thing that changes/improves as you make your way through the IS 250 range is the interior but as you make your way through the 3 Series not only do the interior features improve but so to do the engines thereby making a greater differentiation between the models as well as justifying the price differences etc.
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The changes in engine and specs in the 3 series do not come anywhere near justifing the increases in price. The 323i costs $8,700 more than the 320i, yet apart from getting an engine which is comparable to the cheapest C Class, you get a couple of insignificant features that wouldn&#039;t be worth much and which should have been standard in the first place.

I think I&#039;ll pass on that and get a C200 Elegance instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wheelnut Says:<br />
December 10th, 2008 at 10:29 am</p>
<p>So the only real thing that changes/improves as you make your way through the IS 250 range is the interior but as you make your way through the 3 Series not only do the interior features improve but so to do the engines thereby making a greater differentiation between the models as well as justifying the price differences etc.<br />
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<p>The changes in engine and specs in the 3 series do not come anywhere near justifing the increases in price. The 323i costs $8,700 more than the 320i, yet apart from getting an engine which is comparable to the cheapest C Class, you get a couple of insignificant features that wouldn&#8217;t be worth much and which should have been standard in the first place.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll pass on that and get a C200 Elegance instead.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant D Says: 
December 9th, 2008 at 11:14 pm 
&quot;The new Audi A4 is the best car in this class, just read any of the road test and/or comparison reviews. BMW still haven’t done enough with the 320i &amp; it remains underpowered &amp; poor value for money.&quot;

Sorry, I don&#039;t base cars on road tests, I test drive them myself. I&#039;d take a 115kW 200Nm RWD 320i ahead of the 118kW 250Nm FWD Audi any day. BTW the BMW is also 3 years older tha the Audi and stacks up well specifications / options wise.


Trump Says: 
December 10th, 2008 at 12:55 pm 
&quot;the only desirable model here is the 335….pity each of its turbos add about $15k, hardly good value&quot;

Not entirely true - you do have to pay a premium for the great engine however you do get higher spec options in a 335i over a 325i.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant D Says:<br />
December 9th, 2008 at 11:14 pm<br />
&#8220;The new Audi A4 is the best car in this class, just read any of the road test and/or comparison reviews. BMW still haven’t done enough with the 320i &amp; it remains underpowered &amp; poor value for money.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, I don&#8217;t base cars on road tests, I test drive them myself. I&#8217;d take a 115kW 200Nm RWD 320i ahead of the 118kW 250Nm FWD Audi any day. BTW the BMW is also 3 years older tha the Audi and stacks up well specifications / options wise.</p>
<p>Trump Says:<br />
December 10th, 2008 at 12:55 pm<br />
&#8220;the only desirable model here is the 335….pity each of its turbos add about $15k, hardly good value&#8221;</p>
<p>Not entirely true &#8211; you do have to pay a premium for the great engine however you do get higher spec options in a 335i over a 325i.</p>
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		<title>By: Trump</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the only desirable model here is the 335....pity each of its turbos add about $15k, hardly good value</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only desirable model here is the 335&#8230;.pity each of its turbos add about $15k, hardly good value</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only reason the Lexus 250 has the most powerful &quot;standard&quot; engine in its class is because thats all it Has there isn&#039;t an &quot;optional&quot; engine such as a Turbo 4 or a V8

Unlike the BMW 3 series which is available in both   [international award winning] 4 and 6 cylinders and would therefore; make the 3 series more attrractive to a wider market. Because whilst there would be car enthusiasts out there after a luxury &quot;sports&quot; sedan.. there would also be people out there who are after a normal luxury sedan but don&#039;t necessarily want the performance oriented 6. 

However; when you get to the BMW 6 Cylinder it is a more powerful engine and as I said the power to weight ratio of the two cars only increase  BMWs advantage in terms of performance.

So the only real thing that changes/improves as you make your way through the IS 250 range is the interior but as you make your way through the 3 Series not only do the interior features improve but so to do the engines thereby making a greater differentiation between the models as well as justifying the price differences etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason the Lexus 250 has the most powerful &#8220;standard&#8221; engine in its class is because thats all it Has there isn&#8217;t an &#8220;optional&#8221; engine such as a Turbo 4 or a V8</p>
<p>Unlike the BMW 3 series which is available in both   [international award winning] 4 and 6 cylinders and would therefore; make the 3 series more attrractive to a wider market. Because whilst there would be car enthusiasts out there after a luxury &#8220;sports&#8221; sedan.. there would also be people out there who are after a normal luxury sedan but don&#8217;t necessarily want the performance oriented 6. </p>
<p>However; when you get to the BMW 6 Cylinder it is a more powerful engine and as I said the power to weight ratio of the two cars only increase  BMWs advantage in terms of performance.</p>
<p>So the only real thing that changes/improves as you make your way through the IS 250 range is the interior but as you make your way through the 3 Series not only do the interior features improve but so to do the engines thereby making a greater differentiation between the models as well as justifying the price differences etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile ( . ) ( . )</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile ( . ) ( . )</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I be bothered............o what the heck!

Mark you stated classes,would you put a 4 cylinder Camry in the same class as a 6 cyl Falcon..........No of course not you would put the Aurion in,and as far as Lexus supplies the only standard six you were wrong there too.So lets move on !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I be bothered&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;o what the heck!</p>
<p>Mark you stated classes,would you put a 4 cylinder Camry in the same class as a 6 cyl Falcon&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.No of course not you would put the Aurion in,and as far as Lexus supplies the only standard six you were wrong there too.So lets move on !</p>
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		<title>By: Matty B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matty B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant D Says: 
December 9th, 2008 at 11:14 pm 
The new Audi A4 is the best car in this class, just read any of the road test and/or comparison reviews. BMW still haven’t done enough with the 320i &amp; it remains underpowered &amp; poor value for money. As Wheels magazine said recently, “the 320i is a test of BMW’s brand power”. 

When a company has 3 years to develop a car against something currently on the market, it should seem better. If all you want is power, well then go buy a XR6 Turbo or SS Commodore. But having driven the C Class, A4, IS250 and 3 Series back to back, the 3 Series is still the best Drivers car of the lot. And lets face it, none of them are shabby as far as appoitments go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant D Says:<br />
December 9th, 2008 at 11:14 pm<br />
The new Audi A4 is the best car in this class, just read any of the road test and/or comparison reviews. BMW still haven’t done enough with the 320i &amp; it remains underpowered &amp; poor value for money. As Wheels magazine said recently, “the 320i is a test of BMW’s brand power”. </p>
<p>When a company has 3 years to develop a car against something currently on the market, it should seem better. If all you want is power, well then go buy a XR6 Turbo or SS Commodore. But having driven the C Class, A4, IS250 and 3 Series back to back, the 3 Series is still the best Drivers car of the lot. And lets face it, none of them are shabby as far as appoitments go.</p>
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		<title>By: Dlr1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dlr1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote [wheelnut] :I mean most logial people wouldn’t compare a 4 against a 6 or a V8.. or a RWD car against a FWD or AWD car would you? Yes logical people do when the car is the same size, price and aimed at the same market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote [wheelnut] :I mean most logial people wouldn’t compare a 4 against a 6 or a V8.. or a RWD car against a FWD or AWD car would you? Yes logical people do when the car is the same size, price and aimed at the same market.</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark of course engine size comes into class,you cant compare a 4cyl and a 6cyl as the same car! All you are stating is that Lexus dont do a 4cyl in the IS 250............well of course they dont the 250 is for 2.5 litre/ 6cyl!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark of course engine size comes into class,you cant compare a 4cyl and a 6cyl as the same car! All you are stating is that Lexus dont do a 4cyl in the IS 250&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;well of course they dont the 250 is for 2.5 litre/ 6cyl!</p>
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